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(Huffington Post)   Today: "There will NEVER be a gay marriage at my wedding venue." Near Future: "This charming little wedding venue is priced to sell, after the previous owners were forced into bankruptcy"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 289
    More: Obvious, Illinois, Ken Hutcherson, Friends of Lesbians, Societal attitudes toward homosexuality, Family Equality Council, Levi Strauss, Tom Emmer, Gay Days  
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2014-01-22 08:36:16 AM
Yes, because libs won't be happy until we're all teh gay.
 
2014-01-22 08:37:04 AM
I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.
 
2014-01-22 08:38:15 AM

kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.


Who's forcing anyone to do anything?
 
2014-01-22 08:39:40 AM
Probably not a good business decision for a bed & breakfast to offend 40% your clientele.

/made up that number, but I'm close
 
2014-01-22 08:39:47 AM
The only reason to refuse a gay wedding would be if one of the grooms was so persnickety the man-hours required would cut into the profit margin - otherwise? Cash in!
 
2014-01-22 08:40:04 AM
Just ignore the dumbass B&B owner and let him die with hate in his heart.  Hopefully, sooner than later.
 
2014-01-22 08:40:31 AM
Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.
 
2014-01-22 08:40:31 AM

kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.


No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Just outing the bigots so they know who not to do business with.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-01-22 08:40:48 AM
If he wants to run his business that way, go for it. He has that freedom. Of course, others have the freedom to make it clear to other potential customers that the individual running that establishment is a bigot because god. That may dissuade others from wanting to give him business... just as it may make others want to give him business. Something something free market something.
 
2014-01-22 08:41:15 AM
If you don't want to host a gay wedding, then simply refuse. Don't give reasons. Racism and discrimination is a-ok as long as you don't say it is because of racism/discrimination.

Also, just how big is the LGBT community in that town?
 
2014-01-22 08:42:57 AM

Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.


You're not a private business if you open your doors to the public. This has been the law for decades.
 
2014-01-22 08:43:11 AM

Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.


I agree 100%. And I look forward to them being remembered in the not-so-distant future the same way we remember those valiant, rugged businessmen who said they would never serve blacks in their establishments.  Because we remember those people for taking a brave stand for private business, right?
 
2014-01-22 08:43:21 AM

kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.


"No coloreds"
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-01-22 08:43:24 AM

lucksi: If you don't want to host a gay wedding, then simply refuse. Don't give reasons. Racism and discrimination is a-ok as long as you don't say it is because of racism/discrimination.

Also, just how big is the LGBT community in that town?


I don't think I've ever gone to a local B&B in the past. Is this a thing? If I'm doing that it's because I'm getting out of town but don't want some big hotel chain.
 
2014-01-22 08:44:07 AM

qorkfiend: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything?


Well, there is the cake shop in Colorado forced to make cakes for same sex couples. It's not a stretch to assume it could happen to this guy.

I'm as pro gay marriage as it comes, but disagree forcing these companies to do business if they don't want. I also don't understand why a couple would be adamant about giving that person business if they're adamantly against their lifestyle.
 
2014-01-22 08:44:47 AM
Unfortunately, this is why you'll never get a child-free flight or restaurant. Bah.
 
2014-01-22 08:45:18 AM
Once they're done forcing you to marry homosexuals, they'll start forcing you to perform late term abortions. After that you'll be forced to operate the gas chambers in which they will put all the climate change deniers. And they won't even see the irony, because their brains don't work that way.
 
2014-01-22 08:45:44 AM
You know, I like these folks, people who will take a stand that is not only unpopular now, but will be judged as downright evil by future historians.  History needs its villains, and bravo for all these bigoted farks providing fodder for those thirty to forty years from now who need people to hold up as examples of real human evil. Much like the anti-civil rights folks of the 60s, and the Nazis before them, these folks are providing a valuable service, being history's douchenozzles.
 
2014-01-22 08:45:56 AM

Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.


Blame the South.
 
2014-01-22 08:47:18 AM
Speaking from experience, there are worse places in the United States than Paxton, IL, although I am unable to come up with one at the moment.
 
2014-01-22 08:48:10 AM
Seriously? Another one of these threads? FARK has become the rally point for the LGBT community of late. There truly is no hate like the oppressed with a enough to finance a lawsuit.

I need another misogynist boobie thread. Please, I beg of you.
 
2014-01-22 08:49:10 AM
Someone in this thread is trying way too hard.
 
2014-01-22 08:49:25 AM

Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.


The headline needs an IRONIC tag, since a large portion of bed and breakfast business is provided by gay couples, and he somehow fails to realize this.  He couldn't be hurting his business more if he advertised turd punch for breakfast.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-01-22 08:49:31 AM

rikkitikkitavi: Seriously? Another one of these threads? FARK has become the rally point for the LGBT community of late. There truly is no hate like the oppressed with a enough to finance a lawsuit.

I need another misogynist boobie thread. Please, I beg of you.


Are you even reading the responses?
 
2014-01-22 08:49:36 AM

gshepnyc: Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.

I agree 100%. And I look forward to them being remembered in the not-so-distant future the same way we remember those valiant, rugged businessmen who said they would never serve blacks in their establishments.  Because we remember those people for taking a brave stand for private business, right?


Is there something similar to Godwin where instead of bringing up Nazis we bring up segregation?

"We have the right to refuse service" is different than "No Coloreds".

Again though, I could care less. Just trying to figure out the full issue to these bandwagons people hop on.
 
2014-01-22 08:50:02 AM
joness0154:

Well, there is the cake shop in Colorado forced to make cakes for same sex couples. It's not a stretch to assume it could happen to this guy.

No, they are not being forced to do anything.  They made a choice to sell wedding cakes.  That choice requires them to sell wedding cakes to everyone.  They have a very simple way to avoid making cakes for same sex couples.  Don't sell wedding cakes.  They chose to start a business that would put them in a position that requires them to violate their religious beliefs.  They can easily choose to leave that business as well.
 
2014-01-22 08:50:24 AM
40% of marriages are now LGBT????

I think someone really pulled a stat out of their backcrack.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-01-22 08:50:27 AM

Penoatle: Again though, I could care less.


How much less? Sounds like you do care.
 
2014-01-22 08:50:56 AM

THE GREAT NAME: Yes, because libs won't be happy until we're all teh gay.

 

THE GREAT NAME: Once they're done forcing you to marry homosexuals, they'll start forcing you to perform late term abortions. After that you'll be forced to operate the gas chambers in which they will put all the climate change deniers. And they won't even see the irony, because their brains don't work that way.


Way too obvious. 0/10.
 
2014-01-22 08:51:00 AM

joness0154: Well, there is the cake shop in Colorado forced to make cakes for same sex couples. It's not a stretch to assume it could happen to this guy.

I'm as pro gay marriage as it comes, but disagree forcing these companies to do business if they don't want. I also don't understand why a couple would be adamant about giving that person business if they're adamantly against their lifestyle.


The same reason businesses were/are forced to server "coloreds". Or if you swapped out gay couple in this scenario and put an interracial couple in instead. If you can't deal with the public, in all it's color and fabulousness, don't operate a public establishment.
 
2014-01-22 08:51:02 AM

DGS: rikkitikkitavi: Seriously? Another one of these threads? FARK has become the rally point for the LGBT community of late. There truly is no hate like the oppressed with a enough to finance a lawsuit.

I need another misogynist boobie thread. Please, I beg of you.

Are you even reading the responses?


You do know where this is vectored, right? Really... The first 12 responses will be trounced in a sea of "bigot, racist, neanderthal" and it will go on, and on and on for 500 odd posts.  Just like yesterday. And the day before.
 
2014-01-22 08:52:25 AM

qorkfiend: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything?


Obama and his caring.  Really the rate this is going it's going to be illegal to operate your business based on your beliefs and solely within the confines of government oversight.
 
2014-01-22 08:52:46 AM

belome: 40% of marriages are now LGBT????

I think someone really pulled a stat out of their backcrack.


I think he/she is implying that 40% of B&B business is LGBT.  Which could be very close to correct, assuming four times as many LGBT frequent B&B's than the straight community.
 
2014-01-22 08:52:57 AM

rikkitikkitavi: I need another misogynist boobie thread. Please, I beg of you.


No one is going to submit that for you, so you'd better get busy.  Meanwhile we'll stay busy here, making fun of this clueless dickhead.
 
2014-01-22 08:53:59 AM
I would cancel my straight wedding if I heard this guy was into sending his clients bible verses concerning their private lives. That's beyond douchey.
 
2014-01-22 08:56:06 AM
Preemptively declining people's money is always a sound business strategy.

But, then, I suppose you can never underestimate the intelligence of your average homophobe.

belome: 40% of marriages are now LGBT????

I think someone really pulled a stat out of their backcrack.


Or maybe the recent spate of rulings and votes to allow it have created a temporary bubble as people who have wanted to get married for years but were unable rushed to complete the ceremonies.
 
2014-01-22 08:56:12 AM

qorkfiend: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

Who's forcing anyone to do anything?


If you dont have healthcare you can continue not to jave healthcare unless you want to be fined for not having healthcare.

/ I know, its persausion not forcing
 
2014-01-22 08:57:08 AM

Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.


Perhaps because we have central banks that can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever amount it takes to get their way. Maybe moving the population in the direction of getting use to taking it anally is helpful to their plans.

I figure they have counterfeited the entire money supply over and over so many times we no longer own or have a say in anything.
 
2014-01-22 08:57:15 AM
Sheesh.  You guys were cool as the underdog.  Now you're a bunch of oversized assholes.
 
2014-01-22 08:57:27 AM

gshepnyc: Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.

I agree 100%. And I look forward to them being remembered in the not-so-distant future the same way we remember those valiant, rugged businessmen who said they would never serve blacks in their establishments.  Because we remember those people for taking a brave stand for private business, right?


Rand Paul does. One of his beefs with civil rights is that business people have to serve other races even if they don't want to.
 
2014-01-22 08:57:57 AM
He's gonna learn the lesson ChickFilA learned. Their business has dwindled to nearly nothing since they publicly adopted their anti-gay stance.
 
2014-01-22 08:58:33 AM

rikkitikkitavi: belome: 40% of marriages are now LGBT????

I think someone really pulled a stat out of their backcrack.

I think he/she is implying that 40% of B&B business is LGBT.  Which could be very close to correct, assuming four times as many LGBT frequent B&B's than the straight community.


Well the G B and T maybe but the L portion of the community rents cabins in the woods.
 
2014-01-22 08:58:46 AM

my lip balm addiction: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Just outing the bigots so they know who not to do business with.


I'll gladly do business with them.
 
2014-01-22 08:58:46 AM

Penoatle: Is there something similar to Godwin where instead of bringing up Nazis we bring up segregation?

"We have the right to refuse service" is different than "No Coloreds".


But "No Gays" is the same as "No Coloreds".

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/when-can-a-business-re fu se-service.html
 
2014-01-22 08:59:28 AM

HenryFnord: kukukupo: I still fail to understand how you can FORCE someone to do business with you.  Then again, if the government can force you to buy a product, I guess it is only fair that you can force a business to sell it to you.

"No coloreds"


This circumstance is different. This person's discrimination is motivated by religious belief, therefore it must be allowed. Religious belief creates special justification otherwise not present for objectionable behaviour.
 
2014-01-22 09:00:02 AM

StokeyBob: Penoatle: Private business, private rules. Why is this so hard to understand?

Really, someone tell me why people cannot operate their business the way they want to. Why do we get this foamy BS from either side.

I could care less but I know this thread will blow up with the usual crap.

Perhaps because we have central banks that can fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever amount it takes to get their way. Maybe moving the population in the direction of getting use to taking it anally is helpful to their plans.

I figure they have counterfeited the entire money supply over and over so many times we no longer own or have a say in anything.


8/10.  Needed "0bama" or some mention of farting, but you'll still get some bites.
 
2014-01-22 09:00:36 AM

rikkitikkitavi: belome: 40% of marriages are now LGBT????

I think someone really pulled a stat out of their backcrack.

I think he/she is implying that 40% of B&B business is LGBT.  Which could be very close to correct, assuming four times as many LGBT frequent B&B's than the straight community.


Straights:  So the next time you stay at a B&B, think about how much buttsecks has been had on that bed and how much santorum is on the walls.
 
2014-01-22 09:00:57 AM
So they're going to go out of business because they won't do business with people they've never done business with? They've managed to stay in business up too now without same sex weddings.
 
2014-01-22 09:01:01 AM
Yeah, I'm sure the straight marriage market is really going to dry up.  Especially among the asshole demographic.
 
2014-01-22 09:02:09 AM

wxboy: Penoatle: Is there something similar to Godwin where instead of bringing up Nazis we bring up segregation?

"We have the right to refuse service" is different than "No Coloreds".

But "No Gays" is the same as "No Coloreds".

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/when-can-a-business-re fu se-service.html


Okay. I can see how it works like that. Thanks for the link.
 
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