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(Slate)   Scientists have discovered what that extra delicious flavor that smoking and grilling imparts upon meat actually is: Cancer. *shrug* Meh, OK   (slate.com) divider line 96
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2014-01-23 11:21:19 AM  
They've known this for years.  That's what makes it taste good.  I like to char the shiat out of hot dogs on the grill for double cancer goodness.
 
2014-01-23 11:21:19 AM  
Old news is old.
 
2014-01-23 11:22:33 AM  
Your dog wants cancer.
 
2014-01-23 11:22:34 AM  
Tasty, tasty cancer.
 
2014-01-23 11:23:56 AM  
That ain't new.  We all know joy causes cancer.
 
2014-01-23 11:23:59 AM  
In similar, breaking news: water tends to be somewhat damp.
 
2014-01-23 11:24:17 AM  
FROM MY WARM GREASY HANDS!
 
2014-01-23 11:25:21 AM  
Happy to see all the bases covered.

I'll have cancer, with a side of cancer please.

/char the fark outta that great strip of fat down the side of my steak
//and hot dogs/sausages
///and corn
 
2014-01-23 11:25:28 AM  
FTFA: The worrying implication is that cooking foods at high heat, even without active combustion, may be dangerous.

I might consider it worth my grill to watch microwaves being outlawed.

MIGHT.
In a fleeting moment of rage at someone who tried to microwave something stupid.
 
2014-01-23 11:25:59 AM  
Don't care, had BBQ.
 
2014-01-23 11:26:33 AM  
So, eat your chicken raw. Botulism and intestinal parasites are good for you!
 
2014-01-23 11:26:54 AM  
it's called the Maillard (Maillerd?) reaction

/thanks Heston
 
Bf+
2014-01-23 11:27:08 AM  

abfalter: Your dog wants cancer.


Thread over.
 
2014-01-23 11:27:10 AM  
In my opinion, it's pushy scientists that cause cancer.
 
2014-01-23 11:27:50 AM  
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2014-01-23 11:28:26 AM  
Then why weren't people dying of cancer in huge numbers prior to modern day grilling techniques?  Haven't humans been eating cook meat for thousands of years?
 
2014-01-23 11:30:02 AM  
So we boil everything now?    Sous Vide?  Meh.

you can pry my smoker, grill and fryer from my cold dead hands.
 
2014-01-23 11:31:02 AM  
I might be worried if humans hadn't been grilling meat for at least the last 125,000 years.

I'm just going to have to take my chances.
 
2014-01-23 11:31:18 AM  

flynn80: Then why weren't people dying of cancer in huge numbers prior to modern day grilling techniques?  Haven't humans been eating cook meat for thousands of years?


I guess that cancer, on average, is a disease of older people.  If we all lived to be 300, we'd all die of it.  People are living long enough for the cumulative effect of genetic damage to kill you.
 
2014-01-23 11:31:42 AM  

flynn80: Then why weren't people dying of cancer in huge numbers prior to modern day grilling techniques?  Haven't humans been eating cook meat for thousands of years?


This cook would appreciate that
thumbs.dreamstime.com
 
2014-01-23 11:31:50 AM  
www.metamucil.ca

The key is not to leave the smoked/bbq/burnt meat in your intestines for an extended period of time.

Its all about Frequent Elimination
 
2014-01-23 11:33:31 AM  
Bring on the cancer.
 
2014-01-23 11:33:32 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: [www.metamucil.ca image 524x385]

The key is not to leave the smoked/bbq/burnt meat in your intestines for an extended period of time.

Its all about Frequent Elimination


fanciest word for pooping ive heard in a while
 
2014-01-23 11:35:09 AM  
Hippies have been selling the "america eats animals and it is unsustainable" for decades, and now Slate comes along with this article... shocker.

It is amazing that they found that hidden correlation that

EVERY

SINGLE

PERSON

who has gotten cancer, has also eaten food.  Food causes cancer.  The science is settled.
 
2014-01-23 11:37:00 AM  
Yeah, cooking tends to do that. The tradeoff is you don't shiat yourself to death before you reach cancer age.

/ yes, boiling and steaming I know, I know
// cancer-free dim sum diet anyone?
 
2014-01-23 11:38:07 AM  

flucto: If it was good enough for great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-...

Grandad Ogg it's good enough for me.

^^^THIS^^^...because fark you, scienticians!
 
2014-01-23 11:39:20 AM  
if god wanted us to eat uncooked food, he would have made them raw....now my goldfish looks like a snack.

isn't this just another reason for cannibalism !
 
2014-01-23 11:39:31 AM  

mike_d85: FTFA: The worrying implication is that cooking foods at high heat, even without active combustion, may be dangerous.

I might consider it worth my grill to watch microwaves being outlawed.

MIGHT.
In a fleeting moment of rage at someone who tried to microwave something stupid.


Well, Bloomberg missed his chance at this one.  It could have been another thing to ban "for the children"

also, if you haven't had a microwaved milksteak, you just don't know what you are missing.
 
2014-01-23 11:40:25 AM  

ko_kyi: flynn80: Then why weren't people dying of cancer in huge numbers prior to modern day grilling techniques?  Haven't humans been eating cook meat for thousands of years?

I guess that cancer, on average, is a disease of older people.  If we all lived to be 300, we'd all die of it.  People are living long enough for the cumulative effect of genetic damage to kill you.


People are living longer, so now they're more likely to die of old-person cancer when they're old.

THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!
 
2014-01-23 11:42:21 AM  

flucto: If it was good enough for great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grea t-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gr eat-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-gre ...


Yeah, but his son knew better and went vegan.

/jk
 
2014-01-23 11:43:34 AM  
The only people that would care about this, are the PETA types, Vegan types, and
low information idiot crowd.

i16.photobucket.com

Everyone else will be going nom nom nom nom nom
 
2014-01-23 11:45:52 AM  
I'll go to my cancery grave with tendrils of grilled meats stuck between my teeth, animal fats dripping from my elbows and an awesome case of food sweats.
Fark you, Slate. Fark you and the delicious Black Angus you rode in on.
 
2014-01-23 11:47:24 AM  
Meh, just eat a variety of foods.  Half of them probably cause cancer, and the other half cure it (with the effects being infinitesimal in either direction).  On average, you'll balance out.
 
2014-01-23 11:49:24 AM  
FTA: "None of these studies is definitive. It's possible that other variables account for the correlations between cancer and cooking over a flame or at high heat"
There is the problem, high heat is stupid. Grill those Baby Back Ribs at 225 for 2 1/2 hours with apple wood for smoke (since it is low heat the apple wood smoke is good for you). I use a dry rub (no cancer correlations with that) and sometimes add a good BBQ sauce on some of them 10 minutes before I take them off. Let the ribs rest for 20 minutes (to let any possible cancer causing compounds to breakdown) and serve.
 
2014-01-23 11:50:06 AM  
PAHs... the tastiest contaminant.

\deals with PAHs frequently
\\sadly, in soil and groundwater, not delicious barbecued meat
 
2014-01-23 11:50:24 AM  
I like how they spend half the article going over the historical association between cigarettes and cancer, which is practically irrelevant.

"Things that are widely accepted to be true now were at one point not widely accepted."
 
2014-01-23 11:51:57 AM  
 
2014-01-23 11:55:09 AM  
BOIL ALL THE MEATS!
 
2014-01-23 11:58:14 AM  
Ok, it causes liver and stomach cancers.  Let's look at this in context.

About 21,600 cases of stomach cancer will be diagnosed (7.2 people per 100K)

About 30,640 new cases will be diagnosed (10.2 people per 100K)

These are not exactly common compared to others.  For reference about 230K women will be diagnosed with breast cancer (153 per 100K women) and 238K men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer (158 per 100K men).
 
2014-01-23 11:59:05 AM  

DreamSnipers: FTA: "None of these studies is definitive. It's possible that other variables account for the correlations between cancer and cooking over a flame or at high heat"
There is the problem, high heat is stupid. Grill those Baby Back Ribs at 225 for 2 1/2 hours with apple wood for smoke (since it is low heat the apple wood smoke is good for you). I use a dry rub (no cancer correlations with that) and sometimes add a good BBQ sauce on some of them 10 minutes before I take them off. Let the ribs rest for 20 minutes (to let any possible cancer causing compounds to breakdown) and serve.


I bet you've saved countless lives with your ribs. Bravo!
 
2014-01-23 12:01:24 PM  

HeadLever: About 30,640 new cases of liver cancer will be diagnosed (10.2 people per 100K)


FIFM
 
2014-01-23 12:01:56 PM  

ko_kyi: flynn80: Then why weren't people dying of cancer in huge numbers prior to modern day grilling techniques?  Haven't humans been eating cook meat for thousands of years?

I guess that cancer, on average, is a disease of older people.  If we all lived to be 300, we'd all die of it.   People are living long enough for the cumulative effect of genetic damage to kill you.


I thought that was the definition of "old age" - if it's not strictly mechanical (i.e heart muscle out of warranty), then the act of having cells divide, and all the other chemical processes that make you, you, fail over time through entropy and external factors.

My doctor used to tell me: You either die of senility (cells die off and aren't replaced), or cancer (cells die off, and are replaced, and replaced, and replacd, and rplaced, andreplacd, and rplecead, and potato)
 
2014-01-23 12:06:25 PM  
I think it's scientists who are dangerous to our health
 
2014-01-23 12:06:33 PM  

ThreadSinger: My doctor used to tell me: You either die of senility (cells die off and aren't replaced), or cancer (cells die off, and are replaced, and replaced, and replacd, and rplaced, andreplacd, and rplecead, and potato)


And soda, and keyboard, and debt, and one internet.
 
2014-01-23 12:10:28 PM  

Grumpy Cat: DreamSnipers: FTA: "None of these studies is definitive. It's possible that other variables account for the correlations between cancer and cooking over a flame or at high heat"
There is the problem, high heat is stupid. Grill those Baby Back Ribs at 225 for 2 1/2 hours with apple wood for smoke (since it is low heat the apple wood smoke is good for you). I use a dry rub (no cancer correlations with that) and sometimes add a good BBQ sauce on some of them 10 minutes before I take them off. Let the ribs rest for 20 minutes (to let any possible cancer causing compounds to breakdown) and serve.

I bet you've saved countless lives with your ribs. Bravo!


I bet he hasn't. I'll bet that everyone who has eaten his ribs either has died or will die in the next 100 years.
 
2014-01-23 12:15:28 PM  
Wow so many of you are so bravely defiant, like the Chris Christie defiantly wagging two chili dogs and a tub of Breyers or Christopher Hitchens and Denis Leary chain-sucking cigarettes.

Yeah, they were talking about this exact issue 40 years ago or more, but will you really still feel that brave if something bad happens?  At the least a hint of "tough guy" moderation might be called for.

What was unanswered in the article for me was whether or not this applies only to meats.  I'm a HUGE fan of the ole Maillard reaction, but have moved on from meat.  I wonder whether PAHs et al. apply to browned/charred/smoked things other than flesh.
 
2014-01-23 12:17:16 PM  

Grumpy Cat: I bet you've saved countless lives contributed to global overcrowding with your ribs. Bravo Boo!


FTFY.

/kill a person save the world
 
2014-01-23 12:17:56 PM  

DreamSnipers: FTA: "None of these studies is definitive. It's possible that other variables account for the correlations between cancer and cooking over a flame or at high heat"
There is the problem, high heat is stupid. Grill those Baby Back Ribs at 225 for 2 1/2 hours with apple wood for smoke (since it is low heat the apple wood smoke is good for you). I use a dry rub (no cancer correlations with that) and sometimes add a good BBQ sauce on some of them 10 minutes before I take them off. Let the ribs rest for 20 minutes (to let any possible cancer causing compounds to breakdown) and serve.


You don't grill ribs. You smoke them on indirect heat.. For baby backs that's  275 degrees for 2 hours, wrap them in foil for an hour and then back on the smoker unfoiled for another 45 minutes.

Dry rub,
Bit of burbon pooled in the foil, lightly sauce them at the last 20 minutes.  Any fruit wood is good for smoking. ;)
 
2014-01-23 12:19:54 PM  
 
2014-01-23 12:21:11 PM  

Danger Mouse: Bit of burbon pooled in the foil


I prefer suburbon.

/more room to spread out, but still plenty of shops within a short drive
 
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