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2014-01-22 05:15:57 PM  
They ditched the need to always have someone in a transporter room except when receiving dignitaries or or guests at some point, didn't they?  Because it seemed they could nearly always reroute transporter control when necessary, and had access from the bridge as well.
 
2014-01-22 05:17:53 PM  
He had a much cooler job on DS9, though. Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!
 
2014-01-22 05:26:53 PM  

meat0918: They ditched the need to always have someone in a transporter room except when receiving dignitaries or or guests at some point, didn't they?  Because it seemed they could nearly always reroute transporter control when necessary, and had access from the bridge as well.


He was the Walmart greeter in space.

Kome: He had a much cooler job on DS9, though.


My god they punished that man over and over and over again. Watch them in order on Netflixs. You'll be begging for mercy for he man.

Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!


I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?
 
2014-01-22 05:28:55 PM  
If he'd had half a brain he'd transport the Planet Valaria Love Courtesans to his quarters whenever he was bored.
 
2014-01-22 05:49:18 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?


Thirded. Now that that's settled we can argue about the WORST Trek series...
 
2014-01-22 05:52:53 PM  

Kome: He had a much cooler job on DS9, though. Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!


It's really hard to compare the 2.  DS9 was way ahead of it's time.  It aired before people liked longer story arcs in TV series.
 
2014-01-22 05:54:17 PM  

fusillade762: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?

Thirded. Now that that's settled we can argue about the WORST Trek series...


Voyager, and not because of Janeway.  I just had zero attachment to anyone, except the Doctor and Kess.

And the whole "We've let the Marquis rejoin" BS?  WTF?
 
2014-01-22 06:14:53 PM  
He had a beautiful wife and kid.
 
2014-01-22 06:23:22 PM  
Could you imagine being the first person there in an accident?  Like what happened in The Motion Picture?  Not to mention the (probable) fact that you're really dying in the transporter and someone else is taking your place at the other end.
 
2014-01-22 06:24:09 PM  
I watched pretty much all the Star Wars episodes except for DS9.
 
2014-01-22 06:29:01 PM  

divx88: I watched pretty much all the Star Wars episodes except for DS9.


You missed out on the Cylons fighting River.
 
2014-01-22 06:29:50 PM  

meat0918: fusillade762: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?

Thirded. Now that that's settled we can argue about the WORST Trek series...

Voyager, and not because of Janeway.  I just had zero attachment to anyone, except the Doctor and Kess.

And the whole "We've let the Marquis rejoin" BS?  WTF?


Enterprise wins the worst award hands down.  From the terrible theme song to the every other terribleness of it.
 
2014-01-22 06:30:02 PM  

meat0918: fusillade762: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?

Thirded. Now that that's settled we can argue about the WORST Trek series...


Voyager, and not because of Janeway.


FTFY

/and not because she's a she, but because she was simply a horrible Captain.
 
2014-01-22 06:34:20 PM  

timujin: meat0918: fusillade762: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?

Thirded. Now that that's settled we can argue about the WORST Trek series...


Voyager, and not because of Janeway.

FTFY

/and not because she's a she, but because she was simply a horrible Captain.


Did you read some of the last novels set in the pre-Abrams Trekverse? Let's just say that post-Voyager Janeway doesn't fare so well.

But yes, Voyager is the worst, because of the episode "Threshold" which should've ended the series right then and there.
 
2014-01-22 06:34:49 PM  

sprgrss: meat0918: fusillade762: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?

Thirded. Now that that's settled we can argue about the WORST Trek series...

Voyager, and not because of Janeway.  I just had zero attachment to anyone, except the Doctor and Kess.

And the whole "We've let the Marquis rejoin" BS?  WTF?

Enterprise wins the worst award hands down.  From the terrible theme song to the every other terribleness of it.


Don't feed the trolls.

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2014-01-22 06:35:36 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: meat0918: They ditched the need to always have someone in a transporter room except when receiving dignitaries or or guests at some point, didn't they?  Because it seemed they could nearly always reroute transporter control when necessary, and had access from the bridge as well.

He was the Walmart greeter in space.


I always thought of him as the fall-guy or the guy no one likes being around. He had a gruff personality so he wasn't the best greeter.
I figure he sits in that room and operates the controls because no one wants to take the blame when the transporter accidentally cuts someone in half.

Or maybe he's just a downer to be around, kinda like that one guy at work who's so negative the management gives him the one job he does well and keeps him isolated from everyone else.
 
2014-01-22 06:37:59 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?


DS9 is Babylon 5 with Star Trek in it.  So, yeah, it's gonna be hella cool.
 
2014-01-22 06:40:58 PM  

sprgrss: Enterprise wins the worst award hands down. From the terrible theme song to the every other terribleness of it.


I think a lot of people never got past the themesong.

Enterprise was actually a pretty good show. It certainly had its misses, but when it hit it hit well.

Plus it had the best two-parter Trek episode of all time.

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2014-01-22 06:41:51 PM  

gnosis301: Could you imagine being the first person there in an accident?  Like what happened in The Motion Picture?  Not to mention the (probable) fact that you're really dying in the transporter and someone else is taking your place at the other end.


The Outer Limits episode "Think Like a Dinosaur" dealt with this idea quite nicely
 
2014-01-22 06:43:11 PM  

FunkOut: divx88: I watched pretty much all the Star Wars episodes except for DS9.

You missed out on the Cylons fighting River.


Dude, spoilers!  I'm only up to the season where Buffy and Leela have to get the stones back from the Mangalores.
 
2014-01-22 06:44:29 PM  
Voyager's only three redeeming factors:
voy.trekcore.com

www.startrek.com

/fap
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2014-01-22 06:51:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: He had a much cooler job on DS9, though.

My god they punished that man over and over and over again. Watch them in order on Netflixs. You'll be begging for mercy for he man.


The writing staff even had a name for it: "O'Brien Must Suffer".

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?


As much as I love TNG, there's no denying that some of the early episodes were decidedly clunky.  DS9 is a better show, but I think a lot of the reason is because by the time it aired the writing and production staff had learned from the mistakes made by TNG.

I'd argue that if you compare the quality of episodes in both shows when they were simultaneously on the air, they're pretty damn close.

DuudeStanky: The Stealth Hippopotamus: meat0918: They ditched the need to always have someone in a transporter room except when receiving dignitaries or or guests at some point, didn't they?  Because it seemed they could nearly always reroute transporter control when necessary, and had access from the bridge as well.

He was the Walmart greeter in space.

I always thought of him as the fall-guy or the guy no one likes being around. He had a gruff personality so he wasn't the best greeter.
I figure he sits in that room and operates the controls because no one wants to take the blame when the transporter accidentally cuts someone in half.

Or maybe he's just a downer to be around, kinda like that one guy at work who's so negative the management gives him the one job he does well and keeps him isolated from everyone else.


In my mind, when he wasn't actively in the transporter room doing something he was sitting down in a chair somewhere reading things.  Of course the show did a really bad job of giving us a hint at that, since literally every time we see him in the first few seasons he's standing behind the transporter console.  Then again, maybe he's got an auto-transport routine set up so he can be beamed in just before any officers make their way to one of the transporter rooms.  That would explain why he's always conveniently at the one transporter room Picard or whoever goes to, even though the Enterprise has like three of them.

sprgrss: Enterprise wins the worst award hands down. From the terrible theme song to the every other terribleness of it.


There's some argument to be made for Voyager and its periodic forays into wish-washy woo-woo bullcrap, but Enterprise still pulls ahead even before you factor in the godawful ending.  Also, as much as I like Scott Bakula, Archer is the worst starship captain in Star Trek.  His entire theory of diplomacy is "stagger into situation without any grasp of tact or culture clash, cause a scene, rely on the crew to bail your ass out."
 
2014-01-22 06:51:58 PM  
God, Enterprise was a steaming pile of poo.

It made Voyager seem watchable.
 
2014-01-22 06:53:59 PM  

ColonelCathcart: sprgrss: meat0918: fusillade762: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?

Thirded. Now that that's settled we can argue about the WORST Trek series...

Voyager, and not because of Janeway.  I just had zero attachment to anyone, except the Doctor and Kess.

And the whole "We've let the Marquis rejoin" BS?  WTF?

Enterprise wins the worst award hands down.  From the terrible theme song to the every other terribleness of it.

Don't feed the trolls.

Enterprise
DS9
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2014-01-22 06:57:30 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: I think a lot of people never got past the themesong.


I never really understood the thought process behind the theme song.  Every one of the series that came before it had a theme that was written for it and had no singing.  Then for some reason they decided to pick a song off the radio and slap it on Enterprise.
 
2014-01-22 06:57:32 PM  
The DS9 Creative team loved to torture O'Brien. They specifically wrote an episode every season in which they put him through the worst shiat they could, because it was fun to watch.

They even said that if they had known they were going to get the episode "It's Only A Paper Moon" out of Nog losing his leg, they would have cut O'Brien's leg off instead.

/and we don't mention his holodeck hijinks with Bashir. What happens at Quark's stays at Quark's.
 
2014-01-22 06:59:56 PM  
Worst, saddest, job on the Enterprise?

Holodeck jizz mopper.
 
2014-01-22 07:00:08 PM  
I hated Enterprise but those two mirror universe episodes were still pretty awesome.

/should've ended the series there, instead of with the stupid Fat-Riker-Holodeck finale
 
2014-01-22 07:02:01 PM  

Tax Boy: Worst, saddest, job on the Enterprise?

Holodeck jizz mopper.


I prefer to think that much like they repurposed the EMH Mark 1s as conduit maintenance workers, they repurposed the EMH Mark 2 Andy Dick models as Holodeck Jizz Moppers.
 
2014-01-22 07:02:57 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: The DS9 Creative team loved to torture O'Brien. They specifically wrote an episode every season in which they put him through the worst shiat they could, because it was fun to watch.

They even said that if they had known they were going to get the episode "It's Only A Paper Moon" out of Nog losing his leg, they would have cut O'Brien's leg off instead.

/and we don't mention his holodeck hijinks with Bashir. What happens at Quark's stays at Quark's.


Yeah, how the fark did OBrien not lose somthing durring the war? I mean he should have lost a limb! An eyeball! Bladder control!

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See, much more badass.
 
2014-01-22 07:03:47 PM  

sprgrss: meat0918: fusillade762: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Kome: Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!

I don't understand. I thought this was already settled. It's kind of obvious isn't it?

Thirded. Now that that's settled we can argue about the WORST Trek series...

Voyager, and not because of Janeway.  I just had zero attachment to anyone, except the Doctor and Kess.

And the whole "We've let the Marquis rejoin" BS?  WTF?

Enterprise wins the worst award hands down.  From the terrible theme song to the every other terribleness of it.


incorrect, enterprise beats out voyager because the viewer can pretend enterprise is a quantum leap episode. voyager's finest moment was...um...i've got nothing. voyager was the turdiest turd that ever smeared the turd-o-vision. I'd rather watch the old Star Trek cartoon
 
2014-01-22 07:03:58 PM  

yukichigai: Also, as much as I like Scott Bakula, Archer is the worst starship captain in Star Trek. His entire theory of diplomacy is "stagger into situation without any grasp of tact or culture clash, cause a scene, rely on the crew to bail your ass out.


I think Bakula is a pretty good actor with skills as shown by his time on Quantum Leap.  However, his acting on Enterprise was horrible.  I'd dare say worse than William Shatner as Kirk.
 
2014-01-22 07:04:10 PM  

COMALite J: But yes, Voyager is the worst, because of the episode "Threshold" which should've ended the series right then and there.


Everyone seems to forget about the 'Genesis' episode of NextGen when mentioning Threshold. Granted nobody got busy in it, but still...

Voyager was very up and down, but still better than most things on TV at the time IMHO.


/X Files being the best show of the 1990's, of course
 
2014-01-22 07:07:49 PM  

yukichigai: As much as I love TNG, there's no denying that some of the early episodes were decidedly clunky. DS9 is a better show, but I think a lot of the reason is because by the time it aired the writing and production staff had learned from the mistakes made by TNG.


I've always felt the strength of DS9 was in the recurring characters - Garak, Dukat, Martok, Weyoun, Damar, etc.

They allowed essentially one act characters to grow and spread their wings. Damar, for instance, started out as Dukat's flight controller, and ended up a martyr for his people 4 years later. Martok was Gowron's General in one episode, but eventually becomes leader of the Klingon Empire. Then there's Garak. ("You would stab a man in the back?" "Well, it's the safest way")

And everyone, including Quark and heck even Kieko O'Brien got at least a few episodes to shine.

But yeah, writing/story wise, DS9 probably had the fewest episodes that were downright embarrassing to watch. Alameraine 1-2-3 comes to mind, as does O'Brien vs. the Sentient Storm.
 
2014-01-22 07:13:33 PM  
As bad as it was for Miles, it was far, far, more depressing to be Barclay.
 
2014-01-22 07:14:33 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: The DS9 Creative team loved to torture O'Brien. They specifically wrote an episode every season in which they put him through the worst shiat they could, because it was fun to watch.


Not as badly as they tortured Ensign Kim in Voyager.
 
2014-01-22 07:17:17 PM  

DuudeStanky: The Stealth Hippopotamus: meat0918: They ditched the need to always have someone in a transporter room except when receiving dignitaries or or guests at some point, didn't they?  Because it seemed they could nearly always reroute transporter control when necessary, and had access from the bridge as well.

He was the Walmart greeter in space.

I always thought of him as the fall-guy or the guy no one likes being around. He had a gruff personality so he wasn't the best greeter.
I figure he sits in that room and operates the controls because no one wants to take the blame when the transporter accidentally cuts someone in half.

Or maybe he's just a downer to be around, kinda like that one guy at work who's so negative the management gives him the one job he does well and keeps him isolated from everyone else.


That's TNG O'Brien. DS9 O'Brien is much, much better.
 
2014-01-22 07:19:22 PM  

Mugato: FirstNationalBastard: The DS9 Creative team loved to torture O'Brien. They specifically wrote an episode every season in which they put him through the worst shiat they could, because it was fun to watch.

Not as badly as they tortured Ensign Kim in Voyager.


Yeah, but no one cared about torturing Kim.

Plus, I think the Kim torturing came from hate. I mean, they were going to kill his ass off until he made some top 100 hottest list. And IIRC, Garrett Wang was a real... well, wang behind the scenes. So, the writers just tortured Kim for fun.

But the writers tortured O'Brien because they loved Colm Meany's acting.
 
2014-01-22 07:23:52 PM  

Kome: He had a much cooler job on DS9, though. Which, generally, was just a superior show all around.

/let's get the flame war started!


It was much better than the remake: BSG.
 
2014-01-22 07:24:35 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And IIRC, Garrett Wang was a real... well, wang behind the scenes. So, the writers just tortured Kim for fun.


Well at least he had something to do. No one else besides Seven and the Doctor did anything.
 
2014-01-22 07:28:04 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: yukichigai: Also, as much as I like Scott Bakula, Archer is the worst starship captain in Star Trek. His entire theory of diplomacy is "stagger into situation without any grasp of tact or culture clash, cause a scene, rely on the crew to bail your ass out.

I think Bakula is a pretty good actor with skills as shown by his time on Quantum Leap.  However, his acting on Enterprise was horrible.  I'd dare say worse than William Shatner as Kirk.


I don't know. I think an actor can only do so much with the script they're given, and half of those Enterprise scripts had serious issues.  Like I said, Archer's characterization was as a blundering almost-cowboy, worse than Kirk even in terms of not considering outside viewpoints.  It's hard for any actor to make that appealing and fun to watch, barring playing it up for comedy.  I'm not saying someone couldn't have done better, but I don't begrudge Bakula's performance.

Also, think of how he did in the Mirror Universe episodes.  That was some good acting.  With a good script he was fine.  Clearly the man's weakness was awful scripts.

Nexzus: yukichigai: As much as I love TNG, there's no denying that some of the early episodes were decidedly clunky. DS9 is a better show, but I think a lot of the reason is because by the time it aired the writing and production staff had learned from the mistakes made by TNG.

I've always felt the strength of DS9 was in the recurring characters - Garak, Dukat, Martok, Weyoun, Damar, etc.

They allowed essentially one act characters to grow and spread their wings. Damar, for instance, started out as Dukat's flight controller, and ended up a martyr for his people 4 years later. Martok was Gowron's General in one episode, but eventually becomes leader of the Klingon Empire. Then there's Garak. ("You would stab a man in the back?" "Well, it's the safest way")

And everyone, including Quark and heck even Kieko O'Brien got at least a few episodes to shine.


I'd say that was one of the things they learned, very especially because of the early seasons of TNG.  Probably the biggest example of that is Tasha Yar: the writers neglected her (and a few other characters) because they were "minor", and so the actress quit.  Hell, technically they lost two characters (Dr. Crusher), but Crusher came back after the writers figured out that a good ensemble show requires you to spend some time on every character, not just the main ones.

By the time DS9 rolled around TNG had figured out that the audience wants to know more about everyone, not just the people with top billing.  It's what led to Reg Barclay, or Lwaxana Troi.  The writing staff figured out that if guest stars could become beloved characters associated with a show, then maybe minor characters could have that same kind of appeal.

Also Garak is almost Urkel-like in terms of becoming a surprisingly important character for someone who started off relatively minor.  While I have no doubt he was meant to have some background and depth, I doubt anyone expected the character to resonate so very well with the audience.  Probably because half the things he said were either epically sarcastic or true in a hilariously pragmatic way.

/I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences.
 
2014-01-22 07:28:16 PM  
I still have no idea why in the hell DS9 had an enlisted member as the Chief Engineer.
 
2014-01-22 07:33:50 PM  

yukichigai: Hell, technically they lost two characters (Dr. Crusher), but Crusher came back after the writers figured out that a good ensemble show requires you to spend some time on every character, not just the main ones.


I thought that was a case of "Producer is a cocksucker, producer hates actress, producer fires actress, producer leaves show, actress comes back when better producer is running things".

/Maurice Hurley pissed off pretty much everyone. Hell, Tracy Torme named the weasely little Computer Store manager in Sliders "Hurley" as a shot at his former boss.
 
2014-01-22 07:36:32 PM  

TV's Vinnie: As bad as it was for Miles, it was far, far, more depressing to be Barclay.


You mean Admiral Barclay?

One of the few characters in all of Trek to overcome realistic issues and have setbacks and continue to geek it out and power through? That Reginald Barclay?
 
2014-01-22 07:36:36 PM  
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2014-01-22 07:37:35 PM  

Shadow Blasko: TV's Vinnie: As bad as it was for Miles, it was far, far, more depressing to be Barclay.

You mean Admiral Barclay?

One of the few characters in all of Trek to overcome realistic issues and have setbacks and continue to geek it out and power through? That Reginald Barclay?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-22 07:37:43 PM  

Mugato: FirstNationalBastard: The DS9 Creative team loved to torture O'Brien. They specifically wrote an episode every season in which they put him through the worst shiat they could, because it was fun to watch.

Not as badly as they tortured Ensign Kim in Voyager.


Seven years and the man never made it past Ensign. Hell, Paris got demoted and promoted again in that time frame.
 
2014-01-22 07:38:32 PM  

Gleeman: COMALite J: But yes, Voyager is the worst, because of the episode "Threshold" which should've ended the series right then and there.

Everyone seems to forget about the 'Genesis' episode of NextGen when mentioning Threshold. Granted nobody got busy in it, but still...

Voyager was very up and down, but still better than most things on TV at the time IMHO.


/X Files being the best show of the 1990's, of course


You misspelled Farscape.
 
2014-01-22 07:39:41 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Shadow Blasko: TV's Vinnie: As bad as it was for Miles, it was far, far, more depressing to be Barclay.

You mean Admiral Barclay?

One of the few characters in all of Trek to overcome realistic issues and have setbacks and continue to geek it out and power through? That Reginald Barclay?


Oh. Ok. In this reference. Got it.
 
2014-01-22 07:40:01 PM  

El_Dandy_IX: Mugato: FirstNationalBastard: The DS9 Creative team loved to torture O'Brien. They specifically wrote an episode every season in which they put him through the worst shiat they could, because it was fun to watch.

Not as badly as they tortured Ensign Kim in Voyager.

Seven years and the man never made it past Ensign. Hell, Paris got demoted and promoted again in that time frame.


Yeah, because apparently, Brannon Braga figured "somebody's gotta be the Ensign!", even though none of the other series had ensigns in the main cast.
 
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