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(NPR)   New study shows that waves of over-privileged white kids taking over old neighborhoods, driving up prices, and pushing out the former non-white residents may actually be a good thing. Well, for the privileged white kids, anyway   (npr.org) divider line 106
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2014-01-22 09:02:33 AM
This story and it's study brought to you by the Association of the Rich and Over-Privileged  (AROP).
 
2014-01-22 09:02:47 AM
thestockmasters.com
 
2014-01-22 09:04:18 AM
The only people who biatch about gentrification are the gentrifiers who moved in last year and are upset about the gentrifiers moving in this year.
 
2014-01-22 09:04:41 AM
so, increased land values, improved small business opportunities... and you're mad about this why again?

maybe if your "pride in your community" extended beyond covering everything in gang graffiti and violence against outsiders, you wouldn't need to be displaced in the name of progress.
 
2014-01-22 09:07:31 AM
Getting wealthier people to move back would save Detroit.
 
2014-01-22 09:09:57 AM
Gentrification is good for property values? Who knew?
 
2014-01-22 09:10:46 AM
When are hipsters going to try and gentrify Detroit?
 
2014-01-22 09:11:52 AM
Here comes the neighborhood.
 
2014-01-22 09:13:19 AM
It was actually a close and personal look at gentrification that turned me into a Lib in the first place.  Now, I'm somewhat commiserate with it, as I eat at a lot of restaurants and shop at a lot of stores in areas that have been rebuilt.

I have to agree with the article.  The areas I've seen getting this treatment have always lost residents naturally and have empty buildings sitting around rotting.  As money starts to move in and rebuild, some people are bought out of their homes, certainly, but those homes often sell for higher values than they otherwise would have and, except for rental residents, those moves are mutual.

The rental residents, however, do need to be protected.  I'm fortunate to live in Tulsa in that respect - a wealthy philanthropist (who just died) led the charge for getting a lot of these areas rebuilt, and he also poured money into areas that remain low-income, and helped inspire others to do the same.  I drove into a low-income neighborhood the other day to find a giant duplex complex, all the homes being brand new builds, and all reserved for low-income residents.  There was probably housing enough for 300 families, and there were signs of other complexes going up.  This right across the highway from one of those gentrified areas.

Moral of the story: As long as we understand what our efforts at gentrification do, and make sure to financially support efforts to provide *good* housing and living areas for the people we displace, everyone wins and we can embiggen the entire city.
 
2014-01-22 09:13:19 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: so, increased land values, improved small business opportunities... and you're mad about this why again?

maybe if your "pride in your community" extended beyond covering everything in gang graffiti and violence against outsiders, you wouldn't need to be displaced in the name of progress.


But that's their "culture". You're being racist or classist or something when you point out that some subcultures are better than others. So just stop it!

See also: Responsibility for one's own actions.
 
2014-01-22 09:13:45 AM
White people coming = gentrification.
White people leaving = white flight.

Women and minorities hardest hit, as always.
 
2014-01-22 09:13:59 AM
White people drive up housing prices.  I don't really understand why, but all things being equal (as in accounting for income, size of house, upkeep, other racist stereotypes) staking a claim in cracker town is more expensive.
 
2014-01-22 09:15:44 AM
I'm really starting to be annoyed by the now constant use of tumblr buzzwords like privileged all over the place.
 
2014-01-22 09:15:46 AM

markfara: The_Original_Roxtar: so, increased land values, improved small business opportunities... and you're mad about this why again?

maybe if your "pride in your community" extended beyond covering everything in gang graffiti and violence against outsiders, you wouldn't need to be displaced in the name of progress.

But that's their "culture". You're being racist or classist or something when you point out that some subcultures are better than others. So just stop it!

See also: Responsibility for one's own actions.


You sound lower middle class.
 
2014-01-22 09:16:48 AM

markfara: But that's their "culture". You're being racist or classist or something when you point out that some subcultures are better than others. So just stop it!

See also: Responsibility for one's own actions.


I could see being "subbist" meaning something on Fark.
 
2014-01-22 09:17:20 AM
Central East Austin seen nodding in agreement.  Or would be if they had not all packed up and had to move to North East Austin.

There are still a few holdouts down there, but man not many.
 
2014-01-22 09:17:22 AM

GORDON: White people leaving = white flight.


I call it the Cash Dash.

It doesn't matter what color you are, if you can afford it, you get the f*ck out of the ghetto.
 
2014-01-22 09:17:52 AM
For those of you who cant read more than 2 paragraphs into any story the research (you know, that sciency type stuff) is showing that the benefits do seem to be extended to most people (including 'poor' people) in the gentrifying areas.

Yes you will get the standard anecdotes about a guy who knew a guy who was forced to move under a bridge but between letting it fall down and a few unfortunate outcomes mixed in with generally good things happening I'll take gentrification.

/the alternative is to keep building new shiny things farther and father out into the suburbs... of course rather than being made of things like stone, cement, and oak, the facades are all plastic over plywood which should look like total shiat about 5 seconds after the money leaves the area somewhere down the line.
 
2014-01-22 09:21:23 AM

markeology: Here comes the neighborhood.


*golf clap*
 
2014-01-22 09:21:51 AM

orclover: Central East Austin seen nodding in agreement.  Or would be if they had not all packed up and had to move to North East Austin.

There are still a few holdouts down there, but man not many.


Is that where The Liberty is located.  It's been a few years since I was there, but those areas seemed to be in an early stage of gentrification.
 
2014-01-22 09:28:00 AM

Rapmaster2000: markfara: The_Original_Roxtar: so, increased land values, improved small business opportunities... and you're mad about this why again?

maybe if your "pride in your community" extended beyond covering everything in gang graffiti and violence against outsiders, you wouldn't need to be displaced in the name of progress.

But that's their "culture". You're being racist or classist or something when you point out that some subcultures are better than others. So just stop it!

See also: Responsibility for one's own actions.

You sound lower middle class.


Yes, but it's not my fault.
 
2014-01-22 09:28:54 AM
over-privileged white kids taking over old neighborhoods, driving up prices, and pushing out the former non-white residents
~

Interesting to note if the same thing happens in reverse - non-white residents taking over white neighborhoods - the same racial group are the moral bad guys. This sort of demographic shift is labelled "white flight."

This sorta subtle racism is freaken everywhere. White people are always the Germans.

i42.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-22 09:29:15 AM
I'm all for gentrification since most people end up winners, except for renters who see their rent increase at a higher rate than their wages.

If you own a rental property and person A is willing and able to pay $2,000 a month and person B can only afford $800 a month, then sorry person B you need to find a new place to live. On the hand, low - income people shouldn't be completely screwed but I'm not sure what an equitable solution would be.
 
2014-01-22 09:30:48 AM
Property developers push to make target commercial neighborhoods look seedier by running down their holdings and also buying out people who have to sell at a loss. It's usually a decade long poker game to see what rube gentrifies first while the pack waits to cash in. Many times a city will hand out tax breaks for the revitalizing of an area of town.
 
2014-01-22 09:31:05 AM

Tatsuma: I'm really starting to be annoyed by the now constant use of tumblr buzzwords like privileged all over the place.


This.  How did this become accepted pretty much overnight?
 
2014-01-22 09:32:24 AM
Complaining that euro-americans bringing civilization back whilst african-americans complain that the neighborhoods that they destroyed and took from euro-americans who rightfully stole it from the native-americans in the first place. blah-blah-blah.
 
2014-01-22 09:32:59 AM
'Gentrification' is no longer a dirty word, simple because being against 'the man' and using associated vocabulary (i.e. the average thought-pattern of an arts major), is losing its romantic feel. It's easy to be meaninglessly idealistic when it's not crisis.
 
2014-01-22 09:33:18 AM

Rapmaster2000: The only people who biatch about gentrification are the gentrifiers who moved in last year and are upset about the gentrifiers moving in this year.


That should be on Brooklyn's crest.
 
2014-01-22 09:33:21 AM

markeology: Here comes the neighborhood.


1st time I have loled at fark in a while.

clap.jpg
 
2014-01-22 09:35:55 AM

The Southern Logic Company: This. How did this become accepted pretty much overnight?


I don't know it's like I blinked and now that shiat is everywhere. It's like with the rise of tumblr a very small but very vocal segment of SJWs have managed to hijack the discourse while most of us are just confused why the news is starting to push that bullshiat full time.

These are the same people who also dogpile people and ask for them to lose their jobs the second they say something that they disagree with. Not even something extreme or hateful, just something they disagree with.

Two guys crack jokes about dongle at a conference? Clearly they need to be publicly shamed and lose their jobs for doing what everyone everywhere does.
 
2014-01-22 09:36:47 AM

The Southern Logic Company: Tatsuma: I'm really starting to be annoyed by the now constant use of tumblr buzzwords like privileged all over the place.

This.  How did this become accepted pretty much overnight?


About the time 'entitled' became a descriptor for the behavior of any person I don't like.  See also 'hipster'.
 
2014-01-22 09:37:22 AM
I'm looking at a $100k, 1900 square-foot 4-bedroom in a good school district today, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2014-01-22 09:39:14 AM
As a middle class white dude in a gentrifying neighborhood, I'm getting a kick.

When I first moved in, my street was a mix of GM redneck and struggling musicians.  Chambodia was threatening to come up the street and get us (nothing wrong with that).  I picked up my house for cheap and I was happy. Close to everything. And a semi decent school district to boot.

Now...I am surrounded by 4000 sq. ft. McMansion's filled with entitled yuppies.  I get calls daily from developers who haven't come up to my price yet.  All the cool funkiness that made the place home is gone. The BOE went insane 10 years ago and is just now coming off probation.  And I am ready to retire.

Financially, I'll make out like a bandit.  But it doesn't mean I have to like it.
 
2014-01-22 09:41:47 AM

Another Government Employee: Financially, I'll make out like a bandit. But it doesn't mean I have to like it.


You've already set a high enough price for you to move out. You'll be making incredible band and will be able to move to a new neighborhood that's more to your liking. It's pretty much a faux-pas to be complaining about your situation when you're going to be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in pure profit. Also a better place to live. Just sayin.
 
2014-01-22 09:42:41 AM

markeology: Here comes the neighborhood.

~

You know sometimes when ya hear an old saying, or maybe someone cracks a flippant-sounding pun.... but you've had about four bong hits and ya start thinking about it.... and you discover more levels of lulz, or maybe unlock a deeper meaning....


You just gave me one of those.


//   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0zjorR68A
 
2014-01-22 09:42:56 AM

BitwiseShift: Property developers push to make target commercial neighborhoods look seedier by running down their holdings and also buying out people who have to sell at a loss. It's usually a decade long poker game to see what rube gentrifies first while the pack waits to cash in. Many times a city will hand out tax breaks for the revitalizing of an area of town.


I've seen one of the most amazing "gentrifications" ever.  This was decidedly not the case.  The city out and out TARGETED the worst parts of town violently.  I am being literal.  Homeless people were beaten in the streets in an effort to drive them out of town.  No charges, no arrest, just sleeping bums beaten with nightsticks to "wake them up" then told to keep walking.

They then pumped public development projects into the area (roads paved, performing arts theatre refurbished, baseball stadium built, park revitalized).  The only tax break I know of is the city slashing property taxes to rebuild a hotel from the 1920s that was being used as a 10 floor crack house.  I've been to parties there, it was a fair environment for a keg party or smoking some crack.

There was no game to drive down prices, it was unnecessary.  Why target a slowing neighborhood when you can just pick one that's blighted and/or already a shiathole.  They might do this to make a purchase or two (like snapping up a few houses to build an apartment complex), but it's not going to go over with an entire part of town.
 
2014-01-22 09:43:14 AM

Another Government Employee: As a middle class white dude in a gentrifying neighborhood, I'm getting a kick.

When I first moved in, my street was a mix of GM redneck and struggling musicians.  Chambodia was threatening to come up the street and get us (nothing wrong with that).  I picked up my house for cheap and I was happy. Close to everything. And a semi decent school district to boot.

Now...I am surrounded by 4000 sq. ft. McMansion's filled with entitled yuppies.  I get calls daily from developers who haven't come up to my price yet.  All the cool funkiness that made the place home is gone. The BOE went insane 10 years ago and is just now coming off probation.  And I am ready to retire.

Financially, I'll make out like a bandit.  But it doesn't mean I have to like it.


10/10
 
2014-01-22 09:46:59 AM

YixilTesiphon: I'm looking at a $100k, 1900 square-foot 4-bedroom in a good school district today, so I'm getting a kick...


Just thought I would leave this here for you: how much will my house really cost?
 
2014-01-22 09:47:24 AM

Tatsuma: The Southern Logic Company: This. How did this become accepted pretty much overnight?

I don't know it's like I blinked and now that shiat is everywhere. It's like with the rise of tumblr a very small but very vocal segment of SJWs have managed to hijack the discourse while most of us are just confused why the news is starting to push that bullshiat full time.

These are the same people who also dogpile people and ask for them to lose their jobs the second they say something that they disagree with. Not even something extreme or hateful, just something they disagree with.

Two guys crack jokes about dongle at a conference? Clearly they need to be publicly shamed and lose their jobs for doing what everyone everywhere does.


Whoa there, Mr. CIS-gendered, hetero normative, transmisogynist, you need to check your privilege and learn my pronouns.

But really, I'm mostly left leaning but manufactured outrage from these people has become rather annoying. It hasn't made me a Republican, but now I just hate everything.
 
2014-01-22 09:50:18 AM
I've always laughed at those who recoiled at the word 'gentrification'; staying in a neighborhood that is improving has benefits, and certainly merits paying a few extra dollars of property tax. the fact that some may not be able to afford to is no terrible crime, its simply life. The fac tthat much of the 'problems' of gentrification were imagined, or manufactured completely doesn't surprise me at all, much like every other horrible fear invented by progressives
 
2014-01-22 09:50:25 AM

Rapmaster2000: orclover: Central East Austin seen nodding in agreement.  Or would be if they had not all packed up and had to move to North East Austin.

There are still a few holdouts down there, but man not many.

Is that where The Liberty is located.  It's been a few years since I was there, but those areas seemed to be in an early stage of gentrification.


I had to look it up but apparently yes.  East 1st through east 11th.  I'm worried that east Rundberg will be next in the cities sites for the Gentrification bomb.  Sure it will get rid of the crime but where the hell do you put the tens of thousands of residents living here?  I mean other than Notmyproblemville.
 
2014-01-22 09:52:11 AM
My neighborhood has gentrified over the past decade.  Let me tell you, it's an amazing thing to watch the transformation firsthand.

Yes, some people get bought out, but not by force - they just get offered prices that are better than they'd ever seen before and decide it's worthwhile to move. Rents have gone up, and the renter demographic has certainly changed, but I don't think that's a bad thing. None of the renters used to stay more than a few years. Now we have long-term neighbors who work nearby and actually care about the neighborhood.

If you're curious about the neighborhood, look up Brewery Vivant.
 
2014-01-22 09:56:40 AM

Big Ramifications: This sort of demographic shift is labelled "white flight."

This sorta subtle racism is freaken everywhere. White people are always the Germans.


Woah. Got beaten to the punch a few times. There was only 1 comment when I started typing. PREVIEWING for extra comments is for pussies.

Playing "soldiers" back at little-tackers school, when we were setting up the ground rules, there was always an argument over who would play the Germans. [There was always a small gang of kids who never volunteer to be Germans. Nevar. Evarr ]
 
2014-01-22 09:57:46 AM

dfacto: When are hipsters going to try and gentrify Detroit?


It's been happening for some time on a small scale.

The City of Detroit has offered writers who move to the Detroit an offer they can't refuse on housing. Artists have been moving to Detroit as well because artists need large airy well-lit studios that would be upperclass fixer-uppers in places like New York. Artists also need low rents. Detroit is perfect for many of them. It gets that understated Northerly light that many artists cherish so much.

These are the lowest income groups in the gentrification food web and are often early colonizers of places that are otherwise uninhabitable, such as Seattle. (But we love yah, Seattle. We just don't want your damned weather.)

The kind of people who squat in old houses and claim them under Homesteader's acts from the 19th Century are probably moving in as well, while some of the suburbs are being turned into farmland by hippies and residents alike. To these people, houses are like hermit crab shells--you occupy, you grow, you move. They will take a free house or one that is purchased dirt cheap and work on it for five years or so and then sell it at a massive profit. Such people operate by building houses as well. They sell as "sale by owner" but the houses they build are often the same cheap ticky tacky little boxes that you find in a row in every lower middle class suburb. It's a bit of a con, but caveat emptor.

In short, the natural process of reclamation is going on despite all the bad news you hear and has been for quite a few years.

What is needed is new industry and commercial development to restore the economy devastated by the Great Recession and by the exodus of the automobile industry to slave wage states in the South or high profit plants in Canada, where you can get very well educated workers with healthcare plans at a discount.

But I believe that Detroit will make a comeback, perhaps smaller and perhaps based on new business plans, but as a viable but slightly smaller city.

Gentrification is a natural process like the regrowth of forests and meadows on land that is burned over or logged. It is rather like the constant shuffle of hermit crabs from one empty shell to another. In fact, hermit crabs seem happy to live in tin cans or other human detritus since it does the same job as a shell and can be roomier or more durable, thus reducing the risks and costs of moving to larger quarters.

There's a whole ecological system that renovates and rebuilds neighborhoods in cities. It starts when the rich move out of their beautiful homes and the professional middle classes move in and it continues until the poor move out of the beautiful ruined homes and the artists and lower-middle class bohemians move in. Once the neighborhood is fixed (over-priced) the wealthy professionals who like to think of themselves as bohemian move in and the real bohemians move on to the next reclamation project. The real poor may indeed benefit from this shell game. In any case, the real poor tend to move each time the rent comes due or goes up, always looking for cheaper rents and jobs and places that still have botegas and independent grocery stores.

I think the late great leftie urbanist Jane Jacobs would approve. She moved to Toronto before Toronto was chic.

Here is an article on her masterwork:  The Death and Life of Great American Cities

God bless her. She was a visionary's visionary. She stood up to not only the rich but their modernist esthetic. To my mind, Modernism is passé, or should be.  Only rich people can afford empty space, giant statues and paintings, and minimalist lifestyles and art. Them and corporations with warehouses to fill with loot that will keep its value through thick and thin.

Even the super-rich are putting away 90% of their stuff in storage nowadays. Blast them! That stuff should be in the homes of poor hardworking one percenters.
 
2014-01-22 09:58:03 AM

Enlightened Liberal: Whoa there, Mr. CIS-gendered, hetero normative, transmisogynist, you need to check your privilege and learn my pronouns.

But really, I'm mostly left leaning but manufactured outrage from these people has become rather annoying. It hasn't made me a Republican, but now I just hate everything.


The whole xir-zhe-them thing is just so farking confusingly ridiculous. It's like a generation that grew up being told how special they are and constantly just took selfies hit 20 and flooded the internet with cries of being taken seriously on their own terms. They are so incredibly unique they need to invent terms that describes them and only them. That's why I love that joke:

What's the difference between someone who's bisexual and someone who's pansexual? The bisexual is attracted to both sexes while the pansexual is attracted to attention.

Because of that shiat and companies thinking that because these people have a loud voice online that they represent the public and they need to cater to them. That's why NPR publishes simultaneously articles blaming white people for gentrification and the next day for white flight. Why you have a controversy over a team named after Native Americans. The name stood for decades, but thank Heavens we had some white liberals to suddenly get offended for minorities who were not in the least bothered by something. How I Met Your Mother makes a kung-fu parody?

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-22 09:58:06 AM

reillan: It was actually a close and personal look at gentrification that turned me into a Lib in the first place.  Now, I'm somewhat commiserate with it, as I eat at a lot of restaurants and shop at a lot of stores in areas that have been rebuilt.

I have to agree with the article.  The areas I've seen getting this treatment have always lost residents naturally and have empty buildings sitting around rotting.  As money starts to move in and rebuild, some people are bought out of their homes, certainly, but those homes often sell for higher values than they otherwise would have and, except for rental residents, those moves are mutual.

The rental residents, however, do need to be protected.  I'm fortunate to live in Tulsa in that respect - a wealthy philanthropist (who just died) led the charge for getting a lot of these areas rebuilt, and he also poured money into areas that remain low-income, and helped inspire others to do the same.  I drove into a low-income neighborhood the other day to find a giant duplex complex, all the homes being brand new builds, and all reserved for low-income residents.  There was probably housing enough for 300 families, and there were signs of other complexes going up.  This right across the highway from one of those gentrified areas.

Moral of the story: As long as we understand what our efforts at gentrification do, and make sure to financially support efforts to provide *good* housing and living areas for the people we displace, everyone wins and we can embiggen the entire city.


I believe this is the first time anyone has uttered the phrase "I'm fortunate to live in Tulsa."
 
2014-01-22 09:58:56 AM

sigdiamond2000: Another Government Employee: As a middle class white dude in a gentrifying neighborhood, I'm getting a kick.

When I first moved in, my street was a mix of GM redneck and struggling musicians.  Chambodia was threatening to come up the street and get us (nothing wrong with that).  I picked up my house for cheap and I was happy. Close to everything. And a semi decent school district to boot.

Now...I am surrounded by 4000 sq. ft. McMansion's filled with entitled yuppies.  I get calls daily from developers who haven't come up to my price yet.  All the cool funkiness that made the place home is gone. The BOE went insane 10 years ago and is just now coming off probation.  And I am ready to retire.

Financially, I'll make out like a bandit.  But it doesn't mean I have to like it.

10/10


I only wish it were a troll.
 
2014-01-22 10:04:17 AM

Enlightened Liberal: Tatsuma: The Southern Logic Company: This. How did this become accepted pretty much overnight?

I don't know it's like I blinked and now that shiat is everywhere. It's like with the rise of tumblr a very small but very vocal segment of SJWs have managed to hijack the discourse while most of us are just confused why the news is starting to push that bullshiat full time.

These are the same people who also dogpile people and ask for them to lose their jobs the second they say something that they disagree with. Not even something extreme or hateful, just something they disagree with.

Two guys crack jokes about dongle at a conference? Clearly they need to be publicly shamed and lose their jobs for doing what everyone everywhere does.

Whoa there, Mr. CIS-gendered, hetero normative, transmisogynist, you need to check your privilege and learn my pronouns.

But really, I'm mostly left leaning but manufactured outrage from these people has become rather annoying. It hasn't made me a Republican, but now I just hate everything.


"Manufactured outrage" is exactly the right word for it.  We get outraged for a good reason, to prompt people into action to right a wrong.  Constant outrage is like the boy who cried wolf, why am I supposed to care?

I agree with most SJWs in principal but I despise them for their tactics.  Its like the Tea Party of the left
 
2014-01-22 10:07:12 AM
+1 for 'will mae

Another Government Employee: As a middle class white dude in a gentrifying neighborhood, I'm getting a kick.

When I first moved in, my street was a mix of GM redneck and struggling musicians.  Chambodia was threatening to come up the street and get us (nothing wrong with that).  I picked up my house for cheap and I was happy. Close to everything. And a semi decent school district to boot.

Now...I am surrounded by 4000 sq. ft. McMansion's filled with entitled yuppies.  I get calls daily from developers who haven't come up to my price yet.  All the cool funkiness that made the place home is gone. The BOE went insane 10 years ago and is just now coming off probation.  And I am ready to retire.

Financially, I'll make out like a bandit.  But it doesn't mean I have to like it.


+1 for 'will make out like a bandit'. but only if I move out of London when I sell, else I'll just face crazy prices to buy

fortunately im not surrounded by mcmansions, so no desire to sell right now
 
2014-01-22 10:15:10 AM
gentrification: people should live in specific parts of town based on their skin color.

somehow, this is not racist.
 
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