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2014-01-22 10:44:44 AM
Rescue?  We doan need jyur steeeenking rescue.

I think I've seen this movie -- Denzel and an adorable Dakota Fanning.  Best part was when Mark Anthony put one in the temple.
 
2014-01-22 11:11:47 AM
Some 105,000 abductions took place in the country in 2012

Holy Fark!
 
2014-01-22 11:13:50 AM
Now that headline's funny, and I snorted.

It's funny 'cause it's true.
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2014-01-22 11:16:56 AM
I've come to the conclusion if you go to any place in Mexico besides the confines of the tourist resorts you're on speed dial to Darwins cell phone..  fark everything about that country.
 
2014-01-22 11:17:34 AM

abhorrent1: Some 105,000 abductions took place in the country in 2012


Is that total, or just those committed by the Mexican police?
 
2014-01-22 11:18:05 AM
So...does any of this stop if they legalize marijuana? Just something I'm wondering. If the government gets in on the hustle do the cartels fight that much harder for a smaller piece of the pie? They're not going to just start growing corn.
 
2014-01-22 11:22:04 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: So...does any of this stop if they legalize marijuana? Just something I'm wondering. If the government gets in on the hustle do the cartels fight that much harder for a smaller piece of the pie? They're not going to just start growing corn.


The "War on Drugs" is an economic juggernaut.  There are too many people employed in this racket for it to be stopped.

Too big to fail.

Fail
 
2014-01-22 11:22:34 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: So...does any of this stop if they legalize marijuana? Just something I'm wondering. If the government gets in on the hustle do the cartels fight that much harder for a smaller piece of the pie? They're not going to just start growing corn.


They might muscle into the Chicklet game....
 
2014-01-22 11:22:52 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: So...does any of this stop if they legalize marijuana? Just something I'm wondering. If the government gets in on the hustle do the cartels fight that much harder for a smaller piece of the pie? They're not going to just start growing corn.


Alas, probably not.  They'd just move into other projects:  cocaine and smuggling illegal immigrants, I would guess.  These are career bad guys, and they aren't just going to fall back on the ol' MBA once weed is legalized more widely.
 
2014-01-22 11:24:02 AM
There's a difference?
 
2014-01-22 11:25:22 AM

styckx: I've come to the conclusion if you go to any place in Mexico besides the confines of the tourist resorts you're on speed dial to Darwins cell phone..  fark everything about that country.


I always feel bad for CygnusDarius when I read comments like this
 
2014-01-22 11:25:58 AM
I have an online friend who lives not too far from Monterrey. It's horrible down there. Her husband was kidnapped about 4 months ago and only because they knew somebody, they got him back. But one of her student's dad recently got kidnapped. The family paid the money, so the kidnappers asked for more, It's likely he will be killed because it's less trouble than letting him go. I assumed they release people upon payment to incentivize people to pay up. But not so. They just ask for more before killing them. How this hasn't become a bigger human rights issue, I don't know.
 
2014-01-22 11:26:35 AM
They killed The Bieber?
 
2014-01-22 11:29:59 AM
Accurate headline. Many of the cops in Mexico are drug cartel enforcers or thugs themselves.

It has been that way for years.
 
2014-01-22 11:30:52 AM

Farkomatic: I have an online friend who lives not too far from Monterrey. It's horrible down there. Her husband was kidnapped about 4 months ago and only because they knew somebody, they got him back. But one of her student's dad recently got kidnapped. The family paid the money, so the kidnappers asked for more, It's likely he will be killed because it's less trouble than letting him go. I assumed they release people upon payment to incentivize people to pay up. But not so. They just ask for more before killing them. How this hasn't become a bigger human rights issue, I don't know.


it's interesting that there's insurance for that.  actually, it's scary.  that means it's a normal enough thing to deal with.
 
2014-01-22 11:36:32 AM
I'd be more scared of the Russian SWAT force.


It's both fascinating and sad how countries can become quagmires like that with no end in sight, especially once corruption severely infiltrates politics and the police.


/giggity-goo
 
2014-01-22 11:48:01 AM
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Sanchez: What are you trying to do?

Quinlan: We're trying to strap you to the electric chair, boy.

Doesn't anybody watch Orson Welles movies?
 
2014-01-22 11:51:45 AM

The Southern Logic Company: styckx: I've come to the conclusion if you go to any place in Mexico besides the confines of the tourist resorts you're on speed dial to Darwins cell phone..  fark everything about that country.

I always feel bad for CygnusDarius when I read comments like this


I feel worse because there's people in the country that don't give a rat's ass, and in fact complain when there's people protesting.

The state of Michoacan, the most recent example of 'shiat the government should not do', is reaaaaally farked up, so much that farmers have finally got fed up and started going up in arms against the cartel using nothing but (at first) their hunting rifles, or dusting off the old guns.Recently they're being supplied with weapons by both a) local businessmen that are also fed up, and b) the corpses of slain drug dealers. The federal government actually stepped up... And demanded that these self-defense groups lay down their arms and 'trust the local authorities', which are either scared of the drug dealers or working alongside them (and a small minority that may actually care, but they're underpaid and under-equipped).

I live in a relatively calmed part of the country. Is Mexico farked? Yes. Is it a failed state? Depends. If we're talking in an overall wide view, nationally, not quite since the basic infrastructure is stable... More or less. But there are pockets of the country in which the State has definitely failed.

And it's going to get worse, now that the government has made oil production private, and have made horrible reforms to the energy infrastructure (goodbye subsidies, for example), employment (19 cent increase to the minimum wage, which is an insult, and also you can get fired from your job for little to no reason, and not get a paycheck), and a raise to taxes on staple foods (known as 'canasta basica'), medicine, dog food, and junk food and sodas (this last one ain't that bad, to be honest) that was aproved right alongside the employment reform.

And also, it makes it harder for me to apply for scholarships and jobs outside of the country, for some reason.

So... Why are there no massive protests of every single citizen in the country?:

static.animalpolitico.com

Aaaaand...


i.dailymail.co.uk

The last one is pretty damn obvious, because there's only two major TV networks in Mexico, cable is not as widespread, and the main network, Televisa, works alongside the federal government in so many ways...
 
2014-01-22 11:54:14 AM
There seem to be two ways of stopping the violence in Mexico: either make drugs legal so people can buy what the cartels are selling elsewhere, or everyone just stops buying what they are selling. Option A is taking a long time, but it should happen eventually. Unlike option B, which couldn't even be implemented short term just to save some lives while option A is being tackled.

I'm all for legalizing everything. Huge proponent; government has no business telling you what you can and can't put in your own body. Meth, weed, coke, heroin, a dude's dick, cyanide, morning after pills, fetus shredding vacuums, Oxycontin, doesn't farking matter. It's your damn body. (the one and only exception might be antibiotics, but that's a different conversation). But I don't like being lied to, by either side of an issue. If you have dreadlocks and a Bob Marley t-shirt and are asking me to sign a petition for "medical marijuana", you can go fark yourself. If you have a giant for-profit prison complex and get lots of money and power out of the drug war and you tell me that drugs will cause society to collapse, you can go fark yourself. And if you risk arrest, imprisonment, a life changing felony, and support organizations murdering and kidnapping hundreds of thousands of people in order to use a specific item and then tell me that item is completely harmless and non-addictive, you can go fark yourself.
 
2014-01-22 12:01:07 PM
styckx


I've come to the conclusion if you go to any place in Mexico besides the confines of the tourist resorts you're on speed dial to Darwins cell phone.. fark everything about that country.


I honestly don't think the tourist resorts are even safe, tourists have money and generally willing to pay ransom. Cops don't give a fark because they are just as bad as the cartels.
 
2014-01-22 12:07:29 PM
Question is; are the American Police becoming Mexicanized or are the Mexican Police Americanized?
 
2014-01-22 12:09:25 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: So...does any of this stop if they legalize marijuana? Just something I'm wondering. If the government gets in on the hustle do the cartels fight that much harder for a smaller piece of the pie? They're not going to just start growing corn.


You think this is about pot?
Chump change compared to the Meth and Blow.
 
2014-01-22 12:23:57 PM
That was a remarkably fact-free article.
 
2014-01-22 12:38:03 PM
CygnusDarius:

And it's going to get worse, now that the government has made oil production private

Does this mean the oil cartels will now be fighting the drug cartels for land?
 
2014-01-22 12:46:43 PM
Really? In Mexico the cops pretty much all work for the Narco's anyways...
 
2014-01-22 12:50:43 PM

snocone: DROxINxTHExWIND: So...does any of this stop if they legalize marijuana? Just something I'm wondering. If the government gets in on the hustle do the cartels fight that much harder for a smaller piece of the pie? They're not going to just start growing corn.

You think this is about pot?
Chump change compared to the Meth and Blow.


They keep finding panga boats on the Cal central coast, usually abandoned. Last one http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/01/16/2880129/panga-carried-a- recor d -4440-pounds.html was a pretty good size load. The damn boat was probably worth $80,000 by itself. Abandoned. I personally don't get it (ditch weed in CA) but there must be a hell of a lot of money involved in the trade.

/Or it was a decoy for the coke/meth shipment.
 
2014-01-22 12:55:24 PM
How many of the kidnappings occur in the tourist / resort areas?  Very very very few, I'd imagine.

Yes, the tourists have the money.  But also - if the tourism goes down considerably - EVERYONE loses out.  All "parties" down there know this.

Kind of like how, in general, the big tourist areas in the Middle East have been relatively "terror free" compared to a lot of areas.  All parties there know that the tourism dollars are rather important to everyone - so they generally let it be.

yes - there are certainly exceptions to both examples.  And, because this is Fark, I'm sure someone will link to a few examples proving me wrong...

Related to this story - I know a young US Service member.  He has a Mexican national girlfriend.  She's from a small town in North Central MX.  No idea where exactly - but definitely off the beaten path.

She wants him to come "home" with her on her spring break from her university.

He can't get it through it head as to why that just might be a bad idea...
 
2014-01-22 01:00:24 PM

styckx: I've come to the conclusion if you go to any place in Mexico besides the confines of the tourist resorts you're on speed dial to Darwins cell phone..  fark everything about that country.


FTFY. Even the touristy parts aren't safe anymore.
 
2014-01-22 01:06:07 PM

SafetyThird: snocone: DROxINxTHExWIND: So...does any of this stop if they legalize marijuana? Just something I'm wondering. If the government gets in on the hustle do the cartels fight that much harder for a smaller piece of the pie? They're not going to just start growing corn.

You think this is about pot?
Chump change compared to the Meth and Blow.

They keep finding panga boats on the Cal central coast, usually abandoned. Last one http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/01/16/2880129/panga-carried-a- recor d -4440-pounds.html was a pretty good size load. The damn boat was probably worth $80,000 by itself. Abandoned. I personally don't get it (ditch weed in CA) but there must be a hell of a lot of money involved in the trade.

/Or it was a decoy for the coke/meth shipment.


I believe you hit it.
Tons of Mexidirt pot are worth little more than the boat.
Is there a market for that pot? Unless is being concentrated to oil(ingestibles?), does not compute.
 
2014-01-22 01:16:34 PM
Hey, it looks like my "Summon CygnusDarius" spell works after all!

CygnusDarius:
So... Why are there no massive protests of every single citizen in the country?:

img.fark.net

So what you're saying is that if the US hadn't helped Mexico get into the WC there would have been real social change in Mexico?  Well damn.
 
2014-01-22 01:28:31 PM
static1.wikia.nocookie.net
Don't worry. He's on it.
 
2014-01-22 01:42:28 PM
Hasn't there been some recent incidents in some isolated areas where Mexican farmers and peasants are attempting to repel the cartels (and the corrupt Federales) by themselves?

If only there was someone to assist them in their endeavors.

www.blogofmanly.com
 
2014-01-22 01:50:17 PM
It's a damned shame really, but consider this.

Let's say that Mexico and the US legalizes drugs. The Cartels are already sitting on a pile, but legal or not, they all want to sell what they have for the highest price they can. If the gov't starts taking a cut from taxation? Forgetaboutit! The cartels aren't  known for their adherence to the law. Now you will just have giant "corporations" that are fighting to sell a legal product and will continue to use violent methods(the ones they know work) to make sure that they, not some rival, are the ones making money.

Add to that, if only pot is legalized, they just turn their attention to the other drugs that people do; even though the FARK Pot Brigade has promised me that once pot is legal, no one will want to do coke, heroin, meth, etc...
 
2014-01-22 01:51:30 PM

pute kisses like a man: Farkomatic: I have an online friend who lives not too far from Monterrey. It's horrible down there. Her husband was kidnapped about 4 months ago and only because they knew somebody, they got him back. But one of her student's dad recently got kidnapped. The family paid the money, so the kidnappers asked for more, It's likely he will be killed because it's less trouble than letting him go. I assumed they release people upon payment to incentivize people to pay up. But not so. They just ask for more before killing them. How this hasn't become a bigger human rights issue, I don't know.

it's interesting that there's insurance for that.  actually, it's scary.  that means it's a normal enough thing to deal with.


I once worked at a place that did a lot of work on energy exploration and extraction. They needed someone to go down and collect documents and files from an office down in Columbia and I was asked to go.

I remember attending a seminar about "what to do if kidnapped" where they basically said that Kidnapping is an industry down there.

We were told that the odds are if you are kidnapped it will be by professionals who arent there to hurt you. They will treat you well as long as you dont try to fight back so just stay calm and go along with them. For this trip there was also a "K&R insurance" (kidnap and ransom) policy. We were basically told that as long as we stayed calm and didnt do anything stupid it would be a 24 hour detour where we would be treated well and released once the insurance paid out. It is bad for business to harm the people they kidnap as the insurance companies would be less likely to pay out on the next incident.

Unfortunately I was unable to get my passport in time for the trip and i ended up not going.
 
2014-01-22 02:04:30 PM
I see they've adopted the Russian method of hostage rescue.
 
2014-01-22 02:07:39 PM
Kidnapping is not an unusual event in Mexico and is said to be on the rise. Some 105,000 abductions took place in the country in 2012.

Thats just fantastic. Can we close the border now???
 
2014-01-22 02:32:37 PM

Loki009: pute kisses like a man: Farkomatic: I have an online friend who lives not too far from Monterrey. It's horrible down there. Her husband was kidnapped about 4 months ago and only because they knew somebody, they got him back. But one of her student's dad recently got kidnapped. The family paid the money, so the kidnappers asked for more, It's likely he will be killed because it's less trouble than letting him go. I assumed they release people upon payment to incentivize people to pay up. But not so. They just ask for more before killing them. How this hasn't become a bigger human rights issue, I don't know.

it's interesting that there's insurance for that.  actually, it's scary.  that means it's a normal enough thing to deal with.

I once worked at a place that did a lot of work on energy exploration and extraction. They needed someone to go down and collect documents and files from an office down in Columbia and I was asked to go.

I remember attending a seminar about "what to do if kidnapped" where they basically said that Kidnapping is an industry down there.

We were told that the odds are if you are kidnapped it will be by professionals who arent there to hurt you. They will treat you well as long as you dont try to fight back so just stay calm and go along with them. For this trip there was also a "K&R insurance" (kidnap and ransom) policy. We were basically told that as long as we stayed calm and didnt do anything stupid it would be a 24 hour detour where we would be treated well and released once the insurance paid out. It is bad for business to harm the people they kidnap as the insurance companies would be less likely to pay out on the next incident.

Unfortunately I was unable to get my passport in time for the trip and i ended up not going.


I was visiting Istanbul one time and I was taken. I knew I only had about 24 hrs to live if I didn't get out of there fast. So they cover my head and throw me in a van. This really wasn't a problem for me because I have a specialized skill set in getting out of peculiar circumstances and killing folks. Problem was my ex-wife was tagging along and I had to think long and hard if I should just let them have her.

But things were looking up, she was about to get divorced from some rich dude and I was probably going to hit it again.
Anywho, I had my daughter toss some grenades on the roof and this allowed me to direct her to where I was, she got my gun to me and not a moment too soon, because I was ready to do what I do best, kill people.

I ended up getting us out of that sticky situation but not before I made quite the scene. I bet Marco from Trapoga friends will think twice before messing with me again.
 
2014-01-22 02:33:16 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: So...does any of this stop if they legalize marijuana? Just something I'm wondering. If the government gets in on the hustle do the cartels fight that much harder for a smaller piece of the pie? They're not going to just start growing corn.


Meth, coke, and heroin.
 
2014-01-22 02:36:29 PM

jaybeezey: It's a damned shame really, but consider this.

Let's say that Mexico and the US legalizes drugs. The Cartels are already sitting on a pile, but legal or not, they all want to sell what they have for the highest price they can. If the gov't starts taking a cut from taxation? Forgetaboutit! The cartels aren't  known for their adherence to the law. Now you will just have giant "corporations" that are fighting to sell a legal product and will continue to use violent methods(the ones they know work) to make sure that they, not some rival, are the ones making money.

Add to that, if only pot is legalized, they just turn their attention to the other drugs that people do; even though the FARK Pot Brigade has promised me that once pot is legal, no one will want to do coke, heroin, meth, etc...


If legal, the economics favor local production and distribution and a Cottage Industry.
Cartels and Feds are out of the business.
 
2014-01-22 02:36:38 PM

Loki009: For this trip there was also a "K&R insurance" (kidnap and ransom) policy. We were basically told that as long as we stayed calm and didnt do anything stupid it would be a 24 hour detour where we would be treated well and released once the insurance paid out


I've also been briefed, selected a series of proof-of-life words and phrases and had my employer take out (astonishingly expensive) K&R coverage for some warring hellholes back when I was going to such places. Never had to use it, but selecting those phrases makes you feel very small and helpless indeed.
 
2014-01-22 02:37:02 PM

The Southern Logic Company: Hey, it looks like my "Summon CygnusDarius" spell works after all!

CygnusDarius:
So... Why are there no massive protests of every single citizen in the country?:

[img.fark.net image 650x450]

So what you're saying is that if the US hadn't helped Mexico get into the WC there would have been real social change in Mexico?  Well damn.


Actually, yes. Pissed off people and no distractions= Change.
 
2014-01-22 03:42:00 PM
Mexico is overall a beautiful place, 'cept for the people.
/Live in the largest percentage hispanic population in US.
//They speak English better than I do.
///Cept Texas.
 
2014-01-22 04:05:34 PM
Should've sent in Machete
 
2014-01-22 06:26:06 PM

The Southern Logic Company: Hey, it looks like my "Summon CygnusDarius" spell works after all!


Also, it says Mexico. How will I not check the thread nor the article?.
 
2014-01-22 07:09:40 PM
Resident Muslim:

I'd be more scared of the Russian SWAT force.


It's both fascinating and sad how countries can become quagmires like that with no end in sight, especially once corruption severely infiltrates politics and the police.


/giggity-goo



I'd be far more scared of the Mexican cops.  With Russian cops atleast there's a 50% chance that you survive their ham-fisted attempt to rescue you.

Based on what I heard and read, Mexican cops may be the ones in the first place who kidnapped you and handed you over to whatever cartel family for ransom and a bit of torture.
 
2014-01-22 07:19:49 PM

Dadoody: Accurate headline. Many of the cops in Mexico are drug cartel enforcers or thugs themselves.

It has been that way for years.


not only cops but military. The founders of the ultra violent Zeta cartel were all former Army special forces guys.
 
2014-01-23 12:54:56 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Dadoody: Accurate headline. Many of the cops in Mexico are drug cartel enforcers or thugs themselves.

It has been that way for years.

not only cops but military. The founders of the ultra violent Zeta cartel were all former Army special forces guys.


That word, "former", it does not apply.
 
2014-01-23 12:56:26 PM

SirEattonHogg: Resident Muslim:

I'd be more scared of the Russian SWAT force.


It's both fascinating and sad how countries can become quagmires like that with no end in sight, especially once corruption severely infiltrates politics and the police.


/giggity-goo


I'd be far more scared of the Mexican cops.  With Russian cops atleast there's a 50% chance that you survive their ham-fisted attempt to rescue you.

Based on what I heard and read, Mexican cops may be the ones in the first place who kidnapped you and handed you over to whatever cartel family for ransom and a bit of torture.


I, for one, am happy that the Insurance Industry does not permit/support/endorse/enable that crap in the USA.
 
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