Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(RealClear)   Extremely rare blue diamond found in South Africa is just another overpriced carbon atom lattice randomly made by nature   (realclear.com) divider line 112
    More: Interesting, South Africa, diamonds  
•       •       •

9029 clicks; posted to Main » on 22 Jan 2014 at 2:44 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



112 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2014-01-22 01:17:36 PM  
wouldn't be 'over-priced' if we all had one
 
2014-01-22 01:19:13 PM  
It's pretty, anyway
 
2014-01-22 02:03:51 PM  
If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.
 
2014-01-22 02:20:17 PM  
It's not even pure carbon, but carbon with blue crap in it.
 
2014-01-22 02:26:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.


QFT
 
2014-01-22 02:46:01 PM  
My family jewels are blue.
 
2014-01-22 02:46:15 PM  
Cousin avi!


(Too lazy to Google an image)
 
2014-01-22 02:47:25 PM  
How did they get past the white gorillas?
 
2014-01-22 02:49:17 PM  
Blew is the only way she is going to get it.
 
2014-01-22 02:50:32 PM  

EvilEgg: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

QFT


DQFDT
 
2014-01-22 02:51:57 PM  
Whatever, they make excellent pickaxes!
 
2014-01-22 02:53:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.


Yeah, expect to get  10-20% of the purchase value when trying to resell a diamond ring. Fark diamonds, and fark jewelers.
 
2014-01-22 02:55:15 PM  
Someone get Throckmorton's air hammer.
 
2014-01-22 02:55:52 PM  
 
2014-01-22 02:56:03 PM  

deanis: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

Yeah, expect to get  10-20% of the purchase value when trying to resell a diamond ring. Fark diamonds, and fark jewelers.


Did you try selling the diamond loose? To a private party?

Some people shy away from used jewelry.
 
2014-01-22 02:56:23 PM  
Subby sounds poor...

/me too...
 
2014-01-22 02:58:01 PM  
It's a sapphire!
 
2014-01-22 02:58:59 PM  
This thread went to bittertown at mach speed
 
2014-01-22 03:00:21 PM  
Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?
 
2014-01-22 03:01:22 PM  

deanis: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

Yeah, expect to get  10-20% of the purchase value when trying to resell a diamond ring. Fark diamonds, and fark jewelers.


This is why I give loved ones cash and guns for presents.
 
2014-01-22 03:01:54 PM  
So if it's extremely rare does that make it a... bloody diamond?
 
2014-01-22 03:02:05 PM  
Meh, blue glass looks just as good.
 
2014-01-22 03:02:42 PM  

uber humper: It's a sapphire!


Nope.
 
2014-01-22 03:03:17 PM  
It's only overpriced if fewer than two children were killed during it's mining.
 
2014-01-22 03:03:19 PM  
If I had unlimited cash, I would actually think of getting it in the raw form. Then kick my posterior daily for wasting that much money, but appreciating it.
 
2014-01-22 03:03:35 PM  
You're gonna get dragons.
 
2014-01-22 03:05:22 PM  
The "exceptional" vivid blue stone was found in the Cullinan mine, near Pretoria

thestorydept.thestorydepartme3.netdna-cdn.com


The frost, it sometimes makes the blade stick.
 
2014-01-22 03:05:34 PM  

Deathfrogg: uber humper: It's a sapphire!

Nope.


Dumbass can't tell the difference between corundum and diamond.
 
2014-01-22 03:06:05 PM  
Finally the mine workers can enjoy the fruits of their labor!
 
2014-01-22 03:06:06 PM  
i remember joe rogan podcast recently, where he went to some top secret lab in Russia where they perfected artificial diamonds.  i guess real diamonds have microscopic flaws or chipped edges, etc., but this lab makes fake diamonds with zero flaws.

of course, bieng fake, no one wants them.  people would rather pay the DeBeers cartel X amount of money for a product inferior to a man-made diamond.  weird.


when we got engaged my wife insisted on a diamond, but we / she didn't go nuts.  i think .6 carat.  not sure.  not very big.  ran me about a $1000. no small amount mind you, but, not a 3 carat boulder.  now of course she's like, "diamonds are stupid, we should have just saved the money".  and she doesn't even wear it.  well, every now and then, on special ocasions but not much in day to day life.
 
2014-01-22 03:06:35 PM  
hateandanger.files.wordpress.com
s2.hubimg.com
 
2014-01-22 03:09:03 PM  
So it's not the jewel of the Nile?
 
2014-01-22 03:10:35 PM  
I prefer the wasabi and soy sauce ones.
 
2014-01-22 03:11:05 PM  

tripleseven: deanis: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

Yeah, expect to get  10-20% of the purchase value when trying to resell a diamond ring. Fark diamonds, and fark jewelers.

Did you try selling the diamond loose? To a private party?

Some people shy away from used jewelry.


I've tried craiglist and had a couple bites, but tons of scammers.
 
2014-01-22 03:11:12 PM  
On a related note, does anyone know big can they make artificial diamonds?
 
2014-01-22 03:11:58 PM  
That would pretty gaudy in a ring.
 
2014-01-22 03:12:16 PM  
Extremely rare blue diamond found?

Keep it away from this lady or it will never be found again:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-22 03:12:42 PM  
rickythepenguin
As memory serves, there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small. The cartel has spent millions developing a scanner to determine "mined" vs. Synthetic diamonds, as if anybody (outside of potential wives)
cares.
 
2014-01-22 03:13:17 PM  

miniflea: Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?


Would you believe that most amethyst mined these days gets heat treated into citrine?  Abomination!
 
2014-01-22 03:15:40 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: On a related note, does anyone know big can they make artificial diamonds?


Know big or know home....
 
2014-01-22 03:17:12 PM  

miniflea: Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?


Something wrong with a nice alexandrite?
 
2014-01-22 03:18:53 PM  

exvaxman: rickythepenguin
As memory serves, there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small. The cartel has spent millions developing a scanner to determine "mined" vs. Synthetic diamonds, as if anybody (outside of potential wives)
cares.


What they've really developed is a "farking biatch" detector.  We should thank them.
 
2014-01-22 03:22:00 PM  
I told my girlfriend back in '89 not to expect any diamonds, since they're an overpriced scam.  She did insist on a reasonable and acceptable-quality one for the engagement ring, but damaged it twice and then got it stolen.

We took the insurance money and paid some bills, bought a nice metal-only band, and called it a day.

Still married, still have all my money, and she still appreciates not having to be super-careful with that metal band.
 
2014-01-22 03:25:42 PM  

exvaxman: there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small.



yeah, i kinda remember rogan saying that;  artificial diamonds are nothing new, but the lab in Russia can make them gem size, versus the smaller indistrial size.  i don't know the science but Ol' Ivan can make some freaking boulders, apparently.

and it was so "top secret", they wouldn't let him bring his iPhone, for fear of location tracking.  actually, i'm not sure if it was rogan or a guest, but whomever it was on his podcast, said they had to get metal-detected to esnure they weren't using a GPS to get tot he facility, and then they had blackout curtains on the limo or bus.  super top secret shiat.  and for what?  big ass gem quality diamonds, literally "even better than the real thing" that no one wants to buy.
 
2014-01-22 03:27:07 PM  

fickenchucker: I told my girlfriend back in '89 not to expect any diamonds, since they're an overpriced scam.  She did insist on a reasonable and acceptable-quality one for the engagement ring, but damaged it twice and then got it stolen.

We took the insurance money and paid some bills, bought a nice metal-only band, and called it a day.

Still married, still have all my money, and she still appreciates not having to be super-careful with that metal band.


Does she fall down the stairs a lot, too?
 
2014-01-22 03:28:26 PM  
Diamonds are indeed over-priced. One must know something about gem stones to appreciate just how unique diamonds really are. Most people know them by the crap stones sold in the average mall jewelry store and have never seen an internally flawless, pure white stone. When you look into them with a loupe, you see a kaleidoscope of color and perfect geometry. But they aren't the most expensive of stones. Pigeon blood rubies form Sri Lanka are far more expensive carat-for-carat than diamonds.
 
2014-01-22 03:32:24 PM  
There is a facility that local funeral parlors use to make diamonds from ashes.
Should my "better two-thirds" precede me, you better believe I am going to do that and smile every morning as I see that speck of diamond in my teeth.
(Joking, nope, knowing where her ashes are going to be spread)
 
2014-01-22 03:32:35 PM  

Shadow Blasko: miniflea: Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?

Something wrong with a nice alexandrite?


That's what I got my wife. She loves it.
 
2014-01-22 03:34:00 PM  
Last seen on their way into the area:

filmfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-01-22 03:35:40 PM  
I am extremely disappointed in this thread.  I expected to see some references to Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Blue Carbuncle" and perhaps a few comebacks using the medical meaning of carbuncle.
 
2014-01-22 03:36:05 PM  

trappedspirit: This thread went to bittertown at mach speed


Recognizing that the diamond market is a scam built on human suffering is now considered bitter?
 
2014-01-22 03:38:27 PM  
And the miner who found it immediately then fell into lava.

media.pcgamer.com
 
2014-01-22 03:44:15 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Shadow Blasko: miniflea: Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?

Something wrong with a nice alexandrite?

That's what I got my wife. She loves it.


One of my faves.

Moldavite
Alexandrite
Tsavorite Garnet
Spessartine Garnet
Labradorite

That pretty much covers it. Mystic topaz is nice, just don't take a tray of it through the airport. Tends to set off certain detectors.
 
2014-01-22 03:47:05 PM  

rickythepenguin: of course, bieng fake, no one wants them. people would rather pay the DeBeers cartel X amount of money for a product inferior to a man-made diamond. weird.


I looked pretty hard for man made diamonds when I was engagement ring shopping. Both me and the future Mrs Howell would have been just as happy with one. For a diamond meeting my requirements, a mined diamond from Blue Nile was cheaper than what I found from man made sources. Had I wanted higher clarity, cared less about color, or wanted a different size stone, man-made might have won that race, but they didn't quite make it for me.

As for complaining about the prices at brick-and-mortar jewelry stores, I won't argue. Those guys are ripoff artists. Diamonds are not unique in that respect. Compare titanium rings online to ones at a jewelry store and you'll see what I mean.
 
2014-01-22 03:51:54 PM  

rickythepenguin: literally "even better than the real thing" that no one wants to buy.


OK, now you're repeating this. They are capable of offering a product that is a miracle of science and unequivocally better than what can be dug out of the ground, and no one wants to buy it because, presumably, they hate money and Africans. Do you really believe that?

I assume that it would be cheaper is implied, because everyone keeps saying diamonds are an overpriced scam. If they're an overpriced scam, a more expensive competitor would be expected to fail for obvious reasons.
 
2014-01-22 03:52:24 PM  

rickythepenguin: exvaxman: there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small.


yeah, i kinda remember rogan saying that;  artificial diamonds are nothing new, but the lab in Russia can make them gem size, versus the smaller indistrial size.  i don't know the science but Ol' Ivan can make some freaking boulders, apparently.

and it was so "top secret", they wouldn't let him bring his iPhone, for fear of location tracking.  actually, i'm not sure if it was rogan or a guest, but whomever it was on his podcast, said they had to get metal-detected to esnure they weren't using a GPS to get tot he facility, and then they had blackout curtains on the limo or bus.  super top secret shiat.  and for what?  big ass gem quality diamonds, literally "even better than the real thing" that no one wants to buy.


I won't by natural diamonds.  I would buy jewelry using synthetic diamonds, if it was available.  So far all I've seen is stuff in crappy settings.
 
2014-01-22 03:53:03 PM  

big pig peaches: How did they get past the white gorillas?


Phasic laser.
 
2014-01-22 03:57:01 PM  
I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.
 
2014-01-22 04:00:41 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: trappedspirit: This thread went to bittertown at mach speed

Recognizing that the diamond market is a scam built on human suffering is now considered bitter?


Well if it isn't the captain of the glee club.  There's other lines of discussion going on here besides the blood diamond angle.  Ones I believe have been born out of

A) Never having been given a diamond
B) Giving a diamond and having it walk out of your life
C) Getting a diamond that is now sitting in a pawn shop
 
2014-01-22 04:02:08 PM  
It's a testament to marketing that this stuff retains any 'mystique' at all. There are enough diamonds existing today that they could put them as cereal box prizes and they'd never get rid of them. The managed scarcities are all that keep the illusion of real value alive.
 
2014-01-22 04:03:21 PM  

Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.


De Beers!


www.faniq.com
 
2014-01-22 04:04:51 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: fickenchucker: I told my girlfriend back in '89 not to expect any diamonds, since they're an overpriced scam.  She did insist on a reasonable and acceptable-quality one for the engagement ring, but damaged it twice and then got it stolen.

We took the insurance money and paid some bills, bought a nice metal-only band, and called it a day.

Still married, still have all my money, and she still appreciates not having to be super-careful with that metal band.

Does she fall down the stairs a lot, too?


??
 
2014-01-22 04:05:14 PM  
If you want a blue diamond and aren't rich, lab grown ones are available for around the cost of colorless mined diamonds. It beats paying 10x more for a mined one though and the only differences are in the grading report it will say lab grown and some very specific tests will show it lab grown. I know D.NEA and Chatham are two of the main companies selling the lab grown blues.
 
2014-01-22 04:06:49 PM  

Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.


Engagement rings have been a thing for a very long time. Like, since the Roman Empire long. Then, in 1947, a marketing genius came up with the slogan "A Diamond is Forever" for DeBeers. Toss in the "two-month's salary" thing shortly after that, and you're got the basics of the story.

For more marketing genius, see: The trinity ring (why buy one diamond when you can buy three?) and the eternity ring (diamonds everywhere!).
 
2014-01-22 04:06:51 PM  
<b>TFA</b>: ...<i>and could "yield a polished stone of great value and importance,"</i>

No.  No it could not.  Want to get some value out of it? Use it for diamond-tipped drill bits.
 
2014-01-22 04:08:27 PM  

Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.


http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/82feb/8202diamond1.htm
 
2014-01-22 04:10:01 PM  

Josu: <b>TFA</b>: ...<i>and could "yield a polished stone of great value and importance,"</i>

No.  No it could not.  Want to get some value out of it? Use it for diamond-tipped drill bits.


This is true if you do not like money. If you do like money, you should probably cut and polish it, set it in something nice, and sell that. If you prefer proving points to making money, I guess that's your thing. Given the choice, I'd take the money any day.
 
2014-01-22 04:10:13 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.

Engagement rings have been a thing for a very long time. Like, since the Roman Empire long. Then, in 1947, a marketing genius came up with the slogan "A Diamond is Forever" for DeBeers. Toss in the "two-month's salary" thing shortly after that, and you're got the basics of the story.

For more marketing genius, see: The trinity ring (why buy one diamond when you can buy three?) and the eternity ring (diamonds everywhere!).


Yeah, but there seriously has to be more to it than that, right? I truly just don't get it.
I could give a rat's ass if I ever have a diamond.  I find it really hard to believe that if I had a vagina I would feel any different.
 
2014-01-22 04:14:44 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Josu: <b>TFA</b>: ...<i>and could "yield a polished stone of great value and importance,"</i>

No.  No it could not.  Want to get some value out of it? Use it for diamond-tipped drill bits.

This is true if you do not like money. If you do like money, you should probably cut and polish it, set it in something nice, and sell that. If you prefer proving points to making money, I guess that's your thing. Given the choice, I'd take the money any day.


I prefer making points in Fark threads and money-whoring in secret.
 
2014-01-22 04:15:31 PM  

Buttknuckle: thurstonxhowell: Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.

Engagement rings have been a thing for a very long time. Like, since the Roman Empire long. Then, in 1947, a marketing genius came up with the slogan "A Diamond is Forever" for DeBeers. Toss in the "two-month's salary" thing shortly after that, and you're got the basics of the story.

For more marketing genius, see: The trinity ring (why buy one diamond when you can buy three?) and the eternity ring (diamonds everywhere!).

Yeah, but there seriously has to be more to it than that, right? I truly just don't get it.
I could give a rat's ass if I ever have a diamond.  I find it really hard to believe that if I had a vagina I would feel any different.


Women all started shaving because razor companies told them their hairy bodies were gross. It's just how advertising works. Then it later gets rolled into a cultural identity and here we are.
 
2014-01-22 04:16:41 PM  
Supermodel still won't sleep with you.
 
2014-01-22 04:17:17 PM  

Josu: Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/82feb/8202diamond1.htm


Thank you.
 
2014-01-22 04:18:17 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.


I don't know much about diamonds.
Let me call someone I know to come take a look at it.
 
2014-01-22 04:19:35 PM  
CREATED diamonds are cool stuff in my book, you can grow exactly what you want.  Lots of industrial uses.

This is just a scavenged shiny rock BFD.
 
2014-01-22 04:22:38 PM  

Buttknuckle: thurstonxhowell: Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.

Engagement rings have been a thing for a very long time. Like, since the Roman Empire long. Then, in 1947, a marketing genius came up with the slogan "A Diamond is Forever" for DeBeers. Toss in the "two-month's salary" thing shortly after that, and you're got the basics of the story.

For more marketing genius, see: The trinity ring (why buy one diamond when you can buy three?) and the eternity ring (diamonds everywhere!).

Yeah, but there seriously has to be more to it than that, right? I truly just don't get it.
I could give a rat's ass if I ever have a diamond.  I find it really hard to believe that if I had a vagina I would feel any different.


The marketing is driven by cultural tradition.

The prices are driven by artificially restricted supply. Diamonds are plentiful in certain areas of Africa. De Beers owns those areas and defends them vigorously. They collude with other suppliers (like Soviet Russia, for a time) to keep the market supply lower than demand, which drives up prices.

"Conflict Diamonds" are not produced by De Beers. They are mined by rebels and unscrupulous African governments to subsidize their internal wars. By giving conflict diamonds a stigma, De Beers benefits because this tamps down on suppliers that don't work through De Beers.
 
2014-01-22 04:27:04 PM  

tripleseven: deanis: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

Yeah, expect to get  10-20% of the purchase value when trying to resell a diamond ring. Fark diamonds, and fark jewelers.

Did you try selling the diamond loose? To a private party?

Some people shy away from used jewelry.


This article from 1982 explains the problem quite nicely.
 
2014-01-22 04:30:25 PM  
Well, yes Subby, but she'll pretty much have to.

imageshack.com
 
2014-01-22 04:31:49 PM  
There's a nice Diamond sitting on Venus. The American Pioneer probe that landed on Venus had a diamond window on the atmospheric probe they used as a super strong, optically clear window for the Spectrophotometer for scanning atmospheric composition as it descended. Basically took a big ass diamond, cut it into a flat slab and polished it. It soft landed, because of the awesome atmospheric density it was like it was descending through water. Didn't have a camera onboard, tho.
 
2014-01-22 04:33:51 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.


If you think diamonds are cheap try buying one.
 
2014-01-22 04:35:52 PM  

trappedspirit: Monkeyhouse Zendo: trappedspirit: This thread went to bittertown at mach speed

Recognizing that the diamond market is a scam built on human suffering is now considered bitter?

Well if it isn't the captain of the glee club.  There's other lines of discussion going on here besides the blood diamond angle.  Ones I believe have been born out of

A) Never having been given a diamond
B) Giving a diamond and having it walk out of your life
C) Getting a diamond that is now sitting in a pawn shop




4. Having to sell a diamond ring for the gold scrap and getting absolutely nothing for the diamond because "it has no resale value."

Old de Beers did a number on us making want something so useless and at such artificially inflated prices.
 
2014-01-22 04:36:24 PM  

exvaxman: rickythepenguin
As memory serves, there is a lab in Tampa that produces gem quality diamonds, but very small. The cartel has spent millions developing a scanner to determine "mined" vs. Synthetic diamonds, as if anybody (outside of potential wives biatchy skanks) cares.


FTFY.
 
2014-01-22 04:37:19 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.

If you think diamonds are cheap try buying one.


Wholesale or retail?  The retail markup is 200%.
 
2014-01-22 04:45:12 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If you think diamonds are valuable, try selling one.


Well, if you were selling a blue diamond, you would be able to sell it for a fortune. Garden variety ones, not so much.
 
2014-01-22 04:51:32 PM  

uber humper: It's a sapphire!

You'd better stop and try to think.

A sapphire is just a blue ruby, but not to be confused with the song "Ruby Blue".

Carborundum comes in red, blue, yellow, green, purple, orangish-pinkish, and even clear. Only the red ones are called ruby. The other colours are all sapphires, IIRC, except the orange-pink ones which have a special name Padparadscha, which means lotus colour (pink lotus, obviously).

Diamonds come in clear, yellow, blue, green, red, black, brownish, etc.

There are five carats to the gram, by the way. This stone weighs a bit more than two pennies.
 
2014-01-22 04:58:22 PM  

Shadow Blasko: miniflea: Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?

Something wrong with a nice alexandrite?


Not unless you count me being unaware of it.  She likes amethyst, was happy with her ring, and we are happy with each other, which is more than can be said for some guys I know who paid ten times what I did for the rings they bought.
 
2014-01-22 04:58:25 PM  
Correction: corundum, not carborundum. Carborundum is the cheap nasty stuff.
 
2014-01-22 05:02:54 PM  

trappedspirit: Well if it isn't the captain of the glee club.  There's other lines of discussion going on here besides the blood diamond angle.  Ones I believe have been born out of

A) Never having been given a diamond
B) Giving a diamond and having it walk out of your life
C) Getting a diamond that is now sitting in a pawn shop


Those are all part of the scam. Women get raised like little magpies and told repeatedly that he doesn't love you if he doesn't drop an increasing fraction of his earnings into a bauble that they can show off to their friends. What are we at now 33% of a yearly salary?
 
2014-01-22 05:10:18 PM  

trappedspirit: Well if it isn't the captain of the glee club.  There's other lines of discussion going on here besides the blood diamond angle.  Ones I believe have been born out of


Also, the rocks that DeBeers digs out of the ground aren't "blood diamonds" but their workers are about two steps above slave labor.
 
2014-01-22 05:16:10 PM  
Wait now, if they're carbon-based, diamond chemistry is "organic," right?  Like the free-range soybeans at Whole Foods.

/no wonder they're both so farkin' expensive
 
2014-01-22 05:25:01 PM  
Talked my ex into lab-created alexandrite, not sure what's going to happen this time. Signs so far point to something geeky.

/gotta have my say in the engagement ring hipster thread
 
2014-01-22 05:38:22 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: On a related note, does anyone know big can they make artificial diamonds?


IIRC it was somewhere around 1/2 carat
 
2014-01-22 05:42:47 PM  

rickythepenguin: i remember joe rogan podcast recently, where he went to some top secret lab in Russia where they perfected artificial diamonds.  i guess real diamonds have microscopic flaws or chipped edges, etc., but this lab makes fake diamonds with zero flaws.

of course, bieng fake, no one wants them.  people would rather pay the DeBeers cartel X amount of money for a product inferior to a man-made diamond.  weird.


when we got engaged my wife insisted on a diamond, but we / she didn't go nuts.  i think .6 carat.  not sure.  not very big.  ran me about a $1000. no small amount mind you, but, not a 3 carat boulder.  now of course she's like, "diamonds are stupid, we should have just saved the money".  and she doesn't even wear it.  well, every now and then, on special ocasions but not much in day to day life.


My engagement ring has a simulated diamond. I thought it was ridiculous to pay for a real diamond when I could pretty much the exact same thing for a tenth of the price.

I designed the ring and setting myself and we had a lot of trouble finding a jeweler who would set the stone. Two of them bailed out when they found out it wasn't a real diamond (we just said we already had the stone). One place, the saleswoman started freaking out, saying "we can't have that in the store!!" and practically pushed us out the door. I kept asking why, she couldn't really explain was sort of saying they were afraid they would get it mixed up with a real diamond and wouldn't be able to tell the difference. One salesman asked why I would want something that wasn't dug out of the ground.

We eventually found a nice independent jeweler who said "no problem" and just asked that we be responsible for the stone, since he wasn't sure exactly what he was working with and didn't not how it would react to heat. We were fine with that.
 
2014-01-22 06:34:24 PM  

cgraves67:

"Conflict Diamonds" are not produced by De Beers. They are mined by rebels and unscrupulous African governments to subsidize their internal wars. By giving conflict diamonds a stigma, De Beers benefits because this tamps down on suppliers that don't work through De Beers.


Except that DeBeers has been repeatedly connected to wholesale purchase of conflict diamonds, and has provided weapons and funding to the warlords who control those mines in exchange for those warlords product. DeBeers has as much blood on it's hands as any Central West African butcher.
 
2014-01-22 06:34:44 PM  

JackieRabbit: Diamonds are indeed over-priced. One must know something about gem stones to appreciate just how unique diamonds really are. Most people know them by the crap stones sold in the average mall jewelry store and have never seen an internally flawless, pure white stone. When you look into them with a loupe, you see a kaleidoscope of color and perfect geometry. But they aren't the most expensive of stones. Pigeon blood rubies form Sri Lanka are far more expensive carat-for-carat than diamonds.


I'd much prefer a pigeon blood ruby, if only because a nicely colored stone is prettier. Garnet would do if it was a nice shade. I don't quite get the appeal of a colorless stone. But that is just me. I like something if it appeals to me, and not because someone tells me I'm supposed to like it or because it's something everyone else likes.

Rings from jewellers shops are overpriced, no shiat, so is just about everthing bought new. You wont get back what you paid for your car even if you only just drove it off the lot that morning. Or your tv if you sell it secondhand. Why would anyone expect that selling jewellery secondhand would get you anything remotely like what you paid for it? Better start looking into getting antiques if you want things to increase in value with age.
 
2014-01-22 06:52:33 PM  
Blue diamonds aren't rare. The size is what makes this rare. My wedding band has 10 small blue diamonds on it and we bought it for $400 in St. Thomas. The appraisal here estimated it at $2400 because our local people are dumb and assumed blue diamonds were more rare than they actually are.

And of course I don't wear either my engagement or wedding band anymore. After a year of scratching the white gold to hell I went and bought a $15 sterling silver band. The rings sit in our safety deposit box now. Such a waste of money.
 
2014-01-22 06:54:21 PM  
I gave my wife a pendant of 'Fine Pewter' and 'a genuine Faux pearl when I asked her to marry me.
 I masturbated that night....and the night after that....and the night after that....and the (sigh) night after that.
Just get her a diamond and get right to the vag
 
2014-01-22 07:04:58 PM  

Eerily Familiar: I am extremely disappointed in this thread.  I expected to see some references to Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Blue Carbuncle" and perhaps a few comebacks using the medical meaning of carbuncle.


Well, I came to this thread to ask if it was found inside a goose's crop.  Sorry I'm late.
 
2014-01-22 07:35:26 PM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

Amateurs.
 
2014-01-22 07:37:34 PM  

Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.


DeBeers and the other cartels of diamonds made diamonds popular the world over.
As many diamonds that are released for sale each year, there are many more stored for the future.
It is called a monopoly in other words.
 
2014-01-22 07:40:52 PM  

JackieRabbit: Diamonds are indeed over-priced. One must know something about gem stones to appreciate just how unique diamonds really are. Most people know them by the crap stones sold in the average mall jewelry store and have never seen an internally flawless, pure white stone. When you look into them with a loupe, you see a kaleidoscope of color and perfect geometry. But they aren't the most expensive of stones. Pigeon blood rubies form Sri Lanka are far more expensive carat-for-carat than diamonds.


I have. My fiancees engagement ring is a color d IF emerald cut.

Going emerald cut you want IF. Cololess was cause I have OCD.
 
2014-01-22 08:01:58 PM  

miniflea: Shadow Blasko: miniflea: Is this the thread where I pop in and say I bought my wife an amethyst engagement ring because her favorite color is purple?

Something wrong with a nice alexandrite?

Not unless you count me being unaware of it.  She likes amethyst, was happy with her ring, and we are happy with each other, which is more than can be said for some guys I know who paid ten times what I did for the rings they bought.


Amethyst is a strong, beautiful stone. You really can't go wrong with quartz.

Me, I'm more of a garnet person. Doesn't hurt that it's my birthstone. I really don't get the appeal of diamonds, but... what can you do.
 
2014-01-22 08:24:22 PM  
Hssssssssssss......
 
2014-01-22 09:19:41 PM  

bullsballs: Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.

DeBeers and the other cartels of diamonds made diamonds popular the world over.
As many diamonds that are released for sale each year, there are many more stored for the future.
It is called a monopoly in other words.



That's also why if you try to resell a diamond, you'll only get a pittance.  If diamonds really had any value, the resale market would be huge since diamonds don't age or wear.  But this would severely impact the market for selling 'new' diamonds, if not outright destroy it.  So most diamond jewelers won't even buy back diamonds, or, for the few that will, give you next to nothing.
 
2014-01-22 09:30:20 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: bullsballs: Buttknuckle: I would really like to learn the history of how diamonds came to be a "thing".  Sure, I can understand it if you are interested in stones or geology, but not for the average person.  Whoever was able to create this market and turn it into what it is today is a genius and one of the best businessmen the world has seen so far.

DeBeers and the other cartels of diamonds made diamonds popular the world over.
As many diamonds that are released for sale each year, there are many more stored for the future.
It is called a monopoly in other words.


That's also why if you try to resell a diamond, you'll only get a pittance.  If diamonds really had any value, the resale market would be huge since diamonds don't age or wear.  But this would severely impact the market for selling 'new' diamonds, if not outright destroy it.  So most diamond jewelers won't even buy back diamonds, or, for the few that will, give you next to nothing.


Except these guys are willing to give you 100% of the price as long as you put it towards another diamond.

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-upgrade-program

Apparently, the jewelry world is not too fond of blue nile...for other reasons as well.
 
2014-01-22 10:35:03 PM  
This is a good read.

I have been down into the Cullinan Mine. We were taken 1800+ meters (yes, meters) under ground and shown a fair bit of the operation, including watching a load of raw kimberlite get dumped from several large ore carts into the initial crusher. It's loud and very dusty. I have a couple of fist-sized pieces of the material in my rock collection. They aren't very pretty, but they are unique. I doubt many people who collect rocks & minerals would have it, since it breaks down quickly when exposed to the elements and most of it gets processed for its precious content.

And no, I haven't broken my pieces apart.
 
2014-01-22 10:43:50 PM  

relaxitsjustme: To The Escape Zeppelin!: On a related note, does anyone know big can they make artificial diamonds?

IIRC it was somewhere around 1/2 carat



The biggest for sale over at Gemesis.com is 1.34 carats.   Pretty respectable size these days.  I'm sure they can grow diamond wafers for electronics applications, too.

Diamonds do have resale value... basically if you look around you can probably get 40% below "rap" i.e. the Rapaport Report pricing sheet (based on various qualities of the diamond, the price per carat is listed).

The fact that you probably paid 6x that might not be very encouraging, but the value is not zero.
 
2014-01-22 10:49:43 PM  

Phins: My engagement ring has a simulated diamond


Phins: afraid they would get it mixed up with a real diamond and wouldn't be able to tell the difference.


Bullshiat. Utter bullshiat. A simulated diamond is not a diamond. A man-made diamond is a diamond. Any jeweler could tell the difference between a simulated and mined or man-made diamond. They manage to keep track of the different diamonds they have in stock, it's just farking stupid to think they could mix one of them up with a thing that is not a diamond.
 
2014-01-22 11:27:23 PM  

lindseyp: relaxitsjustme: To The Escape Zeppelin!: On a related note, does anyone know big can they make artificial diamonds?

IIRC it was somewhere around 1/2 carat


The biggest for sale over at Gemesis.com is 1.34 carats.   Pretty respectable size these days.  I'm sure they can grow diamond wafers for electronics applications, too.

Diamonds do have resale value... basically if you look around you can probably get 40% below "rap" i.e. the Rapaport Report pricing sheet (based on various qualities of the diamond, the price per carat is listed).

The fact that you probably paid 6x that might not be very encouraging, but the value is not zero.


Didn't know that. Interesting enough they're also more expensive.

Gemesis: Round 1.16 G VVS2 Ideal $9031
Blue Nile: Round 1.16 G VVS2 Ideal $8752

Couldn't find a diamond greater than G either.  You would think that in a lab setting every damn one would get E~D.
 
2014-01-22 11:38:25 PM  
www.realclear.com

I just want to smoke it.
 
2014-01-22 11:40:04 PM  
I bought my wife, for our 10, 1 carat center stone. For 15, 1.5. Then I decided they were getting too expensive for the bigger ones. was gonna go for  2 carat for 20 years, way too much money.
 
2014-01-23 03:36:04 AM  
Mankinds obsession with owning the rare and useless to appear a better mate and attain social standing is depressing.

jaredsurnamer.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-23 04:43:59 AM  

x1v16: Mankinds obsession with owning the rare and useless to appear a better mate and attain social standing is depressing.

[jaredsurnamer.files.wordpress.com image 384x288]


Naked apes with the minds of Corvids.
 
Displayed 112 of 112 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report