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2014-01-22 09:36:23 AM  

DeaH: flup: He's gonna learn the lesson ChickFilA learned. Their business has dwindled to nearly nothing since they publicly adopted their anti-gay stance.

Yes, Chik-fil-a learned they could make a tidy sum by serving cheap sandwiches to bigots who think their bigotry is religion. But B&Bs tend to cost a good bit more than a chicken sandwich. The tend to cost more than a hotel room in the area. The clientele at a B&B tend to like things like frilly or flowery rooms, antique furniture, lots of flowers, and brunch, so we're not talking about couples made up of stereotypically manly men and their obedient wives as a rule. In my experience, it's usually the wife who chooses the B&B, not the husband. And women tend to be less freaked out by gay people unless they are married to closet cases.

Of course, gay people are not a protected class the way black people are, so this man is within his legal rights to be a dick. And gay people are within their legal rights to let everyone know that the person who runs this B&B is a dick. If word gets out that the "lovely" B&B is administered by a hater, his may have no effect on his business. But I am willing to bet that it might.


Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.  So, the vindictive people you are go out and try to crush the company because of someone's opinion.  Nice way to win friends and influence people, BTW.   Keep preaching that diversity and tolerance.
 
2014-01-22 09:37:04 AM  

Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.


You might as well be saying that private business should be able to be racist.
People said the same things about mixed race marriages only a few decades ago, that they were ungodly abominations that would invoke the wrath of god upon the entire nation. The "private business, private rules" argument suggests you believe a business owner should be allowed to refuse to do any business with couples whose skin pigmentation doesn't match identically.  Should he be allowed to refuse to do any business with a couple where one's Jewish and one's Irish?
 
2014-01-22 09:38:19 AM  
Wow. For 5 percent or less of the populace, they sure do carry some weight.
 
2014-01-22 09:39:50 AM  

Semantic Warrior: Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

You might as well be saying that private business should be able to be racist.
People said the same things about mixed race marriages only a few decades ago, that they were ungodly abominations that would invoke the wrath of god upon the entire nation. The "private business, private rules" argument suggests you believe a business owner should be allowed to refuse to do any business with couples whose skin pigmentation doesn't match identically.  Should he be allowed to refuse to do any business with a couple where one's Jewish and one's Irish?


Yes, if that's their prerogative.  Just as we are allowed to vote with our wallets and visit other businesses that will provide services to anyone.
 
2014-01-22 09:41:31 AM  

Gdalescrboz: my lip balm addiction: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Just outing the bigots so they know who not to do business with.

Why are they bigots? Really, why? They think gay marriage is wrong. Can one not have an opinion another disagrees with without you putting a derogatory stamp of disapproval on it? Gays think being against gay marriage is wrong, does that make them a bigot? I just don't see where being a bigot comes on to play here


How do I put this lightly?  Then, you are missing a few chromosomes.
 
2014-01-22 09:42:10 AM  

Close2TheEdge: whatsupchuck: Gay couples have a right to equal access to public accommodations.  Private business owners have the right to be homophobic dickheads.  When push comes to shove in a court action to resolve this conflict, guess who almost always wins?

Hint:  There has to be a legitimate business interest for the refusal of service.

I'm not sure that's true.  The basic problem here is that while gay marriage may be legal, anti-discrimination laws against LGBT individuals are not on the books.  The business owner can't overtly discriminate and deny service based on race like putting up a "No Coloreds" sign.  But he can refuse service to gay couples, and he's legally ok to do so.


Yes and no... It's a little unclear in Illinois, since their anti discrimination law merely states "It is a civil rights violation for any person on the basis of unlawful discrimination to... deny or refuse to another the full and equal enjoyment of the facilities, goods, and services of any public place of accommodation" without specifically defining categories. That could include sexual orientation, or it may not.

Interestingly, there's this exception:
(A) Place of Public Accommodation. "Place of public accommodation" includes, but is not limited to: 
        (1) an inn, hotel, motel, or other place of lodging,
except for an establishment located within a building that contains not more than 5 units for rent or hire and that is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor;

Most bed and breakfasts are under 5 rooms and are occupied by the proprietor. But not this guy... he's got six units for hire.
 
2014-01-22 09:42:44 AM  
Is the creator of the universe really that concerned about gay unions when there black holes at the center of every galaxy sucking stars and planets into oblivion?
 
2014-01-22 09:43:47 AM  

joness0154: DeaH: DGS: If he wants to run his business that way, go for it. He has that freedom. Of course, others have the freedom to make it clear to other potential customers that the individual running that establishment is a bigot because god. That may dissuade others from wanting to give him business... just as it may make others want to give him business. Something something free market something.

Would he be free to refuse black customers?

We allow restaurants to discriminate based on age (lots of restaurants banning kids, etc.), allow pharmacists with religious beliefs to refuse to dispense the morning after pill, and allow hospitals & doctors to refuse to perform abortions.

Quite frankly, I think a business owner should be free to choose who he or she does business with, even if it discriminates.  They likely won't be in business very long - allowing it to be replaced by a business that, if it wants to survive, doesn't discriminate.


So, your good with refusing black customers?
 
2014-01-22 09:43:58 AM  

joness0154: qorkfiend: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything?

Well, there is the cake shop in Colorado forced to make cakes for same sex couples. It's not a stretch to assume it could happen to this guy.

I'm as pro gay marriage as it comes, but disagree forcing these companies to do business if they don't want. I also don't understand why a couple would be adamant about giving that person business if they're adamantly against their lifestyle.


They are free to refuse to do business with gay couples. Other customers are free to take their business elsewhere. Generally speaking, refusing paying customers for any reason is not a good business strategy.
 
2014-01-22 09:44:31 AM  

joness0154: Like my post above this, I think a business should be able to refuse to provide a service to anyone they please.  Like you said, people will call them out as bigots and vote with their wallets.  Hopefully that business doesn't prosper and is replaced with a business who provides their services to everyone.


Yeah, that doesn't work too well.
 
2014-01-22 09:45:34 AM  

DeaH: joness0154: DeaH: DGS: If he wants to run his business that way, go for it. He has that freedom. Of course, others have the freedom to make it clear to other potential customers that the individual running that establishment is a bigot because god. That may dissuade others from wanting to give him business... just as it may make others want to give him business. Something something free market something.

Would he be free to refuse black customers?

We allow restaurants to discriminate based on age (lots of restaurants banning kids, etc.), allow pharmacists with religious beliefs to refuse to dispense the morning after pill, and allow hospitals & doctors to refuse to perform abortions.

Quite frankly, I think a business owner should be free to choose who he or she does business with, even if it discriminates.  They likely won't be in business very long - allowing it to be replaced by a business that, if it wants to survive, doesn't discriminate.

So, your good with refusing black customers?


Yes, as stated above.  I would never do it, as I'm not a racist prick, but a business owner should be able to serve who he or she wants to serve.

Like I and others have said, customers are also free to take their business elsewhere, and its very likely that business won't survive.
 
2014-01-22 09:45:42 AM  

joness0154: Semantic Warrior: Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

You might as well be saying that private business should be able to be racist.
People said the same things about mixed race marriages only a few decades ago, that they were ungodly abominations that would invoke the wrath of god upon the entire nation. The "private business, private rules" argument suggests you believe a business owner should be allowed to refuse to do any business with couples whose skin pigmentation doesn't match identically.  Should he be allowed to refuse to do any business with a couple where one's Jewish and one's Irish?

Yes, if that's their prerogative.  Just as we are allowed to vote with our wallets and visit other businesses that will provide services to anyone.

Or get the laws changed so that the business owner can't get away with such shenanigans.

 
2014-01-22 09:46:06 AM  
I don't consider lesbians homosexual because I'm hetro and enjoy watching. Not the same for two dudes.
 
2014-01-22 09:46:28 AM  

Nogale: joness0154: qorkfiend: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything?

Well, there is the cake shop in Colorado forced to make cakes for same sex couples. It's not a stretch to assume it could happen to this guy.

I'm as pro gay marriage as it comes, but disagree forcing these companies to do business if they don't want. I also don't understand why a couple would be adamant about giving that person business if they're adamantly against their lifestyle.

They are free to refuse to do business with gay couples. Other customers are free to take their business elsewhere. Generally speaking, refusing paying customers for any reason is not a good business strategy.


Agreed 100%
 
2014-01-22 09:47:22 AM  

doubled99: Wow. For 5 percent or less of the populace, they sure do carry some weight.


I wasn't aware that the percent of American citizens who are personally opposed to any form of prejudice was only 5%.
 
2014-01-22 09:47:37 AM  
Whatever......

If their convictions are more important to them than money? We should appreciate that perspective (but criticize them for failing to accept that two people in love may be the same sex).

I know too many people without morals who would do anything for financial gain. Although I may not agree with their beliefs..... It is refreshing to find someone who considers their beliefs more important than money.
 
2014-01-22 09:47:38 AM  

Semantic Warrior: Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

You might as well be saying that private business should be able to be racist.
People said the same things about mixed race marriages only a few decades ago, that they were ungodly abominations that would invoke the wrath of god upon the entire nation. The "private business, private rules" argument suggests you believe a business owner should be allowed to refuse to do any business with couples whose skin pigmentation doesn't match identically.  Should he be allowed to refuse to do any business with a couple where one's Jewish and one's Irish?


Actually I may as well correct myself since WX linked an article that explained that a business can take a policy so far.

I can easily call an owner an asshole for refusing service based on bigotry compared to refusing service on a customer acting like an asshole.

I appreciate the time you took to call me out so I can make this correction.
 
2014-01-22 09:47:51 AM  

Penoatle: Is there something similar to Godwin where instead of bringing up Nazis we bring up segregation?

"We have the right to refuse service" is different than "No Coloreds".


If you're consistently refusing service to a minority group based on an inherent and immutable characteristic, then no, it's no different.

/was mentioned in the thread yesterday, it's illegal to post a "we reserve the right to refuse service" sign in Colorado
 
2014-01-22 09:48:57 AM  

GodComplex: Close2TheEdge: whatsupchuck: Gay couples have a right to equal access to public accommodations.  Private business owners have the right to be homophobic dickheads.  When push comes to shove in a court action to resolve this conflict, guess who almost always wins?

Hint:  There has to be a legitimate business interest for the refusal of service.

I'm not sure that's true.  The basic problem here is that while gay marriage may be legal, anti-discrimination laws against LGBT individuals are not on the books.  The business owner can't overtly discriminate and deny service based on race like putting up a "No Coloreds" sign.  But he can refuse service to gay couples, and he's legally ok to do so.  Now, what you hope is that fair minded people use the power of moral outrage to either change this guy's position or drive him out of business, but if Chick-Fil-A is any example, that won't happen.

By the way, I'm completely in favor of protests, and using every other legal means to drive him out of business.  If you are going to take that strident a stand, you better be prepared to accept and deal with the fallout as a result.

Varies by state. Sexual orientation is a protected class in WA and possibly any that have legal gay marriage. But you are correct, they can legally discriminate against any non protected class. Which is why we never read/care about furries being denied service. That said, the state can and should revoke your license for asshatish behavior. It's their choice to allow you to conduct business within the border.


I believe it's something approaching half of the states that have specific LGBT anti-discrimination laws on the books.  Even in those without, however, a business would be expected in court to explain how refusal of service supports a legitimate business interest.  Of course, in some places "because jesus" would probably fly.
 
2014-01-22 09:49:29 AM  
Comparing to Chick-fil-a is apples/oranges. They didn't refuse service or employment to anyone. The owner was just donating HIS money to conservative family groups that were also anti-gay. So that was really just a political play and not a rights issue.
This a-hole is actually doing something discriminatory.
 
2014-01-22 09:51:00 AM  

joness0154: Semantic Warrior: Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

You might as well be saying that private business should be able to be racist.
People said the same things about mixed race marriages only a few decades ago, that they were ungodly abominations that would invoke the wrath of god upon the entire nation. The "private business, private rules" argument suggests you believe a business owner should be allowed to refuse to do any business with couples whose skin pigmentation doesn't match identically.  Should he be allowed to refuse to do any business with a couple where one's Jewish and one's Irish?

Yes, if that's their prerogative.  Just as we are allowed to vote with our wallets and visit other businesses that will provide services to anyone.


In a city, this makes (some) sense, b/c there are dozens of options for everything you need.  But in the boonies, that's not the case.  If you're the only gay Eskimo in your tribe, and your spear-maker is a homophobe, where the fark do you get your spears?   When you do business with the public, you do business with  all the public, even the parts you don't like, unless there's a compelling business interest, such as a bar prohibiting anyone under 18, or 21.  Fortunately, the law agrees, for the most part.
 
2014-01-22 09:51:13 AM  

mistrmind: DeaH: flup: He's gonna learn the lesson ChickFilA learned. Their business has dwindled to nearly nothing since they publicly adopted their anti-gay stance.

Yes, Chik-fil-a learned they could make a tidy sum by serving cheap sandwiches to bigots who think their bigotry is religion. But B&Bs tend to cost a good bit more than a chicken sandwich. The tend to cost more than a hotel room in the area. The clientele at a B&B tend to like things like frilly or flowery rooms, antique furniture, lots of flowers, and brunch, so we're not talking about couples made up of stereotypically manly men and their obedient wives as a rule. In my experience, it's usually the wife who chooses the B&B, not the husband. And women tend to be less freaked out by gay people unless they are married to closet cases.

Of course, gay people are not a protected class the way black people are, so this man is within his legal rights to be a dick. And gay people are within their legal rights to let everyone know that the person who runs this B&B is a dick. If word gets out that the "lovely" B&B is administered by a hater, his may have no effect on his business. But I am willing to bet that it might.

Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.  So, the vindictive people you are go out and try to crush the company because of someone's opinion.  Nice way to win friends and influence people, BTW.   Keep preaching that diversity and tolerance.


I think you may be confusing your bunched panties with mine. The fact is that people lined up, in a show of support of the business owner's anti-gay activities, to buy Chik-fil-A sandwiches. But a sandwich doesn't cost a lot of money. B&Bs tend to be both expensive and remarkably fussy. The clientele they attract tend to be more gay-friendly. If gay people tell gay friendly people that someone is being dickish toward them, their friends do not take it well. Is they owner free to act in a dickish manner? Certainly. Is the free market free to make decisions based on information about the business owner? Of course.

What do you want? Should the gay people involved in this just silently accept that they are being treated as lesser humans? Should their free speech be infringed upon? Should they have to tolerate being treated that way in silence? Keep preaching that freedom, brother.
 
2014-01-22 09:51:23 AM  

Close2TheEdge: joness0154: Semantic Warrior: Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

You might as well be saying that private business should be able to be racist.
People said the same things about mixed race marriages only a few decades ago, that they were ungodly abominations that would invoke the wrath of god upon the entire nation. The "private business, private rules" argument suggests you believe a business owner should be allowed to refuse to do any business with couples whose skin pigmentation doesn't match identically.  Should he be allowed to refuse to do any business with a couple where one's Jewish and one's Irish?

Yes, if that's their prerogative.  Just as we are allowed to vote with our wallets and visit other businesses that will provide services to anyone.

Or get the laws changed so that the business owner can't get away with such shenanigans.


Or just allow the general public to put a place like that out of business by voting with their wallets.

Of course, I'm not a fan of too much government involvement in things they don't need to be involved in, and that's where my viewpoint comes from.
 
2014-01-22 09:52:26 AM  

joness0154: DeaH: joness0154: DeaH: DGS: If he wants to run his business that way, go for it. He has that freedom. Of course, others have the freedom to make it clear to other potential customers that the individual running that establishment is a bigot because god. That may dissuade others from wanting to give him business... just as it may make others want to give him business. Something something free market something.

Would he be free to refuse black customers?

We allow restaurants to discriminate based on age (lots of restaurants banning kids, etc.), allow pharmacists with religious beliefs to refuse to dispense the morning after pill, and allow hospitals & doctors to refuse to perform abortions.

Quite frankly, I think a business owner should be free to choose who he or she does business with, even if it discriminates.  They likely won't be in business very long - allowing it to be replaced by a business that, if it wants to survive, doesn't discriminate.

So, your good with refusing black customers?

Yes, as stated above.  I would never do it, as I'm not a racist prick, but a business owner should be able to serve who he or she wants to serve.

Like I and others have said, customers are also free to take their business elsewhere, and its very likely that business won't survive.


So, you want to do away with discrimination laws and go back to separate but equal. We you alive during that period? I was.
 
2014-01-22 09:52:28 AM  
I don't want the health inspector in my restaurant. If people get sick eating my food, they'll just eat somewhere else and I'll go out of business, so the free market works.
 
2014-01-22 09:54:32 AM  

DeaH: mistrmind: DeaH: flup: He's gonna learn the lesson ChickFilA learned. Their business has dwindled to nearly nothing since they publicly adopted their anti-gay stance.

Yes, Chik-fil-a learned they could make a tidy sum by serving cheap sandwiches to bigots who think their bigotry is religion. But B&Bs tend to cost a good bit more than a chicken sandwich. The tend to cost more than a hotel room in the area. The clientele at a B&B tend to like things like frilly or flowery rooms, antique furniture, lots of flowers, and brunch, so we're not talking about couples made up of stereotypically manly men and their obedient wives as a rule. In my experience, it's usually the wife who chooses the B&B, not the husband. And women tend to be less freaked out by gay people unless they are married to closet cases.

Of course, gay people are not a protected class the way black people are, so this man is within his legal rights to be a dick. And gay people are within their legal rights to let everyone know that the person who runs this B&B is a dick. If word gets out that the "lovely" B&B is administered by a hater, his may have no effect on his business. But I am willing to bet that it might.

Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.  So, the vindictive people you are go out and try to crush the company because of someone's opinion.  Nice way to win friends and influence people, BTW.   Keep preaching that diversity and tolerance.

I think you may be confusing your bunched panties with mine. The fact is that people lined up, in a show of support of the business owner's anti-gay activities, to buy Chik-fil-A sandwiches. But a sandwich doesn't cost a lot of money. B&Bs tend to be both expensive and remarkably fussy. The clien ...


There is a fine line between speaking up and actively going out to destroy another person's living.
 
2014-01-22 09:55:54 AM  

Buttknuckle: Straights:  So the next time you stay at a B&B, think about how much buttsecks has been had on that bed and how much santorum is on the walls.


Next time you shake a guy's hand, think about how much jerking off he's done with that hand.

Next time you kiss your girlfriend...remember...oh wait...forget that one.  It'll never happen.

Next time you kiss your mom, think about the spooge sprayed on....nah....too easy.
 
2014-01-22 09:56:00 AM  

Nacc: joness0154: qorkfiend: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything?

Well, there is the cake shop in Colorado forced to make cakes for same sex couples. It's not a stretch to assume it could happen to this guy.

I'm as pro gay marriage as it comes, but disagree forcing these companies to do business if they don't want. I also don't understand why a couple would be adamant about giving that person business if they're adamantly against their lifestyle.

Change the source of this article to it being about black people or an interracial couple. Your defense of said bigotry still fits. Why should those racists have to do business with a couple of darkies or darkie apologists....

It's because it's wrong to discriminate. If you are a bigot you will be found and painted as the bigot you are. People should know you're a bigot so they can vote with their wallet. You have a right to be a bigot and we have a right to know so we can refuse to patronize.


This is truly amazing. A guy gets sued for turning down a gay marriage,(never intended to make a spectacle of it) and you think it's ok...no, your right...nay, your duty, to conduct a smear campaign against him and destroy his life. Yet at the same time you bleeding heart liberals are the first to line up to crucify a 12 year old kid for any sleight that can be twisted in to bullying. The stupidity the left displays in matters pertaining to an individuals right to run his business how he wants without it turning in to a witch hunt is astounding. It's like watching Nancy Grace; pure, blind, unwarranted hate that you can't put in to a rational argument. So much so that's it's to the point that deep down inside, you have to know its absurd, you have to know that you are a hypocritical douche but you are afraid that if you aren't so extreme, you will become unpopular with your PBR drinking twat waffle friends. How about you pour yourself a big glass of shut the fark up and let him run his place how he wants without fearing for his livelihood.
 
2014-01-22 09:56:22 AM  

ElwoodCuse: I don't want the health inspector in my restaurant. If people get sick eating my food, they'll just eat somewhere else and I'll go out of business, so the free market works.


Are you OK with that restaurant being able to ban kids under the age of X?

Why is age discrimination by the business owner OK today but its not OK for a business owner to discriminate based on sexual orientation?
 
2014-01-22 09:56:32 AM  
OK.  I don't have any strong feelings for/against gay weddings or gay anything, really.  But I'm a bit gayed-out.  It's all gay all the time.  Enough already.
 
2014-01-22 09:56:40 AM  

joness0154: Or just allow the general public to put a place like that out of business by voting with their wallets.

Of course, I'm not a fan of too much government involvement in things they don't need to be involved in, and that's where my viewpoint comes from.


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They can just vote with their wallets! By, y'know, moving to a completely different city/state/country.
 
2014-01-22 09:58:55 AM  
He needs to remember that there are STRAIGHT allies of gays who MIGHT have considered getting married there. There goes any potential income. Now that this story has "gone viral" his business is all but (eventually) done. Have fun, asshole!
 
2014-01-22 09:59:01 AM  

joness0154: ElwoodCuse: I don't want the health inspector in my restaurant. If people get sick eating my food, they'll just eat somewhere else and I'll go out of business, so the free market works.

Are you OK with that restaurant being able to ban kids under the age of X?

Why is age discrimination by the business owner OK today but its not OK for a business owner to discriminate based on sexual orientation?


Age is not an immutable characteristic, nor is it one exclusive to a minority - everyone has been young and everyone will be old. Furthermore, there has not been a history of invidious discrimination targeted at people based on their age. Finally, age is reasonably related to someone's ability to participate in society. Accordingly, age is not even slightly suspect as a classification, and it is fine for a business owner to say "no children".
 
2014-01-22 09:59:11 AM  

Close2TheEdge: whatsupchuck: Gay couples have a right to equal access to public accommodations.  Private business owners have the right to be homophobic dickheads.  When push comes to shove in a court action to resolve this conflict, guess who almost always wins?

Hint:  There has to be a legitimate business interest for the refusal of service.

I'm not sure that's true.  The basic problem here is that while gay marriage may be legal, anti-discrimination laws against LGBT individuals are not on the books.  The business owner can't overtly discriminate and deny service based on race like putting up a "No Coloreds" sign.  But he can refuse service to gay couples, and he's legally ok to do so.  Now, what you hope is that fair minded people use the power of moral outrage to either change this guy's position or drive him out of business, but if Chick-Fil-A is any example, that won't happen.

By the way, I'm completely in favor of protests, and using every other legal means to drive him out of business.  If you are going to take that strident a stand, you better be prepared to accept and deal with the fallout as a result.


There are those of us who consider that the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment covers this. It was intended to protect skin color, though it doesn't explicitly say that, so it's easy for me to say it covers any case of who/what a person is, not just the color of their skin.

And that's the root of the problem. These religious nuts won't let go of believing that homosexuality is a choice.
 
2014-01-22 09:59:33 AM  

Theaetetus: joness0154: Or just allow the general public to put a place like that out of business by voting with their wallets.

Of course, I'm not a fan of too much government involvement in things they don't need to be involved in, and that's where my viewpoint comes from.

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They can just vote with their wallets! By, y'know, moving to a completely different city/state/country.


I never said anything close to that.

Business owners should be free to provide services to anyone they choose.
Local/State/Federal government should treat everyone equally, without discrimination.
 
2014-01-22 10:01:38 AM  
Probably illegal because he runs a place of public accommodation, but no matter.

Be damned if that place ever gets a dime from us non-gay people, though. And those young engaged hetero couples looking to start life together? They're just dying to begin their wedded lives under the aegis of a doctrinaire, judgmental hotelier looking to apply his standards of right & wrong to their lives.

It's really very easy. Just make certain everyone considering his business knows this policy of his, which he appears very proud of.
 
2014-01-22 10:01:38 AM  

joness0154: Theaetetus: joness0154: Or just allow the general public to put a place like that out of business by voting with their wallets.

Of course, I'm not a fan of too much government involvement in things they don't need to be involved in, and that's where my viewpoint comes from.

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They can just vote with their wallets! By, y'know, moving to a completely different city/state/country.

I never said anything close to that.


You said it should be legal to discriminate and they should "vote with their wallets". That's actually very close to that.

Business owners should be free to provide services to anyone they choose.
Local/State/Federal government should treat everyone equally, without discrimination.


Sundown towns weren't local government acting against the interests of the town business owners... they  were the town business owners.

Go read that wiki I linked earlier on the Green Book.
 
2014-01-22 10:02:51 AM  

joness0154: Why is age discrimination by the business owner OK today


I'm not sure it is. Okay, I mean. It seems to be legal; I haven't encountered any evidence that it's not. As far as I know, there have been no legal challenges of note, no major protests, and it hasn't been in the news cycles long enough for society to notice and have much of a discussion about it.
 
2014-01-22 10:07:16 AM  

Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.


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2014-01-22 10:07:37 AM  

farkmedown: And that's the root of the problem. These religious nuts won't let go of believing that homosexuality is a choice.


Because they 'choose' to suppress their own same sex urges, maybe slipping a couple of times here and there but it's always forgiven and they're put back on the lord's righteous path, so why can't everyone just choose like that? It's a choice.
 
2014-01-22 10:07:47 AM  

farkmedown: And that's the root of the problem. These religious nuts won't let go of believing that homosexuality is a choice.


It does make me wonder if bisexuality is a lot more prevalent than people assume it is. If so, they may actually be right to some very small extent; limiting one's preferences for the sake of orthodoxy might well feel like a choice.
 
2014-01-22 10:09:21 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: He couldn't be hurting his business more if he advertised turd punch for breakfast.


There's a fisting enthusiast crowd that gets up that early?
 
2014-01-22 10:09:30 AM  

mistrmind: DeaH: mistrmind: DeaH: flup: He's gonna learn the lesson ChickFilA learned. Their business has dwindled to nearly nothing since they publicly adopted their anti-gay stance.

Yes, Chik-fil-a learned they could make a tidy sum by serving cheap sandwiches to bigots who think their bigotry is religion. But B&Bs tend to cost a good bit more than a chicken sandwich. The tend to cost more than a hotel room in the area. The clientele at a B&B tend to like things like frilly or flowery rooms, antique furniture, lots of flowers, and brunch, so we're not talking about couples made up of stereotypically manly men and their obedient wives as a rule. In my experience, it's usually the wife who chooses the B&B, not the husband. And women tend to be less freaked out by gay people unless they are married to closet cases.

Of course, gay people are not a protected class the way black people are, so this man is within his legal rights to be a dick. And gay people are within their legal rights to let everyone know that the person who runs this B&B is a dick. If word gets out that the "lovely" B&B is administered by a hater, his may have no effect on his business. But I am willing to bet that it might.

Last time I checked, when you order a sandwich at Chik-fil-a, they didn't ask you about your sexual orientation, they just served you a chicken sandwich.  in a nutshell, you have your panties in a bunch because the founder has an opinion about marriage and it doesn't fit into your definition of marriage.  So, the vindictive people you are go out and try to crush the company because of someone's opinion.  Nice way to win friends and influence people, BTW.   Keep preaching that diversity and tolerance.

I think you may be confusing your bunched panties with mine. The fact is that people lined up, in a show of support of the business owner's anti-gay activities, to buy Chik-fil-A sandwiches. But a sandwich doesn't cost a lot of money. B&Bs tend to be both expensive and remarkably fussy. The ...


And that line is not crossed when one simply tells others how badly one is treated. And, if there is legal recourse for bad treatment, that is also allowable. No one is deciding on a whim to put someone out of business. They do not have that power. Neither speaking up nor legal action necessarily lead to someone going out of business. Part of being in business is judging your market. Chik-fil-A judged theirs correctly. It sounds as if you believe that this business owner did not judge his correctly. I certainly think he didn't. Poor judgment of ones market results in a negative impact on ones business. If that is the case, this owner will have put himself out of business.
 
2014-01-22 10:11:01 AM  

Dimensio: This person's discrimination is motivated by religious belief, therefore it must be allowed. Religious belief creates special justification otherwise not present for objectionable behaviour.


A picture of some guys whose discrimination is motivated by religious belief:
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2014-01-22 10:11:31 AM  

det0321: Speaking from experience, there are worse places in the United States than Paxton, IL, although I am unable to come up with one at the moment.


Blair, NE

Barrow, AL

Anywhere in Utah

Texas
 
2014-01-22 10:11:39 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Nacc: joness0154: qorkfiend: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything?

Well, there is the cake shop in Colorado forced to make cakes for same sex couples. It's not a stretch to assume it could happen to this guy.

I'm as pro gay marriage as it comes, but disagree forcing these companies to do business if they don't want. I also don't understand why a couple would be adamant about giving that person business if they're adamantly against their lifestyle.

Change the source of this article to it being about black people or an interracial couple. Your defense of said bigotry still fits. Why should those racists have to do business with a couple of darkies or darkie apologists....

It's because it's wrong to discriminate. If you are a bigot you will be found and painted as the bigot you are. People should know you're a bigot so they can vote with their wallet. You have a right to be a bigot and we have a right to know so we can refuse to patronize.

This is truly amazing. A guy gets sued for turning down a gay marriage,(never intended to make a spectacle of it) and you think it's ok...no, your right...nay, your duty, to conduct a smear campaign against him and destroy his life. Yet at the same time you bleeding heart liberals are the first to line up to crucify a 12 year old kid for any sleight that can be twisted in to bullying. The stupidity the left displays in matters pertaining to an individuals right to run his business how he wants without it turning in to a witch hunt is astounding. It's like watching Nancy Grace; pure, blind, unwarranted hate that you can't put in to a rational argument. So much so that's it's to the point that deep down inside, you have to know its absurd, you have to know that you are a hypocritical douche but you are afr ...



You're just doubling down on the derp today.
 
2014-01-22 10:12:46 AM  

Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.


Like the Greensboro Woolworth's, amirite?
 
2014-01-22 10:12:48 AM  
Has anyone mentioned that gays have way too much taste to ever be seen in Paxton, IL in the first place?
 
2014-01-22 10:16:53 AM  

rikkitikkitavi: There truly is no hate like the oppressed with a enough to finance a lawsuit.


Because filing a civil rights complaint with the government is an expensive endeavor.
 
2014-01-22 10:17:42 AM  
Article fail to use "wyymhn" when referring to lesbian couple; article fails.
 
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