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2014-01-22 11:50:45 AM

DeaH: Vagina Boob: Sheesh.  You guys were cool as the underdog.  Now you're a bunch of oversized assholes.

I know, right? I mean black people were cool until they insisted on being served at lunch counters.


But in all fairness, the civil rights movement didn't have pretend crimes (Joe Williams, Ashley Todd) and faked rapes (Patricia Miller, Morgan Triplett) or even real crimes (Tastes Like Hate).  The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. also embraced the bible, something the gay community likes to reject.

The Civil Rights Movement just had more class and respect, definitive goals.  Meanwhile, the LGBT movement is all over the map.  It's like they're just chasing down pockets of conservatism.  The LGBT needs a charismatic leader to rope the bullshiat in.  Target gay marriage maybe?  Skip the waffle fries?


media-3.web.britannica.com

johnnycirucci.com
 
2014-01-22 11:53:37 AM

RaceBoatDriver: DeaH: Vagina Boob: Sheesh.  You guys were cool as the underdog.  Now you're a bunch of oversized assholes.

I know, right? I mean black people were cool until they insisted on being served at lunch counters.

But in all fairness, the civil rights movement didn't have pretend crimes (Joe Williams, Ashley Todd) and faked rapes (Patricia Miller, Morgan Triplett) or even real crimes (Tastes Like Hate).  The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. also embraced the bible, something the gay community likes to reject.

The Civil Rights Movement just had more class and respect, definitive goals.  Meanwhile, the LGBT movement is all over the map.  It's like they're just chasing down pockets of conservatism.  The LGBT needs a charismatic leader to rope the bullshiat in.  Target gay marriage maybe?  Skip the waffle fries?


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Somebody once said something to the effect of

~"Before society can accept something they fear, they first have to laugh at it"

Wish I could remember who said and the context.
 
2014-01-22 11:56:19 AM

InterruptingQuirk: RaceBoatDriver: DeaH: Vagina Boob: Sheesh.  You guys were cool as the underdog.  Now you're a bunch of oversized assholes.

I know, right? I mean black people were cool until they insisted on being served at lunch counters.

But in all fairness, the civil rights movement didn't have pretend crimes (Joe Williams, Ashley Todd) and faked rapes (Patricia Miller, Morgan Triplett) or even real crimes (Tastes Like Hate).  The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. also embraced the bible, something the gay community likes to reject.

The Civil Rights Movement just had more class and respect, definitive goals.  Meanwhile, the LGBT movement is all over the map.  It's like they're just chasing down pockets of conservatism.  The LGBT needs a charismatic leader to rope the bullshiat in.  Target gay marriage maybe?  Skip the waffle fries?


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[johnnycirucci.com image 400x300]

Somebody once said something to the effect of

~"Before society can accept something they fear, they first have to laugh at it"

Wish I could remember who said and the context.


???

But if it helps, I voted against prop 8.
 
2014-01-22 11:57:37 AM

Gdalescrboz: my lip balm addiction: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Just outing the bigots so they know who not to do business with.

Why are they bigots? Really, why? They think gay marriage is wrong. Gays think being against gay marriage is wrong, does that make them a bigot? I don't see where being a bigot comes on to play here


It's actually very simple. Discriminating against a protected class makes you a bigot. Not tolerating bigots does not make someone a bigot.

Do you get it yet? Probably not. It's a little too simple for even your mind.
 
2014-01-22 11:59:41 AM

flondrix: Dimensio: This person's discrimination is motivated by religious belief, therefore it must be allowed. Religious belief creates special justification otherwise not present for objectionable behaviour.

A picture of some guys whose discrimination is motivated by religious belief:
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That is different and does not count because reasons and furthermore.
 
2014-01-22 12:00:19 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Yes, because libs won't be happy until we're all teh gay.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. I bet you're a hoot at parties.
 
2014-01-22 12:04:19 PM

HenryFnord: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

"No coloreds"


Speaking of ... down here in Daytona Beach area, we naturally have a lot of bikers (Outlaws has a chapter right here that I drive by from time to time when in that area) and with bikers comes bars that cater to them.

On some of these bars they have signs that say "No Colors"... my GF (who is from up north originally) saw the sign as we drove by one and started freaking out about how bad the South is with racism, until I explained it had nothing to do with black people and explained the purpose of it and what it means.

Wonder how many people get their panties in a bunch over those signs...
 
2014-01-22 12:05:37 PM

InterruptingQuirk: ciberido: THE GREAT NAME: Yes, because libs won't be happy until we're all teh gay.


Yes.  It's part of our sinister plan to fight global warming by turning everyone gay and thus causing the human population to dwindle.  But shhh!  Don't tell anyone!  It's a secret.

/ Came for the impotent homophobic poutrage, and I can see this thread is going to deliver.

// People at the grocery store are starting to wonder why I'm buying so much popcorn.

Would you like to see where some of this paranoia started?

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What's your point?  Just because an idea comes up in brainstorming and is recorded doesn't mean that the next person to speak didn't say "That's stupid and barbaric."
 
2014-01-22 12:06:16 PM
If this guy wants to change his business model and run his operation as a time share or members-only social club, he's welcome to do that... to be clear, what he wants is to get all the tax breaks of being a business (including deducting all his business expenses and other neat perks of being a business), but he doesn't want to follow any of the rules of actually being a business.
 
2014-01-22 12:08:38 PM
Hey t - h maggie!!
Missed you sat.
 
2014-01-22 12:11:52 PM
 

DrPainMD: Gay marriage: because everybody has the right to freedom of association.

Anti-discrimination laws: because people don't have the right to freedom of association.

In the immortal words of the great philosopher Townshend: "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."


God you're dumb. Didn't someone just yesterday already correct you on your false understanding of freedom of association? And you're already back today repeating the same lies as if it's groundhogs day and you can't remember being corrected.

Plonk.
 
2014-01-22 12:14:47 PM

blottoman: Hey t - h maggie!!
Missed you sat.


Yea, I was sad I missed it but I fell asleep early. Too much burning the candle at both ends.

/Wait that sound oddly sexual.
 
2014-01-22 12:16:22 PM

RaceBoatDriver: DeaH: Vagina Boob: Sheesh.  You guys were cool as the underdog.  Now you're a bunch of oversized assholes.

I know, right? I mean black people were cool until they insisted on being served at lunch counters.

But in all fairness, the civil rights movement didn't have pretend crimes (Joe Williams, Ashley Todd) and faked rapes (Patricia Miller, Morgan Triplett) or even real crimes (Tastes Like Hate).  The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. also embraced the bible, something the gay community likes to reject.

The Civil Rights Movement just had more class and respect, definitive goals.  Meanwhile, the LGBT movement is all over the map.  It's like they're just chasing down pockets of conservatism.  The LGBT needs a charismatic leader to rope the bullshiat in.  Target gay marriage maybe?  Skip the waffle fries?


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It didn't really have more definitive goals, aside from just the general "equal rights"... the Civil Rights Movement included everything from inter-racial marriage to ending Jim Crow Laws to changing bus rules/laws to changing the legal status of lunch counter discrimination... I'm sure people in the period also thought the black people of the time should focus on one thing, instead of demanding equality in all protections of law.
 
2014-01-22 12:19:46 PM

justtray: DrPainMD: Gay marriage: because everybody has the right to freedom of association.

Anti-discrimination laws: because people don't have the right to freedom of association.

In the immortal words of the great philosopher Townshend: "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

God you're dumb. Didn't someone just yesterday already correct you on your false understanding of freedom of association? And you're already back today repeating the same lies as if it's groundhogs day and you can't remember being corrected.

Plonk.


One trick ponies. Just can't accept that some states have passed laws that say a public business can't discriminate against people they find icky.
 
2014-01-22 12:24:51 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: blottoman: Hey t - h maggie!!
Missed you sat.

Yea, I was sad I missed it but I fell asleep early. Too much burning the candle at both ends.

/Wait that sound oddly sexual.


Mmmmm candles... next sat sister :)
 
2014-01-22 12:25:19 PM

RaceBoatDriver: But in all fairness, the civil rights movement didn't have pretend crimes (Joe Williams, Ashley Todd) and faked rapes (Patricia Miller, Morgan Triplett) or even real crimes (Tastes Like Hate).  The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. also embraced the bible, something the gay community likes to reject.


Because the bible is really germane to the discussion of laws in a secular nation?

 Also he was a great American, a visionary leader, an amazing speaker and only an average christian.
 
2014-01-22 12:25:25 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Penoatle:

Again though, I could care less. Just trying to figure out the full issue to these bandwagons people hop on.

Well then you probably SHOULD care less and stop posting.

Seriously, get your phrases correct if you're going to attempt superiority.


Between the Libertarian "I can do anything I like with my business" nonsense and the homophobia, we really had enough going on in this thread already without anyone turning into a Grammar Nazi, but what the hell.  I take it you're trying to "correct" the expression "I could care less" and trying to push the misconception that it's wrong?

Seriously, get your phrases correct if you're going to attempt superiority.
 
2014-01-22 12:25:47 PM
I thought you had to be gay in order to patronize a B&B.
 
2014-01-22 12:28:26 PM

Egoy3k: InterruptingQuirk: ciberido: THE GREAT NAME: Yes, because libs won't be happy until we're all teh gay.


Yes.  It's part of our sinister plan to fight global warming by turning everyone gay and thus causing the human population to dwindle.  But shhh!  Don't tell anyone!  It's a secret.

/ Came for the impotent homophobic poutrage, and I can see this thread is going to deliver.

// People at the grocery store are starting to wonder why I'm buying so much popcorn.

Would you like to see where some of this paranoia started?

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What's your point?  Just because an idea comes up in brainstorming and is recorded doesn't mean that the next person to speak didn't say "That's stupid and barbaric."


Well, to be fair, this was a memo sent by the VP of the group to the group and which the group then published. So, it got a little beyond that.
 
2014-01-22 12:32:10 PM

THE GREAT NAME: DrPainMD: Dr. Whoof: You know, I like these folks, people who will take a stand that is not only unpopular now, but will be judged as downright evil by future historians.  History needs its villains, and bravo for all these bigoted farks providing fodder for those thirty to forty years from now who need people to hold up as examples of real human evil. Much like the anti-civil rights folks of the 60s, and the Nazis before them, these folks are providing a valuable service, being history's douchenozzles.

You obviously don't understand the progressive mindset. In the future, something that YOU do or say today is going to get you put in the same group as the B&B owner in this story. Because progressivism is never achieved; it keeps morphing into something else in order to have continuous outrage and something new to control. Jim Crow laws were brought to us by the progressives, so the B&B owner would be a model progressive 60 years ago. The movement will turn on you just as it turned on him.

This is very true and I will add that things like anti-semitism, eugenics and racial supremicism *were* the progressive ideas of their day.

[citationneeded] Progressives only morphed toward other causes *after* the true consequences of those ideas became known. [citationneeded]  Just like progressives used to insist that Soviet Russia was a workable alternative to western hegemony *right up to* when the Berlin wall came down. [citationneeded]  Soon, when the foolishness of climate alarmism becomes unavoidable, those progressives will go and find something else to latch on to. As Dr Pain points out, Dr Whoof might fall foul of it. Indeed, for this reason, most progressives are miserable during the latter part of their lives.[citationneeded]

Sounds like something you tell around the conservative camp fire.
 
2014-01-22 12:32:32 PM

KellyX: HenryFnord: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

"No coloreds"

Speaking of ... down here in Daytona Beach area, we naturally have a lot of bikers (Outlaws has a chapter right here that I drive by from time to time when in that area) and with bikers comes bars that cater to them.

On some of these bars they have signs that say "No Colors"... my GF (who is from up north originally) saw the sign as we drove by one and started freaking out about how bad the South is with racism, until I explained it had nothing to do with black people and explained the purpose of it and what it means.

Wonder how many people get their panties in a bunch over those signs...


There are other reasons for showing colors which have nothing to do with gang affiliation.
 
2014-01-22 12:33:43 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Egoy3k: InterruptingQuirk: ciberido: THE GREAT NAME: Yes, because libs won't be happy until we're all teh gay.


Yes.  It's part of our sinister plan to fight global warming by turning everyone gay and thus causing the human population to dwindle.  But shhh!  Don't tell anyone!  It's a secret.

/ Came for the impotent homophobic poutrage, and I can see this thread is going to deliver.

// People at the grocery store are starting to wonder why I'm buying so much popcorn.

Would you like to see where some of this paranoia started?

[img.fark.net image 850x656]

What's your point?  Just because an idea comes up in brainstorming and is recorded doesn't mean that the next person to speak didn't say "That's stupid and barbaric."

Well, to be fair, this was a memo sent by the VP of the group to the group and which the group then published. So, it got a little beyond that.


Yes a memo detailing "Examples of proposed measures to reduce US fertility..."  so yeah once again, just because something was 'proposed' doesn't mean that it was considered a good idea.
 
2014-01-22 12:39:25 PM

Egoy3k: InterruptingQuirk: Egoy3k: InterruptingQuirk: ciberido: THE GREAT NAME: Yes, because libs won't be happy until we're all teh gay.


Yes.  It's part of our sinister plan to fight global warming by turning everyone gay and thus causing the human population to dwindle.  But shhh!  Don't tell anyone!  It's a secret.

/ Came for the impotent homophobic poutrage, and I can see this thread is going to deliver.

// People at the grocery store are starting to wonder why I'm buying so much popcorn.

Would you like to see where some of this paranoia started?

[img.fark.net image 850x656]

What's your point?  Just because an idea comes up in brainstorming and is recorded doesn't mean that the next person to speak didn't say "That's stupid and barbaric."

Well, to be fair, this was a memo sent by the VP of the group to the group and which the group then published. So, it got a little beyond that.

Yes a memo detailing "Examples of proposed measures to reduce US fertility..."  so yeah once again, just because something was 'proposed' doesn't mean that it was considered a good idea.


I think an objective look at the following forty years might bear out a slightly different view. I don't have a dog in this race other than some simple appreciation for differing perspectives and, as I said when I posted this in response to somebody else, this was merely lending a eye towards where people come up with the ideas they have about what some people want to achieve in this world.
 
2014-01-22 12:41:36 PM

mistrmind: Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.


No, the original issue with Chik-Fil-A wasn't just Cathy's personal opinions.  It was where the money from Chik-Fil-A's sales were going: specifically, every sandwich purchased meant money going to WinShape, an umbrella organization for numerous groups opposed to gay rights in the USA.  Also at one time Chik-Fil-A was contributing to efforts to pass a bill in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

Now, that may no longer be the case: later news reports indicate Chik-Fil-A has cut ties with some of those organizations and backed down on some of their anti-gay rhetoric.  But at the time, there was a very clear financial connection between Chik-Fil-A  and efforts to have gay people executed for homosexuality, among other things.

Also, there were, and probably still are, other issues with Chik-Fil-A such as firing employees for not being Christian (or for being female).  But let's just stick to the efforts to kill gay people, shall we?

You should know this before mouthing off: it makes you look either dishonest or stupid to ignore such pertinent facts.
 
2014-01-22 12:45:19 PM
It's actually very simple. Discriminating against a protected class makes you a bigot. Not tolerating bigots does not make someone a bigot.
Do you get it yet? Probably not. It's a little too simple for even your mind


Pot, meet kettle. Your thought process is akin to a 10 year old. Bigot bigot bigot!!! Once I say that your argument is invalid!!!
 
2014-01-22 12:50:59 PM

InterruptingQuirk: KellyX: HenryFnord: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

"No coloreds"

Speaking of ... down here in Daytona Beach area, we naturally have a lot of bikers (Outlaws has a chapter right here that I drive by from time to time when in that area) and with bikers comes bars that cater to them.

On some of these bars they have signs that say "No Colors"... my GF (who is from up north originally) saw the sign as we drove by one and started freaking out about how bad the South is with racism, until I explained it had nothing to do with black people and explained the purpose of it and what it means.

Wonder how many people get their panties in a bunch over those signs...

There are other reasons for showing colors which have nothing to do with gang affiliation.


In this case, it has nothing to do with that other than they don't want different MC's fighting...
 
2014-01-22 12:56:12 PM

fariasrv: Close2TheEdge: The basic problem here is that while gay marriage may be legal, anti-discrimination laws against LGBT individuals are not on the books.

Actually, in Illinois there ARE anti-discrimination laws on the books, just like there are in Colorado (the asshole bakery case) and in Washington state (the other asshole bakery case).


mmm, baked assholes
 
2014-01-22 01:00:53 PM
To those defending this (sure you just aren't hoping to be able to use this against blacks again?):
How do you feel about the owners sending the Bible verses to the gay guys in question?
 
2014-01-22 01:01:56 PM

ciberido: mistrmind: Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.

No, the original issue with Chik-Fil-A wasn't just Cathy's personal opinions.  It was where the money from Chik-Fil-A's sales were going: specifically, every sandwich purchased meant money going to WinShape, an umbrella organization for numerous groups opposed to gay rights in the USA.  Also at one time Chik-Fil-A was contributing to efforts to pass a bill in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

Now, that may no longer be the case: later news reports indicate Chik-Fil-A has cut ties with some of those organizations and backed down on some of their anti-gay rhetoric.  But at the time, there was a very clear financial connection between Chik-Fil-A  and efforts to have gay people executed for homosexuality, among other things.

Also, there were, and probably still are, other issues with Chik-Fil-A such as firing employees for not being Christian (or for being female).  But let's just stick to the efforts to kill gay people, shall we?

You should know this before mouthing off: it makes you look either dishonest or stupid to ignore such pertinent facts.


Local Chick-fil-a has servers who are female (surprise surprise) and, get this, they don't ask if you are a homosexual before serving your a chicken sandwich, which would signify that perhaps they don't really care who you are, just as long as you are buying a chicken sandwich.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
2014-01-22 01:20:21 PM

mistrmind: ciberido: mistrmind: Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.

No, the original issue with Chik-Fil-A wasn't just Cathy's personal opinions.  It was where the money from Chik-Fil-A's sales were going: specifically, every sandwich purchased meant money going to WinShape, an umbrella organization for numerous groups opposed to gay rights in the USA.  Also at one time Chik-Fil-A was contributing to efforts to pass a bill in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

Now, that may no longer be the case: later news reports indicate Chik-Fil-A has cut ties with some of those organizations and backed down on some of their anti-gay rhetoric.  But at the time, there was a very clear financial connection between Chik-Fil-A  and efforts to have gay people executed for homosexuality, among other things.

Also, there were, and probably still are, other issues with Chik-Fil-A such as firing employees for not being Christian (or for being female).  But let's just stick to the efforts to kill gay people, shall we?

You should know this before mouthing off: it makes you look either dishonest or stupid to ignore such pertinent facts.

Local Chick-fil-a has servers who are female (surprise surprise) and, get this, they don't ask if you are a homosexual before serving your a chicken sandwich, which would signify that perhaps they don't really care who you are, just as long as you are buying a chicken sandwich.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


It's almost as if you can have an opinion about a company based on something other than whether they server you or not.
 
2014-01-22 01:28:44 PM

RaceBoatDriver: DeaH: Vagina Boob: Sheesh.  You guys were cool as the underdog.  Now you're a bunch of oversized assholes.

I know, right? I mean black people were cool until they insisted on being served at lunch counters.

But in all fairness, the civil rights movement didn't have pretend crimes (Joe Williams, Ashley Todd) and faked rapes (Patricia Miller, Morgan Triplett) or even real crimes (Tastes Like Hate).  The Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. also embraced the bible, something the gay community likes to reject.

The Civil Rights Movement just had more class and respect, definitive goals.  Meanwhile, the LGBT movement is all over the map.  It's like they're just chasing down pockets of conservatism.  The LGBT needs a charismatic leader to rope the bullshiat in.  Target gay marriage maybe?  Skip the waffle fries?


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[johnnycirucci.com image 400x300]


The gay rights movement has been one of the most non-violent civil rights movements that I have seen in my lifetime.  Because the gay marriage movement does not have a single identifiable leader (and Malcom X and other Civil Rights activists might want to have a word with you about your recall of history), we can feel free to infringe on the right to access public services?
 
2014-01-22 01:32:54 PM

mistrmind: ciberido: mistrmind: Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.

No, the original issue with Chik-Fil-A wasn't just Cathy's personal opinions.  It was where the money from Chik-Fil-A's sales were going: specifically, every sandwich purchased meant money going to WinShape, an umbrella organization for numerous groups opposed to gay rights in the USA.  Also at one time Chik-Fil-A was contributing to efforts to pass a bill in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

Now, that may no longer be the case: later news reports indicate Chik-Fil-A has cut ties with some of those organizations and backed down on some of their anti-gay rhetoric.  But at the time, there was a very clear financial connection between Chik-Fil-A  and efforts to have gay people executed for homosexuality, among other things.

Also, there were, and probably still are, other issues with Chik-Fil-A such as firing employees for not being Christian (or for being female).  But let's just stick to the efforts to kill gay people, shall we?

You should know this before mouthing off: it makes you look either dishonest or stupid to ignore such pertinent facts.

Local Chick-fil-a has servers who are female (surprise surprise) and, get this, they don't ask if you are a homosexual before serving your a chicken sandwich, which would signify that perhaps they don't really care who you are, just as long as you are buying a chicken sandwich.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


So, what you're saying is that Chik-fil-A, unlike the B&B, will not deny service to gay people?
 
2014-01-22 02:03:17 PM

DeaH: mistrmind: ciberido: mistrmind: Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.

No, the original issue with Chik-Fil-A wasn't just Cathy's personal opinions.  It was where the money from Chik-Fil-A's sales were going: specifically, every sandwich purchased meant money going to WinShape, an umbrella organization for numerous groups opposed to gay rights in the USA.  Also at one time Chik-Fil-A was contributing to efforts to pass a bill in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

Now, that may no longer be the case: later news reports indicate Chik-Fil-A has cut ties with some of those organizations and backed down on some of their anti-gay rhetoric.  But at the time, there was a very clear financial connection between Chik-Fil-A  and efforts to have gay people executed for homosexuality, among other things.

Also, there were, and probably still are, other issues with Chik-Fil-A such as firing employees for not being Christian (or for being female).  But let's just stick to the efforts to kill gay people, shall we?

You should know this before mouthing off: it makes you look either dishonest or stupid to ignore such pertinent facts.

Local Chick-fil-a has servers who are female (surprise surprise) and, get this, they don't ask if you are a homosexual before serving your a chicken sandwich, which would signify that perhaps they don't really care who you are, just as long as you are buying a chicken sandwich.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

So, what you're saying is that Chik-fil-A, unlike the B&B, will not deny service to gay people?


Looks that way, doesn't it.  Yet the LBGT community got their collective panties in a bunch over another person's beliefs.
 
2014-01-22 02:12:32 PM

mistrmind: DeaH: mistrmind: ciberido: mistrmind: Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.

No, the original issue with Chik-Fil-A wasn't just Cathy's personal opinions.  It was where the money from Chik-Fil-A's sales were going: specifically, every sandwich purchased meant money going to WinShape, an umbrella organization for numerous groups opposed to gay rights in the USA.  Also at one time Chik-Fil-A was contributing to efforts to pass a bill in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

Now, that may no longer be the case: later news reports indicate Chik-Fil-A has cut ties with some of those organizations and backed down on some of their anti-gay rhetoric.  But at the time, there was a very clear financial connection between Chik-Fil-A  and efforts to have gay people executed for homosexuality, among other things.

Also, there were, and probably still are, other issues with Chik-Fil-A such as firing employees for not being Christian (or for being female).  But let's just stick to the efforts to kill gay people, shall we?

You should know this before mouthing off: it makes you look either dishonest or stupid to ignore such pertinent facts.

Local Chick-fil-a has servers who are female (surprise surprise) and, get this, they don't ask if you are a homosexual before serving your a chicken sandwich, which would signify that perhaps they don't really care who you are, just as long as you are buying a chicken sandwich.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

So, what you're saying is that Chik-fil-A, unlike the B&B, will not deny service to gay people?

Looks that way, doesn't it.  Yet the LBGT community got their collective panties in a bunch over another person's beliefs. actions.


Spending money is an action.
 
2014-01-22 02:16:53 PM

DrPainMD: Gay marriage: because everybody has the right to freedom of association.

Anti-discrimination laws: because people don't have the right to freedom of association.

In the immortal words of the great philosopher Townshend: "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."



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2014-01-22 02:21:14 PM

Egoy3k: mistrmind: DeaH: mistrmind: ciberido: mistrmind: Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.

No, the original issue with Chik-Fil-A wasn't just Cathy's personal opinions.  It was where the money from Chik-Fil-A's sales were going: specifically, every sandwich purchased meant money going to WinShape, an umbrella organization for numerous groups opposed to gay rights in the USA.  Also at one time Chik-Fil-A was contributing to efforts to pass a bill in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

Now, that may no longer be the case: later news reports indicate Chik-Fil-A has cut ties with some of those organizations and backed down on some of their anti-gay rhetoric.  But at the time, there was a very clear financial connection between Chik-Fil-A  and efforts to have gay people executed for homosexuality, among other things.

Also, there were, and probably still are, other issues with Chik-Fil-A such as firing employees for not being Christian (or for being female).  But let's just stick to the efforts to kill gay people, shall we?

You should know this before mouthing off: it makes you look either dishonest or stupid to ignore such pertinent facts.

Local Chick-fil-a has servers who are female (surprise surprise) and, get this, they don't ask if you are a homosexual before serving your a chicken sandwich, which would signify that perhaps they don't really care who you are, just as long as you are buying a chicken sandwich.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

So, what you're saying is that Chik-fil-A, unlike the B&B, will not deny service to gay people?

Looks that way, doesn't it.  Yet the LBGT community got their collective panties in a bunch over another person's beliefs. actions.

Spending money is an ...


There is a different between voting with your wallet and collectively seeking out to destroy a business.   Two things the LBGTs like to do.
 
2014-01-22 02:30:42 PM

mistrmind: There is a different between voting with your wallet and collectively seeking out to destroy a business.   Two things the LBGTs like to do.


OMG, the stupid it burns.

FTFA: This isn't the first time Walder has spoken out against same-sex marriage. In 2011, Todd and Mark Wathen reportedly filed a civil rights complaint against Walder's business after he refused to host a ceremony for their civil union. As Joe. My. God. pointed out, the resolution of that complaint is still pending.

Jim Walder, owner of the TimberCreek Bed & Breakfast near Paxton, Ill., told the Post-Gazette that he will not permit LGBT couples to tie the knot at his venue even though same-sex marriage will be legally recognized in the state come June.


It was the B&B owner that went to the press.
 
2014-01-22 02:31:12 PM

mistrmind: There is a different between voting with your wallet and collectively seeking out to destroy a business.   Two things the LBGTs like to do.


Yeah there is a difference, one is more effective.  Either way nobody is coercing you or I into avoiding these businesses they are simply putting the facts out there.  We are the ones who decide.  I shop at all kinds of places that people have called for a boycott of at one time or another.  Lots of people went to Chick-Fil-A during the boycott.  Nobody forced anyone to do anything.
 
2014-01-22 02:34:38 PM

mistrmind: DeaH: mistrmind: ciberido: mistrmind: Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.

No, the original issue with Chik-Fil-A wasn't just Cathy's personal opinions.  It was where the money from Chik-Fil-A's sales were going: specifically, every sandwich purchased meant money going to WinShape, an umbrella organization for numerous groups opposed to gay rights in the USA.  Also at one time Chik-Fil-A was contributing to efforts to pass a bill in Uganda to make homosexuality a capital crime.

Now, that may no longer be the case: later news reports indicate Chik-Fil-A has cut ties with some of those organizations and backed down on some of their anti-gay rhetoric.  But at the time, there was a very clear financial connection between Chik-Fil-A  and efforts to have gay people executed for homosexuality, among other things.

Also, there were, and probably still are, other issues with Chik-Fil-A such as firing employees for not being Christian (or for being female).  But let's just stick to the efforts to kill gay people, shall we?

You should know this before mouthing off: it makes you look either dishonest or stupid to ignore such pertinent facts.

Local Chick-fil-a has servers who are female (surprise surprise) and, get this, they don't ask if you are a homosexual before serving your a chicken sandwich, which would signify that perhaps they don't really care who you are, just as long as you are buying a chicken sandwich.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

So, what you're saying is that Chik-fil-A, unlike the B&B, will not deny service to gay people?

Looks that way, doesn't it.  Yet the LBGT community got their collective panties in a bunch over another person's beliefs.


In the case of Chik-fil-A, I think the LBGT community wanted to let their community know that dollars they spend at Chik-fil-A can turn into dollars used to lobby against gay rights. I know I wouldn't want to spend my money where it would be used to try to take away my rights, so I have a hard time getting mad at the LBGT community for feeling the same way about their money. My point is simply that people comparing this to the case of the B&B owner is dumb. The cases are not the same:

Case 1: Party A's money may be used against Party A in a perfectly legal way
Case 2: Party A is being denied access to a business that is supposed to be open to the public in express opposition to the law

Both cases concern Party A, but, other than that, they have nothing in common.
 
2014-01-22 02:36:20 PM

Egoy3k: mistrmind: There is a different between voting with your wallet and collectively seeking out to destroy a business.   Two things the LBGTs like to do.

Yeah there is a difference, one is more effective.  Either way nobody is coercing you or I into avoiding these businesses they are simply putting the facts out there.  We are the ones who decide.  I shop at all kinds of places that people have called for a boycott of at one time or another.  Lots of people went to Chick-Fil-A during the boycott.  Nobody forced anyone to do anything.


Keep telling yourself that and maybe it'll be true.
 
2014-01-22 02:54:05 PM

justtray: It's actually very simple. Discriminating against a protected class makes you a bigot. Not tolerating bigots does not make someone a bigot.


By that definition, everyone who complains about this B&B owner's assertion of religious rights is a bigot. Religion is the first protected class established in the US. It happened, literally, in the first clause in the First Amendment.
 
2014-01-22 02:57:43 PM

joness0154: Nogale: joness0154: qorkfiend: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything?

Well, there is the cake shop in Colorado forced to make cakes for same sex couples. It's not a stretch to assume it could happen to this guy.

I'm as pro gay marriage as it comes, but disagree forcing these companies to do business if they don't want. I also don't understand why a couple would be adamant about giving that person business if they're adamantly against their lifestyle.

They are free to refuse to do business with gay couples. Other customers are free to take their business elsewhere. Generally speaking, refusing paying customers for any reason is not a good business strategy.

Agreed 100%


So you both would like to repeal the Civil Rights Act. I see. Well, there are certain justices on the supreme court who would agree with you.

Those of us who have read the history know  that your "so reasonable" stance is wrong and cannot work. It didn't work before the Civil Rights Act and it especially won't work now that there are specific laws *against* it in a lot of places. It would be nice not to have to argue settled law and settled principles with random people just because they think history began the day they were born.

If you operate a business of public accommodation you cannot discriminate against any protected class, period. End of story.
 
2014-01-22 03:03:00 PM

gerrymander: justtray: It's actually very simple. Discriminating against a protected class makes you a bigot. Not tolerating bigots does not make someone a bigot.

By that definition, everyone who complains about this B&B owner's assertion of religious rights is a bigot. Religion is the first protected class established in the US. It happened, literally, in the first clause in the First Amendment.


You need to stay in school, specifically civics class. Your right to free religion does not give you the right to deny others their rights.

This is literally elementary civics. The fact that you do not understand it only highlights your lack of education.

Once again, being intolerent of intolerence is not bigotry. That is not an opinion, but undisputable fact. I'm sorry if you are offended by this, but if so, I strongly suggest you stop being a bigot, as that is the only solution.

As a business, with a business license, you are not allowed to discriminate based on the protected classes. If you don't like that, don't operate a business. That is your choice as a free American.
 
2014-01-22 03:03:13 PM

mistrmind: Egoy3k: mistrmind: There is a different between voting with your wallet and collectively seeking out to destroy a business.   Two things the LBGTs like to do.

Yeah there is a difference, one is more effective.  Either way nobody is coercing you or I into avoiding these businesses they are simply putting the facts out there.  We are the ones who decide.  I shop at all kinds of places that people have called for a boycott of at one time or another.  Lots of people went to Chick-Fil-A during the boycott.  Nobody forced anyone to do anything.

Keep telling yourself that and maybe it'll be true.


Who is forcing you to not buy chicken sandwiches?
 
2014-01-22 03:03:18 PM

mistrmind: There is a different between voting with your wallet and collectively seeking out to destroy a business. Two things the LBGTs like to do.


How, exactly, did the LGBT seek to destroy Chik-fil-A? Didn't just let people know what the owner was doing with the money they spent there?

And, please, list other businesses that the LGBT community is seeking to destroy. The level of difficulty is that there has to be some other method than advertising the owner's actions or by taking legal action where the owner is in clear opposition to the law.
 
2014-01-22 03:10:09 PM

gerrymander: justtray: It's actually very simple. Discriminating against a protected class makes you a bigot. Not tolerating bigots does not make someone a bigot.

By that definition, everyone who complains about this B&B owner's assertion of religious rights is a bigot. Religion is the first protected class established in the US. It happened, literally, in the first clause in the First Amendment.


Who is denying a public service to the B&B owner? Or, are you saying the B&B is a church?
 
2014-01-22 03:52:44 PM

gerrymander: justtray: It's actually very simple. Discriminating against a protected class makes you a bigot. Not tolerating bigots does not make someone a bigot.

By that definition, everyone who complains about this B&B owner's assertion of religious rights is a bigot. Religion is the first protected class established in the US. It happened, literally, in the first clause in the First Amendment.


Nobody is complaining about him because of his religion.
They're complaining about him because of his douche-baggy actions.
 
2014-01-22 04:24:52 PM

Vagina Boob: Sheesh.  You guys were cool as the underdog.  Now you're a bunch of oversized assholes.


I wonder how they got like that.
 
2014-01-22 04:29:16 PM

joness0154: ElwoodCuse: I don't want the health inspector in my restaurant. If people get sick eating my food, they'll just eat somewhere else and I'll go out of business, so the free market works.

Are you OK with that restaurant being able to ban kids under the age of X?

Why is age discrimination by the business owner OK today but its not OK for a business owner to discriminate based on sexual orientation?


Read up on immutable characteristics and then ask your question again.
 
2014-01-22 04:30:08 PM

JSTACAT: rikkitikkitavi: flup: He's gonna learn the lesson ChickFilA learned. Their business has dwindled to nearly nothing since they publicly adopted their anti-gay stance.

Uhmm, not sure if you're serious? Record revenue in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013... so, no, that didn't have the effect I think they thought it would.

/not pro-bible
//not pro-hate
///pro good chicken

Public Opinion
How does it work?

Very well, thank you.


And that's what the B&B owner is counting on, I bet.
 
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