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(Slate)   There ain't no controversy, we're just a-gonna teach it. Because, Texas   (slate.com) divider line 501
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2014-01-22 04:36:40 PM  
Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.
 
2014-01-22 04:44:59 PM  

Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.


So you're good with teaching kids this young earth stuff in a science class?
 
2014-01-22 04:48:14 PM  

sno man: So you're good with teaching kids this young earth stuff in a science class?


One that receives public funds?
 
2014-01-22 04:53:03 PM  

sno man: Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.

So you're good with teaching kids this young earth stuff in a science class?


Did I say that? No.

It's not terribly reassuring when the piece about anti-intellectualism (or more properly, anti-scientism), has glaring factual errors in the first paragraph.
 
2014-01-22 04:54:09 PM  

Fubini: It's not terribly reassuring when the piece about anti-intellectualism (or more properly, anti-scientism), has glaring factual errors in the first paragraph.


Lest it seem like I'm being too harsh, I should point out that the federal courts system is high school level civics.
 
2014-01-22 04:57:15 PM  
American Excepsionalism!!!
 
2014-01-22 05:07:36 PM  
Tardexes.
 
2014-01-22 05:09:11 PM  

Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.


Did you read the rest of the article where he explains how what they're doing is unconstitutional or just stop after the first paragraph?
 
2014-01-22 05:12:49 PM  

timujin: Did you read the rest of the article where he explains how what they're doing is unconstitutional or just stop after the first paragraph?


Well, taken together that it's Slate, and the utter failure in the first paragraph, this piece seemed like a good one to skip.

Why? How much did you read?
 
2014-01-22 05:23:24 PM  

Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.


So he linked to Kitzmiller instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_v._Aguillard

It is unconstitutional to teach creationism with public money.  Plain and simple.  I welcome these cases though, because each one when they inevitably lose, reinforces the wall of separation of church and state.

//And here I said earlier I was taking a break from this subject.
 
2014-01-22 05:23:24 PM  
When a blog/post/article just sounds like the polar opposite of a tea tard exaggerated panic, I'm less inclined to continue reading.
 
2014-01-22 05:29:30 PM  

Fubini: Fubini: It's not terribly reassuring when the piece about anti-intellectualism (or more properly, anti-scientism), has glaring factual errors in the first paragraph.

Lest it seem like I'm being too harsh, I should point out that the federal courts system is high school level civics.


I don't know about you, but I've forgotten a lot of stuff I "learned" in high school. (I honestly don't think civics was part of it, but I went to a Catholic high school, not a public high school. Maybe they used a different curriculum?)

Anyway, I remember the part about evolution and the scientific method. Most kids won't go into jobs requiring them to know much, if anything, about the organization of the judicial branch. But if Texas isn't teaching science properly, a whole lot of kids are going to be limited to derp.
 
2014-01-22 05:29:33 PM  
teaching creationism to children as science is tantamount to child abuse.
 
2014-01-22 05:37:01 PM  

Fubini: timujin: Did you read the rest of the article where he explains how what they're doing is unconstitutional or just stop after the first paragraph?

Well, taken together that it's Slate, and the utter failure in the first paragraph, this piece seemed like a good one to skip.

Why? How much did you read?


Through this:
Creationists have been trying for years to teach their particular flavor of religious fundamentalism in public schools. And time and again, it's been ruled not just illegal, but unconstitutional. Whether it's straight up creationism, or its poorly disguised cousin intelligent design, judges have shown that teaching it with public taxpayer funds violated the First Amendment. In the famous Dover case, this ruling was brought by a conservative judge, so it's hardly a liberal conspiracy, either.
 
2014-01-22 05:38:44 PM  

Fubini: sno man: Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.

So you're good with teaching kids this young earth stuff in a science class?

Did I say that? No.

It's not terribly reassuring when the piece about anti-intellectualism (or more properly, anti-scientism), has glaring factual errors in the first paragraph.


No you didn't, I was just a little floored by your post v. what I read.  I read it again, there is nothing that he says that is wrong... I guess you're on about one of the links?
 
2014-01-22 05:42:23 PM  
Over the years, the theory of evolution has been through an evolutionary struggle of its own. The original theories have been explored, modified, rejected, confirmed, or replaced with new ideas.

F*cking science, how does it work?
 
2014-01-22 05:42:47 PM  

Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.


What exactly is your complaint? That the decisions of a 3rd circuit Federal District Court (PA) might not be efficacious or have jurisdiction in other Federal districts, like the 5th circuit (TX) ?
 
2014-01-22 05:55:23 PM  
Texas: Catching America up
to the rest of the third world!
 
2014-01-22 05:56:29 PM  
Determined dunderheads dispense double-down derp.
 
2014-01-22 05:56:46 PM  
Time to send in the National Guard, like they had to do in the south in the 60s.
 
2014-01-22 05:59:37 PM  
Yeah, we're boned
 
2014-01-22 06:00:22 PM  
ugh, Texas can't get Davis'd fast enough.
 
2014-01-22 06:02:15 PM  

elchip: Time to send in the National Guard, like they had to do in the south in the 60s.


Hell, let's go back to the 50s and send in the 101st
 
2014-01-22 06:02:15 PM  

YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE.


As someone who has been heavily involved with a TX charter school for the last 10 years (school board member, substitute teacher, bus driver, general volunteer), I would like to proudly state that that kind of crap would never fly there. The students and teachers both would give a hearty laugh and roundly reject it. It offers yoga and tai chi as PE classes. So please, don't let this color your opinion of our charter schools. It's just that the religious nutters found another way to worm their way into the government system and so far there's no way to burn them out.
 
2014-01-22 06:03:22 PM  

Spaced Lion: YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE.
As someone who has been heavily involved with a TX charter school for the last 10 years (school board member, substitute teacher, bus driver, general volunteer), I would like to proudly state that that kind of crap would never fly there. The students and teachers both would give a hearty laugh and roundly reject it. It offers yoga and tai chi as PE classes. So please, don't let this color your opinion of our charter schools. It's just that the religious nutters found another way to worm their way into the government system and so far there's no way to burn them out.


You ran out of guns in TEXAS?!?!?!?!
 
2014-01-22 06:05:52 PM  

Somacandra: Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.

What exactly is your complaint? That the decisions of a 3rd circuit Federal District Court (PA) might not be efficacious or have jurisdiction in other Federal districts, like the 5th circuit (TX) ?


He comes to us only out of concern.

Also a desire to seem smart and "above it all" while unintentionally(?) supporting creationist nonsense, since that's how these equivocating assholes work in the first place.
 
2014-01-22 06:06:33 PM  

phalamir: Spaced Lion: YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE.
As someone who has been heavily involved with a TX charter school for the last 10 years (school board member, substitute teacher, bus driver, general volunteer), I would like to proudly state that that kind of crap would never fly there. The students and teachers both would give a hearty laugh and roundly reject it. It offers yoga and tai chi as PE classes. So please, don't let this color your opinion of our charter schools. It's just that the religious nutters found another way to worm their way into the government system and so far there's no way to burn them out.

You ran out of guns in TEXAS?!?!?!?!


Flame throwers are banned by the Geneva Convention.
 
2014-01-22 06:07:09 PM  
Still the basic theory of evolution has survived in the discussion. In fact, evolution-which is, after all, an unproved theory...

Sigh... You know how much easier tis would be if they had just called the word 'theory', or the word 'Theory' something different. The two words are related, but not the same at all, if they had just called one of the two something else, dumb shiat like what's above wouldn't be an issue.

Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.


Care to elaborate on that claim?
 
2014-01-22 06:08:39 PM  
morons.  Some of those kids are going to eventually learn they were lied to and they will hunt down the people who did this and punch him in the face.
 
2014-01-22 06:09:08 PM  

Fubini: anti-scientism


i.imgur.com

/derp
 
2014-01-22 06:10:45 PM  

Spaced Lion: YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE.
As someone who has been heavily involved with a TX charter school for the last 10 years (school board member, substitute teacher, bus driver, general volunteer), I would like to proudly state that that kind of crap would never fly there. The students and teachers both would give a hearty laugh and roundly reject it. It offers yoga and tai chi as PE classes. So please, don't let this color your opinion of our charter schools. It's just that the religious nutters found another way to worm their way into the government system and so far there's no way to burn them out.


But the problem is that just because your not doing it doesn't mean that others are not either.
 
2014-01-22 06:11:39 PM  

Fubini: Your blog sucks. Author of TFA seems to lack basic understanding of things like the federal district court system, yet goes around spouting off about things being unconstitutional.


It's Phil effing Plait! But you probably don't even know who he is... *sad face*
 
2014-01-22 06:12:22 PM  

meat0918: phalamir: Spaced Lion: YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE.
As someone who has been heavily involved with a TX charter school for the last 10 years (school board member, substitute teacher, bus driver, general volunteer), I would like to proudly state that that kind of crap would never fly there. The students and teachers both would give a hearty laugh and roundly reject it. It offers yoga and tai chi as PE classes. So please, don't let this color your opinion of our charter schools. It's just that the religious nutters found another way to worm their way into the government system and so far there's no way to burn them out.

You ran out of guns in TEXAS?!?!?!?!

Flame throwers are banned by the Geneva Convention.


And something being illegal has stopped a Texan from trying to kill someone with it when?
 
2014-01-22 06:12:23 PM  
You know what bothers me the MOST about this "evolution is just a theory" garbage? The fact that this creationists will state that a tested verifiable scientific idea is just a "guess", but belief in a mystical deity that can create things with a snap of his fingers is not only somehow a "proven" fact, but that it is more "logical" in some way.
 
2014-01-22 06:12:43 PM  

Mikey1969: Still the basic theory of evolution has survived in the discussion. In fact, evolution-which is, after all, an unproved theory...

Sigh... You know how much easier tis would be if they had just called the word 'theory', or the word 'Theory' something different. The two words are related, but not the same at all, if they had just called one of the two something else, dumb shiat like what's above wouldn't be an issue.


It would still be an issue, they'd just shiat on it from a different angle.
 
2014-01-22 06:12:44 PM  

img.wonkette.com



/Oblig
//"Were you there?!"
 
2014-01-22 06:12:46 PM  

phalamir: You ran out of guns in TEXAS?!?!?!?!


Correction - no legal way to burn them out.


meat0918: Flame throwers are banned by the Geneva Convention.


But not pear-burners, which most anyone around here could easily modify into a flamethrower. A propane-powered one, too, I tell ya hwut.
 
2014-01-22 06:12:51 PM  

Fubini: timujin: Did you read the rest of the article where he explains how what they're doing is unconstitutional or just stop after the first paragraph?

Well, taken together that it's Slate, and the utter failure in the first paragraph, this piece seemed like a good one to skip.

Why? How much did you read?


Ah, you're one of those people.
 
2014-01-22 06:14:32 PM  

Fubini: timujin: Did you read the rest of the article where he explains how what they're doing is unconstitutional or just stop after the first paragraph?

Well, taken together that it's Slate, and the utter failure in the first paragraph, this piece seemed like a good one to skip.

Why? How much did you read?


He probably stopped after the headline, it's the only thing that would explain this take on the whole thing.
 
2014-01-22 06:15:58 PM  
Where's one of those "crazy lone-wolf" school shooters when you need one?
 
2014-01-22 06:16:34 PM  

winterbraid: Mikey1969: Still the basic theory of evolution has survived in the discussion. In fact, evolution-which is, after all, an unproved theory...

Sigh... You know how much easier tis would be if they had just called the word 'theory', or the word 'Theory' something different. The two words are related, but not the same at all, if they had just called one of the two something else, dumb shiat like what's above wouldn't be an issue.

It would still be an issue, they'd just shiat on it from a different angle.


But they wouldn't have this easy low hanging fruit. Whatever they used probably wouldn't sound as convincing to the rubes, so they wouldn't have the foothold they do. Right now, they just have to say "it's only a theory" and stop at that. I think if the theory/Theory thing was't around, they would have FAR less success...
 
2014-01-22 06:21:31 PM  

winterbraid: Where's one of those "crazy lone-wolf" school shooters when you need one?


That's not cool.

/I know, welcometofark.jpg
 
2014-01-22 06:21:48 PM  
Stupid libtards and their "theory" of gravity. Much more plausible that we're held down by masses of invisible noodly appendages.
 
2014-01-22 06:22:06 PM  
Why is it SOOOO important for creationism to be taught to the captive audience of public school children?  Is this all just to teach a generation to distrust all science so when the shiat hits the fan on global climate change, a nation of superstitious fools will blame homosexuals and welfare cheats for incurring g*d's wraith rather than the mega-corporations that have profited from destroying the environment?
 
2014-01-22 06:22:53 PM  
meh.

ultimately, just another course that Texas schoolchildren will fail, the first 3 times, then get a D.
 
2014-01-22 06:23:51 PM  

Spaced Lion: So please, don't let this color your opinion of our charter schools. It's just that the religious nutters found another way to worm their way into the government system and so far there's no way to burn them out.


Funny how this sort of thing seems to happen when you sell off public assets like schools and make them harder to oversee by the public.

Huh. Oh well, I'm sure it's an anomaly. Let's keep privatizing shiat. YEE HAWWW
 
2014-01-22 06:26:19 PM  

Kibbler: Yeah, we're boned


Oh, cruel fate, to be so thusly boned! Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
 
2014-01-22 06:27:09 PM  

theknuckler_33: winterbraid: Where's one of those "crazy lone-wolf" school shooters when you need one?

That's not cool.

/I know, welcometofark.jpg


Yeah, I felt the same way. It's these kids' fault that the charter school decides to teach this crap?
 
2014-01-22 06:27:55 PM  
What's with all of the Texas stories today?

It's like we're the new Florida around here.
 
2014-01-22 06:29:12 PM  

Mikey1969:

Still the basic theory of evolution has survived in the discussion. In fact, evolution-which is, after all, an unproved theory...
Sigh... You know how much easier tis would be if they had just called the word 'theory', or the word 'Theory' something different. The two words are related, but not the same at all, if they had just called one of the two something else, dumb shiat like what's above wouldn't be an issue.


About the derpers' use of the word "theory" ― well, this guy says it best.

If "theory" meant what they thought it means, then music must not be proven to actually exist!
az58332.vo.msecnd.netwww.pedaltonepublishing.comwww.hatfieldmusic.comstore.drumbum.comi43.tower.comedwintchilds.comia600804.us.archive.orgthechurchpianist.com
 
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