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(Campus Reform)   If you were a professor at a major university during a shooting, what would you do? Lock the doors? Turn off the lights? The correct answer is: carry on as normal, ignore your students' concerns, and joke about having them tackle the shooter   (campusreform.org) divider line 139
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2014-01-23 11:49:59 AM  
Well, it worked. Nobody in the class was shotled.
 
2014-01-23 11:50:37 AM  
shooterls are almost as bad as the coips that arrest them
 
2014-01-23 11:52:40 AM  
And we're done herel.
 
2014-01-23 11:52:54 AM  
If one of his students did get shotl, the professor would look at one of his least achieving students and say, "Well the world needs ditch diggers too."
 
2014-01-23 11:52:54 AM  
Epic Pearl Clutching COUNTER!
 
2014-01-23 11:52:57 AM  
Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?
 
2014-01-23 11:54:34 AM  
Listening to the audiol on that link killed my eardrumsl.
 
2014-01-23 11:55:11 AM  
To make matters worse, the text messaging system was reportedly inconsistent. Though students were quickly alerted after the first shots were fired, they were told to "resume normal operations" less than thirty minutes later.

Looks like someone is going out of their way to be offended.  They were told to resume normal operations because the guy was caught...is there a minimum amount of time required for everyone to panic before an all-clear can be given?  An hour? Two? Do we need to cancel the entire day?  Grow a pair.

Oh, and in my days at university we could mostly come and go as we pleased (especially in a 400+ theater).  If you're scared...leave.  Nobody is stopping you.
 
2014-01-23 11:57:54 AM  

ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?


This. Despite all the variations on the British "Keep Calm and Carry On" signs, we seem to have forgotten just what that means.

There is also a big difference between a high school, where such a situation does require caution due to the small distances, and a college campus, where the incident might well be three miles away and have no chance of being anywhere near your classroom.
 
2014-01-23 11:59:54 AM  

ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?


We still tackle shooterls occasionally; off the top of my head Colin Ferguson comes to mind-

Passengers Michael O'Connor, Kevin Blum and Mark McEntee tackled Ferguson and pinned him to one of the train's seats.[15] Several other passengers ran forward to grab his arms and legs and help hold him pinned across a three-seat row with his head towards the window and legs towards the aisle.
 
2014-01-23 12:00:25 PM  
He might have had a little sumthin' sumthin' in his back pocket, if you know what I mean. No need to be skeered if you understand the 2nd Amendment
 
2014-01-23 12:00:47 PM  

ransack.: ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?

We still tackle shooterls occasionally; off the top of my head Colin Ferguson comes to mind-

Passengers Michael O'Connor, Kevin Blum and Mark McEntee tackled Ferguson and pinned him to one of the train's seats.[15] Several other passengers ran forward to grab his arms and legs and help hold him pinned across a three-seat row with his head towards the window and legs towards the aisle.


I think the Gabby Giffords shooter got tackled too.  As he was reloading but still counts if you ask me.
 
2014-01-23 12:04:03 PM  
A Heffasub or woozle is very confusel.
 
2014-01-23 12:04:31 PM  

lennavan: ransack.: ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?

We still tackle shooterls occasionally; off the top of my head Colin Ferguson comes to mind-

Passengers Michael O'Connor, Kevin Blum and Mark McEntee tackled Ferguson and pinned him to one of the train's seats.[15] Several other passengers ran forward to grab his arms and legs and help hold him pinned across a three-seat row with his head towards the window and legs towards the aisle.

I think the Gabby Giffords shooter got tackled too.  As he was reloading but still counts if you ask me.


Yes it totally does count because I inadvertently left off the sentence immediately preceeding what I quoted, which said

Ferguson had emptied two 15-round magazines during the shooting. While reloading his third magazine, somebody yelled, "Grab him!"[14]

But really when the hell else are you going to do it? Only an idiot would rush a guy while he's shootlingl
 
2014-01-23 12:04:57 PM  
lol
 
2014-01-23 12:05:40 PM  
On one hand if he was trying to keep his students calm, I can  sort of see what he was trying to do, and even if they train professors in what to do its possible that this was his "freeze in the headlights" reaction.

But still, this comes across as SUPER RETARDED. If this wasnt actually some kind of nervous reaction than what the fark was he thinking?
 
2014-01-23 12:05:57 PM  
Reading that site just makes me realize how much universities suck these days.

Not just the article in question, but the others all over the page.
 
2014-01-23 12:06:12 PM  
Some profs have some serious tunnel vision and think the universe revolves around them and their class.
 
2014-01-23 12:07:00 PM  

Alebak: On one hand if he was trying to keep his students calm, I can  sort of see what he was trying to do, and even if they train professors in what to do its possible that this was his "freeze in the headlights" reaction.

But still, this comes across as SUPER RETARDED. If this wasnt actually some kind of nervous reaction than what the fark was he thinking?


Whoop "Her"

I farked up
 
2014-01-23 12:08:25 PM  
I would rather occupy them them instead of having them panic like a herd of elephants and trample each other to the halls where someone might be waiting to shoot them.

/kudos prof.
 
2014-01-23 12:09:13 PM  
Wow. What were they using to recordl the audio for that, a prototype phonograph?
 
2014-01-23 12:10:34 PM  
"In a video posted to YouTube Tuesday evening, lecturer Rebecca Trax is reportedly heard joking about the shooting "

It's a chick?  Oh please God.  Let her have tenure already.
 
2014-01-23 12:12:15 PM  
"Tackle the shooter" is the right idea but "wait till they're reloading" isn't.

Barricade in place, get ready to throw some shiat - if they still get in to the room throw and follow through zerg rush style.

Yep, some people are still going to get shot and probably die, fewer than if you sit there and wait for reloading to begin.
 
2014-01-23 12:13:28 PM  
Why didn't the coips do anything to stop the shooterl?

AngryDragon: "In a video posted to YouTube Tuesday evening, lecturer Rebecca Trax is reportedly heard joking about the shooting "

It's a chick?  Oh please God.  Let her have tenure already.


webapps.krannert.purdue.edu

That.....is no chick. Not even sure it's a man either. It's like one of nature's prototypes, never meant for mass production.
 
2014-01-23 12:13:42 PM  
It's college. Nobody's keeping you there. Let anyone who wants to leave go, lock the doors, then continue your lecture and make sure something from that day makes the final.
 
2014-01-23 12:14:05 PM  

Alebak: Alebak: On one hand if he was trying to keep his students calm, I can  sort of see what he was trying to do, and even if they train professors in what to do its possible that this was his "freeze in the headlights" reaction.

But still, this comes across as SUPER RETARDED. If this wasnt actually some kind of nervous reaction than what the fark was he thinking?

Whoop "Her"

I farked up


Actually, there were several proffesorsl who realized this was just a regular ol' everyday non-mass one-victim personal murder that happened to take place on campus, of both genders.
 
2014-01-23 12:15:47 PM  
Why'd you fix the headlinel?
 
2014-01-23 12:15:55 PM  

ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but counter to the desires of freepers, not every student on campus is armed with a 9mm machine gun or light anti tank rifle, and MOST are not engaged in trench warfare of attrition.

Most are, in fact, completely unarmed civilians with no training who are simply fish in a barrel for a gunman with any sense.

So rather than congregate them in a hundred small rooms where they could be isolated and killed fairly easily, they are evacuated and held in a fairly central location to clear the school of targets.

But no, clearly the solution is to charge the gunman bare handed waving your raging cock like a rhino horn.
 
2014-01-23 12:16:15 PM  
Seems proof that as a culture, we can become inured to anything.
 
2014-01-23 12:17:20 PM  

kroonermanblack: ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but counter to the desires of freepers, not every student on campus is armed with a 9mm machine gun or light anti tank rifle, and MOST are not engaged in trench warfare of attrition.

Most are, in fact, completely unarmed civilians with no training who are simply fish in a barrel for a gunman with any sense.

So rather than congregate them in a hundred small rooms where they could be isolated and killed fairly easily, they are evacuated and held in a fairly central location to clear the school of targets.

But no, clearly the solution is to charge the gunman bare handed waving your raging cock like a rhino horn.


Yes, but hiding doesn't do any good.  You can get shot either way.  Arming more students is a good way to increase the number of violent deaths without affecting the number of mass shooters, though.
 
2014-01-23 12:19:18 PM  
Please, who didn't have the die hard college professor that would delay or cancel class for anything.  I am not surprised by this.
 
2014-01-23 12:22:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Why didn't the coips do anything to stop the shooterl?

AngryDragon: "In a video posted to YouTube Tuesday evening, lecturer Rebecca Trax is reportedly heard joking about the shooting "

It's a chick?  Oh please God.  Let her have tenure already.

[webapps.krannert.purdue.edu image 129x192]

That.....is no chick. Not even sure it's a man either. It's like one of nature's prototypes, never meant for mass production.


Please post a picture of yourself, o paragon of manhood.
 
2014-01-23 12:22:44 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Reading that site just makes me realize how much universities suck these days.

Not just the article in question, but the others all over the page.


There's no way that site is totally biased against higher ed.  Nope.
 
2014-01-23 12:23:09 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: To make matters worse, the text messaging system was reportedly inconsistent. Though students were quickly alerted after the first shots were fired, they were told to "resume normal operations" less than thirty minutes later.

Looks like someone is going out of their way to be offended.  They were told to resume normal operations because the guy was caught...is there a minimum amount of time required for everyone to panic before an all-clear can be given?  An hour? Two? Do we need to cancel the entire day?  Grow a pair.

Oh, and in my days at university we could mostly come and go as we pleased (especially in a 400+ theater).  If you're scared...leave.  Nobody is stopping you.


That is not how things work during a lockdown.
 
2014-01-23 12:23:19 PM  

ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?



In my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow just to get shot at by an engineering student.
 
2014-01-23 12:24:24 PM  
Don't shootl me, bro.
 
2014-01-23 12:26:08 PM  

FraggleStickCar: TV's Vinnie: Why didn't the coips do anything to stop the shooterl?

AngryDragon: "In a video posted to YouTube Tuesday evening, lecturer Rebecca Trax is reportedly heard joking about the shooting "

It's a chick?  Oh please God.  Let her have tenure already.

[webapps.krannert.purdue.edu image 129x192]

That.....is no chick. Not even sure it's a man either. It's like one of nature's prototypes, never meant for mass production.

Please post a picture of yourself, o paragon of manhood.


You first, you statue of a Greek God.
 
2014-01-23 12:26:49 PM  

LazarusLong42: ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?

This. Despite all the variations on the British "Keep Calm and Carry On" signs, we seem to have forgotten just what that means.


Prudence has always been considered a virtue. If you have a chance to not die needlessly, you don't choose to die needlessly. Students at a college are not soldiers in a war. It pays to be smart. The British sent their kids to the countryside during the Blitz and went to bomb shelters during the raids, remember. When you can prudently reduce the risk to yourself, you do. In a situation like this, not reducing the risk to yourself isn't noble, it's just stupid.
 
2014-01-23 12:28:24 PM  

TV's Vinnie: FraggleStickCar: TV's Vinnie: Why didn't the coips do anything to stop the shooterl?

AngryDragon: "In a video posted to YouTube Tuesday evening, lecturer Rebecca Trax is reportedly heard joking about the shooting "

It's a chick?  Oh please God.  Let her have tenure already.

[webapps.krannert.purdue.edu image 129x192]

That.....is no chick. Not even sure it's a man either. It's like one of nature's prototypes, never meant for mass production.

Please post a picture of yourself, o paragon of manhood.

You first, you statue of a Greek God.


Glass houses dude. You're the one who insulted somebody else's appearance. Put up or shut up.
 
2014-01-23 12:30:51 PM  

ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?


All those brave men's wives got knocked up by those sniveling cowards while they were off dying gallantly
 
2014-01-23 12:32:29 PM  

TV's Vinnie: FraggleStickCar: TV's Vinnie: Why didn't the coips do anything to stop the shooterl?

AngryDragon: "In a video posted to YouTube Tuesday evening, lecturer Rebecca Trax is reportedly heard joking about the shooting "

It's a chick?  Oh please God.  Let her have tenure already.

[webapps.krannert.purdue.edu image 129x192]

That.....is no chick. Not even sure it's a man either. It's like one of nature's prototypes, never meant for mass production.

Please post a picture of yourself, o paragon of manhood.

You first, you statue of a Greek God.


Will you two get a room already?
 
2014-01-23 12:33:01 PM  

LazarusLong42: ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?

This. Despite all the variations on the British "Keep Calm and Carry On" signs, we seem to have forgotten just what that means.


Even the British 'cowered' in their bomb shelters when the bombs were falling.
 
2014-01-23 12:33:42 PM  

shanrick: lol


loll
 
2014-01-23 12:37:03 PM  

AngryDragon: TV's Vinnie: FraggleStickCar: TV's Vinnie: Why didn't the coips do anything to stop the shooterl?

AngryDragon: "In a video posted to YouTube Tuesday evening, lecturer Rebecca Trax is reportedly heard joking about the shooting "

It's a chick?  Oh please God.  Let her have tenure already.

[webapps.krannert.purdue.edu image 129x192]

That.....is no chick. Not even sure it's a man either. It's like one of nature's prototypes, never meant for mass production.

Please post a picture of yourself, o paragon of manhood.

You first, you statue of a Greek God.

Will you two get a room already?


They're just good friends.

i184.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-23 12:38:01 PM  
Would be fun to see the proffs reaction to someone bursting in class and blasting them with paintballs.
 
2014-01-23 12:39:18 PM  

cptjeff: LazarusLong42: ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?

This. Despite all the variations on the British "Keep Calm and Carry On" signs, we seem to have forgotten just what that means.

Prudence has always been considered a virtue. If you have a chance to not die needlessly, you don't choose to die needlessly. Students at a college are not soldiers in a war. It pays to be smart. The British sent their kids to the countryside during the Blitz and went to bomb shelters during the raids, remember. When you can prudently reduce the risk to yourself, you do. In a situation like this, not reducing the risk to yourself isn't noble, it's just stupid.


Of course, but IIRC during the VT shootingls only one person actually tried to stop the shooter, an old professor. Everyone else just lined up for target practice. If they would have rushed him, less people may have died.

/hope I'd have the balls to jump the shooter
//at least throw some 5V power supplies at him
///hope I never get to find out
 
2014-01-23 12:39:29 PM  
The professor did EXACTLY the right thing.
 
2014-01-23 12:41:07 PM  

cptjeff: LazarusLong42: ikanreed: Continuing in the face of danger was considered noble in WWII.  When did useless cowering that protects no one become the favored tactic?

This. Despite all the variations on the British "Keep Calm and Carry On" signs, we seem to have forgotten just what that means.

Prudence has always been considered a virtue. If you have a chance to not die needlessly, you don't choose to die needlessly. Students at a college are not soldiers in a war. It pays to be smart. The British sent their kids to the countryside during the Blitz and went to bomb shelters during the raids, remember. When you can prudently reduce the risk to yourself, you do. In a situation like this, not reducing the risk to yourself isn't noble, it's just stupid.


Shelter in place, aka cower in fear, is not the way to reduce risk to yourself.

If there's an active shooter in a place that i'm visiting, there's no way in hell i'm staying in one spot like a fish in a bucket.  I'm getting out of that area ASAP if the opportunity presents itself.
 
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2014-01-23 12:42:26 PM  
I work two buildings away in Purdue's Physics building.  It is attached to the EE building by tunnels (though another building).  There on Northwestern street it forms a kind of complex area and connected to a parking garage across the street.  So, basically I was 200 yards or so from where this all took place.

Even so, we pretty much went about our work here.  In retrospect, it was for a number of reasons.  One was the "well, it's not happening in MY building" attitude.  Another was that I'm in a place that can't hear the sirens we have here for such emergencies.

The Purdue police have been pretty positive about the response, but I have already heard grumblings from faculty here.  The faculty DID NOT know what was going on.  Most of them heard it from their students (and some faculty won't listen to students about anything).  It took 45 minutes to an hour to find out what was happening from our web page and we've got a significant number of oldsters on staff that are lucky to even use a computer at all.  So... there were problems.  I suspect everything plays a role (including the ego of the faculty member).
 
2014-01-23 12:43:48 PM  
I love being a professor.  I love teaching undergrads, and being paid to study things that I'm passionate about.  But I absolutely farking hate the high percentage of social misfits this line of work attracts.  The only time I ever think about finding another job is when I walk out of a faculty meeting.
 
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