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(Guardian)   USA rugby kicks off their campaign to win a gold medal at the upcoming Olympics. As if   (theguardian.com) divider line 26
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2014-01-23 10:35:23 AM  
I think they'll win gold by default, since rugby isn't a winter event and no other teams will show up
 
2014-01-23 11:07:39 AM  
Player turnover must be a biatch to keep up with.

/rugby players eat their dead
//former hooker, now old and easily breakable
 
2014-01-23 11:15:45 AM  
There should be snow rugby and ice rugby
 
2014-01-23 11:24:25 AM  
I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing
 
2014-01-23 11:27:32 AM  
It annoys me that rugby refs use those weird lower-pitch whistles
 
2014-01-23 11:36:12 AM  
It's a long shot, but they should have gone with Rugby 10s. It's still a short game (10 mins/half) and still wide-open compared to proper union, but you get just a bit more potential for forward play, and it's not dominated by the usual suspects.
 
2014-01-23 12:05:22 PM  
Seeing as how we're the reigning back-to-back Olympic champions and have been for ninety years, I make us favorites for 2016.
 
2014-01-23 12:24:11 PM  

NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing


A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).
 
2014-01-23 12:45:40 PM  
I love how USA Rugby loves to promote their new slogan "work for it" alongside Carlin Isles, who absolutely has not "worked for it" at all.  Nothing against him personally, but his involvement on the team represents everything that is wrong with USA Rugby as an organization.
 
2014-01-23 12:57:14 PM  

Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).


7's is great for back play but the full version also needs heavy duty forwards and defensive tactics that can only be learned from the full game.

Just look at Fiji. Breathtaking in 7's but get steamrollered in the 15 man game because the forwards and defence are not up to it.
 
2014-01-23 12:59:19 PM  

Scythed: Seeing as how we're the reigning back-to-back Olympic champions and have been for ninety years, I make us favorites for 2016.


.... 2016 will be the first year they have 7's in the Olympics.
 
2014-01-23 01:07:45 PM  

Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).

7's is great for back play but the full version also needs heavy duty forwards and defensive tactics that can only be learned from the full game.

Just look at Fiji. Breathtaking in 7's but get steamrollered in the 15 man game because the forwards and defence are not up to it.


They are still building up teams here, some colleges are starting to have real teams since it looks like something they can sell.

Personally I think rugby will be the most popular sport in the future, all it takes a field and a ball not to mention it quenches Americans thirst for violence and action.
 
2014-01-23 01:22:54 PM  

steamingpile: Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).

7's is great for back play but the full version also needs heavy duty forwards and defensive tactics that can only be learned from the full game.

Just look at Fiji. Breathtaking in 7's but get steamrollered in the 15 man game because the forwards and defence are not up to it.

They are still building up teams here, some colleges are starting to have real teams since it looks like something they can sell.

Personally I think rugby will be the most popular sport in the future, all it takes a field and a ball not to mention it quenches Americans thirst for violence and action.


It really hasn't been that long since almost every college rugby team - and same for the men's club level - was a drinking team that occasionally played rugby.  Unfortunately the perception is still not gone - check out what happened to a promising University of Delaware club when a party only tangentially related to the rugby club got slightly out of hand.  But the exposure that 7s is getting both on the national team level and the CRCs is helping to promote that the young rugby players are actually trying to play a sport at a high level.  The olympics will only help grow that perception.

Of course as others have said in this thread 15s is a much better game, but it doesn't work for quick two-week tournaments like the Olypmics when there are so many teams involved.
 
2014-01-23 01:39:19 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: steamingpile: Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).

7's is great for back play but the full version also needs heavy duty forwards and defensive tactics that can only be learned from the full game.

Just look at Fiji. Breathtaking in 7's but get steamrollered in the 15 man game because the forwards and defence are not up to it.

They are still building up teams here, some colleges are starting to have real teams since it looks like something they can sell.

Personally I think rugby will be the most popular sport in the future, all it takes a field and a ball not to mention it quenches Americans thirst for violence and action.

It really hasn't been that long since almost every college rugby team - and same for the men's club level - was a drinking team that occasionally played rugby.  Unfortunately the perception is still not gone - check out what happened to a promising University of Delaware club when a party only tangentially related to the rugby club got slightly out of hand.  But the exposure that 7s is getting both on the national team level and the CRCs is helping to promote that the young rugby players are actually trying to play a sport at a high level.  The olympics will only help grow that perception.

Of course as others have said in this thread 15s is a much better game, but it doesn't work for quick two-week tournaments like the Olypmics when there are so many teams involved.


Yeah I know how rugby used to be but colleges are seeing people drawn to it and they feel women's teams can also be fielded which helps them as well. The colleges just had their last tournament televized and were shocked at the ratings even though it had zero marketing.

It caught on quicker than soccer ever has which is not surprising since it has more perceived action to the casual fan, which is what you have to pull in to be profitable.
 
2014-01-23 01:42:03 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I love how USA Rugby loves to promote their new slogan "work for it" alongside Carlin Isles, who absolutely has not "worked for it" at all.  Nothing against him personally, but his involvement on the team represents everything that is wrong with USA Rugby as an organization.


What about Dan Lyle?
 
2014-01-23 02:14:31 PM  

Pentaxian: AdmirableSnackbar: I love how USA Rugby loves to promote their new slogan "work for it" alongside Carlin Isles, who absolutely has not "worked for it" at all.  Nothing against him personally, but his involvement on the team represents everything that is wrong with USA Rugby as an organization.

What about Dan Lyle?


Call me biased, but I feel differently about someone who not only plays 7s but plays 15s as well - and furthermore is a forward in 15s.  It takes a ton more commitment to do that than it does to go from sprinter to 7s player.  Once Lyle found the sport he became a rugby player.  The jury is still out on Isles, but I just see him as an opportunist who is using 7s to gain exposure for himself.  And if USA Rugby is going to adopt the slogan "work for it" they should at least promote someone like Zack Test who has been involved with the national team for many years and is one of the best in the world at 7s.  Isles hasn't worked for shiat in terms of rugby, but he's their poster boy.  Until USA Rugby becomes more about developing rugby talent instead of politics it's going to continue to lose ground on the international stage.
 
2014-01-23 04:04:22 PM  
I love rugby thou I NBC's ref cam during the 7's tourney is possibly one of the worst ideas in the history of sports.

Would love to see its exposure grow some more,
 
2014-01-23 04:31:07 PM  

Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).


Chalk? Oh wait - chock-full...
 
2014-01-23 04:51:11 PM  

Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).

7's is great for back play but the full version also needs heavy duty forwards and defensive tactics that can only be learned from the full game.

Just look at Fiji. Breathtaking in 7's but get steamrollered in the 15 man game because the forwards and defence are not up to it.


There is no reason why any Union rugby player from the back row through the backs (two-thirds of the team) would not benefit from 7s. As I mentioned, Liam Messam played 7s and won two Commonwealth golds. Ardie Savea has extensive 7s experience. Back row players can and do benefit from the 7s game. And no one ever doubted the steel of Chris Masoe or Rodney So'oialo (both Commonwealth gold winners) in the pack.

That Fiji isn't a top 8 team isn't because they have some success in (and dedicate resources to) 7s, it's because tiny countries have problem establishing depth in the forwards.
 
2014-01-23 04:53:53 PM  

ukexpat: Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).

Chalk? Oh wait - chock-full...


Is it chock-full? I mean to type "chuck full".

OK, the All Blacks have a lot of former 7s players.
 
2014-01-23 05:29:57 PM  

Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).


Cory Jane's speed is insane.
 
2014-01-23 05:36:35 PM  

Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).


I am not saying that it's not. It's just that I am disappointed that it seems more and more 7s is becoming the defacto face of Rugby at least in the US at the expense of 15s
 
2014-01-23 06:25:06 PM  

Moopy Mac: Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).

7's is great for back play but the full version also needs heavy duty forwards and defensive tactics that can only be learned from the full game.

Just look at Fiji. Breathtaking in 7's but get steamrollered in the 15 man game because the forwards and defence are not up to it.

There is no reason why any Union rugby player from the back row through the backs (two-thirds of the team) would not benefit from 7s. As I mentioned, Liam Messam played 7s and won two Commonwealth golds. Ardie Savea has extensive 7s experience. Back row players can and do benefit from the 7s game. And no one ever doubted the steel of Chris Masoe or Rodney So'oialo (both Commonwealth gold winners) in the pack.

That Fiji isn't a top 8 team isn't because they have some success in (and dedicate resources to) 7s, it's because tiny countries have problem establishing depth in the forwards.


While alot of the team might get some benifit from playing 7's, the bread and butter of the forwards has nothing to do with the 7's game. If the back row can't compete at the breakdown and the front row can't scrummage then the game will be lost and no amount of running and ball handling skills will help. The one thing that most people overlook about the All Blacks is how good they are at the basic forward skills. The back row is led by Richie McCaw who can slow down and steal ball like no one else in the world while even the Saffa's and English can't get one over in the scrum. That gives the platform for the backs to be able to look world beating.
 
2014-01-23 06:57:03 PM  

Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).

7's is great for back play but the full version also needs heavy duty forwards and defensive tactics that can only be learned from the full game.

Just look at Fiji. Breathtaking in 7's but get steamrollered in the 15 man game because the forwards and defence are not up to it.

There is no reason why any Union rugby player from the back row through the backs (two-thirds of the team) would not benefit from 7s. As I mentioned, Liam Messam played 7s and won two Commonwealth golds. Ardie Savea has extensive 7s experience. Back row players can and do benefit from the 7s game. And no one ever doubted the steel of Chris Masoe or Rodney So'oialo (both Commonwealth gold winners) in the pack.

That Fiji isn't a top 8 team isn't because they have some success in (and dedicate resources to) 7s, it's because tiny countries have problem establishing depth in the forwards.

While alot of the team might get some benifit from playing 7's, the bread and butter of the forwards has nothing to do with the 7's game. If the back row can't compete at the breakdown and the front row can't scrummage then the game will be lost and no amount of running and ball handling skills will help. The one thing that most people overlook about the All Blacks is how good they are at the basic forward skills. The back row is led by Richie McCaw who can slow down and steal ball like no one else in the world while even the Saffa's and English can't get one over in the scrum. That gives the platform for the backs to be able to look world beating.


I'd argue that the basic forward skills of the ABs are their greatest weakness. The emergence of Whitlock (and to a lesser extent Romano and Retallick) has c
 
2014-01-23 07:03:41 PM  

Moopy Mac: Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: Norfolking Chance: Moopy Mac: NuttierThanEver: I don't care much of Sevens I would prefer USA Rugby concentrate on fielding a team for the World Cup that cant be beaten by your average primary school team from New Zealand or South Africa. Freaking embarassing

A successful 7s team should go hand-in-hand with success at the Union level. The All Blacks are chalk full of former 7s players (from Messam to Cory Jane to Izzie to Ben Smith).

7's is great for back play but the full version also needs heavy duty forwards and defensive tactics that can only be learned from the full game.

Just look at Fiji. Breathtaking in 7's but get steamrollered in the 15 man game because the forwards and defence are not up to it.

There is no reason why any Union rugby player from the back row through the backs (two-thirds of the team) would not benefit from 7s. As I mentioned, Liam Messam played 7s and won two Commonwealth golds. Ardie Savea has extensive 7s experience. Back row players can and do benefit from the 7s game. And no one ever doubted the steel of Chris Masoe or Rodney So'oialo (both Commonwealth gold winners) in the pack.

That Fiji isn't a top 8 team isn't because they have some success in (and dedicate resources to) 7s, it's because tiny countries have problem establishing depth in the forwards.

While alot of the team might get some benifit from playing 7's, the bread and butter of the forwards has nothing to do with the 7's game. If the back row can't compete at the breakdown and the front row can't scrummage then the game will be lost and no amount of running and ball handling skills will help. The one thing that most people overlook about the All Blacks is how good they are at the basic forward skills. The back row is led by Richie McCaw who can slow down and steal ball like no one else in the world while even the Saffa's and English can't get one over in the scrum. That gives the platform for the backs to be able to look world beating.

...


I'd argue that the basic forward skills of the ABs are their greatest weakness, or at least where they are most human. The emergence of Whitlock (and to a lesser extent Romano and Retallick) has closed the gap among the locks (and with Read, the line out), but their front row (and scrum) generally seems to just try to tread water against teams like SA and England (and France when the pressure is on).

And we all know no one overlooks the ball skills of McCaw. I think Wales prints more words complaining about his infringements than that do about politics.

But again, I really don't think investing in a successful 7s program will have net negative repercussions on USA Rugby.
 
2014-01-23 07:41:19 PM  
I like 7s as a sport to play and to watch. It isn't the joy that is the 15 man game, but it is a great way to spend a weekend. I don't think a country needs a 15 man team to be able to compete in 7s but it probably helps to have a rugby culture.

If team USA need a warmup game or two, the Smashed Crabs stand ready and willing to show them the finer points of the game. We are currently in the lead-up to our assault on the Hottest 7s this weekend. And by lead-up and assault I mean, I am currently at work and only know one member of my team but will meet the rest about an hour before our first game.

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\not sure we would be a threat to team USA
\\but I would love to see them at a tournament like this
\\\chock full of ex-Aussie & ex-Fijian national 7s players
///usually a few future Fijian players there too
//I'm just there for a few new injury stories
/and perhaps the beer
 
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