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2014-01-23 09:00:47 AM
It was a little early, but close enough not to be offensive PI (how it's usually called)

Tons of teams run plays like this.  The Chiefs burned the Eagles twice on a similar play on 3rd & long, where receivers appeared to be running deep routes, but were really setting up blocks for an underneath route.

Wes Welker was a blocker on this play from the start
 
2014-01-23 09:10:06 AM
I heard it was the worst play he's ever seen in 39 years of taping games.

/how are those grapes anyway?
 
2014-01-23 09:34:16 AM
It was the worst hit he has seem, yet he had Rodney Harrison on his team. A tiny receiver lays a block, yet this outweighs Rodney being the dirtiest player in the NFL by other coaches.
 
2014-01-23 09:35:36 AM
*seen
 
2014-01-23 09:36:33 AM
Bill's just upset that the student has become the master.
 
2014-01-23 09:38:11 AM
Quit whining. Welker is all of 5' nuthin'. Great hit little man!
 
2014-01-23 09:39:45 AM
I'm waiting for the rule change. Patriots wide receivers are not allowed to be touched before, or after the ball arrives.

Something witty. Something witty. Tuck rule. Something witty.


/Everyone should laugh now!
 
2014-01-23 09:52:28 AM

INeedAName: I'm waiting for the rule change. Patriots wide receivers are not allowed to be touched before, or after the ball arrives.

Something witty. Something witty. Tuck rule. Something witty.


/Everyone should laugh now!


But I don't know who I am laughing at!
 
2014-01-23 09:59:55 AM

cragmor: It was the worst hit he has seem, yet he had Rodney Harrison on his team. A tiny receiver lays a block, yet this outweighs Rodney being the dirtiest player in the NFL by other coaches.


The Pats probably ran this same play with the same receiver 100 times while Welker was there.  This is a pretty text book pick play that every team runs.

Between this and the news that leaked that Brady played "hurt" it's pretty much the most sour grapes a coach has had in a long time.
 
2014-01-23 10:19:05 AM
Yes, Bill, the plan all along was to use Denver's smallest, highly-paid, concussion-prone and uber-valuable possession receiver to take out Talib.
 
2014-01-23 10:19:55 AM
Anybody stay with the vid long enough to see the second play they discussed?  The one the VP of officiating admitted the officials on the field got wrong in the SF/SEA game.  That was clearly a fumble recovered by SF, yet somehow nobody saw it that way, and the play was not reviewable because it didn't involve either the goal line or the sidelines?  WTF?  And no.  I'm not a SF fan.  Born and raised in NJ.  One of few Iggles fans in my locality living among hoards of Giants/Jets folks.
 
2014-01-23 10:26:56 AM
But Bill Belichick is the hooded genius! He's never wrong about the rules.
 
2014-01-23 10:29:48 AM
Some of you don't know what sour grapes mean. How ironic.
 
2014-01-23 10:31:15 AM
Bill's reaction struck me as unnatural.  It wasn't a huge slobber knocking hit.  If Talib was the reciever and Welker the DB it wouldn't have really stuck out as even a big hit to seperate him from the ball.  It wasn't textbook it was fairly awkward.  But he hit him in his center mass and not head high or knee low so there's no way you should even call it dirty.  Especially if you allowed Rodney Harrison, who has made a big deal about how he set aside money every year to pay fines, roam your backfield.  Its weird how big this has become.
 
2014-01-23 10:35:15 AM
I know that on my pee-wee team, when I want to take an opposing player out, I run a WR pick play with the smallest kid in my corps and have him target the defender in the shoulder.
 
2014-01-23 10:35:45 AM

elguerodiablo: Bill's reaction struck me as unnatural.  It wasn't a huge slobber knocking hit.  If Talib was the reciever and Welker the DB it wouldn't have really stuck out as even a big hit to seperate him from the ball.  It wasn't textbook it was fairly awkward.  But he hit him in his center mass and not head high or knee low so there's no way you should even call it dirty.  Especially if you allowed Rodney Harrison, who has made a big deal about how he set aside money every year to pay fines, roam your backfield.  Its weird how big this has become.


I think it was probably a comment born out of the result of the hit (Talib out for the game) and some lingering bad blood between welker and Belichick, plus the fact that it was said right after the game when emotions were high. I'd be interested to see if Belichick still feels this way.
 
2014-01-23 10:49:48 AM
stevie1der:

I think it was probably a comment born out of the result of the hit (Talib out for the game) and some lingering bad blood between welker and Belichick, plus the fact that it was said right after the game when emotions were high. I'd be interested to see if Belichick still feels this way.

Belichick just exhibiting typical thug behaviour?  He does always wear a hoodie...

Funny how there's a lot of parallels there.
 
2014-01-23 10:54:46 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Anybody stay with the vid long enough to see the second play they discussed?  The one the VP of officiating admitted the officials on the field got wrong in the SF/SEA game.  That was clearly a fumble recovered by SF, yet somehow nobody saw it that way, and the play was not reviewable because it didn't involve either the goal line or the sidelines?  WTF?  And no.  I'm not a SF fan.  Born and raised in NJ.  One of few Iggles fans in my locality living among hoards of Giants/Jets folks.


It was wrong, but on the other hand the mistake benefited the 49ers to the tune of 15 yards.

I would have loved to see Kaepernick with the ball inside the 1 and a running back who'd been unable to get anything going all day.
 
2014-01-23 10:55:07 AM
That he commented at all is wierd. His after-game words almost always come down to one of the following:


Press Conference after Patriots Win:
"Well, we could have have executed some things a bit better. (Can I leave now?)"

Press Conference after Patriots Lose:
"Well, we should have have executed some things a bit better. (Can I leave now?)"
 
2014-01-23 10:59:18 AM

elguerodiablo: stevie1der:

I think it was probably a comment born out of the result of the hit (Talib out for the game) and some lingering bad blood between welker and Belichick, plus the fact that it was said right after the game when emotions were high. I'd be interested to see if Belichick still feels this way.

Belichick just exhibiting typical thug behaviour?  He does always wear a hoodie...

Funny how there's a lot of parallels there.


Ha! I was going to mention this.
 
2014-01-23 11:00:48 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Anybody stay with the vid long enough to see the second play they discussed?  The one the VP of officiating admitted the officials on the field got wrong in the SF/SEA game.  That was clearly a fumble recovered by SF, yet somehow nobody saw it that way, and the play was not reviewable because it didn't involve either the goal line or the sidelines?  WTF?  And no.  I'm not a SF fan.  Born and raised in NJ.  One of few Iggles fans in my locality living among hoards of Giants/Jets folks.


Yep. Clearly a fumble and a bad call from the on field refs. Just remember, while we all can see this on all the replays quite clearly, being down on the field is a different story. The likely reason it wasn't called was simply, "they missed it." Just like they missed half of the holding calls that happen every play.

Either way that call didn't turn the tide of the game. Lynch fumbled on the next play and instead of pinning the Niners on the half yard line they started a drive around the 9(?). The INTs that happened on their later drives are what really killed them.
 
2014-01-23 11:02:25 AM
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2014-01-23 11:07:59 AM

elguerodiablo: Bill's reaction struck me as unnatural.  It wasn't a huge slobber knocking hit.  If Talib was the reciever and Welker the DB it wouldn't have really stuck out as even a big hit to seperate him from the ball.  It wasn't textbook it was fairly awkward.  But he hit him in his center mass and not head high or knee low so there's no way you should even call it dirty.  Especially if you allowed Rodney Harrison, who has made a big deal about how he set aside money every year to pay fines, roam your backfield.  Its weird how big this has become.


yeah day 0 of this story seems like Bill playing games with the media

maybe Bill is finally turning into the troll-under-the-bridge after a decade?
 
2014-01-23 11:08:59 AM

stevie1der: elguerodiablo: Bill's reaction struck me as unnatural.  It wasn't a huge slobber knocking hit.  If Talib was the reciever and Welker the DB it wouldn't have really stuck out as even a big hit to seperate him from the ball.  It wasn't textbook it was fairly awkward.  But he hit him in his center mass and not head high or knee low so there's no way you should even call it dirty.  Especially if you allowed Rodney Harrison, who has made a big deal about how he set aside money every year to pay fines, roam your backfield.  Its weird how big this has become.

I think it was probably a comment born out of the result of the hit (Talib out for the game) and some lingering bad blood between welker and Belichick, plus the fact that it was said right after the game when emotions were high. I'd be interested to see if Belichick still feels this way.


Except it wasn't right after the game. It was during his press conference the day after the game.
 
2014-01-23 11:10:49 AM
FTA: The comments tell us Welker won't face any league discipline. Belichick's only recourse at this point is to plead for a rule change with the league's Competition Committee. We wouldn't be shocked if he did.

At which point the Competition Committee will show him the play earlier where Belicheck had his WR Edelman do the exact same thing to Cromartie.  Then they will stare at the coach for a full minute before giving him a long-overdue dopeslap upside the head, then they will revoke every rule that the Patriots had asked for in the past few years because rule changes are for WINNERS.
 
2014-01-23 11:12:28 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Anybody stay with the vid long enough to see the second play they discussed?  The one the VP of officiating admitted the officials on the field got wrong in the SF/SEA game.  That was clearly a fumble recovered by SF, yet somehow nobody saw it that way, and the play was not reviewable because it didn't involve either the goal line or the sidelines?  WTF?  And no.  I'm not a SF fan.  Born and raised in NJ.  One of few Iggles fans in my locality living among hoards of Giants/Jets folks.


Bowman recovered it and held on to it while his MCL was getting torn, Seattle kept the ball like nothing happened. SF got screwed on that but karma struck and Seattle coughed up the ball on the next play.
 
2014-01-23 11:30:48 AM
www.geekosystem.com
 
2014-01-23 11:38:50 AM

rjakobi: FTA: The comments tell us Welker won't face any league discipline. Belichick's only recourse at this point is to plead for a rule change with the league's Competition Committee. We wouldn't be shocked if he did.

At which point the Competition Committee will show him the play earlier where Belicheck had his WR Edelman do the exact same thing to Cromartie.  Then they will stare at the coach for a full minute before giving him a long-overdue dopeslap upside the head, then they will revoke every rule that the Patriots had asked for in the past few years because rule changes are for WINNERS.


Maybe Belichick will get a call from Bill Polian, with some unsolicited advice about how to talk to the Competition Committee.

I imagine that would be an interesting conversation.
 
2014-01-23 11:51:54 AM

Night Night Cream Puff: Yep. Clearly a fumble and a bad call from the on field refs.


Just to clarify something, that I keep hearing and seeing repeated.  The refs did rule it a fumble, they just didn't rule that Bowman had control and was down by contact on the recovery.  They kept playing through the scrum, where apparently Lynch came up with the ball.  Which is still a crap call, but just a different crap call than many people seem to be talking about.

And of course fumbles are reviewable, it's the recovery that is not, which is why that play could not be challenged.  Whoever the refs say recovered the ball is who gets the ball (at least currently).

As has been stated a few times, probably actually helped the Niners in this particular case anyhow.  The questionable call that really didn't help out was the running into/roughing the kicker.  Probably should have been a 15 yarder, and automatic first down, not just the 5 yards that still left them short.
 
2014-01-23 11:56:00 AM
Belichick is a very petty man, he always has been.
 
2014-01-23 11:56:58 AM

stevie1der: Some of you don't know what sour grapes mean. How ironic.


Some of you don't know what ironic means.  How grapey.
 
2014-01-23 12:41:47 PM

TonyDanza: Night Night Cream Puff: Yep. Clearly a fumble and a bad call from the on field refs.

Just to clarify something, that I keep hearing and seeing repeated.  The refs did rule it a fumble, they just didn't rule that Bowman had control and was down by contact on the recovery.  They kept playing through the scrum, where apparently Lynch came up with the ball.  Which is still a crap call, but just a different crap call than many people seem to be talking about.

And of course fumbles are reviewable, it's the recovery that is not, which is why that play could not be challenged.  Whoever the refs say recovered the ball is who gets the ball (at least currently).

As has been stated a few times, probably actually helped the Niners in this particular case anyhow.  The questionable call that really didn't help out was the running into/roughing the kicker.  Probably should have been a 15 yarder, and automatic first down, not just the 5 yards that still left them short.


Yeah, I should have been a little more clear in my post. The on the field call was "proper" according to the rules even though it might have been ruled Niners ball if the refs saw/got there before the scrum. I understand that they don't want challenges on every pile up so they limited them to OOB and TD calls, but that was a big miss. A review of the rule might be in order, but who the hell knows if that will ever happen. I give it a snow balls chance in hell.

Agreed on the roughing the kicker call on a technical basis. He made contact with the plant foot so it should have been 15. But that rule itself is sort of stupid. The amount of contact that happened was incidental, which is what a "running into the kicker" penalty should be. It shouldn't be dependent on if you hit the plant leg or not. If a kicker is slick/skilled enough he might try to land his plant leg near a diving defender all the time with the intent of trying to draw a 15 yard penalty. I'll likely get flak for saying this, but make that a judgement call. It's not like that dude was going after the kicker's knee. He was in the air, missed the ball, and fell on his face. The kicker came down close enough for the contact and looked like he rolled his ankle, but there wasn't anything intentional or egregious about that contact.
 
2014-01-23 01:59:17 PM
For the league offices, the Sherman rant and Hoodie's grudge against Welker must have been a welcome distrqction. I get that the next play kind of made the fumble recovery not matter, but no one is talking or writing about that play this week.
 
2014-01-23 02:11:38 PM
Watch the tape, Bill. Shouldn't be a problem for you.
 
2014-01-23 03:05:35 PM
this is an issue because its the Patriots.

It just gives people a reason to type Tom Brady, Belichick and Patriots in an article.  I watched the hit and legitimately thought they just collided (since Welker ends up on his butt).

It took me 6 viewings just to see if Talib even got hurt.  The fact that no one called out Bill when he made such a ridiculous remark is what the real story should be.
 
2014-01-23 03:22:07 PM

tforbes: this is an issue because its the Patriots.

It just gives people a reason to type Tom Brady, Belichick and Patriots in an article.  I watched the hit and legitimately thought they just collided (since Welker ends up on his butt).

It took me 6 viewings just to see if Talib even got hurt.  The fact that no one called out Bill when he made such a ridiculous remark is what the real story should be.


Exactly.

Belichick is a great coach, but not everything that comes out of his mouth should be chested in granite, Sport Media Lemmings.

As was pointed out, BB's WR set virtually the same pick against the opponent the series before...notice, zero outrage from the Denver coach.

Obvious fauxrage is obvious fauxrage.
 
2014-01-23 04:14:06 PM
It was CLOSE to being a penalty, if not timed just a tad bit too quickly.

Not dirty (in fact, a Pats block on an earlier drive looked as if there was much more of an attempt to "take out" a Broncos player), and Welker really could've hurt himself. It was just an unlucky break for Talib.
 
2014-01-23 05:46:49 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Quit whining. Welker is all of 5' nuthin'. Great hit little man!


It's like the old saying goes - it's not the size of the wiener dog, it's the size of the dog's wiener.
 
2014-01-23 05:58:56 PM

tforbes: this is an issue because its the Patriots.

The fact that no one called out Bill when he made such a ridiculous remark is what the real story should be.



Boston Globe's Ron Borges: Bill Belichick's game deflects blame

http://bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/ron_borges/2014/01/borges_ bi ll_belichick_s_game_deflects_blame
 
2014-01-23 07:02:16 PM

stevie1der: Some of you don't know what sour grapes mean. How ironic.


They're the primary ingredient in whine.
 
2014-01-24 02:30:11 AM

tforbes: this is an issue because its the Patriots.

It just gives people a reason to type Tom Brady, Belichick and Patriots in an article.  I watched the hit and legitimately thought they just collided (since Welker ends up on his butt).

It took me 6 viewings just to see if Talib even got hurt.  The fact that no one called out Bill when he made such a ridiculous remark is what the real story should be.


dan patrick did on his show.

something to the effect of "you've been in the league for decades and this is one of the dirtiest things youve seen? really, bill?"
 
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