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(Washington Post)   New study shows that the Millennials' whole "Oh, woe is us, we can't find jobs as easily as our parents" line isn't really worth a trophy. Maybe a certificate for trying? OK, OK, you can have a pin, too   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 202
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2014-01-23 02:01:27 PM
old people messed up the world and refuse to take any responsibility, how shocking.
 
2014-01-23 02:04:23 PM

Z-clipped: IamAwake: wildcardjack: Where in that life are you supposed to develop as a person?

weekends?  multi-tasking during the day?  Do people not socialize with coworkers in your universe?  I could go on...

But if you're multitasking and socializing during your workday, how can you also produce double the productivity for the same or less money than your parents did?

[ek4t.com image 850x544]


I'm actually pretty qualified to answer that question.

The reason people are more productive now is they are given more efficient processes and workspaces.  The non-producing support personnel of today - "overhead" as it were - are far more prolific than they were prior to when that gap appeared.  How many IT jobs existed prior to 1974?  How many project management positions?  How many process improvement consultants?  Blah blah etc - the percentage of non-productive, non-executive, "overhead" people in the workplace has risen considerably.

Say you have a company that makes medical devices and sells them.  In 1950 you'd have engineers designing products, manufacturing making the products, and sales selling the products - all managed by executives, assisted by secretaries.  In 2014 you have QA testing the products, regulatory dealing with external verification agencies (FDA, JITC, etc), IT providing and supporting the computing infrastructure, so on, so forth.

All that chart does is compare the pay of the engineers and manufacturing, without taking into consideration that the vast majority of that gap is eaten up by all the new categories of jobs which now exist, and which didn't before.  That gap doesn't go 100% to a shareholder/owner's pocket, or some such.
 
2014-01-23 02:11:49 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The gf's little sister just got out of college. She's 25, has a masters in criminal psych, has never had a job (not even part time retail) and is applying for high level positions with federal agencies. So far no luck.


Good luck is right.  I have 15 years experience and am getting edged out.

Tell her the strip bars are always hiring.  Better money too
 
2014-01-23 02:17:25 PM

yakmans_dad: brimed03: The Boomers pretty much suck as a generation, from kids who mostly got high to adults who sold out every ideal they supposedly had to parents who needed to be buddies with their kids to old people who refuse to retire and let the next generation get jobs.

I take it you're unfamiliar with the poem "This Be the Verse". Hopefully, after reading it, you won't have quite the same platitudinous anger you currently exhibit.


Pfff... typical Boomer.  "Studying poetry in college got me a great job, so it should work for you too."  ; )

The problem with the Boomers isn't that they were any better or worse as people in general.  The problem was that their generation was so big and has had so much economic and political weight to throw around that its zeitgeist ended up being analogous to "only child syndrome".

A Boomer is not a bad person.  But the Boomers were selfish, entitled, pampered, and have hoarded opportunity and wealth through policy like no other group in American history.
 
2014-01-23 02:18:11 PM

AngryDragon: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The gf's little sister just got out of college. She's 25, has a masters in criminal psych, has never had a job (not even part time retail) and is applying for high level positions with federal agencies. So far no luck.

Good luck is right.  I have 15 years experience and am getting edged out.

Tell her the strip bars are always hiring.  Better money too


did you miss the part about her being 25?

//too-old.jpg
 
2014-01-23 02:19:18 PM

Reverend J: I've got a PhD in chemistry with experience  and I've been outta work for a year, so yeah, the market kinda sucks right now.

/Hundreds of applications
//Numerous interviews
///If you say "Oh, you're doing x wrong" or, "How 'bout you try y" I'll punch you in the face.


Ditto.
 
2014-01-23 02:24:27 PM

IamAwake: That gap doesn't go 100% to a shareholder/owner's pocket, or some such.


That's an interesting and clearly stated analysis, thanks.  I'm still trying to square it with this though:

currydemocrats.org
 
2014-01-23 02:30:11 PM
I think the main problem is companies are not willing to train anymore, as others have stated. And a lot of the corporate world today doesnt seemed geared towards long term employment. I have been at my current building for 3 years. In that time I have seen some major turnover, I would figure about 10% of the people here were here when I started. It would seem that would be the norm for most of the places I have been at. Hel we just had a person here quit, they had been here for 4 years and in that time didnt get a raise, yet they had all types of awards on their desk for employee of the quarter etc. And they wonder why they cant keep good people sometimes.
 
2014-01-23 02:33:53 PM

IamAwake: Z-clipped: IamAwake: wildcardjack: Where in that life are you supposed to develop as a person?

weekends?  multi-tasking during the day?  Do people not socialize with coworkers in your universe?  I could go on...

But if you're multitasking and socializing during your workday, how can you also produce double the productivity for the same or less money than your parents did?

[ek4t.com image 850x544]

I'm actually pretty qualified to answer that question.

The reason people are more productive now is they are given more efficient processes and workspaces.  The non-producing support personnel of today - "overhead" as it were - are far more prolific than they were prior to when that gap appeared.  How many IT jobs existed prior to 1974?  How many project management positions?  How many process improvement consultants?  Blah blah etc - the percentage of non-productive, non-executive, "overhead" people in the workplace has risen considerably.

Say you have a company that makes medical devices and sells them.  In 1950 you'd have engineers designing products, manufacturing making the products, and sales selling the products - all managed by executives, assisted by secretaries.  In 2014 you have QA testing the products, regulatory dealing with external verification agencies (FDA, JITC, etc), IT providing and supporting the computing infrastructure, so on, so forth.

All that chart does is compare the pay of the engineers and manufacturing, without taking into consideration that the vast majority of that gap is eaten up by all the new categories of jobs which now exist, and which didn't before.  That gap doesn't go 100% to a shareholder/owner's pocket, or some such.


Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly, but it appears that the BLS (the source of the original data) defines labor productivity in such a way that the overhead is included in the labor number for their productivity calculations.  If so, then any increase in the role of overhead would be reflected in a less steep or drop in the productivity levels themselves, and would not explain away the gap shown in the original comment.  Of course, using income instead of compensation is a little misleading as non-income compensation has increased even though income has remained flat (this is mostly but not completely due to the rising cost of healthcare).

The gap does not go all to a shareholder's pocket, of course, but labor's share as a percentage of the national income is falling while the share of capital is rising.
 
2014-01-23 02:49:21 PM

weltallica: [memedad.com image 500x499]


Which generation was that?
 
2014-01-23 03:02:55 PM

Reverend J: I've got a PhD in chemistry with experience  and I've been outta work for a year, so yeah, the market kinda sucks right now.

/Hundreds of applications
//Numerous interviews
///If you say "Oh, you're doing x wrong" or, "How 'bout you try y" I'll punch you in the face.


I think the real problem is you got a degree in science in a country that really doesn't seem to give a shiat about science.  My cousin and his wife both have science degrees and it took them quite awhile to find work after graduating. Good luck to you!
 
2014-01-23 03:14:39 PM
is this the thread where sad-sack mopes try to assign some sort of actual conscious intent on the part of demographic groupings as though those groupings were sentient entities?
 
2014-01-23 03:15:58 PM

llortcM_yllort: Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly, but it appears that the BLS (the source of the original data) defines labor productivity in such a way that the overhead is included in the labor number for their productivity calculations.


I'm pretty sure that's not the case.  Ever have a workplace/job who makes you bill out your time to specific projects, and explicitly state where your overhead is?  If you're a non-production worker, your percentage of overhead time in such a place will be very large.  If you're a production worker, your percentage of overhead time in such a place will be very small.

That link even talks about non-production time, and white-collar tasks, not being included.
 
2014-01-23 03:16:50 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: I'm sick and tired of my long-retired Yooper father-in-law ranting on and on about how the unemployed are less than human because they are lazy.

He was hired at a GM plant back in the late forties when he simply showed up one day and knocked on the door and asked for a job. Of course stayed there for 35 years before retiring. He refuses to hear that people need to be constantly searching for work because tomorrow you could be laid off and you need to be prepared.


i2.cdnds.net
 
2014-01-23 03:17:02 PM

letrole: is this the thread where sad-sack mopes try to assign some sort of actual conscious intent on the part of demographic groupings as though those groupings were sentient entities?


Corporations are people, my friend.
 
2014-01-23 03:17:58 PM

Slaxl: Economic mobility isn't the same thing as being unable to find a job as easily as their parents did.


Presumably if you can't find a job for a long period you experience downward mobility. And mobility hasn't changed.
 
2014-01-23 03:21:05 PM

alice_600: Okay subby here a slice of my Job serching life.

Today I found out about a furniture sales job. They are taking applications but not hiring anyone. How is that economic growth? How is that helping me move out on my own? How is this going to help me become an independent adult and getting a house? How subby? How?

It will only change when you make these people who take applications actually hire someone and not do the equivalent of trolling for souls.


So you tried one place and they didn't hire you so now you assume the whole world is broken?
 
2014-01-23 03:21:30 PM

Z-clipped: IamAwake: That gap doesn't go 100% to a shareholder/owner's pocket, or some such.

That's an interesting and clearly stated analysis, thanks.  I'm still trying to square it with this though:

[currydemocrats.org image 500x327]


llortcM_yllort: The gap does not go all to a shareholder's pocket, of course, but labor's share as a percentage of the national income is falling while the share of capital is rising.


You're both very correct, not disagreeing.  My point was only that the gap in that chart isn't 100% going to shareholders/owners/execs; there's a lot of new cost-of-doing-business inputs now.

That execs and owners are getting astronomically higher rates compared to the average worker now than they were before is related, sure, but doesn't cover that whole gap.
 
2014-01-23 03:22:32 PM

Z-clipped: yakmans_dad: brimed03: The Boomers pretty much suck as a generation, from kids who mostly got high to adults who sold out every ideal they supposedly had to parents who needed to be buddies with their kids to old people who refuse to retire and let the next generation get jobs.

I take it you're unfamiliar with the poem "This Be the Verse". Hopefully, after reading it, you won't have quite the same platitudinous anger you currently exhibit.

Pfff... typical Boomer.  "Studying poetry in college got me a great job, so it should work for you too."  ; )


Actually, studying computer programming in college got me a job. In my experience the only people who read much beyond cereal boxes are computer programmers. As a class, anyway. Computer programmers and  English Lit majors, anyway.
 
2014-01-23 03:24:14 PM

SpectroBoy: Slaxl: Economic mobility isn't the same thing as being unable to find a job as easily as their parents did.

Presumably if you can't find a job for a long period you experience downward mobility. And mobility hasn't changed.


The USA has considerably worse economic mobility than the "socialist" democracies of Western Europe.  Go figure. American rhetoric doesn't match the reality? No way.
 
2014-01-23 03:24:41 PM

SpectroBoy: And mobility hasn't changed.


Actually, since they're completely fudging the mobility numbers on the most recent generation based solely on education level and specifically not looking at job data, this is a far-from-settled point.
 
2014-01-23 03:27:20 PM

alice_600: Today I found out about a furniture sales job. They are taking applications but not hiring anyone.


As a manager I have been coached in this area. If I interview some dope who barely speaks English and stinks of body odor I can't say "No thanks, I am looking for a person who can communicate and doesn't make me want to puke". The applicant might be a member of a protected class and I might get the company in trouble. Instead we say "Well, there are other applicants to interview. We'll let you know". If they follow up it's "We have already filled the position". It's all one big stupid game.

Sounds like they just didn't want to hire you.
 
2014-01-23 03:28:14 PM

IamAwake: llortcM_yllort: Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly, but it appears that the BLS (the source of the original data) defines labor productivity in such a way that the overhead is included in the labor number for their productivity calculations.

I'm pretty sure that's not the case.  Ever have a workplace/job who makes you bill out your time to specific projects, and explicitly state where your overhead is?  If you're a non-production worker, your percentage of overhead time in such a place will be very large.  If you're a production worker, your percentage of overhead time in such a place will be very small.

That link even talks about non-production time, and white-collar tasks, not being included.


Except the BLS explicitly states that they estimate all hours vs all output, not just productive hours vs output.  They also explicitly say that they can't break down between blue-collar and white-collar productivity, so they don't.

I've also been looking for information on SG&A changes over time; since 1998, at least, it's remained pretty flat (as reported by S&P 500 companies), which still contrasts with rising productivity.  So, the argument fails on multiple fronts.
 
2014-01-23 03:28:46 PM

Z-clipped: SpectroBoy: And mobility hasn't changed.

Actually, since they're completely fudging the mobility numbers on the most recent generation based solely on education level and specifically not looking at job data, this is a far-from-settled point.


Fair point.

/but I was mostly kidding.
 
2014-01-23 03:29:06 PM

yakmans_dad: Actually, studying computer programming in college got me a job.


I was joking about the poetry thing.

yakmans_dad: In my experience the only people who read much beyond cereal boxes are computer programmers. As a class, anyway.


Pull the other one.
 
2014-01-23 03:35:59 PM

Z-clipped: yakmans_dad: Actually, studying computer programming in college got me a job.

I was joking about the poetry thing.

yakmans_dad: In my experience the only people who read much beyond cereal boxes are computer programmers. As a class, anyway.

Pull the other one.


Terrible haiku. It doesn't rhyme.
 
2014-01-23 03:44:07 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: No one is allowed to biatch about the state of the generation that comes after them.

You and your peers are the ones who raised and shaped the generation after you and you and your peers are the ones who created the world that they have to interact with.

What kind of asshole digs a hole, pushes someone from behind into said hole, and then blames that person for both the hole and being in it?

And no, jobs aren't as easy to come by anymore. There are less jobs to be had in general thanks to the Gen X and Boomer run corporations shipping jobs overseas and forcing the existing workforce to do the job of 2-3 people for no extra pay.

I used to work with guys who were 50-60 years old who were almost literally pulled off the street and told, "Here's what we're going to teach you to do from now on". That's how so many of the people who have 30+ years got those years. Today, for the exact same position as those coworkers I needed a college education and prior experience. I did the exact same work as they did. Actually, I did more work than them because they liked to sit back and do nothing because they "earned it".

Fewer and fewer employers are willing to train people nowadays. They want someone who is already fully trained and experienced. A couple of years ago I was looking for a new job. I'm a tradesman. Instrumentation, specifically. It's sort of a specialized electrician. I was looking for instrument and electrical jobs. virtually all of them that I found wanted 5+ years experience as a minimum. Others wanted 5+ as well as someone who is able to do 2-3 different trades and only was offering $15/hr or less. It's insane. Companies want fully trained, multi-talented people and aren't willing to pay much to get them.

Companies want skeleton crews who are all masters at their field. There's not much room in the current corporate structure for new employees, fresh grads, and/or trainees.

Another job that I had before were run with that skeleton crew mentality. 4 of ever ...


So much this.

I'm pretty sure the children who received participation medals weren't the ones who decided to hand them out.

Boomers instilled certain values and morals in their millennium children, and then the boomers have the audacity to complain about the values and morals the now grown children have.
 
2014-01-23 04:06:19 PM
I work two very different jobs, and i interact with millinials in both of them.  I think their reputation for whiny entitlement is kind of overblown.
 
2014-01-23 04:08:24 PM
 
2014-01-23 04:13:42 PM

Dr Dreidel: Reverend J: I've got a PhD in chemistry with experience  and I've been outta work for a year, so yeah, the market kinda sucks right now.

/Hundreds of applications
//Numerous interviews
///If you say "Oh, you're doing x wrong" or, "How 'bout you try y" I'll punch you in the face.

My dad got his PhD in chemistry in 1980, then spent a year looking for work. IIRC, he claimed he applied to 102 jobs, and got 104 rejection letters.

And then he worked for Exxon for 20 years - even offered to help clean up Hazelwood's Hazy Happenstance, but apparently they needed bookish chemists in NJ, not in AK.


My dad got his PhD in sociology in '69 had a tenured(not track; tenured position) before '72 (not sure exact timing but before I was born), my mom walked into a brokerage in 1980 asked for an informational interview and walked out with a job offer(undergrad degree in history), people that say it is not harder now are blow hards and have no idea what it is really like out there.

/Gen X
/Fark all of you
 
2014-01-23 04:16:39 PM

Z-clipped: ikanreed: The Bunyip: I'd thought the problem wasn't in finding a job but that Millennials felt they should be working 30 hours a week and making six figures after graduating college?

Yeah, no one thinks that.

However, I'd say that a lot of my cohort (I'm in my late 30s) were told by their Boomer parents "just go to college, and you'll do fine", because that was true for their generation.  They just didn't care/didn't realize that the policy decisions they were making to make their own lives easier were sucking the future economic lifeblood out of the middle class.


It's not just that, either. They shrugged at the changes that didn't make their lives immediately worse and let all the money get sucked up to the top tier. And here we are.
 
2014-01-23 04:31:14 PM

obenchainr: Except the BLS explicitly states that they estimate all hours vs all output, not just productive hours vs output.


From the link you gave:  "Productivity is measured by comparing the amount of goods and services produced with the inputs which were used in production. Labor productivity is the ratio of the output of goods and services to the labor hours devoted to the production of that output. "

Process improvement, HR, regulatory, etc - none of those things are involved in production.   They simply make production more efficient.

The reason it is a complicated thing to compute is because they don't just take every worker, and compare that to the output.  If they did as you are saying/thinking, then it would be an extremely simple, straight-forward task.
 
2014-01-23 04:36:57 PM

SpectroBoy: alice_600: Today I found out about a furniture sales job. They are taking applications but not hiring anyone.

As a manager I have been coached in this area. If I interview some dope who barely speaks English and stinks of body odor I can't say "No thanks, I am looking for a person who can communicate and doesn't make me want to puke". The applicant might be a member of a protected class and I might get the company in trouble. Instead we say "Well, there are other applicants to interview. We'll let you know". If they follow up it's "We have already filled the position". It's all one big stupid game.

Sounds like they just didn't want to hire you.


Resume farming is definitely a thing. In mortgage areas, they always want to maintain a thick stack of resumes so that if they need people fast, they can get on the phone and hire someone. Of course, when the work dies down, you get laid off.

I'm Gen-X. If I had to put up with what 20-30 year olds do now just to get ANY job, I would say enough of this cr*p and move to India or the middle East.
 
2014-01-23 04:40:14 PM
I never understood the hate for Millenials (I am 26 so I am one).

I have a job, got my masters, working up the ladder so to speak, etc. But I know others who are not so lucky in this ultra-competitive job market of ours. There's no need to shame and denigrate them.

I also don't understand why people freak out so much about the "Participation medals". I got those throughout my youth but I still knew I sucked at sports even with one. It only messed me up enough to join Fark and snark about everyone else.
 
2014-01-23 06:36:10 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The gf's little sister just got out of college. She's 25, has a masters in criminal psych, has never had a job (not even part time retail) and is applying for high level positions with federal agencies. So far no luck.


3.bp.blogspot.com

On the right is Reality. On the left is your gf's little sister.

The impact has just started. Soon you will have 'head-snap-back', then 'spray of spittle and blood', followed by 'loss of consciousness', wrapped up with 'impact with mat.'

Treasure every moment.
 
2014-01-23 06:50:20 PM

JungleBoogie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The gf's little sister just got out of college. She's 25, has a masters in criminal psych, has never had a job (not even part time retail) and is applying for high level positions with federal agencies. So far no luck.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x377]

On the right is Reality. On the left is your gf's little sister.

The impact has just started. Soon you will have 'head-snap-back', then 'spray of spittle and blood', followed by 'loss of consciousness', wrapped up with 'impact with mat.'

Treasure every moment.


All those muscles on the left? Those are the college degrees.
 
2014-01-23 07:08:23 PM

Superjew: I was a student assistant in the very early '90s when they started giving out awards and recognition certificates to everyone for anything.

I distinctly recall saying to a co-worker, "this will not end well".


You know, I'm a millennial, and I think handing out awards for attending is BS. Hey, Tater Jr. Your not special. You're a whiny little brat who gets below average grades because you have an IQ of 90 and spend most of the day jerking it in the bathroom. If you don't get into shape you know where you're gonna end up at age 30? Cleaning the bathrooms at TacoBell. Giving BJs to republican senators in cheap motel rooms. And that's if your lucky.
God, I wish my teachers gave that speech.
 
2014-01-23 07:12:02 PM
S-E-C! S-E-C!

Companion work by the Chetty team suggests that geography may be a critical factor in the pursuit of the American Dream. That research shows that some parts of the country, particularly the Southeast, have experienced persistently lower mobility over time than other parts, such as the Mountain West.
 
2014-01-23 07:56:47 PM
" ...Mountain West."

I assume this means Colorado so if you build nukes your fine.

Got it in 1983

/Wolverines!
 
2014-01-23 08:14:48 PM

SpectroBoy: alice_600: Okay subby here a slice of my Job serching life.

Today I found out about a furniture sales job. They are taking applications but not hiring anyone. How is that economic growth? How is that helping me move out on my own? How is this going to help me become an independent adult and getting a house? How subby? How?

It will only change when you make these people who take applications actually hire someone and not do the equivalent of trolling for souls.

So you tried one place and they didn't hire you so now you assume the whole world is broken?


Nope this has happened at all the places, department stores, businesses, etc. You see a sign that says "Help Wanted" or and add. You go to fill out the application and they say "We're taking applications but not hiring," Or you fill out an application and send your resume in and you never hear from them. It's like saying here's the house but you gotta have land for it," There was a great story in the N.Y. Times about HR departments calling people back for 3rd interviews 4th interviews 5th Interviews 6th interviews even. Making them do projects and then stealing the ideas. [1]

Read the comments too and you tell me how is that helping the economy? Tell me?

That there is why there is a ton of unemployment. It's H.R. committing psychological fraud while looking busy for the boss.

1. With Positions to Fill, Employers Wait for Perfection
By CATHERINE RAMPELL
New York Times Published: March 6, 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/business/economy/despite-job-vacan ci es-employers-shy-away-from-hiring.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx =1390525278-Z6MPf+jhbkfMEMQP24N7ZQ
 
2014-01-23 08:29:57 PM
OMW to go read TFA- I predict it's "there are plenty of minimum wage jobs to be had, so quit complaining".
 
2014-01-23 09:17:08 PM

alice_600: SpectroBoy: alice_600: Okay subby here a slice of my Job serching life.

Today I found out about a furniture sales job. They are taking applications but not hiring anyone. How is that economic growth? How is that helping me move out on my own? How is this going to help me become an independent adult and getting a house? How subby? How?

It will only change when you make these people who take applications actually hire someone and not do the equivalent of trolling for souls.

So you tried one place and they didn't hire you so now you assume the whole world is broken?

Nope this has happened at all the places, department stores, businesses, etc. You see a sign that says "Help Wanted" or and add. You go to fill out the application and they say "We're taking applications but not hiring," Or you fill out an application and send your resume in and you never hear from them. It's like saying here's the house but you gotta have land for it," There was a great story in the N.Y. Times about HR departments calling people back for 3rd interviews 4th interviews 5th Interviews 6th interviews even. Making them do projects and then stealing the ideas. [1]

Read the comments too and you tell me how is that helping the economy? Tell me?

That there is why there is a ton of unemployment. It's H.R. committing psychological fraud while looking busy for the boss.

1. With Positions to Fill, Employers Wait for Perfection
By CATHERINE RAMPELL
New York Times Published: March 6, 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/business/economy/despite-job-vacan ci es-employers-shy-away-from-hiring.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx =1390525278-Z6MPf+jhbkfMEMQP24N7ZQ


There's tons of unemployment because the American experiment has been started worldwide. Global trade and multinational companies means that many professions are being outsourced. Kids out of college can't get a job because too many of what used to be good jobs have migrated overseas. So if you want to have guaranteed employment you have to differentiate yourself. Is it fair? No, but crying and whining about the 1% won't help. The top 10% earn disproportionately more because they have careers that exploit global competition instead of the reverse.
 
2014-01-23 09:22:53 PM

Animatronik: alice_600: SpectroBoy: alice_600: Okay subby here a slice of my Job serching life.

Today I found out about a furniture sales job. They are taking applications but not hiring anyone. How is that economic growth? How is that helping me move out on my own? How is this going to help me become an independent adult and getting a house? How subby? How?

It will only change when you make these people who take applications actually hire someone and not do the equivalent of trolling for souls.

So you tried one place and they didn't hire you so now you assume the whole world is broken?

Nope this has happened at all the places, department stores, businesses, etc. You see a sign that says "Help Wanted" or and add. You go to fill out the application and they say "We're taking applications but not hiring," Or you fill out an application and send your resume in and you never hear from them. It's like saying here's the house but you gotta have land for it," There was a great story in the N.Y. Times about HR departments calling people back for 3rd interviews 4th interviews 5th Interviews 6th interviews even. Making them do projects and then stealing the ideas. [1]

Read the comments too and you tell me how is that helping the economy? Tell me?

That there is why there is a ton of unemployment. It's H.R. committing psychological fraud while looking busy for the boss.

1. With Positions to Fill, Employers Wait for Perfection
By CATHERINE RAMPELL
New York Times Published: March 6, 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/business/economy/despite-job-vacan ci es-employers-shy-away-from-hiring.html?adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx =1390525278-Z6MPf+jhbkfMEMQP24N7ZQ

There's tons of unemployment because the American experiment has been started worldwide. Global trade and multinational companies means that many professions are being outsourced. Kids out of college can't get a job because too many of what used to be good jobs have migrated overseas. So if you want to have guaranteed empl ...


or join the military
 
2014-01-23 09:29:52 PM
When I was growing up it was "do what makes you happy" "there's a place for everyone" and so on.  Now I'm 37 and I find out it's "don't have a STEM degree? well you're a farking moron who wasted your life"
 
2014-01-23 09:54:38 PM
This thread looks kinda hostile so here's a kitty and a duck.


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-01-23 10:19:01 PM

Bucky Katt: This thread looks kinda hostile so here's a kitty and a duck.


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"I know you're food, but what kind of food are you?"
 
2014-01-23 10:22:09 PM
Trail of Dead:
I'll try one more goddamn time:
There are way more employable people than available jobs.


Say it all you want.  doesn't make it true.
If you think repeating yourself makes it a fact you really haven't passed age two in reasoning skills.
 
2014-01-23 11:18:36 PM
Yep, nearly 200 posts of millenials screeching "It's not OUR fault, it's all SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT!"

/must make you feel like big internet tough guys, picking on old people like that
 
2014-01-24 12:22:05 AM

Animatronik: The top 10% earn disproportionately more because they have careers that exploit global competition people. instead of the reverse.


Fixed.
 
2014-01-24 03:45:42 AM
it's hard to have jobs when there's very little corporate competition.
 
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