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(Fox Sports)   It's gotten to the point that the Richard Sherman "outburst" has already been dissected more times than the Zapruder film   (msn.foxsports.com) divider line 43
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2014-01-23 04:39:24 PM
2 votes:

IAmRight: And if I win those AND the Seahawks win, good LORD I'm going to be obnoxious to the haters. I'll probably get perma-banned.



with as thin-skinned as SEA has been over the last 3-4 years, you'll (SEA fan, not "you" IAmRight) be insufferable either way.  if you win, you won't STFU about it.  if you lose, you'll spend the nest year pissing your panties about That One Call that blew the game.

the only possible scenario in which you won't be insufferable is a 48-9 beatdown, in which case you'll have no room to talk.  but of course that won't happen.
2014-01-23 04:04:28 PM
2 votes:

Shame Us: sammyk: Am I racist if I just think he is an asshole of epic proportions?

I get feeling like he's an asshole, I just don't get the severity of people's feelings about the guy. It's insane. He talks trash - so did Jordan, so did Payton, so does Brady, so does Boldin, etc.


When there are 22 players on the field, no one would be surprised that all 22 were talking trash to each other and that even a few of them are assholes.  Sherman got up in front of the camera on national TV after winning the NFC Championship game and  took trash talk to a whole different level.  Whether people like it or not (most don't), you can probably only compare what Sherman did with... a couple of other things?  I can't think of many right now - I'm sure Bobby Knight did some really bad pointed rants, maybe Ryan Leaf screaming at the reporter, or Allen Iverson's "we talkin' 'bout...practice" rant.  And even then, those weren't done as directly or on as big a stage as this.  The scale is enormous.  It would seem the only thing bigger would be if someone did it at the Super Bowl or World Series / NBA Finals?.  "Mr Gorbachev, tear down that wall!"?
2014-01-23 03:53:03 PM
2 votes:
Side note:

I give Kap props for telling Wilson to go out and win a ring.
2014-01-23 03:02:08 PM
2 votes:
Well, why DID they try him with a sorry receiver like Crabtree?

/ducks out of thread
2014-01-23 02:27:58 PM
2 votes:
static1.businessinsider.com

"What is THIS shiat? Who cares? Omaha, Omaha!"

//10 more farking days? Arrrrgh!!!
rka
2014-01-23 08:39:00 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: If Manning runs for 58 yards...damn.


The last time Manning ran for 58 yards in an entire SEASON was 2002. In 2013 he's -31 for the year.

If Manning has 58yds rushing in the SB then we'll know that the entire Hawks defense was struck by food poisoning or Eugene Robinson took them all to a whorehouse the night before.
2014-01-23 06:47:31 PM
1 votes:

arentol: rickythepenguin: Robert1966: I was impressed by Sherman's follow-up. It seems he got worked up and made an ass of himself, and now feels a little foolish but stands by his expressions of confidence and his feeling that he had been disrespected by someone who is too lazy to play as well as he does. I don't know that there is a racial angle to it, but I guess people on both sides like to put one there.

i said the other day dude was SURGING on adrenalin.  he was about 2-3 minutes (if that) removed from the final whistle, realizing he'd achieved a lifelong dream:  THE SUPER BOWL.  yeah he wsa jacked.  he looked silly and it was exceedingly poor sportsmanship, but, he was just pulsing with adrenalin.

and as i also said, NBC or whomever, fox, whatever, they knew wha tthey were getting.  they specifically chose sherman, knowing he'd go operation codename:  richard sherman.  he went operation codename:  richard sherman and then the network aborted the interview (per dan patrick today;  erin andrews said she wsa told to cut it short).


and once agian, i loved Daryl Wright's tweet:  "dear media:  how about you quit sending erin andrews to interview n___s on live tv?"

You also forgot the part where the interview was less than 2 minutes from Crabtree shoving Sherman in the face when Sherman was congratulating him on a good game and looking for a sportsman-like handshake. I forget, which one of them was the bad sportsman again? People keep saying Sherman, but all I can picture in my head is Crabtree being the douchiest douche that ever douched his way across a football field.


right?!?!  because in that moment what you want is for the dude that has been giving you shiat the entire game to come over and gloat as soon as he ended your season...don't try to paint Sherman as the victim...he was trolling Crabtree and Crabtree didn't want to hear it.
2014-01-23 06:42:22 PM
1 votes:

harleyquinnical: rickythepenguin: spiderpaz: It could be a low scoring snoozer, or a shootout, or a blowout by either team potentially. You could make and argument for each.

last i checked the o/u was i think 47.5.  i say under, and SEA wins like, 25-17, 27-15.  i say under BIGTIME and I just don't see Denver scoring a lot.  and denver gave up points a lot this year.  like they gave up something like 48 to Dallas, yet still won.

SEA's defense is no joke.  I just can't see Peyton doing a whole lot against this secondary.

a 35-30 shootout would shock me.  one, I can't see SEA giving up that many points.  i think Denver was favored, and I get that, Peyton is a popular bet and all, i just don't see DEN matching up well with these guys.

SEA, high single digits.  maybe 10-12 points.

I'm with you on this.  Due to all the trouble the Seattle offense has had getting going, they are not going to break 24 points.  The defense is going to give Manning a run for his money on multiple fronts.  This is going to come down to which Defense can score some points from a pick 6 or turn over.  It will take multiple defensive scores to hit an over like that.  I don't see it, especially if there is lots of snow going on.

/Also, I liked your cut of Suite Sherman Blue Eyes


Denver will be, I think the metrics/numbers bear this out, the worst defense Seattle has faced since...let's see...SF, NO, STL, AZ, NYG, SF, NO...since Minnesota in week 11. Their last 7 games have been vs. Top 13 Defenses (weirdly enough, SF is the worst defense by DVOA that the Seahawks have faced during that stretch). That kinda helps explain why the offensive production has dipped.
2014-01-23 06:38:33 PM
1 votes:

Rent Party: The purpose of Seattle's recievers isn't to actually catch balls, though.  It's to keep safetys and linebackers honest for this guy.


And block. But all they do is make big plays and block happily. It's like a team full of Hines Wards.
2014-01-23 04:48:47 PM
1 votes:

Shame Us: LessO2: The_Sponge: LessO2: Yet, we can count on all the Seahawk "faithful" to post dozens of times in this thread.

Already started.


Then why are you here?


For the lulz of course.

You and some others ought to try it.  Get outside once in awhile and stop taking sports so g-damned seriously.

I love the people that think they're the only ones who lead productive lives and still manage to be on the internet during the day. Everyone else is a shut-in living on hot pockets and cheetos.



Count the number of your posts alone, and then count mine.

I'll just leave it at that.
2014-01-23 04:46:00 PM
1 votes:

ongbok: mikaloyd: Bunny Deville: YOU'RE ALL MAKING BABY JESUS CRY

NOW STAHP

ongbok: Maybe if Crabtree hadn't shoved him in the face after he tried to shake his hand and congratulate him on a good game, he wouldn't have felt the need to tell the world how much of a mediocre receiver he is.

Maybe if they used La-Z-Boys instead of folding chairs Bobby Knight wouldnt have thrown them. Maybe if sand was a WMD Bush would have been 100% justified in farking up Iraq. Maybe if Grandma watched ESPN she'd give up her daytime story shows. You just never can tell.

Yeah, but I going to say that Crabtree's own actions less than 2 minutes before the interview led to him being called out.


I find it funny that people are blaming Crabtree...dude, if someone has been giving you the business all game, all week, they make a great play that ends your season...you are walking away back to your sideline and then that same person has obviously sought you out and said, "great game, great game", as sincere as Sherman may have been (which he likely was as I think he actually is a nice guy, just a fierce competitor), it is perfectly reasonable for Crabtree to think otherwise.

But don't let that stop your blaming Crabtree for a face shove while excusing Sherman yelling on national TV (because he was emotional after all).
2014-01-23 04:32:44 PM
1 votes:

Shame Us: As a Seahawks fan, I wish he hadn't done it that way.


I'm glad he did because now I get to buy a "Don't You Ever Talk About Me" t-shirt at an outrageous price for a chance at some SB tix.

And if I win those AND the Seahawks win, good LORD I'm going to be obnoxious to the haters. I'll probably get perma-banned.
2014-01-23 04:25:32 PM
1 votes:

Shame Us: AdmirableSnackbar: It wouldn't have been a jump ball if it had been thrown properly. The way it was thrown it was a jump ball at the front of the end zone. It was only because the ball was underthrown that Sherman was able to extend and deflect the pass. If it was deeper it's beyond his reach and Crabtree has a chance to make a back-corner catch while shielding Sherman off with his back. Kaep was consistently underthrowing his passes all game, severely so on the two picks.

Yu're assuming that had Kaep thrown the pass deeper into the endzone, Sherman would have played it exactly the same way? Crabtree would have too? If the ball is throw 5 yards deeper, the two guys aren't going to be playing for it the same way. Sherman wouldn't have leapt for the ball 5 yards short and Crabtree would have kept running toward the back of the endzone.

The fact is that Sherman doesn't give up the fade. They've tried a handful of times this season and the best outcome has been an incomplete pass. He has now tipped passes to his teammates twice on fades.


That play was entirely Kaep's fault.  Unless it's fourth down, it makes no sense trying to squeeze that pass in against a tall corner like Sherman.  He could have thrown it away, looked for another option, or just scrambled for 2 or 3 yards.  If he'd thrown it deeper, at least it may not have been at risk of being intercepted.  Good QB's thrown it where nobody but the receiver can catch it, even if it makes it harder to get to.

It's not his fault they lost though.  With someone that couldn't run like him, they would have never been able to get the opportunities they got.  His legs are what made it so possible to move the ball against Seattle.  It was a battle down to the wire because he brought an X factor that leveled the scale.  Manning's going to face some tighter coverage because they don't have to worry one iota about him scrambling.
2014-01-23 04:22:44 PM
1 votes:

stappawho: sammyk: Am I racist if I just think he is an asshole of epic proportions?

Nope, just ignorant.


Haven't you guys heard? Richard Sherman is a shoe-in for the Nobel Peace prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and he's due to be cannonized by the RC Church shortly after those ceremonies are done.

All hail Sherman!! All hail Sherman!!
2014-01-23 04:22:37 PM
1 votes:

Shame Us: Seriously, he was talking into a camera about one guy. Yes it was nationally televised, but there is no way you can say it's worse than what we know players say on the field. We have clear video of players in various sports calling people f*ggots and impugning their lineagewives/sisters etc.


The odd thing is that most all the other trash talkers spew their crap during a game at the person to whom they are trash talking. They almost never mistake an aprez-game interview camera for the intended target of their trash talking. That is the puzzling aspect of this whole misunderstanding. Could the camera have resembled Crabtree somehow?
2014-01-23 04:14:28 PM
1 votes:
I mean it was wrong for Sherman to say that shiat but not so wrong. Just a little wrong. It seems like it is getting blown way out of proportion.

Sherman is a notorious trash talker. I have never liked him or the team or the fans. The white ones, black ones, whatever ones. He is also young and probably somewhat immature, thrust into a spotlight. He made a mistake. He has admitted it. His coach had admitted it. Tracy Porter didn't do that after either of his huge plays. Many people of all colors haven't after their moments of triumph. Michael Jordan comes to mind. This guy did. It's ok. Even though I don't like the kid, I think the whole thing is too much.

People just hate trash talkers. And they will hate them for whatever reason they can think of. If they are black, they will hate them for that. If they are a woman, they will also. If they are Southern, they will hate them for that. But those are after the fact. What they really hate is arrogance. 

It is great to think of yourself highly, but when you constantly do so by saying how much others' are so lesser than you, it shows not only an underlying insecurity, but also a very real disregard for the people who you play the game against, who are the main ingredient to your greatness, who are out there putting their bodies on the line and possibly facing CTE or ALS in their futures. Sherman owes Crabtree a lot actually. Without him, he has no foe. Without any of the other 31 teams in the NFL, Sherman has no job and much less livelihood. So I suppose there is a certain expectation that a reasonable amount of respect should be given. Mike Tyson has often spoke of his respect and love for them men he faced in the ring, even after threatening to eat their children and biting their ears off! Athletes owe a lot to each other as foes, to create the competition. Sherman should respect that.

Again, Sherman is a kid. He has been through a lot. He has probably never expected to be where he is. He certainly could have handled it better. It's easy for me to forgive him. It certainly has created enough drama to possibly be a distraction as the team heads to the Super Bowl.

Racist farkers on the internet shouldn't be dictating a national conversation on this. I don't know if it is good that they are (because it singles them out and exposes them) or bad (because it clouds the very important issue of race by creating a drama around something that has more to do with sportsmanship and maturity than race).
2014-01-23 04:13:32 PM
1 votes:

Shame Us: AdmirableSnackbar: Shame Us: AdmirableSnackbar: Shame Us: Hell, I'd say that Crabtree is below Kaepernick, Gore, Davis and Boldin as far as "skill" players on the Niners offense are concerned. So 5th best/most important player. That guy coming back is not going to drastically change your offense.

In terms of importance, maybe, but he's still a far better WR than Kaepernick is a QB.

If Kaepernick wasn't a mediocre - MEDIOCRE!!!! - QB San Fran wins that game.

Yeah - if the players on a team are better, they play better.

But that's why I think Sherman is an ass for what he said.  It takes all 11 players playing at a high level for any individual player to be great.  Calling out one guy whose success is extremely dependent upon another player is ignorant, especially when that other player (in this case, Kaepernick) was downright dreadful in that game.  Heck, on the game-clinching play Crabtree had beaten Sherman.  Sherman was only able to make the play he did because Kaepernick underthrew the ball. For some reason, people seem to think that Crabtree could control that and that Crabtree lost the matchup when that couldn't be further from the truth.

Crabtree was covered on the play. Sherman was right in front of him (until the little shove from Crabtree) and is 2 inches taller than him with longer arms. A fade route in the corner of the endzone (which would have been where Kaep wanted to throw it) over a taller DB standing infront of the receiver is not an open play. It is at best a jumpball where your WR has the disadvantage. The pass never should have been thrown and a fade vs. Sherman never should have been called.

Also, Sherman did acknowledge that he was sorry that he took away from his teammates' accolades and that he owes his success to them (specifically the D-Line and Earl Thomas).


It wouldn't have been a jump ball if it had been thrown properly.  The way it was thrown it was a jump ball at the front of the end zone.  It was only because the ball was underthrown that Sherman was able to extend and deflect the pass.  If it was deeper it's beyond his reach and Crabtree has a chance to make a back-corner catch while shielding Sherman off with his back.  Kaep was consistently underthrowing his passes all game, severely so on the two picks.
2014-01-23 04:12:12 PM
1 votes:

Shame Us: spiderpaz: IAmRight: AdmirableSnackbar: Crabtree had beaten Sherman

Wherein by beaten you mean "shoved Sherman in the back to illegally create separation"

That might not be as funny if you didn't ignore the fact that the Seattle secondary have their hands all over the receivers all the time.

Just like every other decent secondary in the league. Yes, even san fran's.


Yes, but why act like Crabtree putting hands back is any worse?
2014-01-23 04:05:58 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: AdmirableSnackbar: Crabtree had beaten Sherman

Wherein by beaten you mean "shoved Sherman in the back to illegally create separation"


That might not be as funny if you didn't ignore the fact that the Seattle secondary have their hands all over the receivers all the time.
2014-01-23 04:03:29 PM
1 votes:
On a side note, if Kennedy had been shot in the 24-hour cable news era, you bet your ass that the Zapruder film would have been analyzed nonstop.
2014-01-23 03:59:53 PM
1 votes:
Richard Sherman is such a thug, Justin Bieber wants to hang out with him.
2014-01-23 03:57:02 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: Shame Us: The expectations of how a guy coming off of an Achilles tear would open up the offense were way too high

The amount his impact was overstated was ridiculous, as well.

49ers offense without Crabtree: 24.91 points/game
49ers offense with Crabtree: 24.38 points/game

WHOA WHAT A HUGE WEAPON!


And yet, better than any receiver on the Seahawks.

/Sherman probably recognizes mediocre receivers from seeing them in practice all day
//except Harvin, that guy is elite in the trainers room
2014-01-23 03:54:05 PM
1 votes:

IAmRight: WHOA WHAT A HUGE WEAPON!


I think it's been previously established that Crabtree is no Megatron.

On the other hand you are on record as saying it will be "tough" for the broncos to defend against a guy who has one catch this season. And that same guy's best season receiving the ball looks like a damn xerox copy of Crabtree's best season receiving. Not that Harvin won't catch a ball. Just that I doubt they are spending a ton of time game-planning for him.

On a historical note I find myself wondering if there's ever been a guy whose second catch of the year came in the super bowl. Maybe so but I am not going to be the one looking that up!
2014-01-23 03:35:51 PM
1 votes:
And this is why there should be only one week between the NFC/AFC championship games and the Super Bowl.
2014-01-23 03:33:25 PM
1 votes:
Hell, I'd say that Crabtree is below Kaepernick, Gore, Davis and Boldin as far as "skill" players on the Niners offense are concerned. So 5th best/most important player. That guy coming back is not going to drastically change your offense.
2014-01-23 03:26:16 PM
1 votes:
For those of you that don't know Key and Peele, I give you...

Collegiate Bowl I

Collegiate Bowl II

You're welcome.
2014-01-23 03:19:39 PM
1 votes:
I like Richard Sherman, there I said it.

/49er fan
//as much as I'm a fan of any PRO team
///AnchorDown
2014-01-23 03:12:47 PM
1 votes:

Super Chronic: Well, why DID they try him with a sorry receiver like Crabtree?

/ducks out of thread


Yeah that's one thing lost in all of this was that the other time Crabtree was lined up with Sherman, it resulted in a defensive holding penalty. Crabtree picked up his 4/52 yards when it was someone else not named Sherman covering him. It's just remarkable that the only other time in the game the ball was thrown to Crabtree and Sherman was covering him, that happened and we are where we are.

Crabtree has pretty solid hands. Route running and shaking off defenders will get better over time, but when the best corner is covering you (someone who used to play the WR position and very safe to assume still knows the general tendencies of any WR) yeah the defender is going to win out most of the time.

Regardless of who you were rooting for (if you had an interest) it was a helluva game and probably will be in the top ten of best games of the season.
2014-01-23 03:08:50 PM
1 votes:

Bunny Deville: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 366x395 SHUT UP PIC]


But we are talking about Sherman

Doodloo doodlooo doodloo doo
Dooo doo doo dooo dooo doodooo doo
 
Sherman
Whos the black public dick
Thats a sex machine to reporter chix
Sherman!
Damn right!
Who is the man
Who would dis crabtree for Seahwkjs fans
(Sherman)
Can ya dig it?
Who's the cat that wont shut up
Bout why crabtree got up his but?
(Sherman)
right on
You see this cat Sherman is a bad thugger-m...
(SHUT YOUR MOUTH)
But Im talkin bout Sherman
(then you a racist)
He's a complicated man
That only his 12th man understands
(Dick Sherman)
2014-01-23 03:06:45 PM
1 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: Phil Moskowitz: But no one saw what D'glester Hardunkichud said at half time. It's all just water under the bridge with that guy.

[pixel.nymag.com image 190x190]

"I could talk about Fudge all day."


Although, Nyquillus is my favorite.
content.clearchannel.com
2014-01-23 02:57:54 PM
1 votes:
I was impressed by Sherman's follow-up. It seems he got worked up and made an ass of himself, and now feels a little foolish but stands by his expressions of confidence and his feeling that he had been disrespected by someone who is too lazy to play as well as he does. I don't know that there is a racial angle to it, but I guess people on both sides like to put one there.
2014-01-23 02:54:08 PM
1 votes:

Ishkur: mikaloyd: We will know that Sherman's interview style has jumped the shark once a political analyst chimes in with "This is an uncomfortable discussion that America has needed to have for a long time"

Now is not the time to talk about gun violence uppity black football players.


Why not both? How about gun violence perpetrated by uppity black football players during the fourth quarter?

/the fourth quarter is the only one that counts...
/wait...I think I have my NBA uppity black basketball players confused with my NFL uppity black football players
/they all look alike except the NBA players wear sleeves to cover their filthy nasty raggedy ass don't you bring that stank up in here tats
/seriously, racism is alive and well in professional sports in America
2014-01-23 02:51:49 PM
1 votes:
Because lulz. Here's Manning on idiot kickers...Lulz
2014-01-23 02:44:14 PM
1 votes:

mikaloyd: We will know that Sherman's interview style has jumped the shark once a political analyst chimes in with "This is an uncomfortable discussion that America has needed to have for a long time"


Now is not the time to talk about gun violence uppity black football players.
2014-01-23 02:36:25 PM
1 votes:
Top of the morning chaps. I say, does anyone here happen to recall where this young man matriculated? Is he of the Staffordshire Shermans? I'll be the first to admit I'm not up on my heraldry nomenclature but I seem to recall it debunked that his father was a minor earl of something or other.  I could be mistaken. I dare say it's possible he holds no titles or lands of note anywhere. Dear me, all this foofaraw over one of the low-born...
2014-01-23 02:32:40 PM
1 votes:
Sherman's rant was somewhat classless.

Sherman himself seems to be a pretty down to earth guy.

Neither of these things make him a 'thug.'
2014-01-23 02:24:46 PM
1 votes:
Has anyone played the audio from the interview backwards to search for any Satanic messages?
2014-01-23 02:24:44 PM
1 votes:
farm8.staticflickr.com
2014-01-23 02:22:26 PM
1 votes:

doubled99: I bet he probably robbed a liquor store and did a driveby before the game.
Typical thug. he's from Compton, you know how it goes with them...


oh god.  First the robbery, then the drive by, then the near perfect GPA at the university, then the NFL draft, then the screaming at a camera on national TV.  If I've seen it once, I've seen it a million times.
2014-01-23 02:16:39 PM
1 votes:

i36.photobucket.com

2014-01-23 02:12:40 PM
1 votes:

LessO2: Yet, we can count on all the Seahawk "faithful" to post dozens of times in this thread.

Already started.



Then why are you here?
2014-01-23 02:11:02 PM
1 votes:
Yet, we can count on all the Seahawk "faithful" to post dozens of times in this thread.

Already started.
2014-01-23 02:08:24 PM
1 votes:
jocksandstilettojill.com   = wwwnc.cdc.gov
 
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