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2014-01-22 11:31:15 AM
Hey Subs, when you treat women like people, who enjoy the same hobbies as dudes you'll find that D&D and indeed any tabletop RPG is a great way to meet women outside of a bar.

/My fiancee is a gamer
//a hot German Gamer girl
///she got me into Shadowrun
////Cybernetics 4 LIFE.
 
2014-01-22 11:33:24 AM
 
2014-01-22 12:15:33 PM
Kari Byron and Dame Judi Dench both play D&D, Subs.
 
2014-01-22 12:18:02 PM

Heliovdrake: Hey Subs, when you treat women like people, who enjoy the same hobbies as dudes you'll find that D&D and indeed any tabletop RPG is a great way to meet women outside of a bar.

/My fiancee is a gamer
//a hot German Gamer girl
///she got me into Shadowrun
////Cybernetics 4 LIFE.


By and large female RPGers tend to be bi and large
 
2014-01-22 12:35:32 PM
 
2014-01-22 01:30:30 PM
Maybe, but the old Monster Manuals had tons of boobie pictures in them. So there was that.
 
2014-01-22 01:33:36 PM
The hottest girl I ever got with was a skinny goth and a D&D player.
 
2014-01-22 01:51:44 PM

One Bad Apple: By and large female RPGers tend to be bi and large


Data or just your anecdote?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-22 01:58:35 PM
My girlfriend in high school played, but we never played together. There is also the possibility of your nerdy gamer friend having a sister.
 
2014-01-22 02:05:21 PM
I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-22 02:27:21 PM
Oddly enough, when I was in college, one of my regular games included my girlfriend, her best friend, and three other gals, plus one of their boyfriends, and yes, one "typical" gamer, who wound up dating one of the gals from the game. When I was in my late twenties, the ratio was about dead even men to women in the games we ran from house to house. Mind you, I ran in circles with theater folk, and they are often geekier than a lot of folks imagine, and treat the games like acting exercises, so they get very involved in characters, but it's fun.

I got into gaming when the Red and Blue D&D sets were out, about '79 or '80. It was a lot of fun, and in high school, the gaming groups were split about 50-50. Maybe Smitty is just running really sh*tty games...
 
2014-01-22 02:31:36 PM

hubiestubert: Oddly enough, when I was in college, one of my regular games included my girlfriend, her best friend, and three other gals, plus one of their boyfriends, and yes, one "typical" gamer, who wound up dating one of the gals from the game. When I was in my late twenties, the ratio was about dead even men to women in the games we ran from house to house. Mind you, I ran in circles with theater folk, and they are often geekier than a lot of folks imagine, and treat the games like acting exercises, so they get very involved in characters, but it's fun.

I got into gaming when the Red and Blue D&D sets were out, about '79 or '80. It was a lot of fun, and in high school, the gaming groups were split about 50-50. Maybe Smitty is just running really sh*tty games...




That was a lot different in my neck of the woods. Even in the late eighties there were very few females in my college who played D&D. Of corse, I went to SIUC, which had a horrible men to women ratio.
 
2014-01-22 02:31:37 PM
img707.imageshack.us
 
2014-01-22 02:35:01 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]


As she was home schooled her adjusted is open to question
 
2014-01-22 02:40:05 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]


You know they split up, right?  Just a sad story all around.
 
2014-01-22 02:41:41 PM

Lsherm: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

You know they split up, right?  Just a sad story all around.


You serious? Wow, that's messed up.
 
2014-01-22 02:41:43 PM
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2014-01-22 02:42:12 PM
I met a girl playing D&D who waz HOT

On paper

/18 charisma
 
2014-01-22 02:42:33 PM
Not if you count fat girls subby!
 
2014-01-22 02:42:56 PM

Darth_Lukecash: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, when I was in college, one of my regular games included my girlfriend, her best friend, and three other gals, plus one of their boyfriends, and yes, one "typical" gamer, who wound up dating one of the gals from the game. When I was in my late twenties, the ratio was about dead even men to women in the games we ran from house to house. Mind you, I ran in circles with theater folk, and they are often geekier than a lot of folks imagine, and treat the games like acting exercises, so they get very involved in characters, but it's fun.

I got into gaming when the Red and Blue D&D sets were out, about '79 or '80. It was a lot of fun, and in high school, the gaming groups were split about 50-50. Maybe Smitty is just running really sh*tty games...

That was a lot different in my neck of the woods. Even in the late eighties there were very few females in my college who played D&D. Of corse, I went to SIUC, which had a horrible men to women ratio.


In fairness, UMaine Farmington had about a 6 to 1 ration of women to men by the time I left. It was about 9 to 1 when I started. Teaching schools FTW...
 
2014-01-22 02:47:06 PM
My future wife and I went to pick up our reserved copies of the 3.5 corebooks on one of our first dates. We'd both reserved them separately before we met each other. It was a good day.

/I put on my robe and wizard hat
 
2014-01-22 02:47:40 PM
Old stereotype is old, and was prob never true to begin with. I've been in many D&D groups over the past twenty years, and almost everyone I gamed with had no problem achieving and/or maintaining romantic relationships with other people.
 
2014-01-22 02:48:27 PM
I never had any interest in the tabletop game, but I like the CRPGs and I just beat Baldur's Gate for the first time on Monday. Mind you, I've had it since it was released... just never bothered to play the whole through before.
 
2014-01-22 02:48:52 PM

Facetious_Speciest: My future wife and I went to pick up our reserved copies of the 3.5 corebooks on one of our first dates. We'd both reserved them separately before we met each other. It was a good day.

/I put on my robe and wizard hat


Awwwwwww!
 
2014-01-22 02:54:22 PM
I was old by the time I ever heard of D&D.  I think I would have like it and kind of wish I had had a chance to play.

What happened to the home-schooled couple?

/yes, I am nosy.
 
2014-01-22 02:55:29 PM

Irving Maimway: Best D&D game ever.


im in tears. thx
 
2014-01-22 02:57:58 PM
I'm 32 and have been playing with the same group for roughly 4 years now. Only two of the guys aren't married, and it is by far the most well adjusted group of mature individuals I have ever gamed with.

By mature, I mean responsible adults. They do constantly whip out the penis jokes.

We have, however, pretty much given up on DnD except 3rd party stuff. We spent a few months playing some Torchbearer and are currently in a very cool Star Wars campaign.

We'll be taking a short hiatus because one of the guys is getting married in the beginning of March, and he is our DM. While he's out we're going to each pick a different system and run a one shot. Should be pretty fun. I am also excited because a few people will be bringing home-built systems to the table, which should be interesting!
 
2014-01-22 02:58:13 PM
I am more into Bunkers and Badasses these days.
 
2014-01-22 03:01:20 PM

INeedAName: I'm 32 and have been playing with the same group for roughly 4 years now. Only two of the guys aren't married, and it is by far the most well adjusted group of mature individuals I have ever gamed with.

By mature, I mean responsible adults. They do constantly whip out the penis jokes.

We have, however, pretty much given up on DnD except 3rd party stuff. We spent a few months playing some Torchbearer and are currently in a very cool Star Wars campaign.

We'll be taking a short hiatus because one of the guys is getting married in the beginning of March, and he is our DM. While he's out we're going to each pick a different system and run a one shot. Should be pretty fun. I am also excited because a few people will be bringing home-built systems to the table, which should be interesting!


i'm 32 and i can't find a group of well adjusted people to game with. i can find extremely maladjusted people who I would prefer not allow in my house... so, i tried to teach friends to play.  did not work.  now they think i'm the maladjusted one.

/ married.  the wife has told me that, originally, she thought that my playing rpgs could be a deal breaker.  then i made her play an rpg, and she liked it.
 
2014-01-22 03:01:37 PM
Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.
 
2014-01-22 03:05:45 PM

Fat Old Broad: I was old by the time I ever heard of D&D.  I think I would have like it and kind of wish I had had a chance to play.

What happened to the home-schooled couple?

/yes, I am nosy.


Well, he did share her picture with farkers...
 
2014-01-22 03:06:07 PM

Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.


Quit crying. Just go over to White Wolf where you belong.
 
2014-01-22 03:06:14 PM

One Bad Apple: By and large female RPGers tend to be bi and large


Meh. Big girls try harder, and gamer guys are generally the only ones who aren't intimidated by girls who can be as masculine as they are.

/bi, formerly large gamer grrl
 
2014-01-22 03:07:08 PM

Lsherm: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

You know they split up, right?  Just a sad story all around.


Please tell me it didn't have anything to do with that thread.
I still can't believe he posted her pic in a Fark thread.
 
2014-01-22 03:07:10 PM

Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.


They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.
 
2014-01-22 03:07:46 PM

Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.


EBay can help you with all your second edition needs.
 
2014-01-22 03:18:08 PM

pute kisses like a man: INeedAName: I'm 32 and have been playing with the same group for roughly 4 years now. Only two of the guys aren't married, and it is by far the most well adjusted group of mature individuals I have ever gamed with.

By mature, I mean responsible adults. They do constantly whip out the penis jokes.

We have, however, pretty much given up on DnD except 3rd party stuff. We spent a few months playing some Torchbearer and are currently in a very cool Star Wars campaign.

We'll be taking a short hiatus because one of the guys is getting married in the beginning of March, and he is our DM. While he's out we're going to each pick a different system and run a one shot. Should be pretty fun. I am also excited because a few people will be bringing home-built systems to the table, which should be interesting!

i'm 32 and i can't find a group of well adjusted people to game with. i can find extremely maladjusted people who I would prefer not allow in my house... so, i tried to teach friends to play.  did not work.  now they think i'm the maladjusted one.

/ married.  the wife has told me that, originally, she thought that my playing rpgs could be a deal breaker.  then i made her play an rpg, and she liked it.


My wife has played a few times, but it's not her favorite. She's an A-type personality and needs more structure. She will play games like Descent and the DnD board games though.

I think I originally found people through http://www.rpggamefind.com/ . And yes, I did meet a few very maladjusted people. As a group, we have just stopped inviting them to things. Or I've stopped going to games they host.

If you're around DC/Baltimore, let me know.
 
2014-01-22 03:18:55 PM

ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.


Have you tried not playing D&D?

No really. Im 100% Serious... I grew up with D&D but there are other games out there, other systems.

I love Savage Worlds, because its fast and easy, but theres lots of others, other settings besides med. Fantasy.

Give it a swing grognard!
 
2014-01-22 03:20:49 PM

Heliovdrake: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

Have you tried not playing D&D?

No really. Im 100% Serious... I grew up with D&D but there are other games out there, other systems.

I love Savage Worlds, because its fast and easy, but theres lots of others, other settings besides med. Fantasy.

Give it a swing grognard!


Um, of course I have.  Did you not see me mention "other RPGS" up in there.  I've played plenty.
 
2014-01-22 03:22:25 PM
www.piccer.nl
 
2014-01-22 03:23:39 PM

Fano: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

EBay can help you with all your second edition needs.



Don't be ridiculous. There are pdf files everywhere!
 
2014-01-22 03:25:49 PM

DerAppie: [www.piccer.nl image 600x750]


Oh look, fictional representation that has no bearing on reality has no bearing on a specific part of reality.  Such staggering insight.
 
2014-01-22 03:26:22 PM
Meh, I've been playing D&D for 33 year years and I'm married with two kids. In my current group we have 8 people, all of which are either married or have girlfriends. We sent the 8th guy a Fleshlight for Christmas, so even he has a girlfriend of sorts.....
 
2014-01-22 03:28:08 PM
The Fark Pathfinder group has a female.  Or two...we're not sure about her husband yet (Hi Ian!)

hubiestubert:In fairness, UMaine Farmington had about a 6 to 1 ration of women to men by the time I left. It was about 9 to 1 when I started. Teaching schools FTW...

I dated a girl who went to UMF and went to the game convention up there.  I was impressed by the # of female gamers...didn't know the whole school was like that.
 
2014-01-22 03:29:25 PM

Fano: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

EBay can help you with all your second3.5 edition needs.


If you're going to play 2nd ed you might as well just switch to Rolemaster.
 
2014-01-22 03:32:45 PM

Heliovdrake: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

Have you tried not playing D&D?

No really. Im 100% Serious... I grew up with D&D but there are other games out there, other systems.

I love Savage Worlds, because its fast and easy, but theres lots of others, other settings besides med. Fantasy.

Give it a swing grognard!


I haven't played actual D&D in quite awhile, really. Shadowrun, Pathfinder, hell, even Dungeon World, sure. Doesn't mean I won't comment on D&D when the subject comes up.

All I really want is a system that lives in a fantasy setting, allows a large degree of freedom in characters, doesn't lock into a numbers-escalation power curve, and (really important here) isn't incredibly stupid in the process. Dungeon World is decent, but lacks certain tasty crunchy tidbits that keep the system interesting.
 
2014-01-22 03:33:13 PM

ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.


I just finished play testing 5th. They took all the worst elements of 4th and combined it with the leftovers from 3.5 that never worked. My feeling is that they are trying to give D&D the feeling of an MMO, but in so doing they're ruining the game.
 
2014-01-22 03:34:52 PM
I should also say that the explicit purpose of Dungeon World is to keep crunchiness out. I really like its take on adventure-building and world-building, though.
 
2014-01-22 03:35:06 PM

ikanreed: Heliovdrake: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

Have you tried not playing D&D?

No really. Im 100% Serious... I grew up with D&D but there are other games out there, other systems.

I love Savage Worlds, because its fast and easy, but theres lots of others, other settings besides med. Fantasy.

Give it a swing grognard!

Um, of course I have.  Did you not see me mention "other RPGS" up in there.  I've played plenty.


My apologies.
 
2014-01-22 03:36:36 PM

Tyrosine: I just finished play testing 5th. They took all the worst elements of 4th and combined it with the leftovers from 3.5 that never worked. My feeling is that they are trying to give D&D the feeling of an MMO, but in so doing they're ruining the game.


Really? I thought it felt more like they were trying to scale back the numbers creep, and were skimming some of the better elements of 2nd edition.
 
2014-01-22 03:37:16 PM
I was in college when White Wolf hit the height of their popularity. The sci/fi fantasy club went from a handful of women my freshman year to majority female. It seems like the trend has continued with a lot more female gamers then there used to be. It probably helps that the gaming community in general has cracked down on bad hygiene.
 
2014-01-22 03:37:34 PM

ikanreed: DerAppie: [www.piccer.nl image 600x750]

Oh look, fictional representation that has no bearing on reality has no bearing on a specific part of reality.  Such staggering insight.


Which is why it is a fantasy creature.

/Who pissed in your cereal today?
 
2014-01-22 03:39:45 PM
fc02.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-22 03:42:56 PM
My friends and I were awkward adolescents who played AD&D and didn't date until our 20s.  We were terrified of girls in high school.  Each and every one of us.  Subby has a point.

We used to take the bus downtown to the main branch of my city's library, where we would comb through issues of Dragon Magazine and photocopy stuff that caught our eyes.

When I was young, I loved the D&D cartoon on Saturday morning TV, but in hindsight it could have been a LOT better.  Just like GI Joe and He Man.

The episode of X-Files, where they introduced the Lone Gunmen, was an absolute classic, obviously written by someone who loved D&D.  Mulder was investigating in a backstage area when he heard men plotting a criminal, violent action.  He drew his gun, closed in on the scumbags, peeked around a corner ... and here were three nerds playing Dungeons and Dragons.  One of them rolled the dice and said something like "c'mon baby, daddy needs a new Vorpal Sword."  As a college student who loved the X-Files, I lost my shiat.

Second Edition was easily the best.  Before they introduced the stupid softcover class guides (Fighter's Guide, Magic User's Guide etc.) which overpowered the players.  Every farking fighter ever after that was stupid not to take Ambidexterity and Two Weapon Fighting.  Those guides were written for the worst kind of Max-Min-ers.

First Edition will always hold a special place in my heart.
 
2014-01-22 03:43:33 PM
And think of all the Chick tracts D&D gave us.
 
2014-01-22 03:46:39 PM

Irving Maimway: Best D&D game ever.


I must watch this with sound later.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-22 03:55:58 PM
I wrote:

There is also the possibility of your nerdy gamer friend having a sister.

I may need to explain the significance of this for younger Farkers.

Back in the 1980s it was possible for a house to have only one phone, a landline. Not only was it 100% legal to have more teenage girls than phones, girls did not even have to have phones in their rooms. Parents could, and often did, limit the amount of time each daughter could spend on the phone, or require all phone use to be in a common area.

For the teenage boy, that mean a real chance that you would meet your friend's sister and she would not be talking to somebody at the time.

Not that I ever got anywhere with a friend's sister.
 
2014-01-22 04:04:47 PM
Here's where I plug Adventurer, Conqueror, King, from Autarch (http://autarch.co); a B/X (red, blue box) clone with a great domain-rulership system, a class & spell creation framework, and a mass combat system in a few weeks (Domains At War)

There's a ton of stuff out there mutilating 3X/d20's OGL to bring back the more classic stuff - OSRIC for 1E,  Swords & Wizardry for Original D&D, Delving Deeper, Basic Fantasy, Labyrinth Lord; new-old-school like the DCC RPG, LotFP, and a pretty vibrant community of the young and old.

So don't worry too much about 5E.
 
2014-01-22 04:13:51 PM

Epicedion: Heliovdrake: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

Have you tried not playing D&D?

No really. Im 100% Serious... I grew up with D&D but there are other games out there, other systems.

I love Savage Worlds, because its fast and easy, but theres lots of others, other settings besides med. Fantasy.

Give it a swing grognard!

I haven't played actual D&D in quite awhile, really. Shadowrun, Pathfinder, hell, even Dungeon World, sure. Doesn't mean I won't comment on D&D when the subject comes up.

All I really want is a system that lives in a fantasy setting, allows a large degree of freedom in characters, doesn't lock into a numbers-escalation power curve, and (really important here) isn't incredibly stupid in the process. Dungeon World is decent, but lacks certain tasty crunchy tidbits that keep the system interesting.


you can ignore this if you have a better system, but I turned to using vampire dark ages and just removed the vampire part.

it's all one type of die, and most of the roles are invented by the storyteller anyways. it's always attribute and skill against an invented difficulty.  so, whatever you're trying to do, a little creativity will create the an effective rolling scheme.  however, the effectiveness of the scheme depends on the effectiveness of the storyteller.

advancement can be controlled by the storyteller very closely (exp is totally up to your discretion - also, you can put restrictions on what can be advanced and how quickly).   the game system itself rewards roleplaying more than mindless combat (for example, no xp for kills)

/ i moved away from d&d and games like that, because classes and levels are pretty silly, in my opinion.
 
2014-01-22 04:14:45 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]


I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?
 
2014-01-22 04:20:25 PM
Just not with you.

www.motifake.com
 
2014-01-22 04:24:31 PM

derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?


I found the thread after much digging once. Basically it was a thread about homeschooling and someone said that he was homeschooled and she was the one he married, thereby proving that he's not a mutant reject. Of course, if you post a pic of your wife on Fark, that's going to generate some commentary. Namely the teeth. THE NEVER ENDING TEETH.
 
2014-01-22 04:25:31 PM

derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?


I actually watched that thread unfold.
The thread was about how home school was lacking, So farker came in and was going on about how he was home schooled and now was successful and attractive, so he posted a picture of his "wife" to prove it.
Well he was treated with the amount of respect that farkers treat everything else, none.
So the first shops made her teeth bigger and bigger, hence the horse and oats jokes.
 
2014-01-22 04:33:43 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

I found the thread after much digging once. Basically it was a thread about homeschooling and someone said that he was homeschooled and she was the one he married, thereby proving that he's not a mutant reject. Of course, if you post a pic of your wife on Fark, that's going to generate some commentary. Namely the teeth. THE NEVER ENDING TEETH.


Oh, that's it?  Thanks for the explanation.
 
2014-01-22 04:36:54 PM

derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?


Dang it, I saved some Fark thread URLs, but now that I don't have TotalFark I can't confirm this is the correct one.

Any TFs want to confirm?   http://www.fark.com/comments/3229747/35717971#c35717971

Anyway, she might be available:   http://www.fark.com/comments/6313730/69939341#c69939341
 
2014-01-22 04:39:20 PM
I'm about 20 years in. Didn't really pick up D&D until I was in college. The group with which I played was a socially well adjusted crew. Our wives and/or girlfriends all played from time to time. Even the dude that hadn't really dated was relatively well adjusted (affable, sociable, had a good job, just had a rough time meeting women).   Eventually,I had to give up the game because the the kid was on the way, another guy couldn't swing the round-trip anymore, another guy lost his job, etc., and the game ended.

Some of them went on to play with other groups. Wasn't until last year, when one of their new players came out to dinner with us, that I met the Socially Maladjusted Guy Who Was Never Near a Girl. That dude was on an entirely different plane of existence. It was off-putting, to say the least.

/Kid's almost three now
//We've been talking about getting the band back together for a couple of months, just a question of agreeing on a system and getting the schedules worked out.
 
2014-01-22 04:44:21 PM

Parthenogenetic: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

Dang it, I saved some Fark thread URLs, but now that I don't have TotalFark I can't confirm this is the correct one.

Any TFs want to confirm?   http://www.fark.com/comments/3229747/35717971#c35717971

Anyway, she might be available:   http://www.fark.com/comments/6313730/69939341#c69939341


Oh, it was a TFark thread?  No wonder I've never seen the original thread it came from.  I mean, I like Fark and all, but pay for it?  That's crazy talk, man.
 
2014-01-22 04:51:04 PM

Space Station Wagon: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

I actually watched that thread unfold.


I nearly split my sides watching that go down, still have the link in my profile (see Notes; Poor Bastard)
 
2014-01-22 04:52:58 PM
I was into D&D before it was cool.
 
2014-01-22 04:57:26 PM

ReverendJynxed: I was into D&D before it was cool.


So you're into D&D now?
 
2014-01-22 05:02:35 PM

Parthenogenetic: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

Dang it, I saved some Fark thread URLs, but now that I don't have TotalFark I can't confirm this is the correct one.

Any TFs want to confirm?   http://www.fark.com/comments/3229747/35717971#c35717971

Anyway, she might be available:   http://www.fark.com/comments/6313730/69939341#c69939341


Thanks for the info.
 
2014-01-22 05:14:30 PM

derio42: Oh, it was a TFark thread?  No wonder I've never seen the original thread it came from.  I mean, I like Fark and all, but pay for it?  That's crazy talk, man.


Some of us don't. If I have a TF tag on my nick, it's because I got sponsored.

There are a lot of "What's going on in he. . . OH LAWD!" reactions from newbies in TF though. Very entertaining to watch.
 
2014-01-22 05:14:47 PM

derio42: Oh, it was a TFark thread? No wonder I've never seen the original thread it came from. I mean, I like Fark and all, but pay for it? That's crazy talk, man.


tmim16       2007-11-27 03:03:13 PM  
    
    
Yea, homeschooling really farked up my life. I'm 25, married, have a mortgage and a job as a web developer for a Fortune 100 company My parents really dropped the ball on that one...
And before you go all crazy about social interaction, this is the woman I married:
[picture of El Toothy]
Yes, homeschooling really hindered my ability to "fit in" with society... It's amazing how ignorant some of you farkers are!
 
2014-01-22 06:05:11 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-22 06:08:43 PM

Tyrosine: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

I just finished play testing 5th. They took all the worst elements of 4th and combined it with the leftovers from 3.5 that never worked. My feeling is that they are trying to give D&D the feeling of an MMO, but in so doing they're ruining the game.


I'm pretty sure there's never been a more completely wrong statement ever said about a game or a game-related product. It's like you had a dream in which you were playing a 5th Edition D&D that has never and will never exist. Was there a unicorn or a talking keg of beer involved?

The playtest materials for D&D Next show a very numbers-light, narrative-based game that relies heavily on the imaginations of the players and the fiat of the GM. There's no pre-generated attacks/powers that you activate, you're not thinking in terms of "builds", etc. There's no "roles" anymore (Defender, Controller, etc.), which was what made 4E feel so MMO-ish to me. It feels to me as if they took 3.5 and reeled it back toward the narrative focus of 2E. Even relative to 3.5, they removed a lot of the positioning bullshiat that more or less required you to use miniatures. Our Next group still hasn't use miniatures, just an abstract map on a whiteboard to give a spatial idea of what the room looks like.

Don't like Next, that's one thing. But don't lie about it just to get people to be just as smarmy about it as you are.
 
2014-01-22 06:10:27 PM

Odd Bird: Lsherm: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

You know they split up, right?  Just a sad story all around.

Please tell me it didn't have anything to do with that thread.
I still can't believe he posted her pic in a Fark thread.


He didn't say why, but he did say it wasn't because of that thread.
 
2014-01-22 06:39:00 PM
I'm 33 and recently started playing for the first time.  If you've got a good group of people who don't take themselves too seriously, good god, this game can be a blast.  Our DM is an English physicist, I'm a high school English teacher playing a bard, our paladin is a big tall metalhead guy, hilarious bohemian WWOOFer girl is our druid, and a hot cosplaying seamstress is our half-elf thief.  It's been stupid fun so far, simply because the group has a great dynamic.  Replace any one of us, and the thing would become un-fun pretty fast.

Anyway, thanks, Gary!
 
2014-01-22 06:49:59 PM
eisforevil.files.wordpress.com
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.
 
2014-01-22 06:51:28 PM
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I know it's WOW, not table top, but the point remains the same.
 
2014-01-22 06:58:41 PM

Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.


That's why there's Pathfinder.
 
2014-01-22 07:08:36 PM

HeartBurnKid: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

That's why there's Pathfinder.



This.
 
2014-01-22 07:23:44 PM

HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.


Ditto
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2014-01-22 07:26:48 PM
www.monsterwax.com
 
2014-01-22 07:30:27 PM

TV's Vinnie: [www.monsterwax.com image 462x239]


Hehehe, when Fark decided to celebrate his birthday with a photoshop contest this popped up

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-22 08:12:02 PM

Theaetetus: Judi Dench


Lol, come on man... REALLY?
 
2014-01-22 08:12:18 PM

Flappyhead: TV's Vinnie: [www.monsterwax.com image 462x239]

Hehehe, when Fark decided to celebrate his birthday with a photoshop contest this popped up

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I'm more fond of the "Darkseid" one, even though the "Be Eaten First" is a close second.

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2014-01-22 08:14:22 PM

ExcedrinHeadache: Tyrosine: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

I just finished play testing 5th. They took all the worst elements of 4th and combined it with the leftovers from 3.5 that never worked. My feeling is that they are trying to give D&D the feeling of an MMO, but in so doing they're ruining the game.

I'm pretty sure there's never been a more completely wrong statement ever said about a game or a game-related product. It's like you had a dream in which you were playing a 5th Edition D&D that has never and will never exist. Was there a unicorn or a talking keg of beer involved?

The playtest materials for D&D Next show a very numbers-light, narrative-based game that relies heavily on the imaginations of the players and the fiat of the GM. There's no pre-generated attacks/powers that you activate, you're not thinking in terms of "builds", etc. There's no "roles" anymore (Defender, Controller, etc.), which was what made 4E feel so MMO-ish to me. It feels to me as if they took 3.5 and reeled it back toward the narrative focus of 2E. Even relative to 3.5, they removed a lot of the positioning bullshiat that more or less required you to use miniatures. Our Next group still hasn't use miniatures, just an abstract map on a whiteboard to give a spatial idea of what the room looks like.

Don't like Next, that's one thing. But don't lie about it just to get people to be just as smarmy about it as you are.


Thank god. I I see no joy in a pen and paper MMO.
 
2014-01-22 08:36:29 PM
Girls played D&D with us when I was in high school. Of course in the early 80s it was assumed if you were playing D&D you were having bisexual satanic drug orgies.
 
2014-01-22 08:41:03 PM

Ghastly: Of course in the early 80s it was assumed if you were playing D&D you were having bisexual satanic drug orgies.



Late 80's too, I was pulled out of class one day because some anonymous person (my girlfriends parents) had called the Chief of Police (really) to say that I was going to be engaged in a D&D "ritual" that weekend with my friends and drugs and sex may be involved.

I told the nice policeman that at the time, we were actually playing Palladium's Heroes Unlimited and invited him to join us. No drugs or sex (well, no sex during gametime).
 
2014-01-22 08:51:51 PM

Ghastly: Girls played D&D with us when I was in high school. Of course in the early 80s it was assumed if you were playing D&D you were having bisexual satanic drug orgies.


Lucky bastard.  When I was in high school that myth had long since cleared up.  Farking goths took all the freaky chicks(although I managed to snag one for a few months).
 
2014-01-22 08:57:26 PM

Odd Bird: Space Station Wagon: derio42: PC LOAD LETTER: I played D&D and I am so socially maladjusted, this is the woman I married:

[img.fark.net image 420x580]

I've seen this picture posted every once in a while on fark for years, and I still don't know what it's about or what it's referencing.  Something about homeschooling?  Tineye search gives me a meme-generated image of the girl with the caption "Oats: Let me have some".  Still it makes no sense.  I can't seem to find anything on knowyourmeme either.  Can someone explain what in the world it's about?

I actually watched that thread unfold.

I nearly split my sides watching that go down, still have the link in my profile (see Notes; Poor Bastard)


The homeschooled farker had handle "

PC LOAD LETTER: derio42: Oh, it was a TFark thread? No wonder I've never seen the original thread it came from. I mean, I like Fark and all, but pay for it? That's crazy talk, man.

tmim16       2007-11-27 03:03:13 PM


Yea, homeschooling really farked up my life. I'm 25, married, have a mortgage and a job as a web developer for a Fortune 100 company My parents really dropped the ball on that one...
And before you go all crazy about social interaction, this is the woman I married:
[picture of El Toothy]
Yes, homeschooling really hindered my ability to "fit in" with society... It's amazing how ignorant some of you farkers are!


tmim16".

Classic.  I was there for that thread and saved some of the shops.

img.fark.net


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-22 09:21:18 PM

EbolaNYC: Theaetetus: Judi Dench

Lol, come on man... REALLY?


Blame Vin Diesel. Yeah, Chronicles of Riddick sort of got some disparate folks together...
 
2014-01-22 09:23:21 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

Quit crying. Just go over to White Wolf where you belong.


Oh hell no you did not.
 
2014-01-22 09:24:39 PM

ippolit: I was there for that thread and saved some of the shops


Nice work!
 
2014-01-22 10:11:24 PM

HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.


*snicker* That's all the more hysterical when you realize Vin Diesel's gay.
 
2014-01-22 10:13:52 PM

Boojum2k: HeartBurnKid: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

That's why there's Pathfinder.


This.


Except Pathfinder isn't all that good. It's better than 4 by a long shot, and in many ways better than 3/3.5, but it's got an explosive power curve and shoves complexity in where you don't need complexity.

I'd really love to see a "fixed" 2E, in a way, just one where all the classes are useful and the systems aren't back-ass retarded.
 
2014-01-22 10:17:48 PM

Epicedion: Except Pathfinder isn't all that good.



Pfft. Speak for yourself, I have a dedicated group who loves switching up games, but they've been obsessive about finishing Rise of the Runelords since we started a year ago.

I did like 2nd edition though.
 
2014-01-22 10:18:42 PM

Peki: HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.

*snicker* That's all the more hysterical when you realize Vin Diesel's gay.


Crap. I retract this post. I swear to the universe I remember reading that. . .
 
2014-01-22 10:22:03 PM

Peki: Peki: HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.

*snicker* That's all the more hysterical when you realize Vin Diesel's gay.

Crap. I retract this post. I swear to the universe I remember reading that. . .


I'm sure you did.  Everybody in Hollywood is gay or bi, depending on who you ask.
 
2014-01-22 10:22:35 PM

Boojum2k: Epicedion: Except Pathfinder isn't all that good.


Pfft. Speak for yourself, I have a dedicated group who loves switching up games, but they've been obsessive about finishing Rise of the Runelords since we started a year ago.

I did like 2nd edition though.


I did speak for myself. That's why my name is right there above the words.

I'll definitely play Pathfinder and enjoy it, but it lacks a certain air that earlier editions had (probably due to that pesky power curve). Oh, and I really have started to hate the infinite pool of Feats.
 
2014-01-22 10:25:45 PM

Heliovdrake: Hey Subs, when you treat women like people, who enjoy the same hobbies as dudes you'll find that D&D and indeed any tabletop RPG is a great way to meet women outside of a bar.

/My fiancee is a gamer
//a hot German Gamer girl
///she got me into Shadowrun
////Cybernetics 4 LIFE.


Wow. Just one comment in and we've got one defensively whining "Not true! Look at me! And since exceptions exist, the general stereotype is false!"

+1, subby.

"//a hot German Gamer girl"

Is that the new "She's Canadian; you wouldn't know her"?
 
2014-01-22 10:52:46 PM

Peki: Peki: HeartBurnKid: [eisforevil.files.wordpress.com image 356x500]
What a socially-maladjusted D&D player with no hope of ever getting near a girl may look like.

*snicker* That's all the more hysterical when you realize Vin Diesel's gay.

Crap. I retract this post. I swear to the universe I remember reading that. . .


Was it on the internet?  Because you're not allowed to lie on the internet.
 
2014-01-22 11:22:38 PM
I met my wife at a Runequest game. Most of the gamers I know get laid more often than most jocks.
 
2014-01-22 11:31:16 PM

ExcedrinHeadache: Tyrosine: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

I just finished play testing 5th. They took all the worst elements of 4th and combined it with the leftovers from 3.5 that never worked. My feeling is that they are trying to give D&D the feeling of an MMO, but in so doing they're ruining the game.

I'm pretty sure there's never been a more completely wrong statement ever said about a game or a game-related product. It's like you had a dream in which you were playing a 5th Edition D&D that has never and will never exist. Was there a unicorn or a talking keg of beer involved?

The playtest materials for D&D Next show a very numbers-light, narrative-based game that relies heavily on the imaginations of the players and the fiat of the GM. There's no pre-generated attacks/powers that you activate, you're not thinking in terms of "builds", etc. There's no "roles" anymore (Defender, Controller, etc.), which was what made 4E feel so MMO-ish to me. It feels to me as if they took 3.5 and reeled it back toward the narrative focus of 2E. Even relative to 3.5, they removed a lot of the positioning bullshiat that more or less required you to use miniatures. Our Next group still hasn't use miniatures, just an abstract map on a whiteboard to give a spatial idea of what the room looks like.

Don't like Next, that's one thing. But don't lie about it just to get people to be just as smarmy about it as you are.


I've done the playtesting package myself through the iterations.  I'm... cautiously optimistic. It reminds me of the d20 conversions - mostly the Black Company setting Green Ronin put out.  It appears to be very plug and play, where a decision defaults to an either/or, both in character creation and combat.  That means they can add more rules as they go along without killing or overwriting the base ruleset - and that's really important in a community when rulebooks are now going for 45 to 60 bucks.
 
2014-01-23 12:24:24 AM

Heliovdrake: Hey Subs, when you treat women like people, who enjoy the same hobbies as dudes you'll find that D&D and indeed any tabletop RPG is a great way to meet women outside of a bar.

/My fiancee is a gamer
//a hot German Gamer girl
///she got me into Shadowrun
////Cybernetics 4 LIFE.


Stop making up pretend fiances.  sheesh.
 
2014-01-23 01:57:57 AM
The box said "Adult Fantasy" and I ended up rolling dice all night.

WTF?
 
2014-01-23 05:52:12 AM
I am completely confused by what happened to D&D after I stopped playing around 1985. Editions? 2.0? 4.0?

I remember a simple game where the most complexity was that a half-elf was both magic user and fighter.

Why did they need to tweak it beyond recognition?
 
2014-01-23 07:49:33 AM

ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.


That, plus games like Labyrinth Lord, Pathfinder, Dungeon World, 13th Age, Swords & Wizardy, Dungeon Crawl Classics, etc. have been attracting and retaining the fantasy RPG folks for years while the D&D brand floundered looking for some kind of identity again.

/plus you can still play 0e, 1e, 2e, 3e, 3.5e, and 4e, so why bother with The Newest Version when any of the old versions still work just fine?
 
2014-01-23 08:19:24 AM

August11: I am completely confused by what happened to D&D after I stopped playing around 1985. Editions? 2.0? 4.0?

I remember a simple game where the most complexity was that a half-elf was both magic user and fighter.

Why did they need to tweak it beyond recognition?


Class: Dwarf

It was a simpler time
 
2014-01-23 09:12:36 AM

Heliovdrake: Hey Subs, when you treat women like people, who enjoy the same hobbies as dudes you'll find that D&D and indeed any tabletop RPG is a great way to meet women outside of a bar.

/My fiancee is a gamer
//a hot German Gamer girl
///she got me into Shadowrun
////Cybernetics 4 LIFE.


THIS!

I was playing D&D long before I met my husband, in fact in the 1980's, there where more women playing D&D than men.
 
2014-01-23 09:28:34 AM

pute kisses like a man: INeedAName: I'm 32 and have been playing with the same group for roughly 4 years now. Only two of the guys aren't married, and it is by far the most well adjusted group of mature individuals I have ever gamed with.

By mature, I mean responsible adults. They do constantly whip out the penis jokes.

We have, however, pretty much given up on DnD except 3rd party stuff. We spent a few months playing some Torchbearer and are currently in a very cool Star Wars campaign.

We'll be taking a short hiatus because one of the guys is getting married in the beginning of March, and he is our DM. While he's out we're going to each pick a different system and run a one shot. Should be pretty fun. I am also excited because a few people will be bringing home-built systems to the table, which should be interesting!

i'm 32 and i can't find a group of well adjusted people to game with. i can find extremely maladjusted people who I would prefer not allow in my house... so, i tried to teach friends to play.  did not work.  now they think i'm the maladjusted one.

/ married.  the wife has told me that, originally, she thought that my playing rpgs could be a deal breaker.  then i made her play an rpg, and she liked it.


I'd find an online group to play with, you can use maptools and skype to set up a gaming session.

I've been playing with the fark pathfinder group for over a year now thanks to these tools. :) You can game without leaving your home and in your PJs.
 
2014-01-23 09:32:42 AM

Tyrosine: Fano: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

EBay can help you with all your second3.5 edition needs.

If you're going to play 2nd ed you might as well just switch to Rolemaster.


Go to Paizo.com and get all a version of 3.x ed that actually works.

/Refuses to play 3.x except for Pathfinder
//4th ed was fun, RP is only limited by your imagination
 
2014-01-23 10:10:47 AM

sniderman: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

They're in trouble, because no matter what they release, people are going to remember their reaction to 4th edition and project that feeling on 5th.  Tradition and memory of good times is what brings people back to D&D, as opposed to other RPGs, and now that those memories are hurt, it's a harder market for Hasbro.

That, plus games like Labyrinth Lord, Pathfinder, Dungeon World, 13th Age, Swords & Wizardy, Dungeon Crawl Classics, etc. have been attracting and retaining the fantasy RPG folks for years while the D&D brand floundered looking for some kind of identity again.

/plus you can still play 0e, 1e, 2e, 3e, 3.5e, and 4e, so why bother with The Newest Version when any of the old versions still work just fine?


The problem with D&D, historically, is making money off the product. All a D&D group reallyneeds is to buy the base 3 books and to have a good imagination, which isn't a particularly good for cash flow. It's one of the reasons why TSR went bankrupt and Hasboro/WOTC has been pushing the minis (yes even in 3.0, the original books used pennies to explain combat then switched to minis).

Quite frankly, if Hasbro wants to make bank off D&D they'd just PDF all the old edition shiat and sell it. I'd also like them to create an Amazon like self-publish store for people to sell their campaigns (and D&D takes a cut of the price). I'd also add-in the ability to buy minis individually instead of random blind bags and some plushie and clothing merch instead of putting out dozens of books.

/Sadly I don't think they'd ever do that
 
2014-01-23 10:12:10 AM

Mr_H: The Fark Pathfinder group has a female.  Or two...we're not sure about her husband yet (Hi Ian!)

hubiestubert:In fairness, UMaine Farmington had about a 6 to 1 ration of women to men by the time I left. It was about 9 to 1 when I started. Teaching schools FTW...

I dated a girl who went to UMF and went to the game convention up there.  I was impressed by the # of female gamers...didn't know the whole school was like that.


Trust me, my hubby is a man. :)
 
2014-01-23 11:41:20 AM

sniderman: /plus you can still play 0e, 1e, 2e, 3e, 3.5e, and 4e, so why bother with The Newest Version when any of the old versions still work just fine?


Because theoretically it's possible that a new edition will do something to make the game more interesting.

The biggest problem I have with D&D is the way that power scales. The party that can fight the dragon can't reasonably fight the gang of orcs unless the Orcs all have 100HP and magical plate armor. As you increase the level of the party, old threats become trivial. Which is great for big and crazy, but when it comes to fitting together a semi-believable world, it sort of wrecks the illusion.

A town, for example, might have a bandit problem. A 10th level party rolls into town. The party can elect to take care of the bandit problem, which is trivial (unless the bandits are super-rich and powerful and have magic everything, but if they are then why are they bandits and what are they getting out of the town exactly) and therefore boring, or they can elect to be huge jerks and not wield their great power for good because the task is beneath them (and invent some Randian justification about how weaker folk need the challenge to spur them toward self-improvement).

In other words, Town #1 has to suffer from kobolds, while Town #20 has to suffer from greater demons of the abyss, or else mechanically the game is boring.
 
2014-01-23 12:05:11 PM

Epicedion: sniderman: /plus you can still play 0e, 1e, 2e, 3e, 3.5e, and 4e, so why bother with The Newest Version when any of the old versions still work just fine?

Because theoretically it's possible that a new edition will do something to make the game more interesting.

The biggest problem I have with D&D is the way that power scales. The party that can fight the dragon can't reasonably fight the gang of orcs unless the Orcs all have 100HP and magical plate armor. As you increase the level of the party, old threats become trivial. Which is great for big and crazy, but when it comes to fitting together a semi-believable world, it sort of wrecks the illusion.

A town, for example, might have a bandit problem. A 10th level party rolls into town. The party can elect to take care of the bandit problem, which is trivial (unless the bandits are super-rich and powerful and have magic everything, but if they are then why are they bandits and what are they getting out of the town exactly) and therefore boring, or they can elect to be huge jerks and not wield their great power for good because the task is beneath them (and invent some Randian justification about how weaker folk need the challenge to spur them toward self-improvement).

In other words, Town #1 has to suffer from kobolds, while Town #20 has to suffer from greater demons of the abyss, or else mechanically the game is boring.


Ehh, not REALLY.  The level 10 characters probably have enough wealth that they can hire some henchmen/local low-leveled adventurers to take care of the kobolds. Or use their followers to take care of the small problem.
Why should they waste their time, really? While they stoop to smashing ants kobolds those demons over in the other town finally sacrificed enough villagers and are now casting a ritual that brings in a handful of pit fiends or something and now there is REAL trouble afoot. Oops. Should have properly allocated resources. Now we have to go appeal to that Titan living on another plane for help HERE, or sell everything so we have enough gold to give that Wyrm blue dragon to help. :: sighs :: I so hate owing that Titan a favor...
 
2014-01-23 12:52:52 PM

SharkaPult: Ehh, not REALLY.  The level 10 characters probably have enough wealth that they can hire some henchmen/local low-leveled adventurers to take care of the kobolds. Or use their followers to take care of the small problem.
Why should they waste their time, really? While they stoop to smashing ants kobolds those demons over in the other town finally sacrificed enough villagers and are now casting a ritual that brings in a handful of pit fiends or something and now there is REAL trouble afoot. Oops. Should have properly allocated resources. Now we have to go appeal to that Titan living on another plane for help HERE, or sell everything so we have enough gold to give that Wyrm blue dragon to help. :: sighs :: I so hate owing that Titan a favor...


That was exactly my point: old threats become trivial.
 
2014-01-23 01:08:01 PM

Epicedion: SharkaPult: Ehh, not REALLY.  The level 10 characters probably have enough wealth that they can hire some henchmen/local low-leveled adventurers to take care of the kobolds. Or use their followers to take care of the small problem.
Why should they waste their time, really? While they stoop to smashing ants kobolds those demons over in the other town finally sacrificed enough villagers and are now casting a ritual that brings in a handful of pit fiends or something and now there is REAL trouble afoot. Oops. Should have properly allocated resources. Now we have to go appeal to that Titan living on another plane for help HERE, or sell everything so we have enough gold to give that Wyrm blue dragon to help. :: sighs :: I so hate owing that Titan a favor...

That was exactly my point: old threats become trivial.


That is how it works!
Lebron James can face multiple teams of 6th graders and they can't stop him from taking the rock to the hole.
 
2014-01-23 01:18:52 PM
You make good points, Epicedion, but its really up to the DM to make it interesting for the high-level party.

Snuffing out a kobold hold may be easy, but it attracts the eye of some Evil Overlord, or some such thing that leads more logically to the bigger adventures.

Or the DM just uses the players overconfidence to disfigure them with some acid burns or cursed items.
 
2014-01-23 01:23:05 PM

Big Beef Burrito: You make good points, Epicedion, but its really up to the DM to make it interesting for the high-level party.

Snuffing out a kobold hold may be easy, but it attracts the eye of some Evil Overlord, or some such thing that leads more logically to the bigger adventures.

Or the DM just uses the players overconfidence to disfigure them with some acid burns or cursed items.


That's why what I was saying previously was "what I really want is.." and I just haven't found the perfect balance yet. D&D for me is fine at lower levels, but scales badly the longer it goes.

Of course no game has managed to cure the problem of the players being terrified of  actual adventure. I swear, the next time a group stumbles upon a mysterious cave and instead of checking it out decides to camp outside it for a week to see if anything goes in or out, I'm murdering the cleric.
 
2014-01-23 01:28:09 PM
LMAO, because I can't say that I have not done that to our DM.

DM: "After firebombing the sleeply hamlet, the arch-lich sppeds away in his flying ship. He heads east, directly into the heart of a terrrible thunderstorm over the haunted mountains."

Us: "Pass. Sounds a little out of our league. Let's explore this part of the map where you haven't drawn anything. That sounds promising."
 
2014-01-23 01:28:18 PM

shortymac: sniderman: ikanreed: Epicedion: Well D&D really needs to get its shiat together and publish a new edition worth playing.

Quite frankly, if Hasbro wants to make bank off D&D they'd just PDF all the old edition shiat and sell it. I'd also like them to create an Amazon like self-publish store for people to sell their campaigns (and D&D takes a cut of the price). I'd also add-in the ability to buy minis individually instead of random blind bags and some plushie and clothing merch instead of putting out dozens of books.

/Sadly I don't think they'd ever do that


They did. http://dndclassics.com

Here's the BECMI Rules Cyclopedia, for example:

http://www.dndclassics.com/product/17171/D%26D-Rules-Cyclopedia-%28Ba s ic%29?it=1">http://www.dndclassics.com/product/17171/D%26D-Rules-Cycl opedia-%28Bas ic%29?it=1
 
2014-01-23 01:41:03 PM

Epicedion: sniderman: /plus you can still play 0e, 1e, 2e, 3e, 3.5e, and 4e, so why bother with The Newest Version when any of the old versions still work just fine?

Because theoretically it's possible that a new edition will do something to make the game more interesting.

The biggest problem I have with D&D is the way that power scales. The party that can fight the dragon can't reasonably fight the gang of orcs unless the Orcs all have 100HP and magical plate armor. As you increase the level of the party, old threats become trivial. Which is great for big and crazy, but when it comes to fitting together a semi-believable world, it sort of wrecks the illusion.

A town, for example, might have a bandit problem. A 10th level party rolls into town. The party can elect to take care of the bandit problem, which is trivial (unless the bandits are super-rich and powerful and have magic everything, but if they are then why are they bandits and what are they getting out of the town exactly) and therefore boring, or they can elect to be huge jerks and not wield their great power for good because the task is beneath them (and invent some Randian justification about how weaker folk need the challenge to spur them toward self-improvement).

In other words, Town #1 has to suffer from kobolds, while Town #20 has to suffer from greater demons of the abyss, or else mechanically the game is boring.


You have a good point, however D&D did a survey and found out that most campaigns never get beyond level 10.

It's one of the reasons why I want to do a high-level campaign, I have a copy of the Tomb of Horrors 4th ed I'd been itching to DM but getting people to play 4th ed is like pulling hen's teeth.
 
2014-01-23 01:46:19 PM

Epicedion: That's why what I was saying previously was "what I really want is.." and I just haven't found the perfect balance yet. D&D for me is fine at lower levels, but scales badly the longer it goes.Of course no game has managed to cure the problem of the players being terrified of actual adventure. I swear, the next time a group stumbles upon a mysterious cave and instead of checking it out decides to camp outside it for a week to see if anything goes in or out, I'm murdering the cleric.



If you want to brutalize the players with monsters, play Gurps Fantasy. I don't care if you have the worlds most enchanted bow firing arrows baned against dragons, it's going to vaporize you and eat your ashes long before you do enough damage to slow it down.
 
2014-01-23 01:51:19 PM

shortymac: You have a good point, however D&D did a survey and found out that most campaigns never get beyond level 10.


This probably means that the next iteration shouldn't map out to level 30.
 
2014-01-23 01:55:04 PM

Epicedion: D&D for me is fine at lower levels, but scales badly the longer it goes.


I'm a ridiculously stingy DM, magic items are very rare in my campaigns. I usually start each character with an "heirloom" low level magic item.
Ring of Warmth, +1 sword, etc. but anything else is hard fought.

I also believe in cycles of adventure.
My players should learn, then be challenged and if they win they get to be "Barney Baddass" for a little while. Then we wash, rinse, repeat.
 
2014-01-23 01:58:24 PM

Boojum2k: If you want to brutalize the players with monsters, play Gurps Fantasy. I don't care if you have the worlds most enchanted bow firing arrows baned against dragons, it's going to vaporize you and eat your ashes long before you do enough damage to slow it down.


Brutalize, no. I'd really love to see a game with a power curve more like Shadowrun (don't say Earthdawn), where characters start out fair to competent and can become legendary, just not so legendary that they can shrug off boulders and absorb volcanic eruptions.
 
2014-01-23 02:01:26 PM

Epicedion: don't say Earthdawn



I wouldn't. I like Shadowrun a lot, but never got into Earthdawn.
 
2014-01-23 02:06:19 PM

Space Station Wagon: Epicedion: SharkaPult: Ehh, not REALLY.  The level 10 characters probably have enough wealth that they can hire some henchmen/local low-leveled adventurers to take care of the kobolds. Or use their followers to take care of the small problem.
Why should they waste their time, really? While they stoop to smashing ants kobolds those demons over in the other town finally sacrificed enough villagers and are now casting a ritual that brings in a handful of pit fiends or something and now there is REAL trouble afoot. Oops. Should have properly allocated resources. Now we have to go appeal to that Titan living on another plane for help HERE, or sell everything so we have enough gold to give that Wyrm blue dragon to help. :: sighs :: I so hate owing that Titan a favor...

That was exactly my point: old threats become trivial.

That is how it works!
Lebron James can face multiple teams of 6th graders and they can't stop him from taking the rock to the hole.


Exactly, If you want to keep stomping kobolds/rats/whatever ad naseum, go play WOW or Diablo or something. Grind away.
And if you happen to have enough hitpoints where 50 damage in a round won't kill you, you still have to make the saving throw vs death. It's always around the corner. (The Death temple is just past the cleric that will Rezz you for 5000 GP. Or reincarnate you for 350 GP. Feeling lucky?)
 
2014-01-23 02:18:37 PM

Epicedion: shortymac: You have a good point, however D&D did a survey and found out that most campaigns never get beyond level 10.

This probably means that the next iteration shouldn't map out to level 30.


I wouldn't mind them mapping it out until 30 if they made leveling from 1 to 10 faster.

I think most players/DM get bored of a game world and want to switch to a new campaign before they get to 10.
 
2014-01-23 02:22:31 PM

SharkaPult: Exactly, If you want to keep stomping kobolds/rats/whatever ad naseum, go play WOW or Diablo or something. Grind away.
And if you happen to have enough hitpoints where 50 damage in a round won't kill you, you still have to make the saving throw vs death. It's always around the corner. (The Death temple is just past the cleric that will Rezz you for 5000 GP. Or reincarnate you for 350 GP. Feeling lucky?)


D&D follows the exact kind of progression that WoW and Diablo follow -- start in area 1, level up, move to area 2, level up, move to area 3, et cetera. Numbers-inflation.
 
2014-01-23 02:34:32 PM

Epicedion: SharkaPult: Exactly, If you want to keep stomping kobolds/rats/whatever ad naseum, go play WOW or Diablo or something. Grind away.
And if you happen to have enough hitpoints where 50 damage in a round won't kill you, you still have to make the saving throw vs death. It's always around the corner. (The Death temple is just past the cleric that will Rezz you for 5000 GP. Or reincarnate you for 350 GP. Feeling lucky?)

D&D follows the exact kind of progression that WoW and Diablo follow -- start in area 1, level up, move to area 2, level up, move to area 3, et cetera. Numbers-inflation.


Except a good DM gives more xp for creative thinking, taking risks, exciting and engaging play, problem solving, team work, general overall fun addition.
then he does for killing countless monsters in a random encounter
 
2014-01-23 02:43:06 PM

Space Station Wagon: Except a good DM gives more xp for creative thinking, taking risks, exciting and engaging play, problem solving, team work, general overall fun addition.
then he does for killing countless monsters in a random encounter


Not really talking about DMs. Certain aspects of a game like D&D function independently from the DM (unlike a game like, say, Dungeon World), at least in primary application. In many ways the progression of the characters hamstrings the DM, or at least closes off as many or more doors than it opens. It's sort of hard to get the players to engage in, say, a compelling ghost story in haunted village when one of the characters can whip out his ghostbane bow, another can banish all of the undead in a 40 mile radius, and the other can fold the village into a pocket dimension and rocket it into the sun. Or somesuch.
 
2014-01-23 02:56:31 PM

Epicedion: SharkaPult: Ehh, not REALLY.  The level 10 characters probably have enough wealth that they can hire some henchmen/local low-leveled adventurers to take care of the kobolds. Or use their followers to take care of the small problem.
Why should they waste their time, really? While they stoop to smashing ants kobolds those demons over in the other town finally sacrificed enough villagers and are now casting a ritual that brings in a handful of pit fiends or something and now there is REAL trouble afoot. Oops. Should have properly allocated resources. Now we have to go appeal to that Titan living on another plane for help HERE, or sell everything so we have enough gold to give that Wyrm blue dragon to help. :: sighs :: I so hate owing that Titan a favor...

That was exactly my point: old threats become trivial.


Next has a flatter progression curve. Your AC doesn't go up with level, so aside from whatever AC plusses you get from magical armor, your AC won't rise a ton from level 1 to 20. Your to-hit doesn't go up super high, either... I think it's a +6 at lvl 20. What does go up is HP and the damage you do with your weapon as you get better equipment. Spell damage also goes up like you'd expect.

So at level 10, those level 2 orcs are going to be an easy fight, but they still have a decent chance of hitting you and doing fairly significant damage... and in numbers, they're still a threat.
 
2014-01-23 03:03:32 PM

ExcedrinHeadache: Next has a flatter progression curve. Your AC doesn't go up with level, so aside from whatever AC plusses you get from magical armor, your AC won't rise a ton from level 1 to 20. Your to-hit doesn't go up super high, either... I think it's a +6 at lvl 20. What does go up is HP and the damage you do with your weapon as you get better equipment. Spell damage also goes up like you'd expect.

So at level 10, those level 2 orcs are going to be an easy fight, but they still have a decent chance of hitting you and doing fairly significant damage... and in numbers, they're still a threat.


I'm looking forward to that, actually. Also the reduction in multiple attacks, and the compilation of a lot of abilities into relatively few Feats. Having seen the variety in Expertise Dice and Skill Dice and No Skills and WTF that came out in various iterations of the playtest packet, I really hope they cobbled together something decent there, though.
 
2014-01-23 07:46:52 PM

Epicedion: sniderman: /plus you can still play 0e, 1e, 2e, 3e, 3.5e, and 4e, so why bother with The Newest Version when any of the old versions still work just fine?

Because theoretically it's possible that a new edition will do something to make the game more interesting.

The biggest problem I have with D&D is the way that power scales. The party that can fight the dragon can't reasonably fight the gang of orcs unless the Orcs all have 100HP and magical plate armor. As you increase the level of the party, old threats become trivial. Which is great for big and crazy, but when it comes to fitting together a semi-believable world, it sort of wrecks the illusion.

A town, for example, might have a bandit problem. A 10th level party rolls into town. The party can elect to take care of the bandit problem, which is trivial (unless the bandits are super-rich and powerful and have magic everything, but if they are then why are they bandits and what are they getting out of the town exactly) and therefore boring, or they can elect to be huge jerks and not wield their great power for good because the task is beneath them (and invent some Randian justification about how weaker folk need the challenge to spur them toward self-improvement).

In other words, Town #1 has to suffer from kobolds, while Town #20 has to suffer from greater demons of the abyss, or else mechanically the game is boring.


The original colored box sets moved from dungeon, to wilderness, to running a nation, to becoming a god. They managed to scale things pretty well.
 
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