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(Forbes)   Five reasons why you are a moran for not using Windows 8.1   (forbes.com) divider line 207
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2014-01-21 11:50:59 PM
exactly what i've been saying for a year, but here comes the Fark Techno Brigade™  who will tell us why we're all idiots for not using OUTDATED, DEPRECATED software like windows XP or windows 7. then they'll say i'm crazy, and that they'll wait for "windows 9" because someone's cousin's sisters' uncle's dog heard a rumor from the mailman that windows 9 wont have metro.
 
2014-01-21 11:53:11 PM
Sometimes Windows fanbois are every bit as obnoxious as Apple fanbois
 
2014-01-22 12:01:50 AM

Livingroom: exactly what i've been saying for a year, but here comes the Fark Techno Brigade™  who will tell us why we're all idiots for not using OUTDATED, DEPRECATED software like windows XP or windows 7. then they'll say i'm crazy, and that they'll wait for "windows 9" because someone's cousin's sisters' uncle's dog heard a rumor from the mailman that windows 9 wont have metro.


I'm using 8 and barring the 10 minutes I spent getting rid of the shiat that was stupid, I like it just fine.  But 7 isn't deprecated, and there aren't very compelling reasons to upgrade from 7 to 8.  XP to 8?  Very good reasons.  7 to 8?  Not so much.

As for the support equation, the last time MS did something this heinously disruptive to their UI was the Office "Ribbon" which they're still trying to integrate into the OS.  While the intent is good, the effect is that people have to spend extra time making the interface work for them, which is not what you want from any UI.
 
2014-01-22 12:01:52 AM

Livingroom: exactly what i've been saying for a year, but here comes the Fark Techno Brigade™  who will tell us why we're all idiots for not using OUTDATED, DEPRECATED software like windows XP or windows 7. then they'll say i'm crazy, and that they'll wait for "windows 9" because someone's cousin's sisters' uncle's dog heard a rumor from the mailman that windows 9 wont have metro.


A lot of the pushback comes from people who either haven't used it, or haven't used it much.  In every Windows 8 thread there's at least one person who seems to think Windows 8 is all metro, or that it requires the addition of third party enhancements like Start 8 to be useful, when neither is true.

Metro is just part of Win8, and other than the start screen, is completely avoidable on the desktop.  The same goes for the charms bar - if you don't like it, don't use it, you can still access everything on it in other places.

Windows 8 can do everything Windows 7 can.  You can run as many applications as you want in desktop mode, you can have as many open windows as you like simultaneously in desktop mode.  You can pin your commonly used applications to the taskbar so that you don't even have to see the start screen except when running rarely used programs.

Metro doesn't replace the traditional windows interface on the desktop, it just adds an alternative interface when you're using a touch-based device.  All of the desktop stuff you know and love is still there.
 
2014-01-22 12:05:06 AM
I'll just be happy if my work stops offering our customers, in industrial settings, a Windows OS in the first place, or at least move to server.

I'm tired of chasing OSes, although it does provide lucrative work for me.
 
2014-01-22 12:11:49 AM

meat0918: I'll just be happy if my work stops offering our customers, in industrial settings, a Windows OS in the first place, or at least move to server.

I'm tired of chasing OSes, although it does provide lucrative work for me.


because linux is so much better for end users, right? i mean, spending 2 weeks to get your WiFi working is what computing is all about!
 
2014-01-22 12:13:06 AM
OS X, biatches
 
2014-01-22 12:14:42 AM
I'd happily use Windows 8.1 if Windows didn't send me to a green screen with a stylized shopping bag and a whirly thing in the corner that just hangs forever every single time I try to upgrade.
 
2014-01-22 12:16:11 AM

Livingroom: meat0918: I'll just be happy if my work stops offering our customers, in industrial settings, a Windows OS in the first place, or at least move to server.

I'm tired of chasing OSes, although it does provide lucrative work for me.

because linux is so much better for end users, right? i mean, spending 2 weeks to get your WiFi working is what computing is all about!


Linux has its place.  It's still not ready (and likely will never be ready) for average joe general desktop use, but for server side stuff and single-purpose terminals there's nothing wrong with it.

When he mentions industrial use, I think of a terminal on a factory floor running the same application 24/7, and a Linux installation with a custom interface designed for that task is fine.
 
2014-01-22 12:16:25 AM
The only thing I use Windows (7) for is playing Windows games via Steam. Is there any reason at all for me to upgrade to Windows 8? I have yet to see a game that requires it, and if there are any new graphics technologies that require it, I'm sure my graphics card couldn't handle them anyway (have trouble with most DX11 features unless they are implemented extremely well; 1GB Radeon 6770M graphics on my MacBook Pro)...

So, yeah, I'm firmly in the "no compelling reason to upgrade" group.
 
2014-01-22 12:20:22 AM

cman: OS X, biatches


When Apple is willing to sell something like this at a similar price (I'm OK with a reasonable 'apple tax' if it comes with better build quality) I'll happily use OSX.

I don't want to buy a computer with a monitor built in, I don't want to buy a computer with no internal expansion options, and I don't want to spend big bucks on a professional level workstation (Mac Pro) and still be severely limited when it comes to expansion and upgrades.
 
2014-01-22 12:22:31 AM

Livingroom: meat0918: I'll just be happy if my work stops offering our customers, in industrial settings, a Windows OS in the first place, or at least move to server.

I'm tired of chasing OSes, although it does provide lucrative work for me.

because linux is so much better for end users, right? i mean, spending 2 weeks to get your WiFi working is what computing is all about!


These are not office computers. Stick 8 on those, end users will get over it.

I'm using VME computers with Windows XP, and need to move to 7 at management's request, but cannot find drivers without jumping processors, something we can't do lightly.  Linux or VXWorks might be my only options at this point.  They want Windows, because it sells well, but will agree to Linux if it saves them enough money,
 
2014-01-22 12:25:35 AM

TuteTibiImperes: cman: OS X, biatches

When Apple is willing to sell something like this at a similar price (I'm OK with a reasonable 'apple tax' if it comes with better build quality) I'll happily use OSX.

I don't want to buy a computer with a monitor built in, I don't want to buy a computer with no internal expansion options, and I don't want to spend big bucks on a professional level workstation (Mac Pro) and still be severely limited when it comes to expansion and upgrades.


Hackintosh, dude

Trust me. It is the most fun in your life. That is if you get it working. Otherwise you will want to shoot yourself in the head for wasting your time.
 
2014-01-22 12:28:41 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Livingroom: meat0918: I'll just be happy if my work stops offering our customers, in industrial settings, a Windows OS in the first place, or at least move to server.

I'm tired of chasing OSes, although it does provide lucrative work for me.

because linux is so much better for end users, right? i mean, spending 2 weeks to get your WiFi working is what computing is all about!

Linux has its place.  It's still not ready (and likely will never be ready) for average joe general desktop use, but for server side stuff and single-purpose terminals there's nothing wrong with it.

When he mentions industrial use, I think of a terminal on a factory floor running the same application 24/7, and a Linux installation with a custom interface designed for that task is fine.


Exactly what it is.  It runs the same application 24/7.

I don't actually look forward to having to deal with Linux, because there is a fear factor for people.  It's not Windows, so they freeze up.
 
2014-01-22 12:35:47 AM

meat0918: TuteTibiImperes: Livingroom: meat0918: I'll just be happy if my work stops offering our customers, in industrial settings, a Windows OS in the first place, or at least move to server.

I'm tired of chasing OSes, although it does provide lucrative work for me.

because linux is so much better for end users, right? i mean, spending 2 weeks to get your WiFi working is what computing is all about!

Linux has its place.  It's still not ready (and likely will never be ready) for average joe general desktop use, but for server side stuff and single-purpose terminals there's nothing wrong with it.

When he mentions industrial use, I think of a terminal on a factory floor running the same application 24/7, and a Linux installation with a custom interface designed for that task is fine.

Exactly what it is.  It runs the same application 24/7.

I don't actually look forward to having to deal with Linux, because there is a fear factor for people.  It's not Windows, so they freeze up.


Not everyone is technologically literate.

For every one of you there are 5 of them (pulling that number out of my ass, BTW).

Familiarity is important in product design. If your customers dont feel comfortable, they arent going to buy your shiat. And thats all that matters, the customer, and the customer said they didnt want Windows 8
 
2014-01-22 12:38:39 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Metro is just part of Win8, and other than the start screen, is completely avoidable on the desktop.  The same goes for the charms bar - if you don't like it, don't use it, you can still access everything on it in other places.


I'm still royally irked that the shutdown is off the charms bar.  I have a desktop on the other side of the desk so hitting the power button isn't as easy as hitting one on a laptop, and that stupid menu is maddening.  I can hit it with CTRL-ALT-DELETE and choose the power icon from there, but it's still two extra steps from 7.
 
2014-01-22 12:53:02 AM

Lsherm: TuteTibiImperes: Metro is just part of Win8, and other than the start screen, is completely avoidable on the desktop.  The same goes for the charms bar - if you don't like it, don't use it, you can still access everything on it in other places.

I'm still royally irked that the shutdown is off the charms bar.  I have a desktop on the other side of the desk so hitting the power button isn't as easy as hitting one on a laptop, and that stupid menu is maddening.  I can hit it with CTRL-ALT-DELETE and choose the power icon from there, but it's still two extra steps from 7.


you can hit winflag+x on your  keyboard, too.
 
2014-01-22 01:01:12 AM

Livingroom: Lsherm: TuteTibiImperes: Metro is just part of Win8, and other than the start screen, is completely avoidable on the desktop.  The same goes for the charms bar - if you don't like it, don't use it, you can still access everything on it in other places.

I'm still royally irked that the shutdown is off the charms bar.  I have a desktop on the other side of the desk so hitting the power button isn't as easy as hitting one on a laptop, and that stupid menu is maddening.  I can hit it with CTRL-ALT-DELETE and choose the power icon from there, but it's still two extra steps from 7.

you can hit winflag+x on your  keyboard, too.


That doesn't bring up a shutdown option unless they've included it in 8.1, which I had to roll back from because my sound card won't work in it.

I'm all for keyboard shortcuts, but if you design an interface that is dependent on a mouse, there should be some easy way to complete your tasks with the mouse as well.
 
2014-01-22 01:09:33 AM
Hell, I'm still using WinXP, but am looking to get ahold of Windows 7 (anyone out there upgrade to 8 and have an old copy lying around?). I honestly can't say I'm terribly impressed with anything I've seen or read about Win8.
 
2014-01-22 01:12:26 AM

Livingroom: Lsherm: TuteTibiImperes: Metro is just part of Win8, and other than the start screen, is completely avoidable on the desktop.  The same goes for the charms bar - if you don't like it, don't use it, you can still access everything on it in other places.

I'm still royally irked that the shutdown is off the charms bar.  I have a desktop on the other side of the desk so hitting the power button isn't as easy as hitting one on a laptop, and that stupid menu is maddening.  I can hit it with CTRL-ALT-DELETE and choose the power icon from there, but it's still two extra steps from 7.

you can hit winflag+x on your  keyboard, too.


Oh hey cool.  Thanks.  Just getting used to the new computer with 8.1 on it, and while I don't find the charms shutdown method much of a hassle, that is nice too!
 
2014-01-22 01:14:53 AM
My new laptop came in the mail today. Updated it to 8.1 installed stardock, steam, vlc, a few games to try it out, and it seems to be working fine.

Haswell 15, 16 gigs of ram, 1920 19 inch, and 4 gig nvidia 750, its a pretty quick booger, and a steal for 800 bucks.
 
2014-01-22 01:19:04 AM
Oh come on. Dick doesn't taste that bad!
 
2014-01-22 01:23:53 AM
I'll upgrade once Corporate IT says that the VPN client (Juniper) is supported. They warned that it is broken on 8.1. For now I am left with 8.
 
2014-01-22 01:25:49 AM
Well he kind of sums up why it isn't worth it at the end himself, doesn't he?

"The reality is that most of the differences in Windows 8 are cosmetic or trivial-especially compared to Windows 7. Nobody seems to freak out when a car manufacturer moves some buttons around, or changes the position of the gear shift from one model year to the next, and you don't see a big backlash of people boycotting Oreo cookies because of the dumb way the new packages open."

Yeah, and why would anyone pay a lot of money to have some cosmetic and trivial changes made when win7 is working just fine for them? You don't see a ton of people buying a 2014 model car when they just bought a 2013 model. I hope the author is trying to damn them with faint praise on purpose.
 
2014-01-22 01:26:14 AM

theflatline: My new laptop came in the mail today. Updated it to 8.1 installed stardock, steam, vlc, a few games to try it out, and it seems to be working fine.

Haswell 15, 16 gigs of ram, 1920 19 inch, and 4 gig nvidia 750, its a pretty quick booger, and a steal for 800 bucks.


That laptop would be absolutely perfect for a hackintosh
 
2014-01-22 01:33:42 AM

theflatline: My new laptop came in the mail today. Updated it to 8.1 installed stardock, steam, vlc, a few games to try it out, and it seems to be working fine.

Haswell 15, 16 gigs of ram, 1920 19 inch, and 4 gig nvidia 750, its a pretty quick booger, and a steal for 800 bucks.


Can you say that slower, maybe in a sexy voice?

Or link...
 
2014-01-22 01:45:55 AM

Ogre840: theflatline: My new laptop came in the mail today. Updated it to 8.1 installed stardock, steam, vlc, a few games to try it out, and it seems to be working fine.

Haswell 15, 16 gigs of ram, 1920 19 inch, and 4 gig nvidia 750, its a pretty quick booger, and a steal for 800 bucks.

Can you say that slower, maybe in a sexy voice?

Or link...


I got mine through work with a discount, but it can be found on the web.  Though only with 8 gigs.

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-V3-772G-6468-17-3-4200M/dp/B00FE29 BU O

Even at Walmart.

I have a Think pad that I travel with and in my bedroom I have a desk that I generally keep a laptop on for light gaming and streaming from my nas, but recently I caught a bunch of humble bundle and steam sales, and was toying with building a desktop, but I am old and cannot be bothered.

Build quality is good, giant trackpad that works well.  Though I have a wireless keyboard and mouse.  And it chews through many modern games at ultra settings.   It switches automaticall between the intel 4600.

I never had an acer, but I liked the screen res.  The only addition I will probably is add a faster hard drive.
 
2014-01-22 01:47:15 AM
Had to be said.  Win 8.1 is what you want if you are a gamer, or need speedy drive access (DB much?), or run scientific simulations, etc.  It's useful if you want to set up a Miracast system for home entertainment, or have WiFi Direct devices, or need any of the other new features.

If you don't need state of the art, and don't just enjoy living bleeding edge, then obviously you won't find a need to upgrade.  That's true any time around.  Clearly, though, if you don't like change, you aren't going to run off and use Linux either.

And if you find yourself someday in the Start Screen and feeling awkward with a tile based approach to selecting applications, just take a deep breath.  You don't need to be there.  There are other options.  But the tiles really are the fastest layout for mice, so if you stick with it you'll actually be more productive.  It really is not just a touch interface.  And you'll see, Google has a tiled app chooser on their desktop web interface, and Mac OS uses one as it's fast app chooser as well.  It really is the future, and people will get there one way or another.
 
2014-01-22 01:47:45 AM
Yes, it's a decent, even a good operating system, wrapped in a GUI that comes close to making it completely unusable because it's designed for an entirely different kind of computer.

That's... that's  what we were complaining about in the first place.
 
2014-01-22 02:02:57 AM
Okay, so out of those five reasons, the security reason is the only one that seemed kinda legit.

Yeah, I'm not going to shell out an additional $90 for that. And I'd have to flush my hard drive and reinstall all of my programs. No thanks.
 
2014-01-22 02:04:22 AM

ex0du5: But the tiles really are the fastest layout for mice, so if you stick with it you'll actually be more productive. It really is not just a touch interface. And you'll see, Google has a tiled app chooser on their desktop web interface, and Mac OS uses one as it's fast app chooser as well. It really is the future


And the past...
 
2014-01-22 02:09:27 AM
OBEY!

/it's not VISTA, we swear!
 
2014-01-22 02:14:00 AM

Jim_Callahan: Yes, it's a decent, even a good operating system, wrapped in a GUI that comes close to making it completely unusable because it's designed for an entirely different kind of computer.

That's... that's  what we were complaining about in the first place.


But that's what the article is saying. The smartphone interface shoehorned into a desktop OS is actually an improvement! Your computer is now two computers!
 
2014-01-22 02:20:27 AM
I don't think there is a version of Windows 8 for the ARM  processor. But if there is, I would love to see how slow Win 8 would be on my Raspberry Pi with its 700 MHz processor and 512 MB RAM.  Booting would probably take half a day!
 
2014-01-22 02:22:47 AM

ex0du5: Had to be said.  Win 8.1 is what you want if you are a gamer, or need speedy drive access (DB much?), or run scientific simulations, etc.  It's useful if you want to set up a Miracast system for home entertainment, or have WiFi Direct devices, or need any of the other new features.

If you don't need state of the art, and don't just enjoy living bleeding edge, then obviously you won't find a need to upgrade.  That's true any time around.  Clearly, though, if you don't like change, you aren't going to run off and use Linux either.

And if you find yourself someday in the Start Screen and feeling awkward with a tile based approach to selecting applications, just take a deep breath.  You don't need to be there.  There are other options.  But the tiles really are the fastest layout for mice, so if you stick with it you'll actually be more productive.  It really is not just a touch interface.  And you'll see, Google has a tiled app chooser on their desktop web interface, and Mac OS uses one as it's fast app chooser as well.  It really is the future, and people will get there one way or another.


Um why should gamers want windows 8? I mean if they want to fark around with a new rig there isn't alot of downside in windows 8, but I think the reason why it hasn't been successful is, well, there isn't an upside either.

It isn't direct x this time round  and there is less developer support for the smaller install base.

It is great that you like it, but come on don't spit marketing bullshiat without reason.
 
2014-01-22 02:34:22 AM
I still use and prefer WIn7 so

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2014-01-22 02:34:32 AM

Mensan: I don't think there is a version of Windows 8 for the ARM  processor. But if there is, I would love to see how slow Win 8 would be on my Raspberry Pi with its 700 MHz processor and 512 MB RAM.  Booting would probably take half a day!


Windows RT (on the Surface devices) is Windows for ARM - but I'm pretty sure they don't sell Win RT as a separate installer disk, since the ARM OS is installed from the factory on devices. I'm pretty sure the min specs for RT are 1GHz and 1 gig of ram too.
 
2014-01-22 02:35:58 AM
Back in September I got my wife a new Samsung Ultrabook with 8 on it. I hate it. Every day I use it, it pisses me off. And it feels like every day that happens I read another article telling me that I'm wrong and the problem is actually me. Sorry if it is taking me a while to come around.

My wife isn't quite as annoyed with it, though it does have problems that bug her too.

And with regards to that crack earlier in the thread about taking a week to get wifi working on linux- that person obviously hasn't actually used windows 8.1 on Samsung hardware. There are a number of hardware configurations that don't work period - video drivers, sound drivers, touchpad drivers and so on. My first update left the machine unusable and I had to pull the ssd just to get it to boot to a recovery menu.

Windows 8 is an OS - and like every OS it has good and bad points. But when I think about the three operating systems I use day to day now Linux (Fedora with KDE), Win 7 and Win 8 -- Win 8 is by far the least pleasant from a 'normal user' perspective.
 
2014-01-22 02:36:00 AM
My niece has Win8 on her laptop.  Within two seconds I nearly had to buy her a new laptop.   I'll put it like this:  I would rather get an Apple computer or go right to Linux first.  I'll stick with Win7.
 
2014-01-22 02:43:51 AM
I haven't upgraded to 8.1 yet, but I don't understand the hate for the lack of a start menu. I installed classic shell, and the boot straight to desktop option is great, but the only thing I have ever used the restored start menu for is to restart. I just shut my laptop if I want it to sleep, and the hardware power button will shut it down properly. When I think about it, with the option to pin programs like Chrome, foobar2000, and VLC to the taskbar, and the fact that utorrent will automatically open when I need it, I hardly ever used the start menu on Windows 7 either.
 
2014-01-22 02:45:28 AM

cman: TuteTibiImperes: cman: OS X, biatches

When Apple is willing to sell something like this at a similar price (I'm OK with a reasonable 'apple tax' if it comes with better build quality) I'll happily use OSX.

I don't want to buy a computer with a monitor built in, I don't want to buy a computer with no internal expansion options, and I don't want to spend big bucks on a professional level workstation (Mac Pro) and still be severely limited when it comes to expansion and upgrades.

Hackintosh, dude

Trust me. It is the most fun in your life. That is if you get it working. Otherwise you will want to shoot yourself in the head for wasting your time.


Eh, not hard to get working if you buy the right hardware.

My primary desktop these days is a Hack, nice and fast i7, plenty of RAM, slots, and drive bays.

But there's no way I'd buy anything but Apple hardware for a laptop.  Everything else is just so clunky.

Oh, and Windoze 8 is unbelievably bad.  Installing Classic Shell helps, but it's still Windoze.  Come on, it's 2014, Microsoft.  Get rid of that stupid registry already.  Even better, do what every other operating system already has, put UNIX underneath it, stop trying to write your own OS, you really aren't any good at it.
 
2014-01-22 03:02:19 AM
Windows 8.1 will save you 30 minutes over the first year by starting faster.
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How much time will it take to "get over" the fact that it has a UI for tablets bolted onto the OS?
 
2014-01-22 03:02:31 AM
I went to Windows 8 because I had a laptop that would take forever (and maybe crash) trying to suspend and resume; the same machine running the same software would suspend and resume almost as fast as I could get the lid open and my hands on the keys.  I didn't mind hitting Win+D for the desktop after I logged in.

What Windows 8.1 adds (most noticeably) is better "screen slicing".  It's no big deal at all to put (free!) OneNote plus two web pages "always open" on the left monitor, with adjustable widths, and have the monitor in front of me holding the whole "classic" desktop.  I'm finding I'm using more Metro apps in the "sliced up" monitor, and Win+Tab to switch...

Granted, I'm absolutely investing my time in using the metro-mode features, because I've made a lot of money being good at what the latest Windows is doing over the years...  but there's been a pretty steady productivity payoff for me for making the effort.

Hell, they tell me it's even worth turning on the trackpad now.
 
2014-01-22 03:02:37 AM
meh, I'll stick with Debian Mint
 
2014-01-22 03:07:48 AM
Windows 8 + Touch Screen = The way it was meant to be. While not completely perfect, I went from hating Windows 8 at launch to thinking "It's ok." I still prefer Windows 7 though and use that on my laptop, but my tablet? Windows 8 makes things a breeze.

The only real thing I still really hate on Windows 8? Ribbon Interface. Screw that crap. Hated it in Office (2007 on). Hate it in Windows. I think it makes things HARDER to find. Plus the keyboard presses I do for creating a new folder that has been a particular way since way back in the beginning (Alt + F, N, F) are now wrong. It's now in Home menu or some crap like that.

Thanks Obama.
 
2014-01-22 03:10:53 AM
Author can go fark himself. Also Windows 9 is due out late this year or early 2015 so it would be even more stupid to upgrade now (unless you are still using XP in which case what is wrong with you).
 
2014-01-22 03:15:10 AM
Ive got a surface rt and an asus win 8.1 tablet. i like the os overall, but there are a few tasks that could be streamlined. editing the charm menu would be nice too.
 
2014-01-22 03:19:06 AM
there have been comparisons made between Windows 8 and Windows Vista

Really? Because most comparison's I've seen are with Windows Millennium, an actual total failure of an OS. If anything, Vista was an OS that tried to be friendly to users, even though it failed in its goal. Millennium and 8 hate the user and actively try to mess with the user's productivity (Millennium loved crashing, and 8 does the opposite of everything you want).

there is really nothing wrong with Windows 8

If there were nothing wrong with it, people wouldn't be complaining so loudly.

Take 7 as an example. This is an OS that MS did very well. People were happy to upgrade. People couldn't sing the praises of the OS loudly enough. Everything about this OS was a step up from, not only the dismal Vista but also, WinXP.

Windows 8 will run virtually any software that you're already running on your older Windows systems

Really? Civ II seems to be having some serious trouble with all of the compatibility modes of 8. Oh, "virtually". Sure, when you use a weasel word like that, all* software can run on 8.
* except the software you really wish ran but didn't

Windows 8 delivers notably better performance than Windows 7

Except when it comes to figuring out how to do something as simple as "find an application" or "shutdown the computer" or "open that goddamned menu that seems to only open randomly, when it's least expected out of the right hand side of the window".

User behavior trumps CPU speed every time. If you can't figure out how to open an app, it doesn't matter that the OS can complete an infinite loop in 34 cycles.

The bottom line is that most printers, monitors, mice, keyboard, webcams, and other peripheral devices manufactured in the last decade should work with Windows 8 with no-or at least very little-effort.

Holy shiat, I hope so. They all worked in Windows 7 with no--or at least very little--effort.

Windows 8 is more secure. Period.

Unsubstantiated BS. His next paragraph listing "improvements" fails to go into any detail explaining how any of those things improve security of 8 over 7.

It seems that most of the Windows 8 naysayers are really just Windows (or Microsoft) naysayers in general.

No, most of the Windows 8 naysayers are people who upgraded and found they were provided an OS that was very different from what they were used to and was terrible to use. Blaming the complaints of operating system problems on "shills" (essentially) overlooks the vast amount of craptasticitude of Windows 8.

The reality is that most of the differences in Windows 8 are cosmetic or trivial-especially compared to Windows 7.

Maybe so, but those differences suck ass. They are worse than 7. They remove the things that were comfortable and working well in 7 and stripped them out, then brought in a terrible replacement start menu and ridiculous hot buttons which never seem to work the right way when you need them to.

If they are trivial, then take those changes away. Bring back the 7 interface.

Thanks, subby, for trolling the internet.
 
2014-01-22 03:20:22 AM
Another paid-for spamvert pushing an OS which should really not have to work this hard to encourage its use..

Under the bonnet, great improvements over Win7.

Forcing the end user to engage in furious battle to engage with their system... not so much.

Win8 failed on its own merits. Perhaps the lesson will be functionality>trendy.
 
2014-01-22 03:33:02 AM
Even Microsoft admits that Windows 8 stinks. They're already preparing Windows 9: The Apology.

Your marketing derp is already outdated.
 
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