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2014-01-22 05:45:24 PM  
Translation: how can we gain Latino votes without pissing off our base and getting primaried.
 
2014-01-22 05:51:32 PM  
FTFA: Namely, that the House won't pursue an immigration overhaul bill that's as comprehensive or wide sweeping as the Senate's, nor will it go to conference with the Senate bill.

It wouldn't have to anyway, because Boehner doesn't have enough power to deliver enough votes for it in the first place. I doubt he'll bring it up.
 
2014-01-22 05:59:54 PM  
FTFA: "I've got farmers back in my district that feel like we have to deal with this immigration issue," Meadows said. "They feel, by not acting, we're making a decision."

It sounds like he's saying that "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." Interesting. In the rush toward making immigration policy, they'll have to be sure not to make any permanent waves that could come back to haunt them. Just between us, I think its time for the TeaBaggers and other Republicans to recognize the differences they sometimes fear to show each other. It would be a sign of maturity. After all, the political spaces in between leave room for both of them to grow.
 
2014-01-22 06:38:27 PM  

fusillade762: Translation: how can we gain Latino votes without pissing off our base and getting primaried.



Promise an increase in social subsidization?*


* why not, worked the last couple times around
 
2014-01-22 06:39:07 PM  
Can there be a sensible immigration policy that's tough enough for the conservatives to agree, but flexible and and affordable for the progressives to like, and humane enough for it to actually make sense?.

/I also would like to get a flaming chariot run by dire half-silver dragon unicorns
 
2014-01-22 06:42:26 PM  

CygnusDarius: Can there be a sensible immigration policy that's tough enough for the conservatives to agree, but flexible and and affordable for the progressives to like, and humane enough for it to actually make sense?.

/I also would like to get a flaming chariot run by dire half-silver dragon unicorns



How about an exchange program.  You send us one of yours, we'll send you one of ours.  Deadbeat dads and welfare queens take notice!
 
2014-01-22 06:44:23 PM  

fusillade762: Translation: how can we gain Latino votes without pissing off our base and getting primaried.


Done in one.
 
2014-01-22 06:45:01 PM  

clowncar on fire: welfare queens


What is a "welfare queen" ? Can you give an example for illustration?
 
2014-01-22 06:47:42 PM  

Somacandra: Can you give an example for illustration?


He'll just keep shuffling the illustrated examples around for you, leaving you with nothing but moving pictures.
 
2014-01-22 06:49:13 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: "I've got farmers back in my district that feel like we have to deal with this immigration issue," Meadows said. "They feel, by not acting, we're making a decision."

It sounds like he's saying that "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." Interesting. In the rush toward making immigration policy, they'll have to be sure not to make any permanent waves that could come back to haunt them. Just between us, I think its time for the TeaBaggers and other Republicans to recognize the differences they sometimes fear to show each other. It would be a sign of maturity. After all, the political spaces in between leave room for both of them to grow.


I farking love you. Way to work in the Etre Nous lyrics rather than seeing how many album and song titles you could squeeze in there.
 
2014-01-22 06:49:37 PM  
I support blanket amnesty for the first 40 million people who apply, but that won't curb illegal immigration, it'll only encourage it. So what happens ten years from now when 40 million more are demanding amnesty?
 
2014-01-22 06:53:30 PM  

Somacandra: clowncar on fire: welfare queens

What is a "welfare queen" ? Can you give an example for illustration?


inserbia.info
 
2014-01-22 06:55:44 PM  

MJMaloney187: So what happens ten years from now when 40 million more are demanding amnesty?


Guam sinks into the ocean.
 
2014-01-22 06:59:00 PM  
Ross agreed there is a way to "allow for legal status ... without giving anybody amnesty."

Democrats do it it's "amnesty"; Republicans do it's "Not Amnesty"

Besides they are using the term "amnesty" wrong. It doesn't mean how they are use it. Almost no one is saying "We should just make illegals, legal citizens outright" (which would be "Amnesty") well except Reagen  but we supposed to ignore that.
 
2014-01-22 07:01:00 PM  

Somacandra: clowncar on fire: welfare queens

What is a "welfare queen" ? Can you give an example for illustration?


A racist caricature of someone who is on welfare. Bonus if they know someone who knows someone who saw them buying rims or lobster with food stamps.
 
2014-01-22 07:01:26 PM  
www.reagan.utexas.edu

What a politician giving true "amnesty" to illegal aliens actually looks like.
 
2014-01-22 07:15:10 PM  

Corvus: What a politician giving true "amnesty" to illegal aliens actually looks like.


Clearly a democrat
 
2014-01-22 07:20:51 PM  

Corvus: [www.reagan.utexas.edu image 750x495]

What a politician giving true "amnesty" to illegal aliens actually looks like.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-22 07:23:12 PM  

Somacandra: What is a "welfare queen" ? Can you give an example for illustration?


sometags.com
 
2014-01-22 07:30:16 PM  
We need a comprehensive plan to control immigration.  Any plan that has these features should pass no problem:

1. Fine the ever loving shiat out of any employer who even thinks about saving a buck and hiring an illegal.
2. Fine the employers again just because I'm sick of big business taking advantage of folks.  Pile those fines high.
3. Offer free transportation to their home country for any illegal who realizes it sucks to be here with no job.

Yep, that ought to cover it.
 
2014-01-22 07:35:19 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Somacandra: clowncar on fire: welfare queens

What is a "welfare queen" ? Can you give an example for illustration?

[inserbia.info image 650x350]


static2.businessinsider.com

www.itron.com

www.wkrb13.com
 
2014-01-22 08:02:54 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: MJMaloney187: So what happens ten years from now when 40 million more are demanding amnesty?

Guam sinks into the ocean.


We're going to add 1 person to your household every year for the next 10 years. Is that ok with you (provided you don't live in Guam)?
 
2014-01-22 08:14:07 PM  
BP, Lockheed Martin, the NFL, and ADM directly employ tens of thousands of people. The tax breaks they legally get are a pittance compared to the families they support in the form of goods and services (and paychecks). A welfare queen is nothing like a corporation. Welfare queens give nothing back or offer anything useful. "Welfare queen" isn't some coded racist pejorative, it's an abbreviation. But the thread digresses ...
 
2014-01-22 08:15:26 PM  

Descartes: We need a comprehensive plan to control immigration.  Any plan that has these features should pass no problem:

1. Fine the ever loving shiat out of any employer who even thinks about saving a buck and hiring an illegal.
2. Fine the employers again just because I'm sick of big business taking advantage of folks.  Pile those fines high.
3. Offer free transportation to their home country for any illegal who realizes it sucks to be here with no job.

Yep, that ought to cover it.


So it's the employer's job to enforce the immigration laws? Conservatives aren't going to go for that.

And liberals will scream hiring discrimination because fear of being fined.
 
2014-01-22 08:24:53 PM  

Corvus: "We should just make illegals, legal citizens outright" (which would be "Amnesty") well except Reagen  but we supposed to ignore that.


You have a citation on when he made everyone legal citizens outright?
 
2014-01-22 08:32:06 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Somacandra: Can you give an example for illustration?

He'll just keep shuffling the illustrated examples around for you, leaving you with nothing but moving pictures.


Life's a gamble, you just have to roll the bones.  Sometimes you get a fly by night operation, other times you can manage to become rich and own a red Barchetta.
 
2014-01-22 08:32:28 PM  

MJMaloney187: I support blanket amnesty for the first 40 million people who apply, but that won't curb illegal immigration, it'll only encourage it. So what happens ten years from now when 40 million more are demanding amnesty?


Because it's incredibly unlikely there will be another 40 million.  Net immigration has been flat recently (due to the lagging economy here and improving economy in Latin America), Latin American birth rates are plummeting.  And the USA is going to NEED immigration to keep population levels from falling before too long.
 
2014-01-22 08:34:26 PM  
Oh good. Another complex issue reduced to a household analogy.

Ok. I'll play. Sure. Add a person to my house every year. Why should I care? They work. They pay taxes. They make excellent food. I'd be a fool to shut my door. A hungry fool.
 
2014-01-22 08:35:22 PM  
I love how republicans always ignore the fact that deportations have skyrocketed under Obama.
 
2014-01-22 08:40:43 PM  

CygnusDarius: Can there be a sensible immigration policy that's tough enough for the conservatives to agree, but flexible and and affordable for the progressives to like, and humane enough for it to actually make sense?.


Just make the immgrants promise to vote Republican and then they can become citizens.
 
2014-01-22 08:46:20 PM  

fusillade762: Translation: how can we gain Latino votes without pissing off our base and getting primaried.


They can't. It's that simple. The good news for them is there aren't enough actual working farmers in their districts to make a difference at the polls. So they'll do nothing.
 
2014-01-22 08:46:39 PM  

12349876: MJMaloney187: I support blanket amnesty for the first 40 million people who apply, but that won't curb illegal immigration, it'll only encourage it. So what happens ten years from now when 40 million more are demanding amnesty?

Because it's incredibly unlikely there will be another 40 million.  Net immigration has been flat recently (due to the lagging economy here and improving economy in Latin America), Latin American birth rates are plummeting.  And the USA is going to NEED immigration to keep population levels from falling before too long.


I agree completely. We need the people and we have the room. That's why I support blanket amnesty. But you can't argue that it wouldn't cause a stampede across our borders. I don't think it's incredibly unlikely, I think it's a understated fact.
 
2014-01-22 08:59:35 PM  
the GOP has always been in favor of illegal immigration as it drives down wages

the modern GOP base is presently against any and all immigrants and brown-skinned people in general

this titanic and iceberg scenario amuses me
 
2014-01-22 08:59:44 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Oh good. Another complex issue reduced to a household analogy.

Ok. I'll play. Sure. Add a person to my house every year. Why should I care? They work. They pay taxes. They make excellent food. I'd be a fool to shut my door. A hungry fool.


It's a fair analogy. Household spending is proportional to federal spending in terms of defense, health care, education, and cost of doing business.

What if only 50% of your new family worked and paid taxes? Not to be confrontational, but it seems so me that your snark is the oversimplification ... unless you're being sincere ... if that's the case, I suggest you start a White House petition.
 
2014-01-22 09:23:17 PM  

fusillade762: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Somacandra: clowncar on fire: welfare queens

What is a "welfare queen" ? Can you give an example for illustration?

[inserbia.info image 650x350]

[static2.businessinsider.com image 400x300]

[www.itron.com image 452x314]

[www.wkrb13.com image 550x652]


Don't forget the Walton family.
 
2014-01-22 09:25:42 PM  
They pooped in the water they have to drink.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-01-22 09:34:56 PM  

MJMaloney187: I support blanket amnesty for the first 40 million people who apply, but that won't curb illegal immigration, it'll only encourage it. So what happens ten years from now when 40 million more are demanding amnesty?


Can't we just give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico? That gets rid of 2 problems.
 
2014-01-22 09:54:40 PM  

Cheater71: MJMaloney187: I support blanket amnesty for the first 40 million people who apply, but that won't curb illegal immigration, it'll only encourage it. So what happens ten years from now when 40 million more are demanding amnesty?

Can't we just give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico? That gets rid of 2 problems.


I think we have enough crazies as it is. Sell it to the Chinese, I'm sure they'll be thrilled to have territory in between Mexico and the US.
 
2014-01-22 09:59:29 PM  

Corvus: [www.reagan.utexas.edu image 750x495]

What a politician giving true "amnesty" to illegal aliens actually looks like.


He later said it was the biggest regret of his Presidency and that, specifically, he can't believe he was stupid enough to trust the Democrats that they'd hold up their part of the bargain (preventing further illegal immigration).  That is the lessen modern day conservatives (not RINOs) have learned from that episode.
 
2014-01-22 10:32:33 PM  

MJMaloney187: It's a fair analogy. Household spending is proportional to federal spending in terms of defense, health care, education, and cost of doing business.


I don't spend much anything on household defense, and I think it's an oversimplification but I did play along.

MJMaloney187: What if only 50% of your new family worked and paid taxes?


Only one third of my family works and pays taxes now.  Maybe these new ones will at least learn to load the dishwasher properly.
 
2014-01-22 11:01:45 PM  
Heh unless the GOP is willing to work with the Democrats  they are not gonna have enough votes to pass anything on imagination reform.
 
2014-01-22 11:04:38 PM  
Go ahead, build a mile high fence on the border with Mexico, and they will still keep coming.

That fence won't stop them from coming over in a commercial airliner and then "missing" a return flight. JFK is the "new" Ellis island and has been for decades.
 
2014-01-23 12:18:24 AM  

MJMaloney187: BP, Lockheed Martin, the NFL, and ADM directly employ tens of thousands of people.


So do plenty of other companies who don't get largesse from the taxpayer.  I thought the right wing talking point was that the Free Market is magic and government spending doesn't create jobs, only takes money out of some other sector of the economy.

The tax breaks they legally get are a pittance compared to the families they support in the form of goods and services (and paychecks). A welfare queen is nothing like a corporation. Welfare queens give nothing back or offer anything useful.

Except when they buy their lobster from the local supermarket and fill up their Cadillacs at the BP station.

You and I, and the Welfare Queens -- ordinary people going about our lives -- *we* are the job creators.  The plutocrats don't hire unless somebody's buying what they're selling.  The stock market has been going like gangbusters and the only trickle down has been the likes of the Koch Brothers pissing on the rest of us.

"Welfare queen" isn't some coded racist pejorative, it's an abbreviation. But the thread digresses ...

Yes, of course.  Welfare Queens are as likely to live in trailer parks as ghettos.  Only the ones in trailer parks are more likely to believe the bullschitt on Fox Izvestia and vote Republican.
 
2014-01-23 01:57:39 AM  

Cheater71: Can't we just give Arizona and Texas back to Mexico? That gets rid of 2 problems.


How do you propose to replace the oil Texas pumps?
 
2014-01-23 06:42:01 AM  
There's an article on the front page regarding U.S. birthrates. It indicates that we have another problem - and we'd better figure this immigration stuff out pretty quick. We have no concrete data on what a shrinking population would do to our economy - especially in conjunction with an aging population. I suspect that we don't want to find out.
 
2014-01-23 06:50:02 AM  

SunsetLament: Corvus: [www.reagan.utexas.edu image 750x495]

What a politician giving true "amnesty" to illegal aliens actually looks like.

He later said it was the biggest regret of his Presidency and that, specifically, he can't believe he was stupid enough to trust the Democrats that they'd hold up their part of the bargain (preventing further illegal immigration).  That is the lessen modern day conservatives (not RINOs) have learned from that episode.


It's a bad lesson - it's that habit of always thinking 35 years in the past that renders so-called "conservatives" incapable of solving actual problems.
 
2014-01-23 07:09:52 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: MJMaloney187: BP, Lockheed Martin, the NFL, and ADM directly employ tens of thousands of people.

So do plenty of other companies who don't get largesse from the taxpayer.  I thought the right wing talking point was that the Free Market is magic and government spending doesn't create jobs, only takes money out of some other sector of the economy.

The tax breaks they legally get are a pittance compared to the families they support in the form of goods and services (and paychecks). A welfare queen is nothing like a corporation. Welfare queens give nothing back or offer anything useful.

Except when they buy their lobster from the local supermarket and fill up their Cadillacs at the BP station.

You and I, and the Welfare Queens -- ordinary people going about our lives -- *we* are the job creators.  The plutocrats don't hire unless somebody's buying what they're selling.  The stock market has been going like gangbusters and the only trickle down has been the likes of the Koch Brothers pissing on the rest of us.

"Welfare queen" isn't some coded racist pejorative, it's an abbreviation. But the thread digresses ...

Yes, of course.  Welfare Queens are as likely to live in trailer parks as ghettos.  Only the ones in trailer parks are more likely to believe the bullschitt on Fox Izvestia and vote Republican.


Don't forget that while some corporations may be good (they pay their employees well and don't cause massive environmental damage), "welfare queen" companies are those that get tax breaks AND screw employees over, ruin local economies, and/or damage the environment, all in the name of increasing their bottom line. If they do those things, they shouldn't be getting tax breaks and help from the government; they should be getting taxed more.
 
2014-01-23 07:38:34 AM  

Descartes: We need a comprehensive plan to control immigration.  Any plan that has these features should pass no problem:

1. Fine the ever loving shiat out of any employer who even thinks about saving a buck and hiring an illegal.
2. Fine the employers again just because I'm sick of big business taking advantage of folks.  Pile those fines high.
3. Offer free transportation to their home country for any illegal who realizes it sucks to be here with no job.

Yep, that ought to cover it.


Except that we don't. We need programs to encourage and increase immigration - not restrict it.
Our survival as a successful nation depends on it.
We are turning into an old nation - rapidly. Our birthrate has been in negative numbers for years.
And Obama's tough immigration and deportation policies aren't helping.
We need more immigrants, not fewer - and soon.
If we let what happened to Japan happen to us, the consequences will be far worse here.
They will be catastrophic.
 
2014-01-23 09:28:24 AM  

Somacandra: What is a "welfare queen" ? Can you give an example for illustration?


www.biography.com
 
2014-01-23 09:52:31 AM  

jso2897: If we let what happened to Japan happen to us, the consequences will be far worse here.
They will be catastrophic.



Japan's ageing population could actually be good news
 
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