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(Huffington Post)   Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"? Turns out a shotgun wedding to a teenage babymomma doesn't really set a solid foundation for a lifelong partnership   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 156
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2014-01-23 01:08:01 PM  
See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.
 
2014-01-23 01:13:03 PM  
Massachusetts, the first to legalize gay marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.
 
2014-01-23 01:17:29 PM  
We believe so strongly in the sanctity of traditional marriage that we want to have several of them.
 
2014-01-23 01:24:19 PM  
Are they factoring in "cute religious chicks who demand a ring first"?

/premarital sex - bad. Divorce - good
 
2014-01-23 01:29:12 PM  
To say nothing of the awkwardness of still having to see them at all the family reunions.
 
2014-01-23 01:43:03 PM  
Maybe that unrelenting "everything sucks and our country is dying" negativity has something to do with it?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-01-23 01:49:42 PM  
You know how siblings fight.
 
2014-01-23 01:53:57 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-23 01:57:57 PM  
You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?
 
2014-01-23 01:58:46 PM  
Because them there turtles that those damn yankees get hitched to nowadays can't sign a divorce paper!
 
2014-01-23 01:59:46 PM  

whither_apophis: Are they factoring in "cute, stupid, brain-washed, religious chicks who demand a ring first"?

/premarital sex - bad. Divorce - good


It is funny watching them get divorced.
"My family is SO UPSET."
"You will never find anyone better."
"We'll pray for you!!"

lol
 
2014-01-23 02:00:37 PM  
www.huffingtonpost.com
YOU DON'T SAY!!!
 
2014-01-23 02:02:27 PM  
Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.
 
2014-01-23 02:05:40 PM  

factoryconnection: Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.


let's just be honest about this, red state family values are TERRIBLE

it is so cute when they say they are so much better than us and then prove that by better they mean worse.
fark em
 
2014-01-23 02:06:32 PM  
Why should a gay man stay in a sham marriage when he hates vaginas?
 
2014-01-23 02:06:43 PM  

what_now: Massachusetts, the first to legalize gay marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.


All the people who got married there went back their home state and can't get divorced there.
 
2014-01-23 02:06:54 PM  
Keep on defending that Sanctity of Marriage, red states!
 
2014-01-23 02:07:13 PM  
*looks for source*

Ahhh, Berkeley-on-the-Colorado

/ not surprised
 
2014-01-23 02:07:30 PM  
Staunch family values conservatives in my State put their money where their mouth was and created covenant marriages, which make it much hard to get divorced.  Being such a bastion of conservatism and religiosityiness, couples are jumping to prove to everyone how serious they are about real American family values.  In the ten years from 2000 to 2010, a full 1.00% of all couples getting married have signed up for this.

If I were a cynical person, I would say that moaning of the destruction family values and disposable marriages is a cover for some other concern.
 
2014-01-23 02:07:33 PM  
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/21/3185251/kansas-school-sex- p oster/

oh look!
let's not educate our children about sex!
that will protect them from sex and getting pregnant
 
2014-01-23 02:08:07 PM  
Lower pressure to get married means people who don't really want to get married don't feel obligated to do so. Hence lower divorce rates. If I'm not mistaken they also have higher marriage rates as well.

Political snark aside, I'd say this accounts for most of the discrepancy.
 
2014-01-23 02:08:09 PM  
Oh yeah, well when you're burning in the hellfire of eternal damnation you'll wish you hadn't postponed marriage to get an education, settle into a career, become more responsible, and wait to raise children in a stable home.

You'll rue the day you left Arkansas for Jew York!   Oh you were too good for us.  Well, we didn't want you here anyway!
 
2014-01-23 02:08:48 PM  
Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...
 
2014-01-23 02:08:49 PM  
Hypocrisy,does it work?
 
2014-01-23 02:11:18 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: *looks for source*

Ahhh, Berkeley-on-the-Colorado

/ not surprised


Just so you know... that divorce rates are higher in the South is not in dispute. This study merely attempts to figure out why that is. You can dismiss the study all you want, but the fact about divorce rates will remain.
 
2014-01-23 02:11:33 PM  

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Oh, it began a while ago.
 
2014-01-23 02:11:39 PM  

namatad: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/21/3185251/kansas-school-sex- p oster/

oh look!
let's not educate our children about sex!
that will protect them from sex and getting pregnant


That IS complete bullsh*t!!!

"Talking" is listed twice.

This is an outrage!!!
 
2014-01-23 02:12:24 PM  
What is the impact of blue counties on red states.
 
2014-01-23 02:13:30 PM  
Because anyone who votes Republican in this day and age is either an asshole or an idiot or both and intolerable to be around for any length of time... even to other Republicans.

/here to help
//let sea of tears begin
 
2014-01-23 02:14:15 PM  

factoryconnection: Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.


To be fair, educated people also tend to marry when they're older, and get married at lower rates overall.  Then again, maybe it's good that people take their time to make a (purportedly) lifelong commitment.
 
2014-01-23 02:14:57 PM  

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


I practice both socially acceptable and socially unacceptable bigotry...

So I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2014-01-23 02:15:04 PM  

namatad: factoryconnection: Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.

let's just be honest about this, red state family values are TERRIBLE

it is so cute when they say they are so much better than us and then prove that by better they mean worse.
fark em


Oh totally, like the story I saw about the HS football coach that was married...and had a mistress.  She was totally alright with farking with a married man but aborting their love child? IT'S A SIN AGAINST GAWD~!

Hypocrites, thy party is the GOP.
 
2014-01-23 02:15:25 PM  

Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.


Yeah, I think we've pretty much established that voting Democrat eliminates poverty.
 
2014-01-23 02:15:52 PM  
The red state folks read the good book but the blue state folks tend to pay attention.
 
2014-01-23 02:16:30 PM  

EyeballKid: [www.huffingtonpost.com image 457x512]
YOU DON'T SAY!!!


like mother, like daughter
 
2014-01-23 02:17:02 PM  

Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.


Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.

How about you take your head out of your ass and then we can point out real problems like overall general money woes, or the increased rate of divorce from social media. Or more and more people realizing they don't *need* marriage, or the tax benefits just aren't good enough. Not enough family structure among minorities. Etc.

It's all kinds of things. But do go on and tell me where the meanie republican forced you to sign on the dotted line.
 
2014-01-23 02:17:20 PM  
This just in: Evangelical conservatives are dimwitted mouthbreathers with no self-awareness.
 
2014-01-23 02:18:23 PM  

Rwa2play: namatad: factoryconnection: Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.

let's just be honest about this, red state family values are TERRIBLE

it is so cute when they say they are so much better than us and then prove that by better they mean worse.
fark em

Oh totally, like the story I saw about the HS football coach that was married...and had a mistress.  She was totally alright with farking with a married man but aborting their love child? IT'S A SIN AGAINST GAWD~!

Hypocrites, thy party is the GOP.


Cant she just pray the baby/pregnancy away?
NO WAIT! I bet she was trying to get pregnant so he would get divorced and marry her !!!
 
2014-01-23 02:19:34 PM  

Fade2black: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.


It may not be great, but It sure beats the borrow and spend method that the last few Republican administrations seemed to prefer.
 
2014-01-23 02:20:20 PM  
As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.
 
2014-01-23 02:20:32 PM  

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


What does "bigotry" mean to you?
 
2014-01-23 02:20:57 PM  

Fade2black: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.

How about you take your head out of your ass and then we can point out real problems like overall general money woes, or the increased rate of divorce from social media. Or more and more people realizing they don't *need* marriage, or the tax benefits just aren't good enough. Not enough family structure among minorities. Etc.

It's all kinds of things. But do go on and tell me where the meanie republican forced you to sign on the dotted line.


Yeah, Calmamity. Quit thinking about public policy and all that ivory tower shiat. We got real problems like facebook and minorities!
 
2014-01-23 02:21:24 PM  

namatad: Rwa2play: namatad: factoryconnection: Educated people divorce at markedly lower rates.  Red states have gutted education over the years.  I see a correlation, if not causation.

let's just be honest about this, red state family values are TERRIBLE

it is so cute when they say they are so much better than us and then prove that by better they mean worse.
fark em

Oh totally, like the story I saw about the HS football coach that was married...and had a mistress.  She was totally alright with farking with a married man but aborting their love child? IT'S A SIN AGAINST GAWD~!

Hypocrites, thy party is the GOP.

Cant she just pray the baby/pregnancy away?
NO WAIT! I bet she was trying to get pregnant so he would get divorced and marry her !!!


That was the funny part: the pregnancy was not planned. XD
So you can imagine when people found out about a) her pregnancy and b) who she was boinking...shiat went downhill quickly.
 
2014-01-23 02:21:54 PM  

Fade2black: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.

How about you take your head out of your ass and then we can point out real problems like overall general money woes, or the increased rate of divorce from social media. Or more and more people realizing they don't *need* marriage, or the tax benefits just aren't good enough. Not enough family structure among minorities. Etc.

It's all kinds of things. But do go on and tell me where the meanie republican forced you to sign on the dotted line.


You know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2014-01-23 02:23:26 PM  
Why would you need a solid foundation under a trailer?
 
2014-01-23 02:23:55 PM  

Arkanaut: To be fair, educated people also tend to marry when they're older, and get married at lower rates overall. Then again, maybe it's good that people take their time to make a (purportedly) lifelong commitment.


I agree.  Figuring out the world of today takes more time than the smaller, simpler world of yesteryear.  Throwing a wedding ring and some kids at a 20-year-old nowadays is a vastly greater challenge than in the 1950s.

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Oh, yeah?  Well...

menschenfresser: This just in: Evangelical conservatives are dimwitted mouthbreathers with no self-awareness.


Oh.
 
2014-01-23 02:24:31 PM  
 
2014-01-23 02:24:44 PM  

yakmans_dad: doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...

What does "bigotry" mean to you?


I believe this interpretation of "bigotry" is akin to the interpretation of the word "unfair," as often voiced by the central figure in every episode of MTV's "My Super Sweet 16," i.e., "UH! I WANTED THIS YEAR'S PORSCHE 911 BUT I GOT LAST YEAR'S?!!! MOM, DAD, THAT IS SO UNFAIR!!!!!"
 
2014-01-23 02:25:04 PM  

Fubini: The red state folks read the good book but the blue state folks tend to pay attention.


A good nine-tenths of the time, they don't even read the farker. They pay megabucks to be told by charlatans what they want to think is in the book and quick tips for denial and overcoming cognitive dissonance.
 
2014-01-23 02:26:02 PM  
It's not just money problems it's the inability to deal with reality.

Who could have guessed that trying to replace reality with fantasy could lead to trouble?
 
2014-01-23 02:26:10 PM  

Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.


It's quite a conundrum, but growing up the Bible Belt, I don't recall that many people getting married before 20. Lots of folks got married and get married in their early twenties. And, yes, if you wait until you are past 30 in those places, the pickings are quite slim unless you have very low standards or are willing to take on some damaged goods with someone who has been divorced already.
 
2014-01-23 02:32:22 PM  
i43.tinypic.com

Are yew bad mouthin our suthern tradishuns, boy?
 
2014-01-23 02:32:33 PM  

Nabb1: You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?



You think that's bad, the last one I went to, the father was holding a .410. A .410! Maybe if rabbits were getting married, you might get by with a popgun like that, but you can hardly wing a reluctant groom with one of those, let alone show him the error of his ways.


If I get married, I will insist on a traditional 12-gauge. And double-barreled, thankyouverymuch!
 
2014-01-23 02:36:35 PM  

Nabb1: You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?


You're insane to complain.
 
2014-01-23 02:37:56 PM  

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Woot!
My contribution:
The reason the South has produced so many phenomenal writers is the same as Russia's; the prsence of so much human misery.
 
2014-01-23 02:38:26 PM  

Nabb1: Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

It's quite a conundrum, but growing up the Bible Belt, I don't recall that many people getting married before 20. Lots of folks got married and get married in their early twenties. And, yes, if you wait until you are past 30 in those places, the pickings are quite slim unless you have very low standards or are willing to take on some damaged goods with someone who has been divorced already.


Women's Median Age at First Marriage By State

1. Idaho: 23.2
2. Utah: 23.3
3. Wyoming: 24.2
4. Arkansas: 24.3
5. Oklahoma: 24.4
6. Kentucky: 24.8
7. West Virginia: 25.0
8. Kansas: 25.0
9. Tennessee: 25.2
10. Texas: 25.2
11. Alaska: 25.2
12. North Dakota: 25.3
13. Alabama: 25.3
14. Iowa: 25.4
15. Nebraska: 25.4
16. Missouri: 25.6
17. Nevada: 25.6
18. South Dakota: 25.6
19. North Carolina: 25.7
20. Montana: 25.7
21. Colorado: 25.7
22. Indiana: 25.7
23. Mississippi: 25.8
24. Arizona: 25.8
25. New Mexico: 25.8
26. Louisiana: 25.9
27. Washington: 25.9
28. Georgia: 25.9
29. Oregon: 26.0
30. Minnesota: 26.3
31. Wisconsin: 26.3
32. Ohio: 26.3
33. Maine: 26.4
34. South Carolina: 26.4
35. Florida: 26.4
36. Michigan: 26.4
37: Virginia: 26.4
38: Puerto Rico: 26.5
39. Delaware: 26.6
40. New Hampshire: 26.8
41. California: 26.8
42. Hawaii: 26.9
43. Vermont: 26.9
44. Illinois: 27.0
45. Pennsylvania: 27.1
46. Maryland: 27.3
47. Connecticut: 27.6
48. New Jersey: 27.7
49. Rhode Island: 28.2
50. New York: 28.4
51. Massachusetts: 28.5
52. District of Columbia: 29.7
 
2014-01-23 02:41:13 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: the prsence presence.


As a northener, my writing skills are clearly sub-par.
 
2014-01-23 02:41:32 PM  

whither_apophis: Are they factoring in "cute religious chicks who demand a ring first"?

/premarital sex - bad. Divorce - good


i've never, ever meet one of these girls that stuck to this.  Never heard of anyone who married or dated one either. I'm all but certain they are just a myth like unicorns or trickle down economics.

/i have dated a bunch that claimed they were at the start but hormones and nature won out.
 
2014-01-23 02:43:18 PM  

neversubmit: 34. South Carolina: 26.4


Woo hoo!  Top half at something!
 
2014-01-23 02:43:53 PM  
I don't know about the rest of the low % states, but I believe divorce is handled somewhat differently in Jersey:

s1.reutersmedia.net
 
2014-01-23 02:46:30 PM  

Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.


20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.
 
2014-01-23 02:47:52 PM  

nocturnal001: Lower pressure to get married means people who don't really want to get married don't feel obligated to do so. Hence lower divorce rates. If I'm not mistaken they also have higher marriage rates as well.  Political snark aside, I'd say this accounts for most of the discrepancy.


In addition, less pressure to get married young is a huge factor.  Divorce rates are significantly higher for people who first marry young versus those who first marry later in life.  At age 18, there is almost a 1 in 2 chance that your marriage will fail within a decade.  At age 25, it drops to a 1 in 4 chance.  At age 35, it below a 1 in 10 chance.
 
2014-01-23 02:49:24 PM  
They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.
 
2014-01-23 02:49:56 PM  

Nabb1: You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?



I blame MTV.
 
2014-01-23 02:49:57 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Yeah, I think we've pretty much established that voting Democrat eliminates poverty.


Detroit does not approve of your shenanigans but they cant afford a decent rebuttal
 
2014-01-23 02:51:49 PM  
"Alabama and Arkansas have the second and third highest divorce rates in the U.S., at 13 per 1000 people per year while New Jersey and Massachusetts, more liberal states, are two of the lowest at 6 and 7 per 1000 people per year."

Divorces per 1,000 people is not the same as looking at divorces per 1,000 marriages. Given blue states have the lowest marriage rates, there is naturally not as many divorces.
 
2014-01-23 02:52:40 PM  

Snarfangel: Nabb1: You know, the last shotgun wedding I was at was very disappointing. The bride was not visibly pregnant and she and the groom weren't even kin. What is this world coming to?


You think that's bad, the last one I went to, the father was holding a .410. A .410! Maybe if rabbits were getting married, you might get by with a popgun like that, but you can hardly wing a reluctant groom with one of those, let alone show him the error of his ways.


If I get married, I will insist on a traditional 12-gauge. And double-barreled, thankyouverymuch!


Well, I'll be. A .410? Any man a-feared of a .410 sure ain't good enough for one of my little girls, no sir-ee.
 
2014-01-23 02:52:57 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.


I'm beginning to resemble that remark.

//wonder how many Farkers the above descriptions apply to.
 
2014-01-23 02:55:12 PM  

nocturnal001: Lower pressure to get married means people who don't really want to get married don't feel obligated to do so. Hence lower divorce rates. If I'm not mistaken they also have higher marriage rates as well.

Political snark aside, I'd say this accounts for most of the discrepancy.


THIS

Statistics: How do they work?
 
2014-01-23 02:57:19 PM  

gopher321: [i43.tinypic.com image 371x388]

Are yew bad mouthin our suthern tradishuns, boy?


In their case, the "South" is South Africa.
 
2014-01-23 02:58:13 PM  

give me doughnuts: gopher321: [i43.tinypic.com image 371x388]

Are yew bad mouthin our suthern tradishuns, boy?

In their case, the "South" is South Africa.


Forget it. He's rolling.
 
2014-01-23 02:58:22 PM  

OmarBradley: "Alabama and Arkansas have the second and third highest divorce rates in the U.S., at 13 per 1000 people per year while New Jersey and Massachusetts, more liberal states, are two of the lowest at 6 and 7 per 1000 people per year."

Divorces per 1,000 people is not the same as looking at divorces per 1,000 marriages. Given blue states have the lowest marriage rates, there is naturally not as many divorces.


Good point. I was thinking that they dismissed the poverty factor a bit too easily. Just because the authors said they controlled it doesn't mean they did so mathematically. How much of the divorce rate was attributable to income and how much  beyond thatwas attributable to values and such?
 
2014-01-23 02:59:01 PM  

Nabb1: Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

It's quite a conundrum, but growing up the Bible Belt, I don't recall that many people getting married before 20. Lots of folks got married and get married in their early twenties. And, yes, if you wait until you are past 30 in those places, the pickings are quite slim unless you have very low standards or are willing to take on some damaged goods with someone who has been divorced already.


I grew up in Massachusetts and moved to East Texas for a job fresh out of college. This was back in the '80s so things might've changed but at the time it was a real culture shock.  Most of the women that I met in the local singles bars were already divorced.  Driving past the High School on any weekend night the parking lot was about half full of cars parked a few spaces away from each other.  Each of which presumably had a pair of local HS kids getting it on in the privacy of their cars, at a location easily seen from the road.

Where I grew up the cops actively patrolled the known locations where couples went to get some, in Texas they just let it go on right in the most obvious spot imaginable.
 
2014-01-23 03:05:56 PM  
We told you libtards that allowing the gays to get married would destroy the sanctity of this Holy institution, but did you listen? Now look at what you've caused. A bunch of good, God-fearing Christians are giving up on their marriages, because why bother to spend your life raising a family with the person that you love if two dudes somewhere are just going to have legal buttsecks? The blame for this lands squarely on the shoulders of you so-called "progressives". You've destroyed one of mankind's most honored and cherished traditions. I hope you're proud of yourselves.
 
2014-01-23 03:06:37 PM  
Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?
 
2014-01-23 03:07:25 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Calmamity: See also; poverty brought on by voting for Republicans.

Yeah, I think we've pretty much established that voting Democrat eliminates poverty.


I'll remember that on my drive home down Malcolm X Ave in SW DC this afternoon.
 
2014-01-23 03:08:08 PM  

jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.


Hmm...

www.floatingpath.com
 
2014-01-23 03:08:35 PM  
Not surprising. When I lived in Idaho, the SOP for life seemed to be married by 20, divorced by 25 with two kids.
 
2014-01-23 03:10:44 PM  
This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise.

IF as implied by the article religious teachings or beliefs are actually counterintuitive to a long lasting marriage and may actually cause divorce, my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place? Divorce in most middle eastern or Muslim dominated societies are almost unheard of. Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce, marriage etc are doctrinalyy very similar to Christianity.
 
2014-01-23 03:11:36 PM  

Fade2black: Because a Democrat never voted for a tax and spend increase. Ever.


"Tax and spend" is how the system is supposed to work, as opposed to the republican way popularized under Saint Reagan, "borrow and spend".
Tax to get the money to spend on what is needed rather than borrow on your children's credit card and spend it on your cronies.
Or are you suggesting that the government (federal, state etc) only spend on what YOU think is worthwhile and necessary,
and f*ck everyone else and what they want or need? Because that would be both selfish and stupid, and I just know you're neither of those....

/likes "tax and spend"
//it's logical
 
2014-01-23 03:12:01 PM  

whither_apophis: Are they factoring in "cute religious chicks who demand a ring first"?

/premarital sex - bad. Divorce - good


Personally I'm sad I never spent much time with the preachers' daughter who'd demand it up her ass instead.
/had a buddy who I understand grew sick of said girl's shiat
//punz
 
2014-01-23 03:12:04 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Arkanaut: This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.

20 is too low, but, oh, there's a line. Have you met single people in their mid-30s? The guys either don't want to get married or have somehow gotten to their mid-30s without getting their shiat together in some way. The women are clingy and/or farking nuts. If that doesn't describe them, they've mostly just given up. For the few who have it together and are looking for someone to build a life with, they're seeking a needle in a crazystack, and not the fun crazystack from their 20s, either. This is the "emotional baggage that never goes away" crazy that only comes with age or horrific childhood trauma.


Hey!  I resemble that remark!

/grad school followed by being an academic hobo is not conducive to long-term relationships
 
2014-01-23 03:12:05 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...

Woot!
My contribution:
The reason the South has produced so many phenomenal writers is the same as Russia's; the prsence of so much human misery.


See also "British Weather"
 
2014-01-23 03:13:52 PM  

Molavian: Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?


You know how I know you did not do well in stats class? Divorce rates are taken from the married population. Not those libby libtards living in sin.
 
2014-01-23 03:16:15 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce


Orthodoxy allows for divorce (it's not much different than civil divorce, other than the requirement that "the husband drive his wife away" meaning he has to initiate proceedings).

IIRC, the divorce stats are about on par with America at large if not slightly lower, and I suspect that's more to do with "pre-marriage" classes most rabbis require.

// R' Barry Freundel (a fairly famous rabbi in DC) won't marry couples without a (civil) pre-nup
// if you have a cite, though, I'm all ears
// well, all ears and nose (*zing!*)
 
2014-01-23 03:19:36 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: whither_apophis: Are they factoring in "cute religious chicks who demand a ring first"?

/premarital sex - bad. Divorce - good

Personally I'm sad I never spent much time with the preachers' daughter who'd demand it up her ass instead.


Wait, her mother was a preacher too?

/had a buddy who I understand grew sick of said girl's shiat

You gotta be careful, 'cause there are a lot of bacteria up there.
 
2014-01-23 03:20:14 PM  

thurstonxhowell: veedeevadeevoodee: *looks for source*

Ahhh, Berkeley-on-the-Colorado

/ not surprised

Just so you know... that divorce rates are higher in the South is not in dispute. This study merely attempts to figure out why that is. You can dismiss the study all you want, but the fact about divorce rates will remain.


Simple. There is a lot of long-standing tradition in the South leading to a lot of pressure for young folks to get married. If you aren't married a couple years after college, people find that odd. If you are 30 and not married, there is something wrong with you. From the time you are young, the preferred timeline is ingrained in you. The likelihood that anyone would make the same decision at 18 or 25 as they would in their late twenties to early 30s is extremely rare. Of course divorce rates are higher, you are getting married at an early age. If you haven't had a lot of time together before you are married, haven't faced any significant challenges together, and haven't lived together and communicated about your wants/needs in great detail it will most likely fail. When people don't even know themselves or their partner, it will end in disaster.
 
Ant
2014-01-23 03:21:02 PM  

yakmans_dad: doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...

What does "bigotry" mean to you?


Is intolerance of people with bigoted views a form of bigotry?
 
2014-01-23 03:24:10 PM  

jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.


Cute assumption, but CDC data(warning: PDF) doesn't bear it out. The following states feature rates of birth to unmarried women greater than 45% of all births: DE, FL, GA, LA, MS, NM, SC.

Perhaps not all of those are red states, but none of them are liberal meccas, either. Louisiana and Mississippi are red states that share the dubious distinction of having more than half of all births go to unwed mothers.

Protip: If there is a list of states that are the worst at something, Mississippi is on it. No exceptions.
 
2014-01-23 03:24:36 PM  
Also, uneducated people don't make for good framing.
 
2014-01-23 03:25:36 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place?


Because women just have to put up with abusive spouses who are a terrible fit.  Female initiated divorce is asking to be killed.  That's what republicans want here, and we aren't gonna let them.
 
Ant
2014-01-23 03:27:52 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Orthodoxy allows for divorce (it's not much different than civil divorce, other than the requirement that "the husband drive his wife away" meaning he has to initiate proceedings).


And if he doesn't want to initiate the proceedings, you can always hire some people to 'persuade' him.
 
2014-01-23 03:30:13 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise.

IF as implied by the article religious teachings or beliefs are actually counterintuitive to a long lasting marriage and may actually cause divorce, my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place? Divorce in most middle eastern or Muslim dominated societies are almost unheard of. Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce, marriage etc are doctrinalyy very similar to Christianity.


The Southern Baptist denomination is more of an industry than a religion. Putting asses in the seats takes precedence over enforcing dogma, and there's no quicker way to lose a Southern audience than criticizing their way of life.
 
2014-01-23 03:31:07 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise


Did you read the study or just the pop journalism summary of it? After you explain that you skimmed a pop journalism summary of a research article and then declared it mathematically inaccurate, let's come back that American arrogance thing.
 
2014-01-23 03:36:02 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: *looks for source*

Ahhh, Berkeley-on-the-Colorado

/ not surprised


So you discard the research not on content, but by source?  Sounds like you're from a red state.
 
2014-01-23 03:36:10 PM  

monoski: Molavian: Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?

You know how I know you did not do well in stats class? Divorce rates are taken from the married population. Not those libby libtards living in sin.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-23 03:36:59 PM  
Red State girls are sluts!!
 
2014-01-23 03:42:15 PM  
Came here looking for HoustonNick saying something stupid.

Leaving disappointed.  :-(
 
2014-01-23 03:42:46 PM  

Wendy's Chili: SuperNinjaToad: This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise.

IF as implied by the article religious teachings or beliefs are actually counterintuitive to a long lasting marriage and may actually cause divorce, my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place? Divorce in most middle eastern or Muslim dominated societies are almost unheard of. Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce, marriage etc are doctrinalyy very similar to Christianity.

The Southern Baptist denomination is more of an industry than a religion. Putting asses in the seats takes precedence over enforcing dogma, and there's no quicker way to lose a Southern audience than criticizing their way of life.


which is fine but then why criticize the entire religion as oppose to just the SBC's views on marriage etc?
 
2014-01-23 03:42:57 PM  
Because the queers are building landing strips for gay martians?

The deep red states are filled almost border to border with people whose entire outlook on life is based around the idea that all their problems are everybody else's fault. I would imagine it's sort of hard to maintain a lifelong relationship, rushed into marriage or not, when you're terminally incapable of accepting responsibility for yourself, much less the needs of a partner.

You're talking about dickheads that dropped out of school in 10th grade and spent the next decade drinking heavily and throwing the empty beer cans at local college students, yet still honestly believe they're poor and unemployed because some liberals in New York raised taxes on a handful of billionaires. You're asking a hell of a lot from someone like that to commit to a lifelong, two-way partnership with another, equally damaged, human being.
 
2014-01-23 03:43:04 PM  

nocturnal001: Lower pressure to get married means people who don't really want to get married don't feel obligated to do so. Hence lower divorce rates. If I'm not mistaken they also have higher marriage rates as well.

Political snark aside, I'd say this accounts for most of the discrepancy.



Educated people are MORE likely to get married and LESS likely to divorce.
 
2014-01-23 03:44:54 PM  
 Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

By definition there are more stupid people there. Come on, give me a hard one.
 
2014-01-23 03:46:24 PM  

Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.



At 20 years old, you're still too young and inexperienced to recognized what a good catch is.

How about we change the minimum age of marriage until 25, or at least 21?
 
2014-01-23 03:47:06 PM  

Wendy's Chili: jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.

Hmm...

[www.floatingpath.com image 850x639]


What a polite, thorough and absolute refutation of his point. Well done.
 
2014-01-23 03:50:27 PM  

Wendy's Chili: jaybeezey: They give it a go in red states, more babies born to unwed mothers in blue.

Hmm...

[www.floatingpath.com image 850x639]


You and all your liberal "facts"!
 
2014-01-23 03:51:51 PM  

tom baker's scarf: i've never, ever meet one of these girls that stuck to this.  Never heard of anyone who married or dated one either. I'm all but certain they are just a myth like unicorns or trickle down economics.


I grew up in rural Oklahoma.   I've known more than my fair share of girls/women who "wait until marriage" to have sex, or at least try to.  And I know a couple COUPLES who've waited until marriage to have sex.

I can safely say that abortion is much more frowned up on than divorce in that part of the country.

/ left Oklahoma at 19
// never looked back
/// liberal, pro-choice, slut
 
2014-01-23 03:59:09 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Simple. There is a lot of long-standing tradition in the South leading to a lot of pressure for young folks to get married. If you aren't married a couple years after college, people find that odd. If you are 30 and not married, there is something wrong with you. From the time you are young, the preferred timeline is ingrained in you. The likelihood that anyone would make the same decision at 18 or 25 as they would in their late twenties to early 30s is extremely rare. Of course divorce rates are higher, you are getting married at an early age. If you haven't had a lot of time together before you are married, haven't faced any significant challenges together, and haven't lived together and communicated about your wants/needs in great detail it will most likely fail. When people don't even know themselves or their partner, it will end in disaster.


I have two friends, a married couple living in a famed Red State, who are now approaching their mid-30s and are just now considering having children.  They've been harassed about kids since the day that got married about 10 years ago.  At this point, people just assume that they're infertile.

'Cause, you know, no one in their neck of the woods deliberately waits to have children.
 
2014-01-23 03:59:56 PM  
This thread is so full of political derp I dont even feel guilty for posting this.

i49.photobucket.com

also

img.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-23 04:00:05 PM  
I am constantly amused and irritated at the same time when everyone in my southern family puts on pressure for me and the bafflerette to get married.  There has not been a single successful marriage anywhere in my extended family.  Everyone has been divorced.  About a third of them more than once.  Me and the bafflerette keep on trucking with our sinful relationship that has outlived almost all of their failed marriages.

And yet, they keep trying...
 
2014-01-23 04:02:23 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe that unrelenting "everything sucks and our country is dying" negativity has something to do with it?


social conservatism is largely just projection on a national scale

the problems they point out with the rest of the world are really their own problems they refuse to acknowledge and fix
 
2014-01-23 04:04:43 PM  

Ant: Dr Dreidel: Orthodoxy allows for divorce (it's not much different than civil divorce, other than the requirement that "the husband drive his wife away" meaning he has to initiate proceedings).

And if he doesn't want to initiate the proceedings, you can always hire some people to 'persuade' him.


That's actually the last step.

1. He SHOULD acquiesce to her wishes. IIRC, even a hundred years ago, this was the thinking (the wording of the original text is that "he" must drive "her" away, and there's, sadly, no writing around that); that if she was so unhappy in the marriage, that only an evil person would "chain" her using the marriage.
2. If he doesn't, when she takes the issue to [$authority, usually their pulpit Rabbi], he will lay out the possible consequences for his continued refusal, to wit:
3. He'll be barred from participating in religious observance/ceremony (meaning he can't lead OR participate), up to stopping services mid-word if he walks in.
4. People in the community will be barred from doing business with him until he grants the divorce. Anyone who does business with him will be similarly "excommunicated".
(I may be confusing the order of 3 and 4)
5. A group of "concerned citizens" will attempt to persuade him, either through intimidation, or, sadly, physical violence (though most opinions officially disavow this as a legitimate avenue, they unofficially support it - I heard of one case where a guy in jail for tax fraud wouldn't give his wife a divorce, so "they" told his cellmates that he was a suspected kiddie-diddler. The problem then "worked itself out").

I have known personally of several cases that made it to various stages in the above. Thankfully, all of them are currently divorced from the abusive assholes (some have remarried).

// if you want to be depressed, Google the term "agunah"
// literally "guarded", it refers to a woman whose husband refuses to divorce her, and there have been Herculean efforts to try and un-guard affected women
// the easy solution is to stop believing, but that's one more measure of "control" the abuser takes (driving her away from belief whether she wants to or not)
 
2014-01-23 04:06:27 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: what_now: Massachusetts, the first to legalize gay marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.

All the people who got married there went back their home state and can't get divorced there.


I was going to say something very similar, but I only know two couples from "Mass" that got divorced in another state. I wanted to hold out until I knew one more couple before I correlated that metric.
 
2014-01-23 04:06:54 PM  

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Discrimination based on a persons intelligence is not bigotry.  It's common sense.
 
2014-01-23 04:10:53 PM  
I for one am shocked that attempting to force your own morality onto someone who doesn't want it doesn't have a happier ending. So does the god you believe in not want the teens to get married, or is omnipotence not actually powerful enough to keep them together? Oh wait, I know, it's one of those "mysterious ways" exemptions. Never mind.
 
2014-01-23 04:11:24 PM  

FizixJunkee: How about we change the minimum age of marriage until 25, or being a legal adult to at least 21?


FTFY.

I never understood why our government believes that we're responsible enough at age 18 to sign up for the military so we can go off to die but that we aren't responsible enough to drink a beer on our own.  If you believe that people are that irresponsible at 18, then bump everything up.
 
2014-01-23 04:14:22 PM  

Dinjiin: FizixJunkee: How about we change the minimum age of marriage until 25, or being a legal adult to at least 21?

FTFY.

I never understood why our government believes that we're responsible enough at age 18 to sign up for the military so we can go off to die but that we aren't responsible enough to drink a beer on our own.  If you believe that people are that irresponsible at 18, then bump everything up.


you can buy a gun, but not drink
vote, but not drink
not buy cigarettes ...
get married FFS

pretty zero of our age limited laws make any sense at all
 
2014-01-23 04:15:58 PM  

monoski: Molavian: Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?

You know how I know you did not do well in stats class? Divorce rates are taken from the married population. Not those libby libtards living in sin.


Divorce rates in the study are calculated per 1,000 population.
 
2014-01-23 04:16:12 PM  
It's just a function of their broader moral, intellectual, and physical inferiority.
 
2014-01-23 04:21:23 PM  

namatad: you can buy a gun, but not drink


Booze is more dangerous than guns and requires more responsibility, duh.
 
2014-01-23 04:23:08 PM  
other than texas all the red states have more federal handouts than they bring in with taxes..
 
2014-01-23 04:23:30 PM  
Scotty doesn't know,
That Fionna and me,
Do it in my van every Sunday.

She tells him she's in church,
But she doesn't go,
Still shes on her knees, and...
 
2014-01-23 04:29:40 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Wendy's Chili: SuperNinjaToad: This is a very narrow minded assumption and the 'study' at best reeks of American arrogance not to mention mathematical inaccuracies and projecting a false premise.

IF as implied by the article religious teachings or beliefs are actually counterintuitive to a long lasting marriage and may actually cause divorce, my contention is WHY aren't Muslims divorcing all over the place? Divorce in most middle eastern or Muslim dominated societies are almost unheard of. Same with orthodox Jews etc which when it comes to the subject of divorce, marriage etc are doctrinalyy very similar to Christianity.

The Southern Baptist denomination is more of an industry than a religion. Putting asses in the seats takes precedence over enforcing dogma, and there's no quicker way to lose a Southern audience than criticizing their way of life.

which is fine but then why criticize the entire religion as oppose to just the SBC's views on marriage etc?


The SBC is a cartel of snake oil salesmen who fleece an already impoverished populace of what little money they have. Their failure to crack down on divorce is hardly worth consideration when taken into context.
 
2014-01-23 04:31:01 PM  

tbhouston: other than texas all the red states have more federal handouts than they bring in with taxes..


why did we fight to keep them again??
 
2014-01-23 04:38:07 PM  

Nabb1: give me doughnuts: gopher321: [i43.tinypic.com image 371x388]

Are yew bad mouthin our suthern tradishuns, boy?

In their case, the "South" is South Africa.

Forget it. He's rolling.


What does taking ecstasy have to do with it?
 
2014-01-23 04:42:05 PM  

FizixJunkee: the money is in the banana stand: Simple. There is a lot of long-standing tradition in the South leading to a lot of pressure for young folks to get married. If you aren't married a couple years after college, people find that odd. If you are 30 and not married, there is something wrong with you. From the time you are young, the preferred timeline is ingrained in you. The likelihood that anyone would make the same decision at 18 or 25 as they would in their late twenties to early 30s is extremely rare. Of course divorce rates are higher, you are getting married at an early age. If you haven't had a lot of time together before you are married, haven't faced any significant challenges together, and haven't lived together and communicated about your wants/needs in great detail it will most likely fail. When people don't even know themselves or their partner, it will end in disaster.

I have two friends, a married couple living in a famed Red State, who are now approaching their mid-30s and are just now considering having children.  They've been harassed about kids since the day that got married about 10 years ago.  At this point, people just assume that they're infertile.

'Cause, you know, no one in their neck of the woods deliberately waits to have children.


It's all a part of the "traditional" life equation.  The prohibition on any premarital sex, masturbation, or any sexual outlet causes a built-in pressure in your teens to get married as earliest as legally possible, and the following prohibition on sex being for anything but procreation means you're typically pumping out kids within 9 months of the honeymoon.  And then, the traditional gender role pressure combined with a mindset that marriage isn't supposed to be enjoyable, and "you need to work it out, for the kids" sets up a self-perpetuating co-dependent situation where a combination of responsibility, guilt, and a taboo on divorce forces people to settle.  So they slot themselves into a generic cookie-cutter career path while somehow muddling through a generally unsatisfying and uninteresting life, choosing to instead invest hope and live for the sake of their kids and the promise of a glorious afterlife, where the cycle begins anew.

It's a great little setup for societal stability, but it breeds stagnation and can't keep you competitive over time.  It also makes you easy to control by elite interests in both public and private spheres.  Sure, it probably works for a generation or two while the rest of the world is still a smoking hole in the ground from the last two world wars, giving you a tempting way to assume your current place in the Number 1 spot is due to some kind innate superiority, Godly grace, or culture exceptionalism that always has been and always will be.  But then you wake up 60 years later and realize the rest of the world is catching up, your social and economic mobility is through the floor, all your innovative economic centers have fled to the "heathen" blue centers, you're running tremendous deficits, and the latest generations are following the money and happiness away from you.  Which you can't possibly accept as your own failure, so you need to desperately rationalize as someone else's fault.

The good news is, it gives you a neat way to then project your issues on everyone else, and say the reason your little world is falling apart, and the reason it's no longer competitive, is because of a loss of traditional values and economic sense, or because of (insert long list of conspiracies out to get you).  But that's confusing the cause with the effect.   Of course, you can always pull the predictable political card and throw up a siege/victim mentality, convincing your traditional constituency that they're not at fault, but rather under attack by the forces of evil, and they need to claw back the (retroactively re-imagined) idyllic existence they once had by voting for you.  Which works for a time, until your constituency loses the demographic race, can no longer attain a majority even at 100% turnout, and the whole thing implodes.
 
2014-01-23 04:42:47 PM  

rkettens: Discrimination based on a persons intelligence is not bigotry. It's common sense.


Oh, you called it common sense, I'm going to just jump in here and say you're wrong.
 
2014-01-23 04:48:52 PM  
I bet it's just the years and years of hypocrisy and moral contortions regarding race.
 
2014-01-23 04:53:05 PM  

FizixJunkee: tom baker's scarf: i've never, ever meet one of these girls that stuck to this.  Never heard of anyone who married or dated one either. I'm all but certain they are just a myth like unicorns or trickle down economics.

I grew up in rural Oklahoma.   I've known more than my fair share of girls/women who "wait until marriage" to have sex, or at least try to.  And I know a couple COUPLES who've waited until marriage to have sex.

I can safely say that abortion is much more frowned up on than divorce in that part of the country.

/ left Oklahoma at 19
// never looked back
/// liberal, pro-choice, slut


 glad you got out.  i grew up in Ruralrednecktown, USA too.  If it wasn't for family around there I'd never have gone back. i don't stay long when i do.

 like you wrote they tried to wait until marriage.  i tried to get the the gym this morning, but i didn't try very hard.  I've know of one couple that waited to have sex with each other until marriage but both of them had slept with other people. Surprise, surprise five years later they were divorced.  Reading between the lines sexual incompatibility was a big factor.

for a good laugh watch "Saved".

/hooray for liberal, pro-choice, sluts.
 
2014-01-23 05:00:56 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Ant: Dr Dreidel: Orthodoxy allows for divorce (it's not much different than civil divorce, other than the requirement that "the husband drive his wife away" meaning he has to initiate proceedings).

And if he doesn't want to initiate the proceedings, you can always hire some people to 'persuade' him.

That's actually the last step.

1. He SHOULD acquiesce to her wishes. IIRC, even a hundred years ago, this was the thinking (the wording of the original text is that "he" must drive "her" away, and there's, sadly, no writing around that); that if she was so unhappy in the marriage, that only an evil person would "chain" her using the marriage.
2. If he doesn't, when she takes the issue to [$authority, usually their pulpit Rabbi], he will lay out the possible consequences for his continued refusal, to wit:
3. He'll be barred from participating in religious observance/ceremony (meaning he can't lead OR participate), up to stopping services mid-word if he walks in.
4. People in the community will be barred from doing business with him until he grants the divorce. Anyone who does business with him will be similarly "excommunicated".
(I may be confusing the order of 3 and 4)
5. A group of "concerned citizens" will attempt to persuade him, either through intimidation, or, sadly, physical violence (though most opinions officially disavow this as a legitimate avenue, they unofficially support it - I heard of one case where a guy in jail for tax fraud wouldn't give his wife a divorce, so "they" told his cellmates that he was a suspected kiddie-diddler. The problem then "worked itself out").

I have known personally of several cases that made it to various stages in the above. Thankfully, all of them are currently divorced from the abusive assholes (some have remarried).

// if you want to be depressed, Google the term "agunah"
// literally "guarded", it refers to a woman whose husband refuses to divorce her, and there have been Herculean efforts to try and un-guard affected wom ...

// the easy solution is to stop believing, but that's one more measure of "control" the abuser takes (driving her away from belief whether she wants to or not)

Thanks to you, the band members of Journey are somewhere crying their eyes out right now.
 
2014-01-23 05:14:13 PM  

JesusJuice: It's just a function of their broader moral, intellectual, and physical inferiority.


Above average salaries, below average tax rate.

You spelled superiority wrong :)
 
2014-01-23 05:39:05 PM  

PunGent: Above average salaries


Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature
 
2014-01-23 05:42:40 PM  
It's not "weird" or "counterintuitive." Those of us who live in "red" states and have more than two brain cells to rub together can tell you why: because the dumbfarks who live in these states and yap about Jesus and morals and who elect people even dumber than they are to public office all care more about how things LOOK than the way things ARE.

They see the world as a nightmarish secular hellscape that only they, the ultra-pure Christian warriors, can deliver from evil. But they're also lazy farkers, so they count voting and yapping about God, abortion and homos as "fighting evil." So the shiat they do is ineffectual, at best, at the thing they claim they're doing ("helping" people by forcing them to have babies they don't want or getting married or pretending they're heterosexual). Who they don't give a shiat about, BTW. They don't care about kids once they slide out of the birth canal and they care even less about women and gay people.

They just care about getting "win" marks on the Bible thumper tote board. The actual humans involved in the situations they claim to care so much about are not that much of a concern to them. And when their "solutions" fail, they get to blame the people they "tried to help."

It's a way to act like you care about other people while at the same time doing things that actively harm them, without having to go to much effort to do so. That's what the idiots in Congress and the state legislatures are for, to do the dirty work of the abusive male assholes and the overweight, dried up, sex-hating old hags who fill the churches.
 
2014-01-23 05:57:33 PM  
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2014-01-23 06:12:55 PM  

tbhouston: other than texas all the red states have more federal handouts than they bring in with taxes..


That's by design (seems clear now). The states don't want to spend THEIR money to help their residents. They'd rather the poors and the illegals just leave, but failing that, they're happy to have everyone else in the other states subsidizing them (Medicaid, AFDC, etc.).

They save their hard-earned money in-state for Jesusy shiat like faith-based marriage and family counseling and tax abatements and other sweetheart deals for corporations and such.
 
2014-01-23 06:13:44 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: It's not "weird" or "counterintuitive." Those of us who live in "red" states and have more than two brain cells to rub together can tell you why: because the dumbfarks who live in these states and yap about Jesus and morals and who elect people even dumber than they are to public office all care more about how things LOOK than the way things ARE.

They see the world as a nightmarish secular hellscape that only they, the ultra-pure Christian warriors, can deliver from evil. But they're also lazy farkers, so they count voting and yapping about God, abortion and homos as "fighting evil." So the shiat they do is ineffectual, at best, at the thing they claim they're doing ("helping" people by forcing them to have babies they don't want or getting married or pretending they're heterosexual). Who they don't give a shiat about, BTW. They don't care about kids once they slide out of the birth canal and they care even less about women and gay people.

They just care about getting "win" marks on the Bible thumper tote board. The actual humans involved in the situations they claim to care so much about are not that much of a concern to them. And when their "solutions" fail, they get to blame the people they "tried to help."

It's a way to act like you care about other people while at the same time doing things that actively harm them, without having to go to much effort to do so. That's what the idiots in Congress and the state legislatures are for, to do the dirty work of the abusive male assholes and the overweight, dried up, sex-hating old hags who fill the churches.


While this is a lovely rant and all, how exactly does this lead to higher divorce rates? You want to know what leads to the higher divorce rates? The South is more economically depressed for one. Finances are a major reason why individuals part-ways. On top of this, there is a lot of societal pressure for young folks to get married in the South - especially if they have kids together. Getting married before you are ready, and at the behest of others is a recipe for disaster that will likely end in a divorce. Further the concept of the Southern cowboy now has devolved from a gentleman, to a boozing deadbeat douchebag. You could also blame this largely on the procreation rates of minorities, coupled with the extremely high pressure for couples who conceive a kid out of wedlock to get married to "save face". All of this is a recipe for disaster that is likely to end in a divorce and is predominant in the South.
 
2014-01-23 06:14:34 PM  

special20: InterruptingQuirk: what_now: Massachusetts, the first to legalize gay marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.

All the people who got married there went back their home state and can't get divorced there.

I was going to say something very similar, but I only know two couples from "Mass" that got divorced in another state. I wanted to hold out until I knew one more couple before I correlated that metric.


Gay couples who 'got married' in Mass & then 'went back to their home state'...aren't married. There's a residency requirement, for starters. Civil ceremonies in p-Town while on vacation aren't legally binding. Gay marriages still aren't recognized in over 30 states, and are therefore not included in marriage OR divorce statistics. Try again.
 
2014-01-23 06:17:27 PM  
the money is in the banana stand:

While this is a lovely rant and all, how exactly does this lead to higher divorce rates? You want to know what leads to the higher divorce rates? The South is more economically depressed for one. Finances are a major reason why individuals part-ways. On top of this, there is a lot of societal pressure for young folks to get married in the South - especially if they have kids together. Gett ...

I'm not seeing how what I wrote is inconsistent with what you wrote, so ... I concur.

/grew up in OK, now live in TX
//mother is a Fox News-loving Jesus freak
 
2014-01-23 06:46:21 PM  
the money is in the banana stand:

While this is a lovely rant and all, how exactly does this lead to higher divorce rates? You want to know what leads to the higher divorce rates? The South is more economically depressed for one. Finances are a major reason why individuals part-ways. On top of this, there is a lot of societal pressure for young folks to get married in the South - especially if they have kids together. Gett ...

I will disagree with one thing: that the south is "more economically depressed." Compared to where? Upper midwest? California? Florida? Actually, southern states (mostly Texas, but there are others) are doing OK economically, overall. Now, there are populations within those states (blacks, Hispanics, high school dropouts) who aren't doing so good, but like I said, the powers that be in those states don't care about "those people." If you're black or poor or undocumented, you don't count in their rendering of economic vitality, blah blah blah. They care about shiat like businesses moving in from other states, "right to work" legislation, tax rates (low, of course), etc. They don't care about metrics like "percentage of people without health insurance/health care" or "unemployment rates among young black people."

Rick Perry doesn't care that Latinos in the border counties are not doing well by any metric. He really only cares about what the affluent white people who voted for him think and care about. Which is not poor Mexicans.

Poor Mexicans do our yard work and clean our office buildings down here. So at least they're bootstrappy. One day, maybe a couple of generations from now, they'll be affluent enough to give a shiat about.

Perry isn't so much a racist (I don't think) as he just doesn't care what poor people think. Poor people can't do anything for him. They're just takers, wanting stuff like health care and education for their kids. And I doubt he really cares about abortion or gay people getting married, that's just the shiat he yaps about to keep the Jesus freaks happy. I'm sure it'll pay off for him big-time when he stops being governor and goes on the Republican speaking circuit. He'll probably make more money doing that than he does now.
 
2014-01-23 06:50:25 PM  

Molavian: monoski: Molavian: Why do "Red States" have higher divorce rates than "Blue States"?

Because it doesn't count as divorce when your constituency never gets married in the first place?

You know how I know you did not do well in stats class? Divorce rates are taken from the married population. Not those libby libtards living in sin.

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Marriage is the chief cause of divorce. Duh.
 
2014-01-23 06:54:50 PM  

Dinjiin: FizixJunkee: How about we change the minimum age of marriage until 25, or being a legal adult to at least 21?

FTFY.

I never understood why our government believes that we're responsible enough at age 18 to sign up for the military

and tens of thousands of dollars in student loansso we can go off to die but that we aren't responsible enough to drink a beer on our own.  If you believe that people are that irresponsible at 18, then bump everything up.

FTFY
 
2014-01-23 06:58:04 PM  

Arkanaut: As Glass told The Los Angeles Times, "If you live in a marriage market where everybody marries young, you postpone marriage at your own risk. The best catches ... are going to go first."

This is an interesting point, although I dispute the notion that the "best catches" are the ones who dive headlong into marriage before they turn 20.


That, my friend, depends entirely upon where you grow up. If you are in the sticks and want to stay in those sticks you'd better snap up a cutie quick; they're all pregnant/married (either tends to follow the other quickly so order is of minimal relevance) by their early twenties.
 
2014-01-23 08:51:44 PM  

eggrolls: special20: InterruptingQuirk: what_now: Massachusetts, the first to legalize gay marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.

All the people who got married there went back their home state and can't get divorced there.

I was going to say something very similar, but I only know two couples from "Mass" that got divorced in another state. I wanted to hold out until I knew one more couple before I correlated that metric.

Gay couples who 'got married' in Mass & then 'went back to their home state'...aren't married. There's a residency requirement, for starters. Civil ceremonies in p-Town while on vacation aren't legally binding. Gay marriages still aren't recognized in over 30 states, and are therefore not included in marriage OR divorce statistics. Try again.


Read and be enlightened. "For example, an out-of-state couple who goes to Massachusetts to marry, or a couple who lives in-state and then moves away, can't divorce in Massachusetts because they'd have to be a resident for at least a year. And if the couple's home state doesn't recognize gay marriage, they can't divorce there, either."
 
2014-01-23 09:06:12 PM  

Wendy's Chili: PunGent: Above average salaries

Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature


Are you trolling, unable to do math, or unable to read your own link?

Help me out here.
 
2014-01-23 09:10:29 PM  
Marriage is hard; so quit, and try again with someone else.  Yeah, that'll work.
Too many people think if their marriage isnt a fairy tale replica then they should divorce.

/been with my wife more than half my life
//it's not always easy
 
2014-01-23 09:12:58 PM  

Wendy's Chili: PunGent: Above average salaries

Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature


Iowa has predominantly been a blue state.
 
2014-01-23 09:19:13 PM  
The red comes from jock itch.
 
2014-01-23 09:25:37 PM  

doubled99: Let the socially acceptable bigotry begin...


Here you go.

www.preparationh.com
 
2014-01-23 10:25:47 PM  

PunGent: Wendy's Chili: PunGent: Above average salaries

Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature

Are you trolling, unable to do math, or unable to read your own link?

Help me out here.


I can't answer your question because I don't care, but I would like to note that Mississippi was not the worst state on that list. Go Mississippi! Someday soon we'll find a second thing you're not the worst at!
 
2014-01-23 10:45:15 PM  

Wendy's Chili: PunGent: Above average salaries

Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature


I'm not sure what your point is but Des Moines, Ia. is one of the wealthiest cities in the nation and is fairly representative of all of Iowa.
 
2014-01-24 12:51:08 AM  
Black people don't get married when they pop out 1000 kids, so that skews the data.
 
2014-01-24 06:07:55 AM  

Frederick: Wendy's Chili: PunGent: Above average salaries

Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature

I'm not sure what your point is but Des Moines, Ia. is one of the wealthiest cities in the nation and is fairly representative of all of Iowa.


I only said Mass. had above-average salaries.  Wendy's Chili said "no" and then posted a link that showed Mass. had...above-average salaries.

Still waiting to hear wtf point Chili wanted to make.
 
2014-01-24 08:53:55 AM  

PunGent: Frederick: Wendy's Chili: PunGent: Above average salaries

Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature

I'm not sure what your point is but Des Moines, Ia. is one of the wealthiest cities in the nation and is fairly representative of all of Iowa.

I only said Mass. had above-average salaries.  Wendy's Chili said "no" and then posted a link that showed Mass. had...above-average salaries.

Still waiting to hear wtf point Chili wanted to make.


You never said anything about Massachusetts. I assumed you were talking about the topic of the thread.
 
2014-01-24 09:23:44 AM  

Wendy's Chili: PunGent: Frederick: Wendy's Chili: PunGent: Above average salaries

Yeah, no.

If it weren't for Iowa's recent blueward turn, red states would have a monopoly on shiatty paying jobs.

/it's not a bug, it's a feature

I'm not sure what your point is but Des Moines, Ia. is one of the wealthiest cities in the nation and is fairly representative of all of Iowa.

I only said Mass. had above-average salaries.  Wendy's Chili said "no" and then posted a link that showed Mass. had...above-average salaries.

Still waiting to hear wtf point Chili wanted to make.

You never said anything about Massachusetts. I assumed you were talking about the topic of the thread.


Ah, I think I see the problem; you only quoted my response to JesusJuice, not the "point" he was trying to make about Mass.  THAT was what I was rebutting way up there.
 
2014-01-24 08:50:53 PM  
Having grown up in a red state with a family heavily involved in a Protestant church, I can tell you... That shotgun wedding reference isn't too far-fetched. If you got pregnant, you either took care of it VERY quietly or got married to preserve your reputation. Having a child out of wedlock just won't do. There's also the whole "get married to have sex" thing that some folks do. And godly, monogamous marriage relationships where both partners waited and did not cohabitate beforehand are presented as a fairy tale. A lot of kids go into marriage with that expectation, and boy do they get a wake-up call.

Sex and babies are two of the worst reasons to get married, and even if you get married for the right reasons, you have to have realistic expectations. Sex isn't everything, and if it is everything to you, you're going to be disappointed. Marriage isn't for sex, though if you find the right person, the sex is a bonus, but there are a number of different ways in which happily married couples approach the matter-- some of which include sex with other people.

Marriage is about finding a partner for the rest of your life, and I mean "partner" in every sense of the word. Whatever one of you faces, the other is always going to be there to equally deal with that situation. You're a team.  If one of you is doing everything, then the other one isn't necessary. You will also have problems, and you'll argue about stupid shiat, like which theoretical features cell phone carriers should add to their plans. You'll have moments where you get sick of looking at each other and just want to be left alone. But at the end of the day, you know that you and this other person make an amazing team, and you're just better together.

If you don't have that, do not get married.
 
2014-01-24 08:57:38 PM  

supayoda: Marriage is about finding a partner for the rest of your life, and I mean "partner" in every sense of the word. Whatever one of you faces, the other is always going to be there to equally deal with that situation. You're a team. If one of you is doing everything, then the other one isn't necessary. You will also have problems, and you'll argue about stupid shiat, like which theoretical features cell phone carriers should add to their plans. You'll have moments where you get sick of looking at each other and just want to be left alone. But at the end of the day, you know that you and this other person make an amazing team, and you're just better together.


It's a cooperative game of the two of you against the world.  If you go into it thinking the opposition is the other half of the marriage, do everyone a favour and stay single.

/I don't mean you, supayoda, obviously, I was just embellishing your point
 
2014-01-24 11:08:15 PM  

eggrolls: special20: InterruptingQuirk: what_now: Massachusetts, the first to legalize gay marriage, has the lowest divorce rate.

All the people who got married there went back their home state and can't get divorced there.

I was going to say something very similar, but I only know two couples from "Mass" that got divorced in another state. I wanted to hold out until I knew one more couple before I correlated that metric.

Gay couples who 'got married' in Mass & then 'went back to their home state'...aren't married. There's a residency requirement, for starters. Civil ceremonies in p-Town while on vacation aren't legally binding. Gay marriages still aren't recognized in over 30 states, and are therefore not included in marriage OR divorce statistics. Try again.


You presumed I was talking of same sex marriages? Please, you may try again instead.
 
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