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(Talking Points Memo)   In a new attempt to help the GOP in winning hearts and minds of 21st century American women, Steve Pearce (R) propagates that a wife is supposed to "voluntarily submit" to her husband   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 206
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2014-01-22 04:36:17 PM
I'll take "What is neither safe, sane, nor consensual" for $500, Alex.
 
2014-01-22 04:52:00 PM
I tell you what, i will submit to my husband in the bedroom if he submits to me everywhere else. I think that's fair.
 
2014-01-22 05:22:58 PM
Primitive tribal belief systems are primitive.

Film at 11.
 
2014-01-22 06:22:02 PM
In the pooper?
 
2014-01-22 06:23:06 PM

NewportBarGuy: In the pooper?


NO, that's against the law.
 
2014-01-22 07:10:38 PM

ricewater_stool: NewportBarGuy: In the pooper?

NO, that's against the law.


Well, goddammit! Someone hand me a freakin' guidebook!
 
2014-01-22 08:51:46 PM
Well, considering how many downright-idiotic women still come out in droves and vote for these morons, what incentive do they have?

/how they ever garner more than ~10% of the female vote is beyond me
 
2014-01-22 09:00:41 PM
I think this par for the course for conservative protestant types.
 
2014-01-22 09:31:24 PM
"I reasoned that surely Jesus did not in any way teach the idea of a chauvinistic male-centered marriage," Pearce wrote in his book. "We are all created in God's image, I reasoned, so it could not be that the man is in some way superior or the wife inferior."

That word...
 
2014-01-22 09:35:19 PM
Make each couple take a series of intelligence and social skills tests and then whoever scores lower has to submit. It would work out sweet for me as I would be absolved of all responsibility.
 
2014-01-22 09:58:41 PM
These guys really like rape, don't they?
 
2014-01-22 09:59:15 PM
Great. How long before they start working on repealing spousal rape laws?

/really not interested in finding out, but pretty sure she will anyway
 
2014-01-22 10:03:01 PM
Any bets on Mrs. Pearce' safe word?
 
2014-01-22 10:04:43 PM
That's the way my wife and I operate. At least until she gives me the safe word.

/PINEAPPLE!
 
2014-01-22 10:04:51 PM
Well, of course. If she involuntarily submitted, it would be perilously close to legitimate rape.
 
2014-01-22 10:05:06 PM
I applaud the religious right's endorsement of 24-7 BDSM relationships.
 
2014-01-22 10:06:00 PM

Snapper Carr: Any bets on Mrs. Pearce' safe word?


Missed it by this much...
 
2014-01-22 10:06:05 PM

Shadowknight: That's the way my wife and I operate. At least until she gives me the safe word.

/PINEAPPLE!



My safe word is "Ow!"

Then again, I have a low pain threshold.
 
2014-01-22 10:06:26 PM

Snapper Carr: Any bets on Mrs. Pearce' safe word?


People usually have kinks that are the opposite of what they espouse or portray in public.

Mr. Pearce probably has the safe word.
 
2014-01-22 10:07:33 PM
If they voluntarily submit, then when am I suppose to use the whip? And it's kinda hard to consent with the ball gag.
 
2014-01-22 10:07:48 PM

Snapper Carr: Any bets on Mrs. Pearce' safe word?


ANTIQUES ROADSHOW!
 
2014-01-22 10:16:40 PM

Snarfangel: Shadowknight: That's the way my wife and I operate. At least until she gives me the safe word.

/PINEAPPLE!


My safe word is "Ow!"

Then again, I have a low pain threshold.


My wife is a sailor. She can take it while dishing out enough profanity to make a 4channer blush.

It scares me sometimes.

/and I like it...
 
2014-01-22 10:17:57 PM

NewportBarGuy: ricewater_stool: NewportBarGuy: In the pooper?

NO, that's against the law.

Well, goddammit! Someone hand me a freakin' guidebook!


And some paper towels.
 
2014-01-22 10:18:16 PM
He isn't talking about sex. He's talking about the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage. If one neither reads nor understands the Bible and the context that surrounds the related verses, then of course it sounds misogynistic.

But certainly, it's funnier to talk about butt stuff.
 
2014-01-22 10:18:16 PM
You sure it wasn't propplegate?
 
2014-01-22 10:20:06 PM

Ambivalence: I tell you what, i will submit to my husband in the bedroom if he submits to me everywhere else. I think that's fair.


I'll tell you what, don't put out and watch how long the marriage lasts.
 
2014-01-22 10:20:47 PM

Blahbbs: He's talking about the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage.


Right, because marriage is about what? Oh yeah, who gets the right to mate with which women. Totally not about sex.

/half of the laws in the damn Bible are about whom you can sleep with
 
2014-01-22 10:20:51 PM

Blahbbs: He isn't talking about sex. He's talking about the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage. If one neither reads nor understands the Bible and the context that surrounds the related verses, then of course it sounds misogynistic.

But certainly, it's funnier to talk about butt stuff.


Who ordered the wet blanket?

Sorry, buddy, no one here ordered wet blanket.
 
2014-01-22 10:22:17 PM

Blahbbs: He isn't talking about sex. He's talking about the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage. If one neither reads nor understands the Bible and the context that surrounds the related verses, then of course it sounds misogynistic.

But certainly, it's funnier to talk about butt stuff.


Because, certainly, "spiritual leadership" is a characteristic that is carried solely on the Y chromosome.
 
2014-01-22 10:22:56 PM

Blahbbs: He isn't talking about sex. He's talking about the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage. If one neither reads nor understands the Bible and the context that surrounds the related verses, then of course it sounds misogynistic.

But certainly, it's funnier to talk about butt stuff.


FTFY
 
2014-01-22 10:24:08 PM

Ambivalence: I tell you what, i will submit to my husband in the bedroom if he submits to me everywhere else. I think that's fair.


www.seeyourinterest.com
Everywhere else is behind the cube in the middle.
 
2014-01-22 10:25:41 PM
Blahbbs: ...the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage.

What the hell does that mean?
 
2014-01-22 10:25:46 PM
Sounds like an old white guy... yep.
 
2014-01-22 10:26:14 PM

Ambivalence: I tell you what, i will submit to my husband in the bedroom if he submits to me everywhere else. I think that's fair.


I bet a lot of men would take that offer.
 
2014-01-22 10:27:03 PM
I'm sure it's written just like that in the bible. Right next to the part with comparative merits of man anus to vagina, the part about having a same sex encounter leads to bestiality, and African-Americans were much happier when they had no rights and could be lynched for looking at a white woman. Jesus said it, I'm sure of it.
 
2014-01-22 10:29:32 PM
"I reasoned that surely Jesus did not in any way teach the idea of a chauvinistic male-centered marriage," Pearce wrote in his book.

You didn't reason at all, Congressman, considering that it was PAUL who preached on wives submitting to their husbands (in a letter whose authorship is generally contested by Biblical scholars). Presumably he means Ephesians 5:22-24:

22Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

And regardless of whether that's valid or not--it isn't from Jesus's teachings. So you lose twice, Mr. Pearce.
 
2014-01-22 10:31:12 PM
And yet he seemed to find a woman that would marry him.
 
2014-01-22 10:32:04 PM

Ambivalence: I tell you what, i will submit to my husband in the bedroom if he submits to me everywhere else. I think that's fair.


I had that offer once.

/good times, good times
 
2014-01-22 10:33:31 PM

Gyrfalcon: "I reasoned that surely Jesus did not in any way teach the idea of a chauvinistic male-centered marriage," Pearce wrote in his book.

You didn't reason at all, Congressman, considering that it was PAUL who preached on wives submitting to their husbands (in a letter whose authorship is generally contested by Biblical scholars). Presumably he means Ephesians 5:22-24:

22Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

And regardless of whether that's valid or not--it isn't from Jesus's teachings. So you lose twice, Mr. Pearce.


You forgot like the entire rest of that chapter............
If you're gonna call out people for biblical pick and choose herpa derp don't do pick and choose herpa derp

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church- 30 for we are members of his body. 31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32 This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
 
2014-01-22 10:33:43 PM

Gyrfalcon: "I reasoned that surely Jesus did not in any way teach the idea of a chauvinistic male-centered marriage," Pearce wrote in his book.

You didn't reason at all, Congressman, considering that it was PAUL who preached on wives submitting to their husbands (in a letter whose authorship is generally contested by Biblical scholars). Presumably he means Ephesians 5:22-24:

22Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

And regardless of whether that's valid or not--it isn't from Jesus's teachings. So you lose twice, Mr. Pearce.



However, Christ did teach us that we shouldn't throw stones at our wife, even if she's taken in adultery. Which makes him persona non grata in Texas, or anywhere with a lot of stones lying around.
 
2014-01-22 10:33:52 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Snapper Carr: Any bets on Mrs. Pearce' safe word?

People usually have kinks that are the opposite of what they espouse or portray in public.

Mr. Pearce probably has the safe word.


"single-payer"
 
2014-01-22 10:34:22 PM
To be fair, he does have a somewhat forward thinking interpretation of that biblical edict.

Men aren't superior, they just have different roles than women.

Too bad that view gives you the same results as the other, just with marginally less overt sexism.

And it also spreads the blame in an abusive relationship. The man is wrong for beating and abusing his wife, but then he wouldn't have to if she would just submit willingly...
 
2014-01-22 10:36:54 PM

Blahbbs: He isn't talking about sex. He's talking about the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage. If one neither reads nor understands the Bible and the context that surrounds the related verses, then of course it sounds misogynistic.

But certainly, it's funnier to talk about butt stuff.


Oh yeah, that makes it all better.
 
2014-01-22 10:36:58 PM

Blahbbs: He isn't talking about sex. He's talking about the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage. If one neither reads nor understands the Bible and the context that surrounds the related verses, then of course it sounds misogynistic.

But certainly, it's funnier to talk about butt stuff.


It's so adorable that you think that something being biblical means it's not misogynistic.
 
2014-01-22 10:37:14 PM
Is it that the GOP is utterly incapable of being human, or that they just plain don't wanna?
 
2014-01-22 10:39:02 PM

Gyrfalcon: "I reasoned that surely Jesus did not in any way teach the idea of a chauvinistic male-centered marriage," Pearce wrote in his book.

You didn't reason at all, Congressman, considering that it was PAUL who preached on wives submitting to their husbands (in a letter whose authorship is generally contested by Biblical scholars). Presumably he means Ephesians 5:22-24:

22Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

And regardless of whether that's valid or not--it isn't from Jesus's teachings. So you lose twice, Mr. Pearce.


Reading is for gay-married libby-libs. Where in the Bible does Jesus tell people to read anything?
 
2014-01-22 10:39:43 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church- 30 for we are members of his body. 31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32 This is a profound mystery-but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.


Seems to be a pretty big loophole in there for someone who doesn't love their own body.

Also it assumes that women are inherently sinful and men need to give of themselves to make her holy and clean.
 
2014-01-22 10:41:46 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Reading is for gay-married libby-libs. Where in the Bible does Jesus tell people to read anything?


I love your username. I don't really have anything to add.

Haven't felt this way since Weedlord Bonerhitler.
 
2014-01-22 10:41:54 PM

Blahbbs: He isn't talking about sex. He's talking about the submission to a husband's spiritual leadership in the marriage. If one neither reads nor understands the Bible and the context that surrounds the related verses, then of course it sounds misogynistic.

But certainly, it's funnier to talk about butt stuff.


I think the whole "Spiritual Leadership" thing is a bunch of voodoo anyway, but even taken at face value I still don't see how that's not misogynistic.  It's still saying that women aren't capable of finding their own path to God, and shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about such things and just do what their husband says.

Just because it's in a well read book of fairy tales doesn't mean it's not misogynistic.
 
2014-01-22 10:43:21 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Also it assumes that women are inherently sinful and men need to give of themselves to make her holy and clean.


Paul kept his choice words for men's sexual immorality in Romans.  IYKWIMAITYD
 
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