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(Huffington Post)   The Arctic Ocean was once covered with ice and mostly ignored. Now that it's navigable water most of the year, international shipping rules must be hammered out. But Global Warming is still a myth, nothing to see here, move along   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
    More: Interesting, Polar Code, Arctic Ocean, Arctic, Antarctic ice sheet, ski season, transatlantic flight, navigable waters  
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2014-01-22 10:08:39 AM  
lol business tab
 
2014-01-22 10:23:19 AM  
Why are people who "believe" in global warming so touchy and defensive?
 
2014-01-22 10:28:59 AM  

sure haven't: Why are people who "believe" in global warming so touchy and defensive?


If this wasn't the business tab, I'm sure you'd get lots of bites.
 
2014-01-22 11:06:21 AM  
 
2014-01-22 11:54:05 AM  
Yeah, and most of the upper midwest and almost all of Canada was covered by the Laurentide ice sheet ~20000 years ago. Then it warmed up and pretty much melted completely away.

I swear, this is really getting tiresome. Yes, it's getting warmer. The Earth will do that all by itself. A LOT. Then it will get colder. All by itself. A LOT. Repeat ad nauseum for the next 4 billion years until the Sun runs out of Hydrogen to fuse. Then it will get REALLY REALLY REALLY warm one last time.
 
2014-01-22 12:06:34 PM  

gretzkyscores: Yeah, and most of the upper midwest and almost all of Canada was covered by the Laurentide ice sheet ~20000 years ago. Then it warmed up and pretty much melted completely away.

I swear, this is really getting tiresome. Yes, it's getting warmer. The Earth will do that all by itself. A LOT. Then it will get colder. All by itself. A LOT. Repeat ad nauseum for the next 4 billion years until the Sun runs out of Hydrogen to fuse. Then it will get REALLY REALLY REALLY warm one last time.


Of all the stupid things that deniers say, this is the most profoundly stupid. I mean really, spectacularly, completely, utterly stupid. Unlike most denial, it's stupid in many different ways at once. In fact, it's spherically stupid: it's equally stupid whatever direction you approach it from.

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2014-01-22 12:08:08 PM  
Here's an idea: any country that wants to join the negotiations to exploit mineral, navigation or other rights in the Arctic first has to sign up to reduce carbon emissions. Fair deal?
 
2014-01-22 12:49:50 PM  
I like how we've just moved right past "we need to do something about our pollution" to "we need to take advantage of all the new business opportunities opening up because of global warming."
 
2014-01-22 12:51:14 PM  

czetie: gretzkyscores: Yeah, and most of the upper midwest and almost all of Canada was covered by the Laurentide ice sheet ~20000 years ago. Then it warmed up and pretty much melted completely away.

I swear, this is really getting tiresome. Yes, it's getting warmer. The Earth will do that all by itself. A LOT. Then it will get colder. All by itself. A LOT. Repeat ad nauseum for the next 4 billion years until the Sun runs out of Hydrogen to fuse. Then it will get REALLY REALLY REALLY warm one last time.

Of all the stupid things that deniers say, this is the most profoundly stupid. I mean really, spectacularly, completely, utterly stupid. Unlike most denial, it's stupid in many different ways at once. In fact, it's spherically stupid: it's equally stupid whatever direction you approach it from.

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.


Well. It's correct.
 
2014-01-22 03:01:49 PM  
Let me know when ice melts on Lake Erie! LOL!!
 
2014-01-22 03:07:52 PM  

czetie: gretzkyscores: Yeah, and most of the upper midwest and almost all of Canada was covered by the Laurentide ice sheet ~20000 years ago. Then it warmed up and pretty much melted completely away.

I swear, this is really getting tiresome. Yes, it's getting warmer. The Earth will do that all by itself. A LOT. Then it will get colder. All by itself. A LOT. Repeat ad nauseum for the next 4 billion years until the Sun runs out of Hydrogen to fuse. Then it will get REALLY REALLY REALLY warm one last time.

Of all the stupid things that deniers say, this is the most profoundly stupid. I mean really, spectacularly, completely, utterly stupid. Unlike most denial, it's stupid in many different ways at once. In fact, it's spherically stupid: it's equally stupid whatever direction you approach it from.

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.


What is it that he is denying?  He flat out said it's getting warmer.
 
2014-01-22 03:11:24 PM  
 
2014-01-22 05:53:24 PM  

fortheloveofgod: I'm just going to set this here -

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/great-lakes-ice-cover-a t- highest-levels-in-20-years


In before global warming cultists say it's the wrong kind of ice.

/Remember: Old, monied ice good; new hipster ice bad.
 
2014-01-23 03:21:16 AM  
NAUTILUS 90 NORTH...

...those were the days and [for] now no longer.

Until the grand cycle repeats itself.

But who will be there to bravely sail under the ice again?
 
2014-01-23 11:26:39 AM  
Okay; the world is getting warmer, and let's postulate that humans are not adding to the conditions and accelerating things.  It's just getting warmer.  The earth has survived wild swings in climate before, but due to these climate changes, various species have died off if they didn't adapt.  We are a species.  The "equilibrium" we've known in the past few thousand years involves building cities in the coastal areas, roughly where they are right now.  A slow change to our climate may be warming things up, and looking at the whole earth, sea levels will rise.  This will cause some issues, since coastal areas are densely populated, and ships containing both raw materials and manufactured goods may suffer if the ports are under water or merely damaged by increasingly large swings in weather that accompany small changes in climate.

We will adapt or go extinct.  Fortunately, we can think, use tools and communicate, and fortunately, there are many voices coming from smart people, and they are saying, "Hey! We need to accept that this is happening, and we should figure out ways to understand what's going on and try to slow it down so that the no-way-we-can-stop-it assault on our cities and ports doesn't catch us with our pants down.  Example: Hurricane Sandy.  Let's not mention Katrina, because who builds a city below sea level other than Dutch potheads?  But look at Sandy: NYC is built right down to sea level, and a storm surge caused a great deal of destruction.  Sure, destructive as far as humans are concerned, but it could be argued that this is part of the "creative destruction" that help some species at the expense of other species.

We will adapt or go extinct.  How about when scientists are trying to point out that fact, we don't crucify them with political name-calling?  How about conversing with them rather than assuming they're agents of Al Gore's secret army dedicated to destryong all businesses?  Because that's how it appears to be playing out.

We will adapt or go extinct  Let's try to adapt.
 
2014-01-23 05:28:30 PM  

mofa: Okay; the world is getting warmer, and let's postulate that humans are not adding to the conditions and accelerating things.  It's just getting warmer.  The earth has survived wild swings in climate before, but due to these climate changes, various species have died off if they didn't adapt.  We are a species.  The "equilibrium" we've known in the past few thousand years involves building cities in the coastal areas, roughly where they are right now.  A slow change to our climate may be warming things up, and looking at the whole earth, sea levels will rise.  This will cause some issues, since coastal areas are densely populated, and ships containing both raw materials and manufactured goods may suffer if the ports are under water or merely damaged by increasingly large swings in weather that accompany small changes in climate.

We will adapt or go extinct.  Fortunately, we can think, use tools and communicate, and fortunately, there are many voices coming from smart people, and they are saying, "Hey! We need to accept that this is happening, and we should figure out ways to understand what's going on and try to slow it down so that the no-way-we-can-stop-it assault on our cities and ports doesn't catch us with our pants down.  Example: Hurricane Sandy.  Let's not mention Katrina, because who builds a city below sea level other than Dutch potheads?  But look at Sandy: NYC is built right down to sea level, and a storm surge caused a great deal of destruction.  Sure, destructive as far as humans are concerned, but it could be argued that this is part of the "creative destruction" that help some species at the expense of other species.

We will adapt or go extinct.  How about when scientists are trying to point out that fact, we don't crucify them with political name-calling?  How about conversing with them rather than assuming they're agents of Al Gore's secret army dedicated to destryong all businesses?  Because that's how it appears to be playing out.

We will adapt or go extinct  Let's try to adapt.


Your civility. It offends me. This is Fark, mofo.

/I didn't mean your username
//btw, where do you get your jib cut? I like the look of it.
 
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