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2014-01-22 03:37:16 PM  
I was in college when White Wolf hit the height of their popularity. The sci/fi fantasy club went from a handful of women my freshman year to majority female. It seems like the trend has continued with a lot more female gamers then there used to be. It probably helps that the gaming community in general has cracked down on bad hygiene.
 
2014-01-22 03:37:34 PM  

ikanreed: DerAppie: [www.piccer.nl image 600x750]

Oh look, fictional representation that has no bearing on reality has no bearing on a specific part of reality.  Such staggering insight.


Which is why it is a fantasy creature.

/Who pissed in your cereal today?
 
2014-01-22 03:39:45 PM  
fc02.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-22 03:42:56 PM  
My friends and I were awkward adolescents who played AD&D and didn't date until our 20s.  We were terrified of girls in high school.  Each and every one of us.  Subby has a point.

We used to take the bus downtown to the main branch of my city's library, where we would comb through issues of Dragon Magazine and photocopy stuff that caught our eyes.

When I was young, I loved the D&D cartoon on Saturday morning TV, but in hindsight it could have been a LOT better.  Just like GI Joe and He Man.

The episode of X-Files, where they introduced the Lone Gunmen, was an absolute classic, obviously written by someone who loved D&D.  Mulder was investigating in a backstage area when he heard men plotting a criminal, violent action.  He drew his gun, closed in on the scumbags, peeked around a corner ... and here were three nerds playing Dungeons and Dragons.  One of them rolled the dice and said something like "c'mon baby, daddy needs a new Vorpal Sword."  As a college student who loved the X-Files, I lost my shiat.

Second Edition was easily the best.  Before they introduced the stupid softcover class guides (Fighter's Guide, Magic User's Guide etc.) which overpowered the players.  Every farking fighter ever after that was stupid not to take Ambidexterity and Two Weapon Fighting.  Those guides were written for the worst kind of Max-Min-ers.

First Edition will always hold a special place in my heart.
 
2014-01-22 03:43:33 PM  
And think of all the Chick tracts D&D gave us.
 
2014-01-22 03:46:39 PM  

Irving Maimway: Best D&D game ever.


I must watch this with sound later.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-22 03:55:58 PM  
I wrote:

There is also the possibility of your nerdy gamer friend having a sister.

I may need to explain the significance of this for younger Farkers.

Back in the 1980s it was possible for a house to have only one phone, a landline. Not only was it 100% legal to have more teenage girls than phones, girls did not even have to have phones in their rooms. Parents could, and often did, limit the amount of time each daughter could spend on the phone, or require all phone use to be in a common area.

For the teenage boy, that mean a real chance that you would meet your friend's sister and she would not be talking to somebody at the time.

Not that I ever got anywhere with a friend's sister.
 
2014-01-22 04:04:47 PM  
Here's where I plug Adventurer, Conqueror, King, from Autarch (http://autarch.co); a B/X (red, blue box) clone with a great domain-rulership system, a class & spell creation framework, and a mass combat system in a few weeks (Domains At War)

There's a ton of stuff out there mutilating 3X/d20's OGL to bring back the more classic stuff - OSRIC for 1E,  Swords & Wizardry for Original D&D, Delving Deeper, Basic Fantasy, Labyrinth Lord; new-old-school like the DCC RPG, LotFP, and a pretty vibrant community of the young and old.

So don't worry too much about 5E.
 
2014-01-22 04:13:51 PM  

Epicedion: Heliovdrake: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

Have you tried not playing D&D?

No really. Im 100% Serious... I grew up with D&D but there are other games out there, other systems.

I love Savage Worlds, because its fast and easy, but theres lots of others, other settings besides med. Fantasy.

Give it a swing grognard!

I haven't played actual D&D in quite awhile, really. Shadowrun, Pathfinder, hell, even Dungeon World, sure. Doesn't mean I won't comment on D&D when the subject comes up.

All I really want is a system that lives in a fantasy setting, allows a large degree of freedom in characters, doesn't lock into a numbers-escalation power curve, and (really important here) isn't incredibly stupid in the process. Dungeon World is decent, but lacks certain tasty crunchy tidbits that keep the system interesting.


you can ignore this if you have a better system, but I turned to using vampire dark ages and just removed the vampire part.

it's all one type of die, and most of the roles are invented by the storyteller anyways. it's always attribute and skill against an invented difficulty.  so, whatever you're trying to do, a little creativity will create the an effective rolling scheme.  however, the effectiveness of the scheme depends on the effectiveness of the storyteller.

advancement can be controlled by the storyteller very closely (exp is totally up to your discretion - also, you can put restrictions on what can be advanced and how quickly).   the game system itself rewards roleplaying more than mindless combat (for example, no xp for kills)

/ i moved away from d&d and games like that, because classes and levels are pretty silly, in my opinion.
 
2014-01-22 04:14:45 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]


I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?
 
2014-01-22 04:20:25 PM  
Just not with you.

www.motifake.com
 
2014-01-22 04:24:31 PM  

derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?


I found the thread after much digging once. Basically it was a thread about homeschooling and someone said that he was homeschooled and she was the one he married, thereby proving that he's not a mutant reject. Of course, if you post a pic of your wife on Fark, that's going to generate some commentary. Namely the teeth. THE NEVER ENDING TEETH.
 
2014-01-22 04:25:31 PM  

derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?


I actually watched that thread unfold.
The thread was about how home school was lacking, So farker came in and was going on about how he was home schooled and now was successful and attractive, so he posted a picture of his "wife" to prove it.
Well he was treated with the amount of respect that farkers treat everything else, none.
So the first shops made her teeth bigger and bigger, hence the horse and oats jokes.
 
2014-01-22 04:33:43 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

I found the thread after much digging once. Basically it was a thread about homeschooling and someone said that he was homeschooled and she was the one he married, thereby proving that he's not a mutant reject. Of course, if you post a pic of your wife on Fark, that's going to generate some commentary. Namely the teeth. THE NEVER ENDING TEETH.


Oh, that's it?  Thanks for the explanation.
 
2014-01-22 04:36:54 PM  

derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?


Dang it, I saved some Fark thread URLs, but now that I don't have TotalFark I can't confirm this is the correct one.

Any TFs want to confirm?   http://www.fark.com/comments/3229747/35717971#c35717971

Anyway, she might be available:   http://www.fark.com/comments/6313730/69939341#c69939341
 
2014-01-22 04:39:20 PM  
I'm about 20 years in. Didn't really pick up D&D until I was in college. The group with which I played was a socially well adjusted crew. Our wives and/or girlfriends all played from time to time. Even the dude that hadn't really dated was relatively well adjusted (affable, sociable, had a good job, just had a rough time meeting women).   Eventually,I had to give up the game because the the kid was on the way, another guy couldn't swing the round-trip anymore, another guy lost his job, etc., and the game ended.

Some of them went on to play with other groups. Wasn't until last year, when one of their new players came out to dinner with us, that I met the Socially Maladjusted Guy Who Was Never Near a Girl. That dude was on an entirely different plane of existence. It was off-putting, to say the least.

/Kid's almost three now
//We've been talking about getting the band back together for a couple of months, just a question of agreeing on a system and getting the schedules worked out.
 
2014-01-22 04:44:21 PM  

Parthenogenetic: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

Dang it, I saved some Fark thread URLs, but now that I don't have TotalFark I can't confirm this is the correct one.

Any TFs want to confirm?   http://www.fark.com/comments/3229747/35717971#c35717971

Anyway, she might be available:   http://www.fark.com/comments/6313730/69939341#c69939341


Oh, it was a TFark thread?  No wonder I've never seen the original thread it came from.  I mean, I like Fark and all, but pay for it?  That's crazy talk, man.
 
2014-01-22 04:51:04 PM  

Space Station Wagon: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

I actually watched that thread unfold.


I nearly split my sides watching that go down, still have the link in my profile (see Notes; Poor Bastard)
 
2014-01-22 04:52:58 PM  
I was into D&D before it was cool.
 
2014-01-22 04:57:26 PM  

ReverendJynxed: I was into D&D before it was cool.


So you're into D&D now?
 
2014-01-22 05:02:35 PM  

Parthenogenetic: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

Dang it, I saved some Fark thread URLs, but now that I don't have TotalFark I can't confirm this is the correct one.

Any TFs want to confirm?   http://www.fark.com/comments/3229747/35717971#c35717971

Anyway, she might be available:   http://www.fark.com/comments/6313730/69939341#c69939341


Thanks for the info.
 
2014-01-22 05:14:30 PM  

derio42: Oh, it was a TFark thread?  No wonder I've never seen the original thread it came from.  I mean, I like Fark and all, but pay for it?  That's crazy talk, man.


Some of us don't. If I have a TF tag on my nick, it's because I got sponsored.

There are a lot of "What's going on in he. . . OH LAWD!" reactions from newbies in TF though. Very entertaining to watch.
 
2014-01-22 05:14:47 PM  

derio42: Oh, it was a TFark thread? No wonder I've never seen the original thread it came from. I mean, I like Fark and all, but pay for it? That's crazy talk, man.


tmim16       2007-11-27 03:03:13 PM  
    
    
Yea, homeschooling really farked up my life. I'm 25, married, have a mortgage and a job as a web developer for a Fortune 100 company My parents really dropped the ball on that one...
And before you go all crazy about social interaction, this is the woman I married:
[picture of El Toothy]
Yes, homeschooling really hindered my ability to "fit in" with society... It's amazing how ignorant some of you farkers are!
 
2014-01-22 06:05:11 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-22 06:08:43 PM  

Tyrosine: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

I just finished play testing 5th. They took all the worst elements of 4th and combined it with the leftovers from 3.5 that never worked. My feeling is that they are trying to give D&D the feeling of an MMO, but in so doing they're ruining the game.


I'm pretty sure there's never been a more completely wrong statement ever said about a game or a game-related product. It's like you had a dream in which you were playing a 5th Edition D&D that has never and will never exist. Was there a unicorn or a talking keg of beer involved?

The playtest materials for D&D Next show a very numbers-light, narrative-based game that relies heavily on the imaginations of the players and the fiat of the GM. There's no pre-generated attacks/powers that you activate, you're not thinking in terms of "builds", etc. There's no "roles" anymore (Defender, Controller, etc.), which was what made 4E feel so MMO-ish to me. It feels to me as if they took 3.5 and reeled it back toward the narrative focus of 2E. Even relative to 3.5, they removed a lot of the positioning bullshiat that more or less required you to use miniatures. Our Next group still hasn't use miniatures, just an abstract map on a whiteboard to give a spatial idea of what the room looks like.

Don't like Next, that's one thing. But don't lie about it just to get people to be just as smarmy about it as you are.
 
2014-01-22 06:10:27 PM  

Odd Bird: Lsherm: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

You know they split up, right?  Just a sad story all around.

Please tell me it didn't have anything to do with that thread.
I still can't believe he posted her pic in a Fark thread.


He didn't say why, but he did say it wasn't because of that thread.
 
2014-01-22 06:39:00 PM  
I'm 33 and recently started playing for the first time.  If you've got a good group of people who don't take themselves too seriously, good god, this game can be a blast.  Our DM is an English physicist, I'm a high school English teacher playing a bard, our paladin is a big tall metalhead guy, hilarious bohemian WWOOFer girl is our druid, and a hot cosplaying seamstress is our half-elf thief.  It's been stupid fun so far, simply because the group has a great dynamic.  Replace any one of us, and the thing would become un-fun pretty fast.

Anyway, thanks, Gary!
 
2014-01-22 06:49:59 PM  
eisforevil.files.wordpress.com
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.
 
2014-01-22 06:51:28 PM  
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I know it's WOW, not table top, but the point remains the same.
 
2014-01-22 06:58:41 PM  

Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.


That's why there's Pathfinder.
 
2014-01-22 07:08:36 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

That's why there's Pathfinder.



This.
 
2014-01-22 07:23:44 PM  

HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.


Ditto
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2014-01-22 07:26:48 PM  
www.monsterwax.com
 
2014-01-22 07:30:27 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [www.monsterwax.com image 462x239]


Hehehe, when Fark decided to celebrate his birthday with a photoshop contest this popped up

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-22 08:12:02 PM  

Theaetetus: Judi Dench


Lol, come on man... REALLY?
 
2014-01-22 08:12:18 PM  

Flappyhead: TV's Vinnie: [www.monsterwax.com image 462x239]

Hehehe, when Fark decided to celebrate his birthday with a photoshop contest this popped up

[i.imgur.com image 470x1000]


I'm more fond of the "Darkseid" one, even though the "Be Eaten First" is a close second.

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2014-01-22 08:14:22 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: Tyrosine: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

I just finished play testing 5th. They took all the worst elements of 4th and combined it with the leftovers from 3.5 that never worked. My feeling is that they are trying to give D&D the feeling of an MMO, but in so doing they're ruining the game.

I'm pretty sure there's never been a more completely wrong statement ever said about a game or a game-related product. It's like you had a dream in which you were playing a 5th Edition D&D that has never and will never exist. Was there a unicorn or a talking keg of beer involved?

The playtest materials for D&D Next show a very numbers-light, narrative-based game that relies heavily on the imaginations of the players and the fiat of the GM. There's no pre-generated attacks/powers that you activate, you're not thinking in terms of "builds", etc. There's no "roles" anymore (Defender, Controller, etc.), which was what made 4E feel so MMO-ish to me. It feels to me as if they took 3.5 and reeled it back toward the narrative focus of 2E. Even relative to 3.5, they removed a lot of the positioning bullshiat that more or less required you to use miniatures. Our Next group still hasn't use miniatures, just an abstract map on a whiteboard to give a spatial idea of what the room looks like.

Don't like Next, that's one thing. But don't lie about it just to get people to be just as smarmy about it as you are.


Thank god. I I see no joy in a pen and paper MMO.
 
2014-01-22 08:36:29 PM  
Girls played D&D with us when I was in high school. Of course in the early 80s it was assumed if you were playing D&D you were having bisexual satanic drug orgies.
 
2014-01-22 08:41:03 PM  

Ghastly: Of course in the early 80s it was assumed if you were playing D&D you were having bisexual satanic drug orgies.



Late 80's too, I was pulled out of class one day because some anonymous person (my girlfriends parents) had called the Chief of Police (really) to say that I was going to be engaged in a D&D "ritual" that weekend with my friends and drugs and sex may be involved.

I told the nice policeman that at the time, we were actually playing Palladium's Heroes Unlimited and invited him to join us. No drugs or sex (well, no sex during gametime).
 
2014-01-22 08:51:51 PM  

Ghastly: Girls played D&D with us when I was in high school. Of course in the early 80s it was assumed if you were playing D&D you were having bisexual satanic drug orgies.


Lucky bastard.  When I was in high school that myth had long since cleared up.  Farking goths took all the freaky chicks(although I managed to snag one for a few months).
 
2014-01-22 08:57:26 PM  

Odd Bird: Space Station Wagon: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

I actually watched that thread unfold.

I nearly split my sides watching that go down, still have the link in my profile (see Notes; Poor Bastard)


The homeschooled farker had handle "

PC LOAD LETTER: derio42: Oh, it was a TFark thread? No wonder I've never seen the original thread it came from. I mean, I like Fark and all, but pay for it? That's crazy talk, man.

tmim16       2007-11-27 03:03:13 PM


Yea, homeschooling really farked up my life. I'm 25, married, have a mortgage and a job as a web developer for a Fortune 100 company My parents really dropped the ball on that one...
And before you go all crazy about social interaction, this is the woman I married:
[picture of El Toothy]
Yes, homeschooling really hindered my ability to "fit in" with society... It's amazing how ignorant some of you farkers are!


tmim16".

Classic.  I was there for that thread and saved some of the shops.

img.fark.net


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-22 09:21:18 PM  

EbolaNYC: Theaetetus: Judi Dench

Lol, come on man... REALLY?


Blame Vin Diesel. Yeah, Chronicles of Riddick sort of got some disparate folks together...
 
2014-01-22 09:23:21 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

Quit crying. Just go over to White Wolf where you belong.


Oh hell no you did not.
 
2014-01-22 09:24:39 PM  

ippolit: I was there for that thread and saved some of the shops


Nice work!
 
2014-01-22 10:11:24 PM  

HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.


*snicker* That's all the more hysterical when you realize Vin Diesel's gay.
 
2014-01-22 10:13:52 PM  

Boojum2k: HeartBurnKid: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

That's why there's Pathfinder.


This.


Except Pathfinder isn't all that good. It's better than 4 by a long shot, and in many ways better than 3/3.5, but it's got an explosive power curve and shoves complexity in where you don't need complexity.

I'd really love to see a "fixed" 2E, in a way, just one where all the classes are useful and the systems aren't back-ass retarded.
 
2014-01-22 10:17:48 PM  

Epicedion: Except Pathfinder isn't all that good.



Pfft. Speak for yourself, I have a dedicated group who loves switching up games, but they've been obsessive about finishing Rise of the Runelords since we started a year ago.

I did like 2nd edition though.
 
2014-01-22 10:18:42 PM  

Peki: HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.

*snicker* That's all the more hysterical when you realize Vin Diesel's gay.


Crap. I retract this post. I swear to the universe I remember reading that. . .
 
2014-01-22 10:22:03 PM  

Peki: Peki: HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.

*snicker* That's all the more hysterical when you realize Vin Diesel's gay.

Crap. I retract this post. I swear to the universe I remember reading that. . .


I'm sure you did.  Everybody in Hollywood is gay or bi, depending on who you ask.
 
2014-01-22 10:22:35 PM  

Boojum2k: Epicedion: Except Pathfinder isn't all that good.


Pfft. Speak for yourself, I have a dedicated group who loves switching up games, but they've been obsessive about finishing Rise of the Runelords since we started a year ago.

I did like 2nd edition though.


I did speak for myself. That's why my name is right there above the words.

I'll definitely play Pathfinder and enjoy it, but it lacks a certain air that earlier editions had (probably due to that pesky power curve). Oh, and I really have started to hate the infinite pool of Feats.
 
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