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(RealClear)   Extremely rare blue diamond found in South Africa is just another overpriced carbon atom lattice randomly made by nature   (realclear.com) divider line 43
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2014-01-22 02:03:51 PM  
5 votes:
If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.
2014-01-22 02:26:50 PM  
4 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.


QFT
2014-01-22 04:03:21 PM  
2 votes:

Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.


De Beers!


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2014-01-22 03:44:15 PM  
2 votes:

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Shadow Blasko: miniflea: Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?

Something wrong with a nice alexandrite?

That's what I got my wife. She loves it.


One of my faves.

Moldavite
Alexandrite
Tsavorite Garnet
Spessartine Garnet
Labradorite

That pretty much covers it. Mystic topaz is nice, just don't take a tray of it through the airport. Tends to set off certain detectors.
2014-01-22 03:28:26 PM  
2 votes:
Diamonds are indeed over-priced. One must know something about gem stones to appreciate just how unique diamonds really are. Most people know them by the crap stones sold in the average mall jewelry store and have never seen an internally flawless, pure white stone. When you look into them with a loupe, you see a kaleidoscope of color and perfect geometry. But they aren't the most expensive of stones. Pigeon blood rubies form Sri Lanka are far more expensive carat-for-carat than diamonds.
2014-01-22 02:20:17 PM  
2 votes:
It's not even pure carbon, but carbon with blue crap in it.
2014-01-23 03:36:04 AM  
1 votes:
Mankinds obsession with owning the rare and useless to appear a better mate and attain social standing is depressing.

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2014-01-22 07:04:58 PM  
1 votes:

Eerily Familiar: I am extremely disappointed in this thread.  I expected to see some references to Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Blue Carbuncle" and perhaps a few comebacks using the medical meaning of carbuncle.


Well, I came to this thread to ask if it was found inside a goose's crop.  Sorry I'm late.
2014-01-22 06:34:24 PM  
1 votes:

cgraves67:

"Conflict Diamonds" are not produced by De Beers. They are mined by rebels and unscrupulous African governments to subsidize their internal wars. By giving conflict diamonds a stigma, De Beers benefits because this tamps down on suppliers that don't work through De Beers.


Except that DeBeers has been repeatedly connected to wholesale purchase of conflict diamonds, and has provided weapons and funding to the warlords who control those mines in exchange for those warlords product. DeBeers has as much blood on it's hands as any Central West African butcher.
2014-01-22 05:42:47 PM  
1 votes:

rickythepenguin: i remember joe rogan podcast recently, where he went to some top secret lab in Russia where they perfected artificial diamonds.  i guess real diamonds have microscopic flaws or chipped edges, etc., but this lab makes fake diamonds with zero flaws.

of course, bieng fake, no one wants them.  people would rather pay the DeBeers cartel X amount of money for a product inferior to a man-made diamond.  weird.


when we got engaged my wife insisted on a diamond, but we / she didn't go nuts.  i think .6 carat.  not sure.  not very big.  ran me about a $1000. no small amount mind you, but, not a 3 carat boulder.  now of course she's like, "diamonds are stupid, we should have just saved the money".  and she doesn't even wear it.  well, every now and then, on special ocasions but not much in day to day life.


My engagement ring has a simulated diamond. I thought it was ridiculous to pay for a real diamond when I could pretty much the exact same thing for a tenth of the price.

I designed the ring and setting myself and we had a lot of trouble finding a jeweler who would set the stone. Two of them bailed out when they found out it wasn't a real diamond (we just said we already had the stone). One place, the saleswoman started freaking out, saying "we can't have that in the store!!" and practically pushed us out the door. I kept asking why, she couldn't really explain was sort of saying they were afraid they would get it mixed up with a real diamond and wouldn't be able to tell the difference. One salesman asked why I would want something that wasn't dug out of the ground.

We eventually found a nice independent jeweler who said "no problem" and just asked that we be responsible for the stone, since he wasn't sure exactly what he was working with and didn't not how it would react to heat. We were fine with that.
2014-01-22 05:10:18 PM  
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Well if it isn't the captain of the glee club.  There's other lines of discussion going on here besides the blood diamond angle.  Ones I believe have been born out of


Also, the rocks that DeBeers digs out of the ground aren't "blood diamonds" but their workers are about two steps above slave labor.
2014-01-22 04:35:52 PM  
1 votes:

trappedspirit: Monkeyhouse Zendo: trappedspirit: This thread went to bittertown at mach speed

Recognizing that the diamond market is a scam built on human suffering is now considered bitter?

Well if it isn't the captain of the glee club.  There's other lines of discussion going on here besides the blood diamond angle.  Ones I believe have been born out of

A) Never having been given a diamond
B) Giving a diamond and having it walk out of your life
C) Getting a diamond that is now sitting in a pawn shop




4. Having to sell a diamond ring for the gold scrap and getting absolutely nothing for the diamond because "it has no resale value."

Old de Beers did a number on us making want something so useless and at such artificially inflated prices.
2014-01-22 04:30:25 PM  
1 votes:
Well, yes Subby, but she'll pretty much have to.

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2014-01-22 04:27:04 PM  
1 votes:

tripleseven: deanis: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

Yeah, expect to get  10-20% of the purchase value when trying to resell a diamond ring. Fark diamonds, and fark jewelers.

Did you try selling the diamond loose? To a private party?

Some people shy away from used jewelry.


This article from 1982 explains the problem quite nicely.
2014-01-22 04:22:38 PM  
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: thurstonxhowell: Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.

Engagement rings have been a thing for a very long time. Like, since the Roman Empire long. Then, in 1947, a marketing genius came up with the slogan "A Diamond is Forever" for DeBeers. Toss in the "two-month's salary" thing shortly after that, and you're got the basics of the story.

For more marketing genius, see: The trinity ring (why buy one diamond when you can buy three?) and the eternity ring (diamonds everywhere!).

Yeah, but there seriously has to be more to it than that, right? I truly just don't get it.
I could give a rat's ass if I ever have a diamond.  I find it really hard to believe that if I had a vagina I would feel any different.


The marketing is driven by cultural tradition.

The prices are driven by artificially restricted supply. Diamonds are plentiful in certain areas of Africa. De Beers owns those areas and defends them vigorously. They collude with other suppliers (like Soviet Russia, for a time) to keep the market supply lower than demand, which drives up prices.

"Conflict Diamonds" are not produced by De Beers. They are mined by rebels and unscrupulous African governments to subsidize their internal wars. By giving conflict diamonds a stigma, De Beers benefits because this tamps down on suppliers that don't work through De Beers.
2014-01-22 04:19:35 PM  
1 votes:
CREATED diamonds are cool stuff in my book, you can grow exactly what you want.  Lots of industrial uses.

This is just a scavenged shiny rock BFD.
2014-01-22 04:15:31 PM  
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: thurstonxhowell: Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.

Engagement rings have been a thing for a very long time. Like, since the Roman Empire long. Then, in 1947, a marketing genius came up with the slogan "A Diamond is Forever" for DeBeers. Toss in the "two-month's salary" thing shortly after that, and you're got the basics of the story.

For more marketing genius, see: The trinity ring (why buy one diamond when you can buy three?) and the eternity ring (diamonds everywhere!).

Yeah, but there seriously has to be more to it than that, right? I truly just don't get it.
I could give a rat's ass if I ever have a diamond.  I find it really hard to believe that if I had a vagina I would feel any different.


Women all started shaving because razor companies told them their hairy bodies were gross. It's just how advertising works. Then it later gets rolled into a cultural identity and here we are.
2014-01-22 04:08:27 PM  
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.


http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/82feb/8202diamond1.htm
2014-01-22 04:06:51 PM  
1 votes:
<b>TFA</b>: ...<i>and could "yield a polished stone of great value and importance,"</i>

No.  No it could not.  Want to get some value out of it? Use it for diamond-tipped drill bits.
2014-01-22 04:06:49 PM  
1 votes:

Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.


Engagement rings have been a thing for a very long time. Like, since the Roman Empire long. Then, in 1947, a marketing genius came up with the slogan "A Diamond is Forever" for DeBeers. Toss in the "two-month's salary" thing shortly after that, and you're got the basics of the story.

For more marketing genius, see: The trinity ring (why buy one diamond when you can buy three?) and the eternity ring (diamonds everywhere!).
2014-01-22 04:05:14 PM  
1 votes:
If you want a blue diamond and aren't rich, lab grown ones are available for around the cost of colorless mined diamonds. It beats paying 10x more for a mined one though and the only differences are in the grading report it will say lab grown and some very specific tests will show it lab grown. I know D.NEA and Chatham are two of the main companies selling the lab grown blues.
2014-01-22 03:52:24 PM  
1 votes:

rickythepenguin: exvaxman: there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small.


yeah, i kinda remember rogan saying that;  artificial diamonds are nothing new, but the lab in Russia can make them gem size, versus the smaller indistrial size.  i don't know the science but Ol' Ivan can make some freaking boulders, apparently.

and it was so "top secret", they wouldn't let him bring his iPhone, for fear of location tracking.  actually, i'm not sure if it was rogan or a guest, but whomever it was on his podcast, said they had to get metal-detected to esnure they weren't using a GPS to get tot he facility, and then they had blackout curtains on the limo or bus.  super top secret shiat.  and for what?  big ass gem quality diamonds, literally "even better than the real thing" that no one wants to buy.


I won't by natural diamonds.  I would buy jewelry using synthetic diamonds, if it was available.  So far all I've seen is stuff in crappy settings.
2014-01-22 03:34:00 PM  
1 votes:
Last seen on their way into the area:

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2014-01-22 03:25:42 PM  
1 votes:

exvaxman: there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small.



yeah, i kinda remember rogan saying that;  artificial diamonds are nothing new, but the lab in Russia can make them gem size, versus the smaller indistrial size.  i don't know the science but Ol' Ivan can make some freaking boulders, apparently.

and it was so "top secret", they wouldn't let him bring his iPhone, for fear of location tracking.  actually, i'm not sure if it was rogan or a guest, but whomever it was on his podcast, said they had to get metal-detected to esnure they weren't using a GPS to get tot he facility, and then they had blackout curtains on the limo or bus.  super top secret shiat.  and for what?  big ass gem quality diamonds, literally "even better than the real thing" that no one wants to buy.
2014-01-22 03:22:00 PM  
1 votes:
I told my girlfriend back in '89 not to expect any diamonds, since they're an overpriced scam.  She did insist on a reasonable and acceptable-quality one for the engagement ring, but damaged it twice and then got it stolen.

We took the insurance money and paid some bills, bought a nice metal-only band, and called it a day.

Still married, still have all my money, and she still appreciates not having to be super-careful with that metal band.
2014-01-22 03:18:53 PM  
1 votes:

exvaxman: rickythepenguin
As memory serves, there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small. The cartel has spent millions developing a scanner to determine "mined" vs. Synthetic diamonds, as if anybody (outside of potential wives)
cares.


What they've really developed is a "farking biatch" detector.  We should thank them.
2014-01-22 03:17:12 PM  
1 votes:

miniflea: Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?


Something wrong with a nice alexandrite?
2014-01-22 03:12:42 PM  
1 votes:
rickythepenguin
As memory serves, there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small. The cartel has spent millions developing a scanner to determine "mined" vs. Synthetic diamonds, as if anybody (outside of potential wives)
cares.
2014-01-22 03:12:16 PM  
1 votes:
Extremely rare blue diamond found?

Keep it away from this lady or it will never be found again:

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2014-01-22 03:11:12 PM  
1 votes:
On a related note, does anyone know big can they make artificial diamonds?
2014-01-22 03:06:35 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-01-22 03:06:06 PM  
1 votes:
i remember joe rogan podcast recently, where he went to some top secret lab in Russia where they perfected artificial diamonds.  i guess real diamonds have microscopic flaws or chipped edges, etc., but this lab makes fake diamonds with zero flaws.

of course, bieng fake, no one wants them.  people would rather pay the DeBeers cartel X amount of money for a product inferior to a man-made diamond.  weird.


when we got engaged my wife insisted on a diamond, but we / she didn't go nuts.  i think .6 carat.  not sure.  not very big.  ran me about a $1000. no small amount mind you, but, not a 3 carat boulder.  now of course she's like, "diamonds are stupid, we should have just saved the money".  and she doesn't even wear it.  well, every now and then, on special ocasions but not much in day to day life.
2014-01-22 03:02:05 PM  
1 votes:
Meh, blue glass looks just as good.
2014-01-22 03:01:54 PM  
1 votes:
So if it's extremely rare does that make it a... bloody diamond?
2014-01-22 03:00:21 PM  
1 votes:
Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?
2014-01-22 02:56:03 PM  
1 votes:

deanis: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

Yeah, expect to get  10-20% of the purchase value when trying to resell a diamond ring. Fark diamonds, and fark jewelers.


Did you try selling the diamond loose? To a private party?

Some people shy away from used jewelry.
2014-01-22 02:55:52 PM  
1 votes:
2014-01-22 02:53:07 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.


Yeah, expect to get  10-20% of the purchase value when trying to resell a diamond ring. Fark diamonds, and fark jewelers.
2014-01-22 02:51:57 PM  
1 votes:
Whatever, they make excellent pickaxes!
2014-01-22 02:50:32 PM  
1 votes:

EvilEgg: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

QFT


DQFDT
2014-01-22 02:47:25 PM  
1 votes:
How did they get past the white gorillas?
2014-01-22 02:46:01 PM  
1 votes:
My family jewels are blue.
2014-01-22 01:17:36 PM  
1 votes:
wouldn't be 'over-priced' if we all had one
 
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