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(TED)   Does being wealthy make you mean? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: What are you doing just standing there? Do I pay you to just stand there? Forget it, you're fired. God it is so hard to find good help these days   (ted.com) divider line 55
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2014-01-22 04:56:31 PM
Feel free to send me all your money so none of you catch a case of this wealthy that you seem to hate so much.
 
2014-01-22 04:58:27 PM
Not sure.  Basing your life and every thought around it sure does, and I'm not rich at all.
 
2014-01-22 05:02:58 PM
I assume these scientists figured out how much fark you money it takes not to have to pretend to give a shiat what peons think
 
2014-01-22 05:09:05 PM
It's not that being rich makes you mean.
It's not even that being mean makes you rich.

It's that being a self-centered douche with a "me first" attitude leads to both.
 
2014-01-22 05:09:48 PM
Depends on your actions, subby. If you volunteer in your community, support programs which alleviate poverty conditions and have an overall altruistic liberal attitude in life in spite of your wealth, you definitely aren't mean.

But if you're acting like a total shiathead who thinks the poor are getting a free ride because they won't work, and using your affluence and power to vote to elect social conservatives to power, then you would definitely be proving subby's point.
 
2014-01-22 05:14:06 PM
You're laborers, you should be laboring!
 
2014-01-22 05:19:31 PM
I think that poor people are more likely to be generous with their time or money mostly because they are surrounded by other poor people who are asking for time/money, whom are also likely to be friends.  I doubt very much that a rich guy is getting hit up for gas money or rides all the time from his rich kids, rich friends, or rich coworkers...
 
2014-01-22 05:22:04 PM
huh, maybe money is the root of all evil.

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


I've met plenty of poor mean people
 
2014-01-22 05:22:26 PM
I'm not that well off, but the people I know who have a cash roll like Scrooge McDuck don't put up with shiat from anybody and have a low tolerance for BS.  I still think they are super cool folks.
 
2014-01-22 05:25:10 PM
Well my new boss, while clawing his way back from brokeness and lawsuits, definitely is FROM money, and he's a prick. He's also got that blunt, aggressive east coast thing going on, it's hard to tell where one starts and the other begins.
 
2014-01-22 05:28:34 PM
Cool. I been tossing this link around FARK for a little while now.

Completely explains why my normally liberal friend who owns four houses gets upset at the idea of raising property taxes just so I can get better mental health care. Because bootstraps.

/four houses, dude! I just want one!
//and of course, we never get to the point where we discuss how people with mental illnesses are supposed to pull themselves up by bootstraps they don't have. It's always the ethereal "You must not be trying hard enough" line that makes you feel completely worthless as a human being.
 
2014-01-22 05:33:58 PM
It's hard to tell a human beings true character until you put him in a situation where he can do what he wants without consequence. That's when you find out what he really wants to do. Being rich, especially very rich, puts a person in a position where they can do close to whatever they please without too much consequence. I wonder how many of the "nice people" around us every day would be nice people if they could get away with acting any way they wanted.
 
2014-01-22 05:35:29 PM

bluenovaman: I'm not that well off, but the people I know who have a cash roll like Scrooge McDuck don't put up with shiat from anybody and have a low tolerance for BS.  I still think they are super cool folks.


CSB.
 
2014-01-22 05:41:11 PM
Being nice and letting people walk all over you doesn't get you anywhere. It's not that being rich makes you mean, it's that being nice makes you poor.
 
2014-01-22 05:45:37 PM
The difference between the liberal and conservative mindsets, in a nutshell:  liberals think the world should be a meritocracy, and conservatives think it IS one.    That simple idea explains a lot in the world.
 
2014-01-22 05:49:57 PM

Mr_Fabulous: It's not that being rich makes you mean.
It's not even that being mean makes you rich.

It's that being a self-centered douche with a "me first" attitude leads to both.


Actually, scientists have found that the more money a person has, the more focused s/he is on acquiring more, to the exclusion of social effects, resulting in becoming a douche.

Yeah, I know -- citation needed.
 
2014-01-22 05:52:07 PM
i.imgur.com

Read the headline in her voice.

/hot
//phrasing!
 
2014-01-22 06:02:34 PM

earnthis.net


This community means about as much to me as a festering ball of dog snot! You think I care about the pea-brained yokels of this town? If you took their combined I.Q., and multiplied it by a hundred, you might have enough intelligence to tie your shoe, if you didn't drool all over yourself first. I can't stand those sniveling maggots! They make me want to puke! But, there is one good thing about broadcasting to a town full of mindless sheep. I always know I have them exactly where I want them. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

/i said a ROLEX!
 
2014-01-22 06:06:20 PM
The ones who talk the most about people on entitlements are the ones who feel the most entitled.  They have to have some cognitive dissonance to keep from thinking about themselves as an asshole.
 
2014-01-22 06:07:58 PM
What the video proves is that poor people will become entitled jerks too if they're given money. The lesson is clear: never give a poor person money.
 
2014-01-22 07:16:28 PM

DigitalCoffee: festering ball bowl of dog snot!


FTFY... One of my favorite lines in ever.
 
2014-01-22 07:17:02 PM
People care about problems that affect them. They are more likely to help other people suffering from similar problems and less likely to help people suffering from problems that they can't relate to. See: every charity founded by someone who suffered from whatever the charity supports or a family member of said person.

Nobody whose child dies of leukemia starts a charity to help underprivileged kids in Africa get an education.

Likewise, people with money don't help poor people because they don't view lacking money as a relatable problem.

People are self-centered about everything including charity: News at 11.
 
2014-01-22 08:09:20 PM
No.  You're going the wrong way.

To get rich, you have to BRING IN more than you SPEND OUT.  We can debate the merits of the various ways of doing this, but that's it in a nutshell.

So assuming that you're even remotely at decent levels of BRING IN, then you can just limit SPEND OUT by among other things, not donating to charity, and paying the hired help like utter shiat.

And then over 30 to 60 years, compound interest becomes your biatch.

And of course, being at least mildly sociopathic REALLY helps you found that billion-dollar business.  "Oh Bob, I'm so sorry your wife is dead, but we really need to ship the update by next Friday so I trust you can work late now that you don't have anything to do at home."  (Also, see everything that Microsoft did on the business side.  Every single one of the tech magnates is a sociopath.)  Being rich doesn't make you an asshole, being an asshole makes you rich (until the sociopathic assholes who decided to focus on power instead of wealth raise taxes to above 1940's levels and steal it all away).

/IE: How a retired teacher owns 3 houses and enough cars that I'm not actually sure how many cars he owns (I think it's 8).
 
2014-01-22 08:50:02 PM
Money can't buy happiness? The reality is: the ultra rich are euphorically happy.

media.theweek.com
 
2014-01-22 09:18:47 PM
http://www.iliketoquote.com/img/1141.jpg
 
2014-01-22 09:34:32 PM

Lexx: The difference between the liberal and conservative mindsets, in a nutshell:  liberals think the world should be a meritocracy, and conservatives think it IS one.    That simple idea explains a lot in the world.


Yep. I've one friend who's doing very well for himself, but only because of one stroke of luck. He thinks it's all because of his hard work.

I also think the difference is that liberals care about everyone, and conservatives only care about themselves.
 
2014-01-22 09:42:47 PM

johnnyrocket: Money can't buy happiness? The reality is: the ultra rich are euphorically happy.

[media.theweek.com image 450x386]


Wait -- you're basing that statement on a graph that tops out income at $128,000?  You don't have to be Mitt Romney to know that amount doesn't mean "ultra rich," at least not in the U.S.  Where I live it's about what you need to own a moderately ok house and have a kid or two, using public schools and vacationing modestly.  I think there's research showing that an increase in income/wealth correlates with happiness only for people who haven't been getting basic needs met.  Once income/wealth meet a basic sustainable level of security and comfort, more money doesn't buy more happiness.  (Which makes me wonder why actual ultra rich people keep doggedly pursuing more money than a person can possibly need -- it seems to be a form of derangement.)
 
2014-01-22 10:21:35 PM
Does being wealthy make you mean? Short answer: No.

Long answer: No, it merely allows you to be mean with fewer consequences. Kind of the way internet anonymity allows people to be complete dicks and say shiat they wouldn't have the guts to otherwise.
 
2014-01-22 11:16:57 PM

Lexx: The difference between the liberal and conservative mindsets, in a nutshell:  liberals think the world should be a meritocracy, and conservatives think it IS one.    That simple idea explains a lot in the world.


Wisest thing I've read on Fark this year.

/nods sagely
 
2014-01-22 11:55:50 PM

Raoul Eaton: Which makes me wonder why actual ultra rich people keep doggedly pursuing more money than a person can possibly need -- it seems to be a form of derangement.


Most billionaires will tell you it's merely a way of keeping score. At that point, money is not REAL to them, any more than the stats from your favorite sportsball team are real to anybody other than a fan. When you don't have to even think about money because there is so much and it is making money for you, you tend to lose perspective...

i.ytimg.com

IMHO, the pursuit has a lot to do with their sense of self-worth. I'm a paycheck to paycheck sad sack (until I finish my degree and become a debt-ridden salary man) but I suspect I have more of a feeling of worth than someone who has literally had everything they need provided for them. Paradoxically, I think being born with a silver spoon would have made me work harder to prove myself before now because of that.


/Now I have a daughter, so I HAVE to be a financial success or die trying
;)
 
2014-01-23 12:35:29 AM

rustypouch: Lexx: The difference between the liberal and conservative mindsets, in a nutshell:  liberals think the world should be a meritocracy, and conservatives think it IS one.    That simple idea explains a lot in the world.

Yep. I've one friend who's doing very well for himself, but only because of one stroke of luck. He thinks it's all because of his hard work.

I also think the difference is that liberals care about everyone, and conservatives only care about themselves.


Many conservatives care about others but ignorantly believe trickle down works and that if we removed welfare we'd all find jobs.

I know many conservatives. They are morons.
 
2014-01-23 02:22:03 AM
Don't be silly, subby, nobody wishes ill upon the poors. Just as long as we keep them busy enough chasing a fantasy that they don't have time to share our conversation.
 
2014-01-23 04:10:08 AM

meyerkev: No.  You're going the wrong way.

To get rich, you have to BRING IN more than you SPEND OUT.  We can debate the merits of the various ways of doing this, but that's it in a nutshell.

So assuming that you're even remotely at decent levels of BRING IN, then you can just limit SPEND OUT by among other things, not donating to charity, and paying the hired help like utter shiat.

And then over 30 to 60 years, compound interest becomes your biatch.

And of course, being at least mildly sociopathic REALLY helps you found that billion-dollar business.  "Oh Bob, I'm so sorry your wife is dead, but we really need to ship the update by next Friday so I trust you can work late now that you don't have anything to do at home."  (Also, see everything that Microsoft did on the business side.  Every single one of the tech magnates is a sociopath.)   Being rich doesn't make you an asshole, being an asshole makes you rich (until the sociopathic assholes who decided to focus on power instead of wealth raise taxes to above 1940's levels and steal it all away).

/IE: How a retired teacher owns 3 houses and enough cars that I'm not actually sure how many cars he owns (I think it's 8).


So you're saying that Fark is full of rich people?

//Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
 
2014-01-23 06:06:51 AM

jjorsett: What the video proves is that poor people will become entitled jerks too if they're given money. The lesson is clear: never give a poor person money.


Actually, it doesn't even advance the proposition, let alone prove it. :D
 
2014-01-23 07:06:06 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: huh, maybe money is the root of all evil.

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


I've met plenty of poor mean people


The correct quote is `The love of money is the root of all evil` and you can be damn sure quite a few of those poor people who have no money would really love some.

Poor people like to misquote it because it excuses them from evil as a result of the love of money when they are just as bad. You don`t need much, you just have to love it.
 
2014-01-23 08:19:48 AM
I know plenty of rich people and I never met a rich person who thought or would admit they were rich. Granted I don't know any rappers.
 
2014-01-23 08:27:08 AM

Mugato: I know plenty of rich people and I never met a rich person who thought or would admit they were rich. Granted I don't know any rappers.


I've always found that perspective interesting.  I knew a guy, worth about $10 million on his own, was looking at inheriting another $50 million or so when his parents die, and he also didn't consider himself "rich."  Just how much money does a person need before they start thinking of themselves as "rich?"
 
2014-01-23 08:35:56 AM

Lexx: The difference between the liberal and conservative mindsets, in a nutshell:  liberals think the world should be a meritocracy, and conservatives think it IS one.    That simple idea explains a lot in the world.


bullshiat. liberals care no more for actual merit than conservatives. both abuse laws to wipe their asses with the actual merit of people, and everyone in the middle suffers for them on their crosses.

i have no more faith in libtards addressing "income disparity" than racism. in the end, it will be about equalizing outcome rather than opportunity.

both sides will use it to rally their moronic bases.
 
2014-01-23 09:18:54 AM
Oh look, another thread about income inequality where morons politicize the issue in an effort to prop up their favorite club. Congratulations, you belong to either the KKK or NAMBLA as far as I'm concerned if you can't get beyond your "at least we're not them" mental roadblock and assess the underlying issues.
 
2014-01-23 09:31:34 AM

Feepit: Oh look, another thread about income inequality where morons politicize the issue in an effort to prop up their favorite club. Congratulations, you belong to either the KKK or NAMBLA as far as I'm concerned if you can't get beyond your "at least we're not them" mental roadblock and assess the underlying issues.


Oh look, another post where a moron thinks saying "both sides are bad" is insightful and makes them better than everyone else.

Income disparity is a political issue because the current disparity is the direct result of the economic policies of one of the two major parties in this country.  The fact that you think it isn't a political issue leads me to believe that you lack the knowledge to contribute to this conversation in any meaningful way.
 
2014-01-23 10:28:20 AM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Oh look, another post where a moron thinks saying "both sides are bad" is insightful and makes them better than everyone else.

Income disparity is a political issue because the current disparity is the direct result of the economic policies of one of the two major parties in this country.  The fact that you think it isn't a political issue leads me to believe that you lack the knowledge to contribute to this conversation in any meaningful way.


I didn't say both sides are bad. I said we have to look at the underlying issue.

I suppose I shouldn't expect reading comprehension from a imbecile who thinks the way to meaningfully contribute to the "solution" is to blame the  other party.
 
2014-01-23 11:02:22 AM

Feepit: Oh look, another thread about income inequality where morons politicize the issue in an effort to prop up their favorite club. Congratulations, you belong to either the KKK or NAMBLA as far as I'm concerned if you can't get beyond your "at least we're not them" mental roadblock and assess the underlying issues.


You're aware that you're doing the same thing you're criticizing other people for doing, right?  You're trying to pretend to be better than others because other people pretend to be better than others.  Or:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-01-23 11:18:58 AM

Feepit: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Oh look, another post where a moron thinks saying "both sides are bad" is insightful and makes them better than everyone else.

Income disparity is a political issue because the current disparity is the direct result of the economic policies of one of the two major parties in this country.  The fact that you think it isn't a political issue leads me to believe that you lack the knowledge to contribute to this conversation in any meaningful way.

I didn't say both sides are bad. I said we have to look at the underlying issue.

I suppose I shouldn't expect reading comprehension from a imbecile who thinks the way to meaningfully contribute to the "solution" is to blame the  other party.


Yes, and the underlying issue is supply-side economics, deregulation of the financial sector, and touting wealth as the only truly important measure of success.  Gee, I wonder which major political party has been pushing those planks for decades now?  Could it possibly be that this political issue is directly related to the politics of the party that's been controlling the government's purse strings, a.k.a. The House, for 25 of the last 29 years?  Nah!  That couldn't possibly be it...there has to been some magical underlying issue under the underlying issue!
 
2014-01-23 11:39:57 AM

llortcM_yllort: You're aware that you're doing the same thing you're criticizing other people for doing, right?  You're trying to pretend to be better than others because other people pretend to be better than others.  Or:


Oh my gosh, you're right! Pointing out flaws automatically makes the flaw-pointer-outer equally flawed. It is all so clear now. Except it is completely wrong. Saying, "hey, let's focus on the problem rather than our irrelevant differences" isn't me jumping on a pedestal and flaunting how wonderful I am.

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Yes, and the underlying issue is supply-side economics, deregulation of the financial sector, and touting wealth as the only truly important measure of success.  Gee, I wonder which major political party has been pushing those planks for decades now?  Could it possibly be that this political issue is directly related to the politics of the party that's been controlling the government's purse strings, a.k.a. The House, for 25 of the last 29 years?  Nah!  That couldn't possibly be it...there has to been some magical underlying issue under the underlying issue!


There isn't just one issue, mind you. In my opinion, one of the larger issues is the lack of better education -- not just of vocational skills and guiding people toward a career they have aptitude and enjoyment in, but also teaching empathy (as the video suggests) and government activism. If the bulk of "main street" actually took a loose interest in what was happening in our legislature, instead of complaining about oppression, the problems you raise would become less significant . If people voted for candidates who support what they believe rather than along party lines, the problems you raise would become less significant. But hey, who has time to waste on researching candidates and calling up their representative to inform them that the bill currently being presented is bad? Our government should just do what we want without us having to do anything.
 
2014-01-23 12:31:00 PM

Feepit: Oh my gosh, you're right! Pointing out flaws automatically makes the flaw-pointer-outer equally flawed. It is all so clear now. Except it is completely wrong. Saying, "hey, let's focus on the problem rather than our irrelevant differences" isn't me jumping on a pedestal and flaunting how wonderful I am.


Except you then proceeded to point out how terrible everyone else was for focusing on differences, while highlighting this difference between yourself and the people you were criticizing.  Sounds hypocritical to me.

Basically, you're not wrong you're just an asshole.
 
2014-01-23 01:24:38 PM

llortcM_yllort: Sounds hypocritical to me.


That is because you won't discriminate between differences that are meaningless and differences that are meaningful. Argument from oversimplification and exaggeration.

If you still aren't sure, blaming those people you don't like for your problems is a waste of time. Analyzing the problems and identifying their underlying causes is not a waste of time.

Furthermore, the way this Geek tab thread was turning into a masturbatory echo chamber of but-but-but-Boehner was icky.

llortcM_yllort: Basically, you're not wrong you're just an asshole.


Well, you're a poo-poo head!
 
2014-01-23 02:02:40 PM
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Go fark a unicorn!
 
2014-01-23 02:20:32 PM

Feepit: Furthermore, the way this Geek tab thread was turning into a masturbatory echo chamber of but-but-but-Boehner was icky.


Pro Tip: A bunch of people disagreeing with you on the same point is not automatically an "echo chamber."  It's far more likely that you're just really wrong.
 
2014-01-23 02:34:25 PM

Flaumig: Pro Tip: A bunch of people disagreeing with you on the same point is not automatically an "echo chamber."  It's far more likely that you're just really wrong.


The only point I have disagreed on is whether blaming one's anti-friends is 1) relevant to the TED talk and 2.) a vector towards a solution for the problem of income inequality.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to how I am wrong instead of spewing petulant one-liners.
 
2014-01-23 03:00:14 PM

Feepit: Flaumig: Pro Tip: A bunch of people disagreeing with you on the same point is not automatically an "echo chamber."  It's far more likely that you're just really wrong.

The only point I have disagreed on is whether blaming one's anti-friends is 1) relevant to the TED talk and 2.) a vector towards a solution for the problem of income inequality.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to how I am wrong instead of spewing petulant one-liners.


Determining who is causing the problem is usually pretty relevant to fixing the problem, especially in politics.  Thus, "blaming one's anti-friends", if they're the ones causing the problem (Spoiler: they are) is the first step.  But hey, you can keep pretending that the current state of income inequality has nothing to do with Boehner and his ilk and get just as little done to correct the problem as the "both sides are bad" people.
 
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