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2014-01-22 06:00:35 PM
Subby, you saucy bistard!
I like it.
 
2014-01-22 06:00:47 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.


Here we go!

idiotsbooks.com
 
2014-01-22 06:01:04 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.


Either it's a living human being or it isn't.  Where it's physically located shouldn't be the issue.
 
2014-01-22 06:01:10 PM

letrole: Abortion is Murder.


I thought abortion is a learned behaviour. But considering the outcome, the student never gets to practice what they've learned, I guess.
 
2014-01-22 06:01:17 PM

letrole: Abortion is Murder.


It's easier to think about if you understand alot of those aborted babies would have grown up to be murderers. So, it's kind of a wash
 
2014-01-22 06:04:16 PM
I don't get the headline.:(
 
2014-01-22 06:04:18 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

I thought abortion is a learned behaviour. But considering the outcome, the student never gets to practice what they've learned, I guess.


uber humper: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

It's easier to think about if you understand alot of those aborted babies would have grown up to be murderers. So, it's kind of a wash



Almost a silmulpost
 
2014-01-22 06:04:21 PM
I've had 9 abortions already. Just need to get one more to complete my rewards card and the 11th is free!
 
2014-01-22 06:04:33 PM
i1139.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-22 06:05:57 PM

genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.


It's not. Murder is defined as an unlawful killing; if it is done within the bounds of the law, it isn't murder.
 
2014-01-22 06:06:18 PM
 
2014-01-22 06:06:19 PM

Callous: TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's a living human being or it isn't.  Where it's physically located shouldn't be the issue.


You better get busy. Climbing into every vajayjay in this country is gonna take a lot of your time. Or are you one of those who supports shaming pregnant women by forcing doctors to rape their patients with wands in order to dissuade them from having an abortion?

I mean, if your against something you should take responsibility and not pawn it off on some poor schlep md who's six figures in debt from med school and just wants to make his/her mortgage payment, not poke things inside patients against their will.
 
2014-01-22 06:06:47 PM
The very fact that we celebrate our birthdays and not our conception days shows how unnatural and out of sync with day-to-day reality the anti-abortion crowd's opinion is.
 
2014-01-22 06:06:53 PM

genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.


It's not.
 
2014-01-22 06:07:21 PM

uber humper: TheShavingofOccam123: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

I thought abortion is a learned behaviour. But considering the outcome, the student never gets to practice what they've learned, I guess.

uber humper: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

It's easier to think about if you understand alot of those aborted babies would have grown up to be murderers. So, it's kind of a wash


Almost a silmulpost


Close enough.
 
2014-01-22 06:07:40 PM

Callous: TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's a living human being or it isn't.  Where it's physically located shouldn't be the issue.


I take it you also believe that using a beating-heart donor after brain death, and what happened to Terri Schiavo are examples of murder, right?
 
2014-01-22 06:08:56 PM

theknuckler_33: I don't get the headline.:(


don't worry. the headline is an abortion.

/birthdays...abortions...military...intelligence...
 
2014-01-22 06:10:55 PM

Callous: TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's a living human being or it isn't.  Where it's physically located shouldn't be the issue.


You wouldn't say that if it was me living inside your body.
I got nasty habits.
 
2014-01-22 06:11:21 PM

ikanreed: The very fact that we celebrate our birthdays and not our conception days shows how unnatural and out of sync with day-to-day reality the anti-abortion crowd's opinion is.


According to some in that camp, we shouldn't be celebrating birthdays either.
 
2014-01-22 06:11:42 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: theknuckler_33: I don't get the headline.:(

don't worry. the headline is an abortion.

/birthdays...abortions...military...intelligence...


ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

/hangs head in shame
 
2014-01-22 06:11:50 PM

The Bestest: Meanwhile in Atlanta..


QFTL about anti-abortion protests in Atlanta:

Meanwhile, pro-choice supporter Democratic state Senator Nan Orrock says legislative efforts to chip away at Roe v. Wade are unfortunate.
"The Republicans here in Georgia and around the country continue to wage a war on women. They are focused on taking rights away from women, blocking women's access to healthcare and standing between a woman and her doctor and trying to dictate what should happen. It's dead wrong."


You're not helping, Senator Orrock.
 
2014-01-22 06:12:33 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Callous: TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's a living human being or it isn't.  Where it's physically located shouldn't be the issue.

You better get busy. Climbing into every vajayjay in this country is gonna take a lot of your time. Or are you one of those who supports shaming pregnant women by forcing doctors to rape their patients with wands in order to dissuade them from having an abortion?

I mean, if your against something you should take responsibility and not pawn it off on some poor schlep md who's six figures in debt from med school and just wants to make his/her mortgage payment, not poke things inside patients against their will.


Nice strawman.

ikanreed: The very fact that we celebrate our birthdays and not our conception days shows how unnatural and out of sync with day-to-day reality the anti-abortion crowd's opinion is.


You're aware that conception is not documented and often times not known right?  Or are you just talking out your arse?
 
2014-01-22 06:13:23 PM
Whenever I hear Roe VS Wade, I remember the time when I believed it was about whether you should row your boat or wade in the water.
 
2014-01-22 06:13:41 PM

InterruptingQuirk: ikanreed: The very fact that we celebrate our birthdays and not our conception days shows how unnatural and out of sync with day-to-day reality the anti-abortion crowd's opinion is.

According to some in that camp, we shouldn't be celebrating birthdays either.


Strange how quick you can tell the nature of a site from its font and layout choices. It takes a whole paragraph of reading before you can draw an identical conclusion from the text.
 
2014-01-22 06:13:44 PM
I'm laughing way to hard at this thread.
 
2014-01-22 06:16:21 PM

Endive Wombat: I read something a while back discussing how the democratic party/liberals have effectively eliminated 35-50+ million people from their voting base because of abortion.  The argument that was being made/based on is the idea that liberals have a tendency to have abortions more than conservatives...so aborting their kids = elimination of their voter base.

Not sure how accurate this speculation is, but interesting to think about nonetheless.


Or it's taking a large cut out of the demographic that is itself uninvolved and doesn't vote.
 
2014-01-22 06:17:04 PM

Callous: You're aware that conception is not documented and often times not known right? Or are you just talking out your arse?


Hmm, and yet... you think there's a person in there? Nobody knows it, but there's there's a human being!
 
2014-01-22 06:17:25 PM

FlashHarry: here's to 4+ decades of empowering progressive women and enraging conservative men.


I'm strictly "pro-choice". But I also despise this inability of people to correctly frame their opponent's arguments and their persistence in misrepresenting their "enemies" motives for their own sides gain.

The conservative dislike of abortion has absolutely nothing to do with women. They believe that abortion is killing a human being. They believe it is morally wrong to kill another human being, at least, one that hasn't themselves killed someone. And that's it. That's the sum and the total of their argument. All this "war against women" garbage might make for good fundraising and mobilization and help to get people riled up, but it also makes YOU every bit as sleazy as any other sleazy manipulative liar engaged in the fight. It's every bit as underhanded and disingenuous to say "liberals want to murder babies" as it is to say "conservatives want to control women". That simply isn't either sides motivation.

Here, in case this needs explicit spelling out: One side believes abortion is killing a human being. The other side believes prohibiting abortion unjustly limits the ability of women to control their own bodies. That's it. That's the entirety of the "debate". We would be a lot farther along in a lot more issues if people would stop making up the other side's motivations to capitalize on divisiveness.
 
2014-01-22 06:17:29 PM

Mad_Radhu: Endive Wombat: I read something a while back discussing how the democratic party/liberals have effectively eliminated 35-50+ million people from their voting base because of abortion.  The argument that was being made/based on is the idea that liberals have a tendency to have abortions more than conservatives...so aborting their kids = elimination of their voter base.

Not sure how accurate this speculation is, but interesting to think about nonetheless.

Liberals tend to be better at teaching their kids how sex works and how to use birth control, which reduces their need for abortions compared to the crowd that believes abstinence only education works.


And their massive hypocrisy while preaching it
assets-s3.usmagazine.com
 
2014-01-22 06:18:12 PM

ikanreed: Callous: You're aware that conception is not documented and often times not known right? Or are you just talking out your arse?

Hmm, and yet... you think there's a person in there? Nobody knows it, but there's there's a human being!



Schrodinger's baby!
 
2014-01-22 06:19:38 PM

BullBearMS: No.

No one cares. Go troll politics. Stop threadjacking.

Callous: Nice strawman.


I'm still waiting for your answer on whether you believe Terri Schiavo was murdered.
 
Al!
2014-01-22 06:19:54 PM
As a man who recently conceived a child intentionally with a woman who wanted to have my baby, who then dumped me and aborted my child: Fark you RvW, and Fark everyone who says a man should have no say in the matter.
 
2014-01-22 06:20:17 PM
Oh, a rational discussion thread!
/these aren't fun...
// religion vs science
 
2014-01-22 06:20:31 PM

IM4Liberty: 55 million people lost to a socialist, eugenics experiment (killed by their mothers in many cases, no less). Social Security and other Federal entitlement programs are going backrupt because, in part, these folks aren't available to contribute to these political slush funds. Coincidence? I think it's possible

a fact .

This might be an anniversary of horror; it's certainly not a birthday to celebrate.

Yep ,so now instead we will have to import Mexicans to prop up social security .
 
2014-01-22 06:20:48 PM

hardinparamedic: Callous: TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's a living human being or it isn't.  Where it's physically located shouldn't be the issue.

I take it you also believe that using a beating-heart donor after brain death, and what happened to Terri Schiavo are examples of murder, right?


Schiavo, I don't know enough about brain death to have an opinion, that whole case was a cluster-fark that I didn't follow closely.  If the patient is clinically dead and their body is being kept functioning by machines I don't see the problem with with organ donation.  If their heart is beating on it's own how can they be brain dead?  The brain controls the heart.  Can someone have functioning organs and be brain dead?
 
2014-01-22 06:20:51 PM

ikanreed: InterruptingQuirk: ikanreed: The very fact that we celebrate our birthdays and not our conception days shows how unnatural and out of sync with day-to-day reality the anti-abortion crowd's opinion is.

According to some in that camp, we shouldn't be celebrating birthdays either.

Strange how quick you can tell the nature of a site from its font and layout choices. It takes a whole paragraph of reading before you can draw an identical conclusion from the text.


I'm sorry I couldn't find a picture book version for you

/i keed
 
2014-01-22 06:21:55 PM
Roe v. Wade is the final act that set the Evangelicals over the edge.

Before then, they mostly abstained from politics. After, all bets were off. They mobilized into a powerful conservative voting bloc and we've been dealing with the repercussions ever since.
 
2014-01-22 06:22:20 PM

Callous: TheShavingofOccam123: Callous: TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's a living human being or it isn't.  Where it's physically located shouldn't be the issue.

You better get busy. Climbing into every vajayjay in this country is gonna take a lot of your time. Or are you one of those who supports shaming pregnant women by forcing doctors to rape their patients with wands in order to dissuade them from having an abortion?

I mean, if your against something you should take responsibility and not pawn it off on some poor schlep md who's six figures in debt from med school and just wants to make his/her mortgage payment, not poke things inside patients against their will.

Nice strawman.

ikanreed: The very fact that we celebrate our birthdays and not our conception days shows how unnatural and out of sync with day-to-day reality the anti-abortion crowd's opinion is.

You're aware that conception is not documented and often times not known right?  Or are you just talking out your arse?


Strawman?

There are two citizens--a pregnant woman and a physician. They're have the right to enter into a contract for services. Apparently, there's a third citizen. And this unborn citizen has more rights than the two citizens in the room. It's rights are so powerful it can not only restrict the medical professional from practicing his profession but it can force a woman to give birth against her will.

I'm pretty sure the idea of a ball of flesh having more than equal rights with two citizens is about a 500 foot tall false equivalency. But I went to Arizona State, so what do I know?

/I didn't say I graduated...
 
2014-01-22 06:22:24 PM

Callous: hardinparamedic: Callous: TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's a living human being or it isn't.  Where it's physically located shouldn't be the issue.

I take it you also believe that using a beating-heart donor after brain death, and what happened to Terri Schiavo are examples of murder, right?

Schiavo, I don't know enough about brain death to have an opinion, that whole case was a cluster-fark that I didn't follow closely.  If the patient is clinically dead and their body is being kept functioning by machines I don't see the problem with with organ donation.  If their heart is beating on it's own how can they be brain dead?  The brain controls the heart.  Can someone have functioning organs and be brain dead?


Brain stem =/= brain basically.
 
2014-01-22 06:22:51 PM

That Guy Jeff: FlashHarry: here's to 4+ decades of empowering progressive women and enraging conservative men.

I'm strictly "pro-choice". But I also despise this inability of people to correctly frame their opponent's arguments and their persistence in misrepresenting their "enemies" motives for their own sides gain.

The conservative dislike of abortion has absolutely nothing to do with women. They believe that abortion is killing a human being. They believe it is morally wrong to kill another human being, at least, one that hasn't themselves killed someone. And that's it. That's the sum and the total of their argument. All this "war against women" garbage might make for good fundraising and mobilization and help to get people riled up, but it also makes YOU every bit as sleazy as any other sleazy manipulative liar engaged in the fight. It's every bit as underhanded and disingenuous to say "liberals want to murder babies" as it is to say "conservatives want to control women". That simply isn't either sides motivation.

Here, in case this needs explicit spelling out: One side believes abortion is killing a human being. The other side believes prohibiting abortion unjustly limits the ability of women to control their own bodies. That's it. That's the entirety of the "debate". We would be a lot farther along in a lot more issues if people would stop making up the other side's motivations to capitalize on divisiveness.


Why even care what people's motivations are? I don't care. You want to claim posession my body because you think killing a fetus is murder? I decline to discuss it with you. Your motivations are irrelevant, and I will treat you the same as I would a rapist in an alley who attempts to take posession of my body.*
I agree with you - the "motivation" talk is bullshiat.

* Assuming, for the sake of argument, that I am a woman.
 
2014-01-22 06:23:01 PM

uber humper: letrole: Abortion is Murder.

It's easier to think about if you understand alot of those aborted babies would have grown up to be murderers. So, it's kind of a wash


They could have become middle managers, so I think we're slightly ahead.
 
2014-01-22 06:23:45 PM

Callous: If their heart is beating on it's own how can they be brain dead?  The brain controls the heart.  Can someone have functioning organs and be brain dead?


The heart does not require the brain to function - in fact, it can function completely independently of a brain for a good deal of time, relying on the autonomic nervous system and spinal reflexes to regulate it's rate, or even just hormones in the body - such as ach and epinepherine.

The fact someone's heart is beating doesn't mean they are "alive" as we as a society define human life. It just means the sack of meat supporting a brain is still functioning.
 
2014-01-22 06:23:47 PM

That Guy Jeff: FlashHarry: here's to 4+ decades of empowering progressive women and enraging conservative men.

I'm strictly "pro-choice". But I also despise this inability of people to correctly frame their opponent's arguments and their persistence in misrepresenting their "enemies" motives for their own sides gain.

The conservative dislike of abortion has absolutely nothing to do with women. They believe that abortion is killing a human being. They believe it is morally wrong to kill another human being, at least, one that hasn't themselves killed someone. And that's it. That's the sum and the total of their argument. All this "war against women" garbage might make for good fundraising and mobilization and help to get people riled up, but it also makes YOU every bit as sleazy as any other sleazy manipulative liar engaged in the fight. It's every bit as underhanded and disingenuous to say "liberals want to murder babies" as it is to say "conservatives want to control women". That simply isn't either sides motivation.

Here, in case this needs explicit spelling out: One side believes abortion is killing a human being. The other side believes prohibiting abortion unjustly limits the ability of women to control their own bodies. That's it. That's the entirety of the "debate". We would be a lot farther along in a lot more issues if people would stop making up the other side's motivations to capitalize on divisiveness.


Let me ask you a question then.

If abortion is only about killing a human being and not about controlling women's bodies, why do they oppose increased access to contraceptives, which is the easiest and cheapest way to prevent abortions?
 
2014-01-22 06:24:23 PM

Endive Wombat: I read something a while back discussing how the democratic party/liberals have effectively eliminated 35-50+ million people from their voting base because of abortion.  The argument that was being made/based on is the idea that liberals have a tendency to have abortions more than conservatives...so aborting their kids = elimination of their voter base.

Not sure how accurate this speculation is, but interesting to think about nonetheless.


The wingnut talking point here is that Demonrats want to give Free Stuff to Welfare Queens so they'll keep pushing out babies that grow up to be Demonrats.

/And if you think that check covers the cost of raising a child, you might be a wingnut.
 
2014-01-22 06:24:26 PM

vernonFL: I dnc that coming!


You and subby are going straight to Hell!
Here's  golf clap for your journey.
 
2014-01-22 06:24:39 PM

ikanreed: Callous: You're aware that conception is not documented and often times not known right? Or are you just talking out your arse?

Hmm, and yet... you think there's a person in there? Nobody knows it, but there's there's a human being!


So if a woman doesn't know the date that conception occurred she can't be pregnant?  Or it's not a human that she's pregnant with?
 
2014-01-22 06:25:37 PM

Al!: As a man who recently conceived a child intentionally with a woman who wanted to have my baby, who then dumped me and aborted my child: Fark you RvW, and Fark everyone who says a man should have no say in the matter.


Keep your dick in your pants in the presence of untrustworthy women in future. You just dodged a 16" artillary shell, and you should be thanking Jesus every day.
 
2014-01-22 06:25:44 PM

hardinparamedic: Callous: If their heart is beating on it's own how can they be brain dead?  The brain controls the heart.  Can someone have functioning organs and be brain dead?

The heart does not require the brain to function - in fact, it can function completely independently of a brain for a good deal of time, relying on the autonomic nervous system and spinal reflexes to regulate it's rate, or even just hormones in the body - such as ach and epinepherine.

The fact someone's heart is beating doesn't mean they are "alive" as we as a society define human life. It just means the sack of meat supporting a brain is still functioning.



I agree, but in this case I think you meant "the sack of meat that was supporting a brain is still functioning."
 
2014-01-22 06:26:11 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Either it's murder or it's not. Choice shouldn't be the issue.

Either it's only the woman's business or it's not. Political power to subject citizens to the whims of the majority shouldn't be the issue.


If it is murder it's the states business. If it's not it's not. So why do people pretend the argument is about something else?
 
2014-01-22 06:27:27 PM

jso2897: Al!: As a man who recently conceived a child intentionally with a woman who wanted to have my baby, who then dumped me and aborted my child: Fark you RvW, and Fark everyone who says a man should have no say in the matter.

Keep your dick in your pants in the presence of untrustworthy women in future. You just dodged a 16" artillary shell, and you should be thanking Jesus every day.


Considering his whining, I think she made the right decision.  No reason to reward defective genes
 
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