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2014-01-22 09:20:07 PM
It wouldnt have been such a big deal if you didnt leave them in there when your dumbass left
 
2014-01-22 09:27:24 PM
Still not a big deal. Nothing to see here except another helicopter parent who insists her little angel would never do anything wrong.
 
2014-01-22 09:27:52 PM
How else was she supposed to keep the Nazis from finding her?
 
2014-01-22 09:27:53 PM
I am a teacher. I am in a union. And I do NOT think this is okay, and I think the union should be ashamed of itself.

/gasped out loud
//yes, I've thought about doing that to my high school students
///no, I haven't done it
////slashies
 
2014-01-22 09:28:36 PM
Oh, and the little brat isn't "traumatized", she is a little farking attention whore who wants to get out of school.
 
2014-01-22 09:28:59 PM
Was she in a closet with the door shut, or was she sitting in some sort of alcove? Because if it's the first, then hell yes she was out of the teacher's sight.
 
2014-01-22 09:29:05 PM
the little girl's mother told WREG her daughter is traumatized and doesn't want to go back to school.

Oh for fark's sake.  If your kid is "traumatized" by being made to sit alone in a closet for an hour, then they need some toughening up.  Seriously.
 
2014-01-22 09:30:31 PM
"the little girl's mother told WREG her daughter is traumatized and doesn't want to go back to school."

Every time I got in trouble at school I didn't want to go back the next day either. Imagine that.
 
2014-01-22 09:31:24 PM
told station WREG that people involved have made a bigger deal out of the story than necessary.

That's entirely possible, we tend to do that a lot as a country. So, what happened...

"According to the teacher's association, Oshfeldt defended the disciplinary method, saying she's put children in that isolated spot before for punishment,"

Alright, no problem there. Corner, closet, what's the difference. Especially when the closet has a little window so you can keep an eye on the little shiat. So what's the problem...

Oshfeldt left the school without releasing the girl, according to CBS News. A substitute teacher later found her.

Oh. You can't do that. Before you leave you say "Hey substitute, here's today's lesson plan, here's the roster, and OH YEAH, little Miss Snowflake there was a pain in the ass so she's in isolation. Make sure you take her out sometime."
 
2014-01-22 09:31:37 PM
You wanna be a teacher and make the big bucks, you need to conform to slightly higher behavior standards than the rest of us.
 
2014-01-22 09:31:49 PM
www.chud.com
 
2014-01-22 09:32:14 PM

Lachwen: the little girl's mother told WREG her daughter is traumatized and doesn't want to go back to school.

Oh for fark's sake.  If your kid is "traumatized" by being made to sit alone in a closet for an hour, then they need some toughening up.  Seriously.



But not too much toughening up, because a teacher might be seriously injured by a pint-sized Rambo.
 
2014-01-22 09:34:03 PM
Putting them in a closet is a dumb move. Stick them in another teacher's classroom in a corner or make them wait outside the classroom door for a few minutes until you have time to talk with them.
 
2014-01-22 09:34:53 PM
Depends on the closet I guess.

i.imgur.com

/leaving a five year old in a closet for an hour is not OK, under any circumstances.  It's essentially sensory deprivation.
//I'm betting skwerl doesn't have any kids
 
2014-01-22 09:34:59 PM
Hopefully the girl learned her lesson, but judging from the reaction of the parents, I'm going to guess that all she's learning is that acting like a brat is a right.
 
2014-01-22 09:35:16 PM
The 5-year-old said she was in the closet for more than an hour.


When you were 5 how long did an hour feel?
 
2014-01-22 09:35:44 PM
90% of the time the Teacher's unions do reasonably good work, 10% of the time they cover up for people who should be canned.
 
2014-01-22 09:36:25 PM

Morning Coffee: I am a teacher. I am in a union. And I do NOT think this is okay, and I think the union should be ashamed of itself.

/gasped out loud
//yes, I've thought about doing that to my high school students
///no, I haven't done it
////slashies


hahaha. As a fellow high school teacher, I have done that....sort of. A 5-minute cooling off in the hallway does wonders. Technically we aren't supposed to do that, but most of the time they act out for attention (even if it is of the negative kind), and when they are sitting by themselves they don't get any at all. Employed conservatively, it actually is a decent strategy - rarely have I ever had to do that twice with the same kid.
 
2014-01-22 09:36:29 PM
Is the union composed of older republican males? I could understand the "staying in the closet is ok" scenario in that case.
 
2014-01-22 09:36:33 PM
People make mistakes. She's only inhuman.
 
2014-01-22 09:40:09 PM
Ooo.... lots of people here so far clearly have no experience with a 5 year old. They're traumatized by just about everything. I'm not sure I'd be pissed enough to sue, but as a parent, I'd be rightly pissed.
 
2014-01-22 09:40:21 PM
Yeah, I've done that too. I am glad I don't have a closet in my classroom, or I'd be tempted.

powhound: Morning Coffee: I am a teacher. I am in a union. And I do NOT think this is okay, and I think the union should be ashamed of itself.

/gasped out loud
//yes, I've thought about doing that to my high school students
///no, I haven't done it
////slashies

hahaha. As a fellow high school teacher, I have done that....sort of. A 5-minute cooling off in the hallway does wonders. Technically we aren't supposed to do that, but most of the time they act out for attention (even if it is of the negative kind), and when they are sitting by themselves they don't get any at all. Employed conservatively, it actually is a decent strategy - rarely have I ever had to do that twice with the same kid.

 
2014-01-22 09:43:33 PM

skwerl: Still not a big deal. Nothing to see here except another helicopter parent who insists her little angel would never do anything wrong.


skwerl: Oh, and the little brat isn't "traumatized", she is a little farking attention whore who wants to get out of school.


Dad?
 
2014-01-22 09:43:40 PM

BigNumber12: You wanna be a teacher and make the big bucks, you need to conform to slightly higher behavior standards than the rest of us.


That was comic gold.  It was so good you can expect Dane Cook or Carlos Mencia to begin using it.
 
2014-01-22 09:43:53 PM

BigNumber12: You wanna be a teacher and make the big bucks, you need to conform to slightly higher behavior standards than the rest of us.


I'm not sure she's making the "big bucks" in TN, but I digress. The teacher was suspended without pay. The article is a crock, the union made an "opinion" and hasn't even been involved in this yet. So far, it's business as usual. The board, not the union, will decide her fate.
 
2014-01-22 09:44:14 PM
People are actually defending this? Wow! Let me see if I can find the article about the union supporting a teacher that was convicted of child molestation.  Oh wait, there are several examples.  And they wonder why they were shut down in Wisconsin.  Michigan was self inflicted.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2014/01/21/campbell-brown-teache r s-unions-are-fighting-efforts-to-keep-sex-offenders-out-of-classrooms/
 
2014-01-22 09:44:29 PM
Look for the union label
 
2014-01-22 09:49:41 PM

Morning Coffee: I am a teacher. I am in a union. And I do NOT think this is okay, and I think the union should be ashamed of itself.

/gasped out loud
//yes, I've thought about doing that to my high school students
///no, I haven't done it
////slashies


The union is on "wait and see" mode if you RTFA. Also, dark the legislature who passes laws that say it is ok to punish kids as such.

/I pay my union $600 a year to be on my side until I'm proven guilty by a jury of my peers
//that's their job
///teaching is farking hard
////I love slashies
 
2014-01-22 09:49:57 PM

Morning Coffee: Yeah, I've done that too. I am glad I don't have a closet in my classroom, or I'd be tempted.


One time I was at an aquarium and saw this shark cage that had been used by some famous diver to film great whites. My first thought was "that would go so well in the corner of my classroom."
 
2014-01-22 09:52:05 PM

BigNumber12: You wanna be a teacher and make the big bucks, you need to conform to slightly higher behavior standards than the rest of us.


Ha!

Laws and such.
 
2014-01-22 09:54:31 PM

stirfrybry: Look for the union label


www.alleewillis.com
Meh, close enough, BCTGM Local 464 .
 
2014-01-22 09:56:58 PM
Locking a kid in a closet is one of those harmless things that become torture if an adult does it.

If your brother locks you in the closet for an hour? Brothers, ha!

If your teacher locks you in a closet, that's crazy. What the hell!
 
2014-01-22 09:58:27 PM

Kanemano: The 5-year-old said she was in the closet for more than an hour.


When you were 5 how long did an hour feel?


heck im 30 and 10 min in a closet with nothing to do / no one to interact with would feel like a week id probably go nuts with an hour of that if couldnt manage to doze off or something
 
2014-01-22 09:58:48 PM

powhound: Morning Coffee: I am a teacher. I am in a union. And I do NOT think this is okay, and I think the union should be ashamed of itself.

/gasped out loud
//yes, I've thought about doing that to my high school students
///no, I haven't done it
////slashies

hahaha. As a fellow high school teacher, I have done that....sort of. A 5-minute cooling off in the hallway does wonders. Technically we aren't supposed to do that, but most of the time they act out for attention (even if it is of the negative kind), and when they are sitting by themselves they don't get any at all. Employed conservatively, it actually is a decent strategy - rarely have I ever had to do that twice with the same kid.


Heh. I spent a lot of time in the hall in elementary school. I was not a total shiat - just chatty and bored. My mother (who had the mother bear thing down pat) was fine with this - you don't want to sit in the hall, shut the hell up and pay attention. (70's)

I am sure if I had ever been shut in a closet, however, there would have been hell to pay.
 
2014-01-22 10:01:42 PM
ooga booga! unions!

/Every republican in America who read that just pissed on themselves in terror.
 
2014-01-22 10:02:41 PM
I had a teacher who made you sit under her desk if you got in trouble.  This was second grade, and she was a morbidly obese woman with clip-on Princess Leia type hair buns.

And our principal was a 6'4" hulking giant (is it racist if I mention he was black?  Because he reminds me of Terry Crews) and he had a paddle with holes cut into it for less wind resistance.

Few people ever got in trouble twice.

/'80s
 
2014-01-22 10:03:13 PM
Teachers and their unions fight to keep sex offenders working with them. Why os anyone surprised by what these moon-bats do?
 
2014-01-22 10:06:16 PM
What kind of idiot disciplines children by locking them in closets? Maybe you end up with a Harry Potter, maybe you get a Carrie, but either way you'll be sorry you didn't stay on better terms with the kid.
 
2014-01-22 10:09:14 PM
From the linked article:

"Williams says the teachers association will make sure Oshfeldt has a chance to tell her side of the story, as well as a fair shot at justice."

This doesn't sound like a case of the union defending the *action*, but rather defending the rights of the teacher to have a hearing/trial/whatever rather than be judged by a mob who has only heard the sensational media reports.  Both represent "defending" the teacher, but one is much more impartial.


/ A public defender may think his client is guilty as hell, but still believes everyone has the right to have representation in court.
 
2014-01-22 10:12:28 PM

EdgeRunner: What kind of idiot disciplines children by locking them in closets? Maybe you end up with a Harry Potter, maybe you get a Carrie, but either way you'll be sorry you didn't stay on better terms with the kid.


Yeah we should be scared to death of the repercussions that not kissing the asses of children may have.  We've already seen the results of going out of our way to kiss them.  Kid got stuck in a small room for a while.  I'm assuming it had a door, central heating and he could sit?  She didn't slap him around until he pissed his pants.  She didn't set him outside in the snow.  He wasn't sold into 10 hour a day labor at a textile mill.  If that makes him a serial killer, he already was one.
 
2014-01-22 10:15:32 PM
Did they wait until it started raining again before letting the kid out?

/not obscure at all.
 
2014-01-22 10:16:13 PM

Snarfangel: Lachwen: the little girl's mother told WREG her daughter is traumatized and doesn't want to go back to school.

Oh for fark's sake.  If your kid is "traumatized" by being made to sit alone in a closet for an hour, then they need some toughening up.  Seriously.


But not too much toughening up, because a teacher might be seriously injured by a pint-sized Rambo.


Some kids get very frightened by being confined. My son doesn't even like having the door closed to his room.
 
2014-01-22 10:16:28 PM
This is mostly a non-story, except for dumbass teacher forgetting to tell her sub that she had a misbehaving child in the time-out room (and if it had been called a "time-out room" instead of a "closet" there'd likely have been no repercussions).

The bigger story OUGHT to be: "She was using a form of isolation that she thought was acceptable to the district and to state standards," Williams said.

Is it? The district and the state have signed off on this? Then everyone--EVERYONE--involved in the story need to either STFU and like it, or ask themselves where they were the last time school board elections went on. And if not, then an investigation of the district is in order, and that right quick.
 
2014-01-22 10:18:50 PM
What I find amusing are the people who are saying the kid should toughen up, couldn't do an hour alone in a dark closet.
 
2014-01-22 10:25:59 PM

change1211: 90% of the time the Teacher's unions do reasonably good work, 10% of the time they cover up for people who should be canned.


It's almost as if they're defending the people who pay them regardless of personal beliefs. Shocker!
 
2014-01-22 10:27:44 PM
In our state the teachers union would start a facebook campaign to spread rumors about the family.   Make some false accusations about the family and put them on the defensive,  until the union and its large pool of money can bring in the lawyers.
 
2014-01-22 10:30:03 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-22 10:40:04 PM
If we paid teachers more, we would get better teachers.

This is all the fault of the terrible administrators who make all of the money.
 
2014-01-22 10:46:00 PM
No acceptable in any way shape or form, if i had my way this would  be an automatic termination and ban from working as a teacher.
 
2014-01-22 10:47:02 PM
I have always been sort of meh toward unions.  This is the exact sort of thing which explains why.  In theory I fully support unions.  Unfortunately the way they are actually run and the things they do make me want the ones that actually exist to be stomped out.  Defending someone who leaves without making sure that all the kids are accounted for and worse yet, leaves one in the closet, is inexcusable.

I was in the teamsters union for 17 years and the exact same sort of shiat went on.  The union would defend the most lazy ass, unproductive dirt bags who were just making things harder for all of the more responsible and dedicated folks.  It didn't matter how many times they were late or came in drunk the union would defend them.

The inane rules were even worse.  The place I worked had two different unions working there.  One of the routine tasks, which recurred about every 15 minutes, was for someone to go transfer product from a conveyor belt to some racks.  Despite it on occasion being far more practical to have someone from union A, who was standing right there, take care of it; that was against the rules.  Only folks in union B were allowed to clear the conveyor belt.  WTF? Who gives a crap who does it?  If a job needs done it should be done in the most efficient manner (while complying with safety rules and such).  The more efficiently a business can operate the more successful it can be and the more the employees can benefit.  The folks that run unions just don't seem to get that.  If that one example were the only one it would be no big deal but there were dozens of such silly things going on.  It was amazing to me that the company was in business at all.
 
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