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2014-01-23 02:26:10 PM

Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.


It's quite a conundrum, but growing up the Bible Belt, I don't recall that many people getting married before 20. Lots of folks got married and get married in their early twenties. And, yes, if you wait until you are past 30 in those places, the pickings are quite slim unless you have very low standards or are willing to take on some damaged goods with someone who has been divorced already.
 
2014-01-23 02:32:22 PM
i43.tinypic.com

Are yew bad mouthin our suthern tradishuns, boy?
 
2014-01-23 02:32:33 PM

Nabb1: You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?



You think that's bad, the last one I went to, the father was holding a .410. A .410! Maybe if rabbits were getting married, you might get by with a popgun like that, but you can hardly wing a reluctant groom with one of those, let alone show him the error of his ways.


If I get married, I will insist on a traditional 12-gauge. And double-barreled, thankyouverymuch!
 
2014-01-23 02:36:35 PM

Nabb1: You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?


You're insane to complain.
 
2014-01-23 02:37:56 PM

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Woot!
My contribution:
The reason the South has produced so many phenomenal writers is the same as Russia's; the prsence of so much human misery.
 
2014-01-23 02:38:26 PM

Nabb1: Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

It's quite a conundrum, but growing up the Bible Belt, I don't recall that many people getting married before 20. Lots of folks got married and get married in their early twenties. And, yes, if you wait until you are past 30 in those places, the pickings are quite slim unless you have very low standards or are willing to take on some damaged goods with someone who has been divorced already.


Women's Median Age at First Marriage By State

1. Idaho: 23.2
2. Utah: 23.3
3. Wyoming: 24.2
4. Arkansas: 24.3
5. Oklahoma: 24.4
6. Kentucky: 24.8
7. West Virginia: 25.0
8. Kansas: 25.0
9. Tennessee: 25.2
10. Texas: 25.2
11. Alaska: 25.2
12. North Dakota: 25.3
13. Alabama: 25.3
14. Iowa: 25.4
15. Nebraska: 25.4
16. Missouri: 25.6
17. Nevada: 25.6
18. South Dakota: 25.6
19. North Carolina: 25.7
20. Montana: 25.7
21. Colorado: 25.7
22. Indiana: 25.7
23. Mississippi: 25.8
24. Arizona: 25.8
25. New Mexico: 25.8
26. Louisiana: 25.9
27. Washington: 25.9
28. Georgia: 25.9
29. Oregon: 26.0
30. Minnesota: 26.3
31. Wisconsin: 26.3
32. Ohio: 26.3
33. Maine: 26.4
34. South Carolina: 26.4
35. Florida: 26.4
36. Michigan: 26.4
37: Virginia: 26.4
38: Puerto Rico: 26.5
39. Delaware: 26.6
40. New Hampshire: 26.8
41. California: 26.8
42. Hawaii: 26.9
43. Vermont: 26.9
44. Illinois: 27.0
45. Pennsylvania: 27.1
46. Maryland: 27.3
47. Connecticut: 27.6
48. New Jersey: 27.7
49. Rhode Island: 28.2
50. New York: 28.4
51. Massachusetts: 28.5
52. District of Columbia: 29.7
 
2014-01-23 02:41:13 PM

Cubicle Jockey: the prsence presence.


As a northener, my writing skills are clearly sub-par.
 
2014-01-23 02:41:32 PM

whither_apophis: Are they factoring in "cute religious chicks who demand a ring first"?

/premarital sex - bad. Divorce - good


i've never, ever meet one of these girls that stuck to this.  Never heard of anyone who married or dated one either. I'm all but certain they are just a myth like unicorns or trickle down economics.

/i have dated a bunch that claimed they were at the start but hormones and nature won out.
 
2014-01-23 02:43:18 PM

neversubmit: 34. South Carolina: 26.4


Woo hoo!  Top half at something!
 
2014-01-23 02:43:53 PM
I don't know about the rest of the low % states, but I believe divorce is handled somewhat differently in Jersey:

s1.reutersmedia.net
 
2014-01-23 02:46:30 PM

Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.


20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.
 
2014-01-23 02:47:52 PM

nocturnal001: Lower pressure to get married means people who don't really want to get married don't feel obligated to do so. Hence lower divorce rates. If I'm not mistaken they also have higher marriage rates as well.  Political snark aside, I'd say this accounts for most of the discrepancy.


In addition, less pressure to get married young is a huge factor.  Divorce rates are significantly higher for people who first marry young versus those who first marry later in life.  At age 18, there is almost a 1 in 2 chance that your marriage will fail within a decade.  At age 25, it drops to a 1 in 4 chance.  At age 35, it below a 1 in 10 chance.
 
2014-01-23 02:49:24 PM
They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.
 
2014-01-23 02:49:56 PM

Nabb1: You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?



I blame MTV.
 
2014-01-23 02:49:57 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Yeah, I think we've pretty much established that voting Democrat eliminates poverty.


Detroit does not approve of your shenanigans but they cant afford a decent rebuttal
 
2014-01-23 02:51:49 PM
"Alabama and Arkansas have the second and third highest divorce rates in the U.S., at 13 per 1000 people per year while New Jersey and Massachusetts, more liberal states, are two of the lowest at 6 and 7 per 1000 people per year."

Divorces per 1,000 people is not the same as looking at divorces per 1,000 marriages. Given blue states have the lowest marriage rates, there is naturally not as many divorces.
 
2014-01-23 02:52:40 PM

Snarfangel: Nabb1: You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?


You think that's bad, the last one I went to, the father was holding a .410. A .410! Maybe if rabbits were getting married, you might get by with a popgun like that, but you can hardly wing a reluctant groom with one of those, let alone show him the error of his ways.


If I get married, I will insist on a traditional 12-gauge. And double-barreled, thankyouverymuch!


Well, I'll be. A .410? Any man a-feared of a .410 sure ain't good enough for one of my little girls, no sir-ee.
 
2014-01-23 02:52:57 PM

thurstonxhowell: Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.


I'm beginning to resemble that remark.

//wonder how many Farkers the above descriptions apply to.
 
2014-01-23 02:55:12 PM

nocturnal001: Lower pressure to get married means people who don't really want to get married don't feel obligated to do so. Hence lower divorce rates. If I'm not mistaken they also have higher marriage rates as well.

Political snark aside, I'd say this accounts for most of the discrepancy.


THIS

Statistics: How do they work?
 
2014-01-23 02:57:19 PM

gopher321: [i43.tinypic.com image 371x388]

Are yew bad mouthin our suthern tradishuns, boy?


In their case, the "South" is South Africa.
 
2014-01-23 02:58:13 PM

give me doughnuts: gopher321: [i43.tinypic.com image 371x388]

Are yew bad mouthin our suthern tradishuns, boy?

In their case, the "South" is South Africa.


Forget it. He's rolling.
 
2014-01-23 02:58:22 PM

OmarBradley: "Alabama and Arkansas have the second and third highest divorce rates in the U.S., at 13 per 1000 people per year while New Jersey and Massachusetts, more liberal states, are two of the lowest at 6 and 7 per 1000 people per year."

Divorces per 1,000 people is not the same as looking at divorces per 1,000 marriages. Given blue states have the lowest marriage rates, there is naturally not as many divorces.


Good point. I was thinking that they dismissed the poverty factor a bit too easily. Just because the authors said they controlled it doesn't mean they did so mathematically. How much of the divorce rate was attributable to income and how much  beyond thatwas attributable to values and such?
 
2014-01-23 02:59:01 PM

Nabb1: Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

It's quite a conundrum, but growing up the Bible Belt, I don't recall that many people getting married before 20. Lots of folks got married and get married in their early twenties. And, yes, if you wait until you are past 30 in those places, the pickings are quite slim unless you have very low standards or are willing to take on some damaged goods with someone who has been divorced already.


I grew up in Massachusetts and moved to East Texas for a job fresh out of college. This was back in the '80s so things might've changed but at the time it was a real culture shock.  Most of the women that I met in the local singles bars were already divorced.  Driving past the High School on any weekend night the parking lot was about half full of cars parked a few spaces away from each other.  Each of which presumably had a pair of local HS kids getting it on in the privacy of their cars, at a location easily seen from the road.

Where I grew up the cops actively patrolled the known locations where couples went to get some, in Texas they just let it go on right in the most obvious spot imaginable.
 
2014-01-23 03:05:56 PM
We told you libtards that allowing the gays to get married would destroy the sanctity of this Holy institution, but did you listen? Now look at what you've caused. A bunch of good, God-fearing Christians are giving up on their marriages, because why bother to spend your life raising a family with the person that you love if two dudes somewhere are just going to have legal buttsecks? The blame for this lands squarely on the shoulders of you so-called "progressives". You've destroyed one of mankind's most honored and cherished traditions. I hope you're proud of yourselves.
 
2014-01-23 03:06:37 PM
Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?
 
2014-01-23 03:07:25 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Yeah, I think we've pretty much established that voting Democrat eliminates poverty.


I'll remember that on my drive home down Malcolm X Ave in SW DC this afternoon.
 
2014-01-23 03:08:08 PM

jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.


Hmm...

www.floatingpath.com
 
2014-01-23 03:08:35 PM
Not surprising. When I lived in Idaho, the SOP for life seemed to be married by 20, divorced by 25 with two kids.
 
2014-01-23 03:10:44 PM
This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise.

IF as implied by the article religious teachings or beliefs are actually counterintuitive to a long lasting marriage and may actually cause divorce, my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place? Divorce in most middle eastern or Muslim dominated societies are almost unheard of. Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce, marriage etc are doctrinalyy very similar to Christianity.
 
2014-01-23 03:11:36 PM

Fade2black: Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.


"Tax and spend" is how the system is supposed to work, as opposed to the republican way popularized under Saint Reagan, "borrow and spend".
Tax to get the money to spend on what is needed rather than borrow on your children's credit card and spend it on your cronies.
Or are you suggesting that the government (federal, state etc) only spend on what YOU think is worthwhile and necessary,
and f*ck everyone else and what they want or need? Because that would be both selfish and stupid, and I just know you're neither of those....

/likes "tax and spend"
//it's logical
 
2014-01-23 03:12:01 PM

whither_apophis: Are they factoring in "cute religious chicks who demand a ring first"?

/premarital sex - bad. Divorce - good


Personally I'm sad I never spent much time with the preachers' daughter who'd demand it up her ass instead.
/had a buddy who I understand grew sick of said girl's shiat
//punz
 
2014-01-23 03:12:04 PM

thurstonxhowell: Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.


Hey!  I resemble that remark!

/grad school followed by being an academic hobo is not conducive to long-term relationships
 
2014-01-23 03:12:05 PM

Cubicle Jockey: doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...

Woot!
My contribution:
The reason the South has produced so many phenomenal writers is the same as Russia's; the prsence of so much human misery.


See also "British Weather"
 
2014-01-23 03:13:52 PM

Molavian: Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?


You know how I know you did not do well in stats class? Divorce rates are taken from the married population. Not those libby libtards living in sin.
 
2014-01-23 03:16:15 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce


Orthodoxy allows for divorce (it's not much different than civil divorce, other than the requirement that "the husband drive his wife away" meaning he has to initiate proceedings).

IIRC, the divorce stats are about on par with America at large if not slightly lower, and I suspect that's more to do with "pre-marriage" classes most rabbis require.

// R' Barry Freundel (a fairly famous rabbi in DC) won't marry couples without a (civil) pre-nup
// if you have a cite, though, I'm all ears
// well, all ears and nose (*zing!*)
 
2014-01-23 03:19:36 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: whither_apophis: Are they factoring in "cute religious chicks who demand a ring first"?

/premarital sex - bad. Divorce - good

Personally I'm sad I never spent much time with the preachers' daughter who'd demand it up her ass instead.


Wait, her mother was a preacher too?

/had a buddy who I understand grew sick of said girl's shiat

You gotta be careful, 'cause there are a lot of bacteria up there.
 
2014-01-23 03:20:14 PM

thurstonxhowell: veedeevadeevoodee: *looks for source*

Ahhh, Berkeley-on-the-Colorado

/ not surprised

Just so you know... that divorce rates are higher in the South is not in dispute. This study merely attempts to figure out why that is. You can dismiss the study all you want, but the fact about divorce rates will remain.


Simple. There is a lot of long-standing tradition in the South leading to a lot of pressure for young folks to get married. If you aren't married a couple years after college, people find that odd. If you are 30 and not married, there is something wrong with you. From the time you are young, the preferred timeline is ingrained in you. The likelihood that anyone would make the same decision at 18 or 25 as they would in their late twenties to early 30s is extremely rare. Of course divorce rates are higher, you are getting married at an early age. If you haven't had a lot of time together before you are married, haven't faced any significant challenges together, and haven't lived together and communicated about your wants/needs in great detail it will most likely fail. When people don't even know themselves or their partner, it will end in disaster.
 
Ant
2014-01-23 03:21:02 PM

yakmans_dad: doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...

What does "bigotry" mean to you?


Is intolerance of people with bigoted views a form of bigotry?
 
2014-01-23 03:24:10 PM

jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.


Cute assumption, but CDC data(warning: PDF) doesn't bear it out. The following states feature rates of birth to unmarried women greater than 45% of all births: DE, FL, GA, LA, MS, NM, SC.

Perhaps not all of those are red states, but none of them are liberal meccas, either. Louisiana and Mississippi are red states that share the dubious distinction of having more than half of all births go to unwed mothers.

Protip: If there is a list of states that are the worst at something, Mississippi is on it. No exceptions.
 
2014-01-23 03:24:36 PM
Also, uneducated people don't make for good framing.
 
2014-01-23 03:25:36 PM

SuperNinjaToad: my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place?


Because women just have to put up with abusive spouses who are a terrible fit.  Female initiated divorce is asking to be killed.  That's what republicans want here, and we aren't gonna let them.
 
Ant
2014-01-23 03:27:52 PM

Dr Dreidel: Orthodoxy allows for divorce (it's not much different than civil divorce, other than the requirement that "the husband drive his wife away" meaning he has to initiate proceedings).


And if he doesn't want to initiate the proceedings, you can always hire some people to 'persuade' him.
 
2014-01-23 03:30:13 PM

SuperNinjaToad: This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise.

IF as implied by the article religious teachings or beliefs are actually counterintuitive to a long lasting marriage and may actually cause divorce, my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place? Divorce in most middle eastern or Muslim dominated societies are almost unheard of. Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce, marriage etc are doctrinalyy very similar to Christianity.


The Southern Baptist denomination is more of an industry than a religion. Putting asses in the seats takes precedence over enforcing dogma, and there's no quicker way to lose a Southern audience than criticizing their way of life.
 
2014-01-23 03:31:07 PM

SuperNinjaToad: This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise


Did you read the study or just the pop journalism summary of it? After you explain that you skimmed a pop journalism summary of a research article and then declared it mathematically inaccurate, let's come back that American arrogance thing.
 
2014-01-23 03:36:02 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: *looks for source*

Ahhh, Berkeley-on-the-Colorado

/ not surprised


So you discard the research not on content, but by source?  Sounds like you're from a red state.
 
2014-01-23 03:36:10 PM

monoski: Molavian: Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?

You know how I know you did not do well in stats class? Divorce rates are taken from the married population. Not those libby libtards living in sin.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-23 03:36:59 PM
Red State girls are sluts!!
 
2014-01-23 03:42:15 PM
Came here looking for HoustonNick saying something stupid.

Leaving disappointed.  :-(
 
2014-01-23 03:42:46 PM

Wendy's Chili: SuperNinjaToad: This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise.

IF as implied by the article religious teachings or beliefs are actually counterintuitive to a long lasting marriage and may actually cause divorce, my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place? Divorce in most middle eastern or Muslim dominated societies are almost unheard of. Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce, marriage etc are doctrinalyy very similar to Christianity.

The Southern Baptist denomination is more of an industry than a religion. Putting asses in the seats takes precedence over enforcing dogma, and there's no quicker way to lose a Southern audience than criticizing their way of life.


which is fine but then why criticize the entire religion as oppose to just the SBC's views on marriage etc?
 
2014-01-23 03:42:57 PM
Because the queers are building landing strips for gay martians?

The deep red states are filled almost border to border with people whose entire outlook on life is based around the idea that all their problems are everybody else's fault. I would imagine it's sort of hard to maintain a lifelong relationship, rushed into marriage or not, when you're terminally incapable of accepting responsibility for yourself, much less the needs of a partner.

You're talking about dickheads that dropped out of school in 10th grade and spent the next decade drinking heavily and throwing the empty beer cans at local college students, yet still honestly believe they're poor and unemployed because some liberals in New York raised taxes on a handful of billionaires. You're asking a hell of a lot from someone like that to commit to a lifelong, two-way partnership with another, equally damaged, human being.
 
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