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(Yahoo)   Ukrainian Prime Minister says his police forces cannot be responsible for the shooting death of two protesters over the weekend since his forces aren't even carrying live ammo. Wow, way to let THAT cat out of the bag, Minister Blabbermouth   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 8
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2014-01-22 04:42:16 PM
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LewDux: s with the interests of big capital and empire."


Why would I ever doubt the veracity and integrity of an unabashed ultra-nationalist Russian? I mean, he made a movie, and you CANT LIE in movies. It's against the law, like on the internet.
2014-01-22 09:55:40 PM
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Daedalus27: Now looking at the government in power, they have been a bit hamfisted in the handling of things.  Is it really that big of a stretch that some of their forces could have fired live rounds (or less than lethal rounds in an improper manner)?


Yes, since a) the protesters were killed by live rounds, not less than lethal rounds "fired in an improper manner," and b) the government forces couldn't fire rounds they don't have.

/more likely they thought the fact that they survived less than lethal rounds from the scary government soldiers made them start thinking they were superheroes, and they tried to stop some crime in progress they ran across in he chaos
//only to discover the hard way that real bullets are a little more dangerous
///and the opposition jumped on their corpses as an opportunity to make false claims
2014-01-22 04:43:09 PM
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LewDux: OK, I'll start. How Romanian people suddenly started hating Ceaucescu

Unknown snipers played a pivotal role throughout the  so-called  « Arab Spring Revolutions »  yet, in spite of reports of their presence in the mainstream media, surprisingly little attention has been paid to  to their purpose and role.
The Russian investigative journalist Nikolay Starikov has written a book which discusses the role of unknown snipers in the destabilization of countries targeted for regime change by the United States and its allies.
..

In Susanne Brandstätter's documentary 'Checkmate: Strategy of a Revolution' aired on Arte television station some years ago,  Western intelligence officials revealed how  death squads were used to destabilize Romania and turn its people against the head of state Nicolai Ceaucescu. 
  
Brandstätter's film is a must see for anyone interested in how Western intelligence agencies, human rights groups and the corporate press collude in the systematic destruction of countries whose leadership conflicts with the interests of big capital and empire."


http://www.globalresearch.ca/unknown-snipers-and-western-backed-regi me -change/27904


Dude..globalresearch.ca?  Seriously, no.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca
2014-01-22 04:07:06 PM
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2014-01-22 03:41:18 PM
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Tatterdemalian: And of course, the first reaction from FARK isn't to wonder who actually did shoot the protesters with live ammo (the most likely culprit, opposition leaders playing the victim card, doesn't fit The Narrative), but to point out that non-live ammo can still be lethal.

/which is technically correct
//the best kind of correct



Is it a possibility that this was self-inflicted by protestors to drum up sympathy against the regime, maybe.  There is some benefit to the opposition, but the sides are pretty split between rural and urban and east and west that a couple protestors getting shot isn't going to move public support much.  And certainly no outside force will get involved so if they were to try and fake this and hope it isn't discovered or believed, I don't know how much they actually achieve over the risk of being discredited.

Now looking at the government in power, they have been a bit hamfisted in the handling of things.  Is it really that big of a stretch that some of their forces could have fired live rounds (or less than lethal rounds in an improper manner)?  Especially when Putin is pressuring the government to end this disruption so that they can continue on with the intergration of the Ukraine into the Russian customs union.

Which is more likely, one protestor shooting another for PR purposes or a riot police/military soldier getting a little too aggressive when having protestors beat or throw stuff at them?
2014-01-22 03:09:13 PM
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2014-01-22 02:38:18 PM
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hardinparamedic: Well, depending on how you use them, beanbags and rubber bullets can be pretty lethal too, Mister President.


As can Chinese made tear gas canisters.  They have a tendency to explode and send metal shrapnel out.

Also subby, its pretty normal when dealing with protests and riots to announce the police are not carrying live ammunition, and are only armed with non-lethal rounds.  It helps keep things from escalating from rocks and rubber bullets to real bullets.
2014-01-22 01:36:00 PM
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Well, depending on how you use them, beanbags and rubber bullets can be pretty lethal too, Mister President.
 
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