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2014-01-22 06:15:21 PM

DarwinianReject: I have compassion for people who are going through a tough time.  I want people to get all the help need for their depression.  I know people don't "snap out of it".  I don't expect them to.  The goal would be to prevent a suicide.  There's always a better way out.


And yet, you think it's fine and dandy to facilitate their suicide, and go off on rants about how much you love to see suicidal people following through. On behalf of the better 99% of humanity, here's a big and hearty fark you.
 
2014-01-22 06:15:30 PM

bighairyguy: Oklahoma, the only state Arkansas can make fun of.


Have you ever been to Arkansas? I have. They can't.

Really, no, they can't.

Neither can Texas.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2014-01-22 06:17:13 PM

yakmans_dad: OnlyM3: [
How's zero's economic growth look?

Not a single dime has been spent the last two years without the approval of the GOP. The Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority during Obama's time in office for about 2 months.

How does 0 economic growth look? To me it looks like GOP obstruction. Which happens to have been their publicly announced policy.


How many years in are we and still he gets a pass for being such a crap politician?
Pathetic. Keep apologizing. God forbid we hold these assholes accountable for what they do and what they promise. Right?
 
2014-01-22 06:29:28 PM

gja: yakmans_dad: OnlyM3: [
How's zero's economic growth look?

Not a single dime has been spent the last two years without the approval of the GOP. The Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority during Obama's time in office for about 2 months.

How does 0 economic growth look? To me it looks like GOP obstruction. Which happens to have been their publicly announced policy.

How many years in are we and still he gets a pass for being such a crap politician?


I've got a suggestion. Use nouns once and awhile rather than pronouns. Are you talking about Mitch McConnell?


Pathetic. Keep apologizing. God forbid we hold these assholes accountable for what they do and what they promise. Right?

Actually, Republicans are delivering on what they've promised: obstruction. Delivering on a crap, destructive promise isn't all that great.
 
2014-01-22 08:01:30 PM

TheGogmagog: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

So does that mean it's NOT too soon to talk about gun control?

UP Next the latest trend among high schools and colleges, Mass shootings with no gunfire or injuries.


/I could actually support this trend.


There is nothing to talk about when it comes to gun control. It's a non issue.
 
2014-01-22 08:11:27 PM

give me doughnuts: meyerkev: Perducci: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

Don't worry.  Hundreds of other people have been senselessly shot elsewhere across the United States today.

11000 gun homicides per year*/365 days = ~30/day.

* Keeping in mind that a non-zero are (actually honest-to-god) self-defense, and there's another 17000 suicides, so it's more like 76/day.  Still not hundreds though.

Not everyone that gets shot dies.

Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot.
86 of them die
53 kill themselves
30 are murdered
2 die accidentally
1 is shot in a police intervention


That still isn't very much, considering population size.
 
2014-01-22 08:28:09 PM

give me doughnuts: meyerkev: Perducci: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

Don't worry.  Hundreds of other people have been senselessly shot elsewhere across the United States today.

11000 gun homicides per year*/365 days = ~30/day.

* Keeping in mind that a non-zero are (actually honest-to-god) self-defense, and there's another 17000 suicides, so it's more like 76/day.  Still not hundreds though.

Not everyone that gets shot dies.

Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot.
86 of them die
53 kill themselves
30 are murdered
2 die accidentally
1 is shot in a police intervention


Every day in the U.S., an average of 822 people die from being fat.
 
2014-01-22 08:54:06 PM

Molavian: give me doughnuts: meyerkev: Perducci: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

Don't worry.  Hundreds of other people have been senselessly shot elsewhere across the United States today.

11000 gun homicides per year*/365 days = ~30/day.

* Keeping in mind that a non-zero are (actually honest-to-god) self-defense, and there's another 17000 suicides, so it's more like 76/day.  Still not hundreds though.

Not everyone that gets shot dies.

Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot.
86 of them die
53 kill themselves
30 are murdered
2 die accidentally
1 is shot in a police intervention

Every day in the U.S., an average of 822 people die from being fat.



Anybody else die suddenly because you're fat?  Ever hear of drive-by fattenings?  Room full of little kids heads explode when a fat guy storms a Burger King?

Please, shut up.
 
2014-01-22 09:02:51 PM

lordjupiter: Molavian: give me doughnuts: meyerkev: Perducci: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

Don't worry.  Hundreds of other people have been senselessly shot elsewhere across the United States today.

11000 gun homicides per year*/365 days = ~30/day.

* Keeping in mind that a non-zero are (actually honest-to-god) self-defense, and there's another 17000 suicides, so it's more like 76/day.  Still not hundreds though.

Not everyone that gets shot dies.

Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot.
86 of them die
53 kill themselves
30 are murdered
2 die accidentally
1 is shot in a police intervention

Every day in the U.S., an average of 822 people die from being fat.


Anybody else die suddenly because you're fat?  Ever hear of drive-by fattenings?  Room full of little kids heads explode when a fat guy storms a Burger King?

Please, shut up.


Actually, room full of kids almost never get shot, either. You just think it happens more than it does due to media saturation and psychological reasons ( you remember very rare and horrific events better than a typical day ).
 
2014-01-22 09:16:46 PM

dittybopper: lordjupiter: Molavian: give me doughnuts: meyerkev: Perducci: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

Don't worry.  Hundreds of other people have been senselessly shot elsewhere across the United States today.

11000 gun homicides per year*/365 days = ~30/day.

* Keeping in mind that a non-zero are (actually honest-to-god) self-defense, and there's another 17000 suicides, so it's more like 76/day.  Still not hundreds though.

Not everyone that gets shot dies.

Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot.
86 of them die
53 kill themselves
30 are murdered
2 die accidentally
1 is shot in a police intervention

Every day in the U.S., an average of 822 people die from being fat.


Anybody else die suddenly because you're fat?  Ever hear of drive-by fattenings?  Room full of little kids heads explode when a fat guy storms a Burger King?

Please, shut up.

Actually, room full of kids almost never get shot, either. You just think it happens more than it does due to media saturation and psychological reasons ( you remember very rare and horrific events better than a typical day ).


Terrorists almost never ram planes into buildings.  Wanna do nothing about that?  The point is you spindogs are always looking to make false analogies and abuse stats to pretend obesity is the same thing as gun violence.  Or cars are just like hammers.  Just.  Stop.  Lying.
 
2014-01-22 09:51:29 PM

DarwinianReject: give me doughnuts: meyerkev: Perducci: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

Don't worry.  Hundreds of other people have been senselessly shot elsewhere across the United States today.

11000 gun homicides per year*/365 days = ~30/day.

* Keeping in mind that a non-zero are (actually honest-to-god) self-defense, and there's another 17000 suicides, so it's more like 76/day.  Still not hundreds though.

Not everyone that gets shot dies.

Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot.
86 of them die
53 kill themselves
30 are murdered
2 die accidentally
1 is shot in a police intervention

Never understood why this number is included in anti-gun propaganda other than to inflate the numbers.  Why should I give two shiats about people offing themselves?  IMO suicide is a cowardly and superbly selfish act and the human race becomes just a little bit stronger every time some fragile snowflake kicks the bucket. I guess the same goes for "die accidentally."  I'm more worried about the "30" and the "1" up there.

/Fark the police


Guess what happens to the overall suicide rate when firearms aren't handy.
C'mon.
Guess.
 
2014-01-22 10:17:53 PM

lordjupiter: Molavian: give me doughnuts: meyerkev: Perducci: R.A.Danny: NEWSFLASH: Nothing happened and people are upset at the lost opportunity to talk gun control.

Don't worry.  Hundreds of other people have been senselessly shot elsewhere across the United States today.

11000 gun homicides per year*/365 days = ~30/day.

* Keeping in mind that a non-zero are (actually honest-to-god) self-defense, and there's another 17000 suicides, so it's more like 76/day.  Still not hundreds though.

Not everyone that gets shot dies.

Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot.
86 of them die
53 kill themselves
30 are murdered
2 die accidentally
1 is shot in a police intervention

Every day in the U.S., an average of 822 people die from being fat.


Anybody else die suddenly because you're fat?  Ever hear of drive-by fattenings?  Room full of little kids heads explode when a fat guy storms a Burger King?

Please, shut up.


What, the 822 people who die from being fat are less important than the 86 who die from being shot?

Face it.  Fat kills an order of magnitude more innocent people than guns do, and you're not clamoring for fat control.

Hypocrite.
 
2014-01-22 10:34:35 PM

lordjupiter: Terrorists almost never ram planes into buildings.  Wanna do nothing about that?


I wish.
 
2014-01-22 11:06:37 PM

umad: lordjupiter: Terrorists almost never ram planes into buildings.  Wanna do nothing about that?

I wish.


Far less than the security dog and pony show they're running now anyway.
 
2014-01-22 11:28:07 PM

lordjupiter: Terrorists almost never ram planes into buildings.  Wanna do nothing about that?


You have stated an apt comparison. The government response to a terrorist act was an unreasonable restriction upon liberty that in no way enhanced safety. Therefore, the government response to firearm-related violence should also be an unreasonable restriction upon liberty that in no way enhances safety, such as an "assault weapons ban", rather than any effective measures to prevent such incidents from occurring in the future.
 
2014-01-23 12:20:20 AM

Super Chronic: And yet, you think it's fine and dandy to facilitate their suicide, and go off on rants about how much you love to see suicidal people following through. On behalf of the better 99% of humanity, here's a big and hearty fark you.


A knife can facilitate suicide, but I'd prefer the ability to cut my steak over protecting a weak-minded person from themselves.  Pain-killers can facilitate suicide, but I'd prefer the ability to cure a hangover headache over protecting a weak-minded person from themselves.  Tall buildings facilitate suicide, but I'd prefer the ability to grow metropolitan areas and infrastructure vertically over protecting a weak-minded person from themselves.  Yep, guns facilitate suicide too, but I'd prefer my ability to "plink" at the range or defend my home and family over protecting a weak-minded person from themselves.  As someone said before: you can't cover the whole world in bubble wrap so that no one gets hurt.

I don't revel in suicide.  Like I said, let's get them all the help we cane fore it comes to that.  But I do believe that it is best that those without the internal fortitude and will to live don't pass on their weak genes by reproducing.  It's a self-selecting group.  It's the Darwinian way.  Your feelings and compassion for circumstances surrounding the recently deceased are irrelevant.  Darwin doesn't care, and neither do I.

So you speak for 99% of the human population, huh?  I guess I should really re-examine my opinions to more closely conform with your world-view.  I'll do my best in the future.
 
2014-01-23 12:28:18 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Guess what happens to the overall suicide rate when firearms aren't handy.
C'mon.
Guess.


So you're telling me that when a means to an end is not available, then that particular means is not used to achieve said end?  Good to know!
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-23 12:32:02 AM

DarwinianReject: demaL-demaL-yeH: Guess what happens to the overall suicide rate when firearms aren't handy.
C'mon.
Guess.

So you're telling me that when a means to an end is not available, then that particular means is not used to achieve said end?  Good to know!
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 200x150]

 There's deliberately obtuse.
/and then there's you pushing ten-years-past-'use-by'-date poeslaw.
 
2014-01-23 12:54:11 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: There's deliberately obtuse.
/and then there's you pushing ten-years-past-'use-by'-date poeslaw.


No, no, I get it.  You hate guns.  I have you favorited as such.  And I don't deny guns are used in suicides.  I just don't care.  The means (gun) is irrelevant to me.  I just don't care about folks who didn't care enough about themselves to heed their sense of self preservation.  Therefor, I don't want my right to have a gun to be compromised to protect those who can't deal with the ups ad downs of their life and choose to use a gun to end it.
 
2014-01-23 01:36:55 AM

DarwinianReject: demaL-demaL-yeH: There's deliberately obtuse.
/and then there's you pushing ten-years-past-'use-by'-date poeslaw.

No, no, I get it.  You hate guns.  I have you favorited as such.  And I don't deny guns are used in suicides.   I just don't care.  The means (gun) is irrelevant to me.   I just don't care about folks who didn't care enough about themselves to heed their sense of self preservation.  Therefor, I don't want my right to have a gun to be compromised to protect those who can't deal with the ups ad downs of their life and choose to use a gun to end it.


I hate guns? Are you high? If you've ever had one of these, you love it (even when you're sitting in cherry juice and pumping it back into barrels when one of these little beasties springs a leak).
I want every legal US resident who isn't mentally ill, criminal, or a conscientious objector, to be trained and fully proficient with firearms. I have said so many, many times.
And you are now posing as a sociopath, which is a prime example of the first category of persons who should not have access to firearms.
 
2014-01-23 07:17:03 AM

DarwinianReject: demaL-demaL-yeH: Guess what happens to the overall suicide rate when firearms aren't handy.
C'mon.
Guess.

So you're telling me that when a means to an end is not available, then that particular means is not used to achieve said end?  Good to know!
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 200x150]


personally I think it's terrible, all of those overalls shooting themselves.

/and what about the underalls
 
2014-01-23 09:03:31 AM

lordjupiter: Terrorists almost never ram planes into buildings.  Wanna do nothing about that?


Pretty much, yeah.  You want to know why?

Because it's never, ever going to happen again, simply because the passengers in any attempted hijacking will now realize that they have nothing left to lose, and will act accordingly, like they did on Flight 93, and like how they did with the shoe bomber, and like how they did with the underwear bomber,

Prior to 9/11, everyone including flight crews and even passengers were told to cooperate with hijackers, because prior to 9/11, no hijackers had planned to commit suicide by ramming the aircraft into buildings.   Generally, the hijackers would ask to be flown to some country, or they would make some political demands, and it could be handled in a way where the majority, if not all, of the passengers and crew could be saved.

That paradigm has changed, however.

In fact, some of the alleged security measures might actually make things *WORSE*, not better. Strengthened cockpit doors, for example:  If hijackers do manage to make it past that door through some subterfuge, it will be pretty much impossible for the passengers to do anything about it.

The point is you spindogs are always looking to make false analogies and abuse stats to pretend obesity is the same thing as gun violence.  Or cars are just like hammers.  Just.  Stop.  Lying.

Is what I said above false in any way?

Just. Stop. Lying. Yourself.
 
2014-01-23 09:06:28 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Guess what happens to the overall suicide rate when firearms aren't handy.
C'mon.
Guess.


Substitution effect.  Overall suicide rates stay about the same (or if increasing, continue to increase), while firearms suicides drop:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12882416
 
2014-01-23 09:08:57 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Guess what happens to the overall suicide rate when firearms aren't handy.
C'mon.
Guess.


Guess you didn't read a *MAJOR* caveat on that page:

Limitations: Firearm accessibility was determined by survey interviews in most studies; misclassification of accessibility may have occurred.
 
2014-01-23 10:55:41 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I hate guns? Are you high? If you've ever had one of these, you love it (even when you're sitting in cherry juice and pumping it back into barrels when one of these little beasties springs a leak).
I want every legal US resident who isn't mentally ill, criminal, or a conscientious objector, to be trained and fully proficient with firearms. I have said so many, many times.
And you are now posing as a sociopath, which is a prime example of the first category of persons who should not have access to firearms.


I favorited you before I started labeling my favorites with the thread ID I could reference to remind me why I tagged people.  I may need to re-evaluate my tag for you.  Perhaps (favorite: cherry picker 8111203) because you're taking issue with sentence fragments an not the context of the entire sentence or even the context f the conversation as a whole.  I have compassion for people before they commit suicide.  OTOH, after doing the deed, compassion seems pointless and a waste of energy.

I have never done anything to compromise or call into question my legal access and possession of firearms.  That won't change just because some guy on fark thinks I'm a poopyhead.

/Oh yea.  So is everyone O.K. in OK?
//Talk about a tangent!
 
2014-01-23 11:01:09 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: these little beasties


Are you a fellow redleg?  I may get to like you after all.
 
2014-01-23 11:40:09 AM

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: Guess what happens to the overall suicide rate when firearms aren't handy.
C'mon.
Guess.

Guess you didn't read a *MAJOR* caveat on that page:

Limitations: Firearm accessibility was determined by survey interviews in most studies; misclassification of accessibility may have occurred.


Bro, how can you misclassify availability of the weapon a person used to commit suicide?
No firearm accessible means no self-inflicted gunshot wounds from the firearm the victim used.
It can't get much more axiomatic that that.
 
2014-01-23 11:45:09 AM

DarwinianReject: demaL-demaL-yeH: these little beasties

Are you a fellow redleg?  I may get to like you after all.


Duck hunters don't count.
 
2014-01-23 11:48:15 AM

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: Guess what happens to the overall suicide rate when firearms aren't handy.
C'mon.
Guess.

Substitution effect.  Overall suicide rates stay about the same (or if increasing, continue to increase), while firearms suicides drop:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12882416


And please don't try to counter with a source that's eleven years out of date, and which is incorporated in the new research: That isn't even cherry-picking: It's picking a deer pellet out of a bucket of cherries.
 
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