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(USA Today)   NASCAR advances its march to WWE territory by changing qualifying to a Battle Royale Steel Cage match   (usatoday.com) divider line 49
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2014-01-22 08:49:02 PM
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/at least Vince admits his sport is worked.
 
2014-01-22 09:09:38 PM
Well, looks like i will watch even fewer races this year. Probably just Daytona and Watkins Glen this year. IndyCar ought to be fun to follow every week, along with my usual F1 obsession.
 
2014-01-22 09:15:25 PM
Considering the fan overlap that isn't such a bad idea.
 
2014-01-22 09:26:32 PM
Zzzzzzzzzz
 
2014-01-22 09:27:27 PM
I see a lot of backup cars needed for the race and unhappy owners.
 
2014-01-22 09:30:00 PM
Face it, Frances, the bubble has burst. Just let Junior compete in a helicopter this year so you can sell the merchandise.
 
2014-01-22 09:32:55 PM
People complain, but this would get me to actually watch qualifying.

A car driving by itself for two laps does not interest me.
 
2014-01-22 09:34:50 PM
I don't mind the qualifying changes near as much as the proposed chase bullshiat.
 
2014-01-22 09:38:47 PM
And I still won't be tuning in.
 
2014-01-22 09:39:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Well, looks like i will watch even fewer races this year. Probably just Daytona and Watkins Glen this year. IndyCar ought to be fun to follow every week, along with my usual F1 obsession.


I watched for years and finally quit with the exception of the road courses.  At least they need to actually drive the car on a road course.

/hate restrictor plates
//what FirstNationalBastard said
///lawn
 
2014-01-22 09:45:45 PM
Well, Ill still go to 2 events a year (twin 125s and Homestead) but my regular tv viewing continues to decline. The Chase and Mark Martin finally retiring is fueling this as much as anything. Not sure what to think about the new qualifying format.
 
2014-01-22 09:48:32 PM
You can't have a Battle Royale Steel Cage Match. Steel Cage matches can only end by pinfall, submission or escape from the cage. Battle Royales end by going over (or sometimes through) the ropes. This is an outrage. THE GREATEST OUTRAGE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.

/Schiavone
 
2014-01-22 09:51:32 PM
They need to make the cars radio controlled to get them "racey" again. The drivers would control, but to maintain the bloodlust, strap deathrow inmates in the cars. If the car becomes disabled without killing the "driver", he has to stay on the track without the car. Also no helmets allowed.
 
2014-01-22 09:52:26 PM

suicide: You can't have a Battle Royale Steel Cage Match. Steel Cage matches can only end by pinfall, submission or escape from the cage. Battle Royales end by going over (or sometimes through) the ropes. This is an outrage. THE GREATEST OUTRAGE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.

/Schiavone


A battle-royale steel cage match? Yeah, that'll put butts in the seats
 
2014-01-22 09:52:55 PM
I'd prefer eliminations during the actual race. Think that Lap Knockout race format you see in video games sometimes.

Let's take, say, Michigan. The race at Michigan runs 200 laps. Bump it up to 210. All 43 cars start the race. After 5 laps, the 43rd-placed car is eliminated from the race and removed from the track. After Lap 10, the 42nd-place car is pulled off the track. After Lap 15, the 41st-place car is pulled from the track. 42 such eliminations, leaving just the winner left on the course, takes 210 laps. (As for green/white/checkered... if that happened, it'd be one of the two remaining cars wrecking, and a green/white/checkered would be rather moot, wouldn't it?)

Did you wreck? Well, you better get that car fixed before the elimination line comes up to meet you. No going back out late in the race to be a road hazard for the serious contenders. Did you qualify poorly? Better get moving straight away. Did someone else wreck and you fell below the elimination line during a caution? Should have been further up the field beforehand.
 
2014-01-22 09:54:43 PM

machoprogrammer: suicide: You can't have a Battle Royale Steel Cage Match. Steel Cage matches can only end by pinfall, submission or escape from the cage. Battle Royales end by going over (or sometimes through) the ropes. This is an outrage. THE GREATEST OUTRAGE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.

/Schiavone

A battle-royale steel cage match? Yeah, that'll put butts in the seats


i6.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-22 09:56:38 PM

machoprogrammer: suicide: You can't have a Battle Royale Steel Cage Match. Steel Cage matches can only end by pinfall, submission or escape from the cage. Battle Royales end by going over (or sometimes through) the ropes. This is an outrage. THE GREATEST OUTRAGE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.

/Schiavone

A battle-royale steel cage match? Yeah, that'll put butts in the seats


*LITERALLY changes the channel*
 
2014-01-22 10:01:21 PM
What could possibly go wrong?

/BASHCAR
 
2014-01-22 10:03:55 PM
They're making it more like F1 qualifying.  Isn't this what racing fans been demanding for years?

I was hoping for years for something close to Indy 500 style qualifying where the first attempt sets the pole and then everyone keeps going through inspection and getting in line until they find a spot they like or time runs out; top 43 cars make the field.  I never dreamed that they would jump right to the F1 plan.

crotchgrabber: I don't mind the qualifying changes near as much as the proposed chase bullshiat.

I just read that today.  It's the dumbest shiat I've heard come from Helton or Baby France and that's saying a lot.

 Gosling: I'd prefer eliminations during the actual race. Think that Lap Knockout race format you see in video games sometimes.


That's close to the new plan for the Chase format: a race knockout.

Th
 
2014-01-22 10:19:58 PM

suicide: machoprogrammer: suicide: You can't have a Battle Royale Steel Cage Match. Steel Cage matches can only end by pinfall, submission or escape from the cage. Battle Royales end by going over (or sometimes through) the ropes. This is an outrage. THE GREATEST OUTRAGE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.

/Schiavone

A battle-royale steel cage match? Yeah, that'll put butts in the seats

*LITERALLY changes the channel*


Dale Earnhardt Jr is going to fingerpoke of doom Jimmie Johnson
 
2014-01-22 10:30:57 PM

machoprogrammer: suicide: machoprogrammer: suicide: You can't have a Battle Royale Steel Cage Match. Steel Cage matches can only end by pinfall, submission or escape from the cage. Battle Royales end by going over (or sometimes through) the ropes. This is an outrage. THE GREATEST OUTRAGE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.

/Schiavone

A battle-royale steel cage match? Yeah, that'll put butts in the seats

*LITERALLY changes the channel*

Dale Earnhardt Jr is going to fingerpoke of doom Jimmie Johnson


BAH GAWD KING, DALE EARNHARDT HAD A FAMILY
 
2014-01-22 10:33:23 PM

TheManofPA: machoprogrammer: suicide: machoprogrammer: suicide: You can't have a Battle Royale Steel Cage Match. Steel Cage matches can only end by pinfall, submission or escape from the cage. Battle Royales end by going over (or sometimes through) the ropes. This is an outrage. THE GREATEST OUTRAGE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.

/Schiavone

A battle-royale steel cage match? Yeah, that'll put butts in the seats

*LITERALLY changes the channel*

Dale Earnhardt Jr is going to fingerpoke of doom Jimmie Johnson

BAH GAWD KING, DALE EARNHARDT HAD A FAMILY


That should have been his entire eulogy.

/ducks
 
2014-01-22 11:00:18 PM

Gosling: I'd prefer eliminations during the actual race. Think that Lap Knockout race format you see in video games sometimes.


Oh god, now I'm having Split/Second flashbacks.

/man, that game was hard
 
2014-01-22 11:01:53 PM

Flappyhead: Considering the fan overlap that isn't such a bad idea.


I'm pretty sure that Venn diagram is a perfect circle.
 
2014-01-22 11:21:23 PM

No Line For Beer: That's close to the new plan for the Chase format: a race knockout.


That's a RACE knockout. I'm talking contained within one singular track session.
 
2014-01-23 12:00:38 AM

FirstNationalBastard: [i6.photobucket.com image 650x440]

/at least Vince admits his sport is worked.


Well, the Royal Rumble is this Sunday.
 
2014-01-23 12:03:05 AM
I am just glad they got rid of the stupid top 35 automatic qualifiers.  Take the fastest cars at the track and leave the rest home.  Now if they would trim the field from 43 to maybe 36 or 38.  That would eliminate most of the start and park ones and leave the field to those actually trying to compete.
 
2014-01-23 12:13:25 AM
I'm okay with this. But CG is right...the proposed Chase changes are stoopid.
 
2014-01-23 12:19:13 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Well, looks like i will watch even fewer races this year. Probably just Daytona and Watkins Glen this year. IndyCar ought to be fun to follow every week, along with my usual F1 obsession.


I'm really interested in seeing how those new engines in F1 work out. I have a feeling the first couple of races may be real fun to watch in seeing what problems (if any) will arise. I'm also really hoping Indy can pull off a decent season. I would love a strong open wheel series again. I'll always watch Nascar because i like it...but I'll watch other races first.
 
2014-01-23 12:31:13 AM

Daedalus27: I am just glad they got rid of the stupid top 35 automatic qualifiers.Take the fastest cars at the track and leave the rest home.  Now if they would trim the field from 43 to maybe 36 or 38.  That would eliminate most of the start and park ones and leave the field to those actually trying to compete.


I'm not sure that's true.  If it were I'd be absolutely shocked.  There's no way that they'd chance Dale Jr. or Tony Stewart (etc.) not being in a race.  Zero chance of that happening.
 
2014-01-23 12:38:11 AM

Are you not sports entertained?

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At this point, can we have Gary Bettman put in charge of NASCAR?  He can't POSSIBLY screw up the sport any worse than it already is!
 
2014-01-23 12:40:05 AM

bluorangefyre: Are you not sports entertained?[img.photobucket.com image 300x410]At this point, can we have Gary Bettman put in charge of NASCAR?  He can't POSSIBLY screw up the sport any worse than it already is!


Selig's free in a few months. He might institute the Commissioner Bug Selig Award of Being Commissioner, though.
 
2014-01-23 12:55:21 AM

Daedalus27: I am just glad they got rid of the stupid top 35 automatic qualifiers.  Take the fastest cars at the track and leave the rest home.  Now if they would trim the field from 43 to maybe 36 or 38.  That would eliminate most of the start and park ones and leave the field to those actually trying to compete.


At this point, 'automatic qualifier' is almost the same as 'showing up'. They only knock out like one or two drivers in qualifying a lot of races. You might as well just call it the time trial for all the actual qualifying that gets done.
 
2014-01-23 01:33:18 AM

Tellingthem: I'm really interested in seeing how those new engines in F1 work out. I have a feeling the first couple of races may be real fun to watch in seeing what problems (if any) will arise.


Preseason testing starts in about a week, with two more between then and mid-March, which hopefully will reveal if there are any potential reliability problems (maybe even the required 4 Mm longevity). After that, it's going to be fuel problems that could make 1986 look like a walk in the park (the regs allow the engines to drain the tanks dry in as little as an hour, which could be a problem when even the shortest races (Monza and Spa) run 1:20 or so).

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Just let Junior compete in a helicopter this year


NASCAR doesn't run at Monaco
 
2014-01-23 02:46:28 AM

Gosling: Daedalus27: I am just glad they got rid of the stupid top 35 automatic qualifiers.  Take the fastest cars at the track and leave the rest home.  Now if they would trim the field from 43 to maybe 36 or 38.  That would eliminate most of the start and park ones and leave the field to those actually trying to compete.

At this point, 'automatic qualifier' is almost the same as 'showing up'. They only knock out like one or two drivers in qualifying a lot of races. You might as well just call it the time trial for all the actual qualifying that gets done.



Which is why they need to knock down the field size to insert some need to make a legitimate attempt in the qualifying.  It also means if you push things too far in search of the pole you suffer the consequences.  Lets face it, in todays NASCAR of multicar teams, the single car team on a shoestring budget just doesn't have a role to play on the track.  Poor funding means they can't afford to risk to run hence the start and park crowd.  Maintaining the illusion of a 42 or 43 car field isn't contributing anything to NASCAR, the sponsors, or the fans.  Cut the numbers and then those teams either have to find more resources, or stop competing in the top tier NASCAR series.
 
2014-01-23 06:17:01 AM

Daedalus27: Gosling: Daedalus27: I am just glad they got rid of the stupid top 35 automatic qualifiers.  Take the fastest cars at the track and leave the rest home.  Now if they would trim the field from 43 to maybe 36 or 38.  That would eliminate most of the start and park ones and leave the field to those actually trying to compete.

At this point, 'automatic qualifier' is almost the same as 'showing up'. They only knock out like one or two drivers in qualifying a lot of races. You might as well just call it the time trial for all the actual qualifying that gets done.


Which is why they need to knock down the field size to insert some need to make a legitimate attempt in the qualifying.  It also means if you push things too far in search of the pole you suffer the consequences.  Lets face it, in todays NASCAR of multicar teams, the single car team on a shoestring budget just doesn't have a role to play on the track.  Poor funding means they can't afford to risk to run hence the start and park crowd.  Maintaining the illusion of a 42 or 43 car field isn't contributing anything to NASCAR, the sponsors, or the fans.  Cut the numbers and then those teams either have to find more resources, or stop competing in the top tier NASCAR series.


107% rule F1 style, or the old Pre-Qualli based on points (again F1 style)?
 
2014-01-23 06:35:21 AM
So they're just copying formula one?
 
2014-01-23 08:00:55 AM

soupafi: So they're just copying formula one?


So Brian France will soon face a corruption lawsuit? Or is he more in the Max Mosley mold of scandals?
 
2014-01-23 09:06:02 AM

soopey: soupafi: So they're just copying formula one?

So Brian France will soon face a corruption lawsuit? Or is he more in the Max Mosley mold of scandals?


Which one was more likely to have a faceful of Blow and a barely legal Guatemalan rent boy?
 
2014-01-23 09:26:02 AM
So basically this is a way to screw over the top 24 drivers from the first qualifying run?

Watch Hendrick and Gibbs drivers just hang in the back 24 to avoid the stupidity then show up on race day and pass the 20 retards in front of them.

What is France going to do? Force people to "try harder?"

What is he going to do when provisional-sparkle-pony (quoted) Danica never starts in the top 20?
 
2014-01-23 09:29:14 AM

FirstNationalBastard: soopey: soupafi: So they're just copying formula one?

So Brian France will soon face a corruption lawsuit? Or is he more in the Max Mosley mold of scandals?

Which one was more likely to have a faceful of Blow and a barely legal Guatemalan rent boy?


Mosley. That was easy.

Next question.
 
2014-01-23 09:52:17 AM

snake_beater: Gosling: I'd prefer eliminations during the actual race. Think that Lap Knockout race format you see in video games sometimes.

Oh god, now I'm having Split/Second flashbacks.

/man, that game was hard


Now there's something that needs a sequel.
 
2014-01-23 10:51:09 AM
I'm pretty sure that no matter what they did, people would biatch.
 
2014-01-23 11:28:28 AM
Won't really affect the Daytona 500, because the Twins set the field for the most part. And it won't affect the shorter tracks like Bristol, Martinsville and Dover.

What it will do is make qualifying worth watching for a change, and bring in race tactics and setups instead of two-lap supercars. Drafting at Talladega in qualifying? I like it.

But nothing can make Kansas interesting. Except maybe landmines.
 
2014-01-23 12:22:59 PM

Mztlplx: But nothing can make Kansas interesting. Except maybe landmines.


I say make Kansas the designated Mario Kart race. No, not with actual banana peels and blue shells, but hear me out..

Each car will be tricked out with an augmented reality HUD and have race-controlled speed regulators. The HUD will display virtual powerups that the drivers can pick up and use.
 
2014-01-23 05:24:07 PM

bluorangefyre: Are you not sports entertained?[img.photobucket.com image 300x410]At this point, can we have Gary Bettman put in charge of NASCAR?  He can't POSSIBLY screw up the sport any worse than it already is!


Pfft.  First thing Bettman would do is start awarding points to drivers who crashed and couldn't finish.
 
2014-01-23 08:31:30 PM

soopey: soupafi: So they're just copying formula one?

So Brian France will soon face a corruption lawsuit? Or is he more in the Max Mosley mold of scandals?


Pfft.  FRANCAR faces them all the time (mostly stemming from them owning ISC).  And they've beaten every single one of them.
 
2014-01-24 10:06:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Well, looks like i will watch even fewer races this year. Probably just Daytona and Watkins Glen this year. IndyCar ought to be fun to follow every week, along with my usual F1 obsession.


So you're obsessed with F1, but NASCAR going to F1-style qualifying is bad enough to stop watching?

If Brian France moved the finale to Abu Dhabi and offered double points, would that make ya happy? ;)
 
2014-01-24 10:12:27 AM
Ribbing aside, this is probably the least objectionable move NASCAR has made recently. Sure, the format is a bit silly at tracks where drafting comes into play, but it's not like qualifying really mattered for non S&Pers at said tracks anyways.

The biggest drawback to this move I can think of is that qualifying will no longer be a default 2-minute report for every team in the field. But only die hards cared about that in the first place. Race broadcasts have been ignoring half the field for over a decade now.
 
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