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(Slate)   Filed under "Be careful of what you wish for": Being gay will no longer get you recused from jury duty   (slate.com) divider line 51
    More: Obvious, jury duty, heightened scrutiny, rational basis, retrials, Abbott Laboratories  
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2014-01-21 06:45:03 PM  
The Gay Agenda strikes again.
 
2014-01-21 06:46:19 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: The Gay Agenda strikes again.


It truly is a sad day for manly juries.
 
2014-01-21 06:46:23 PM  
Thus increasing the likelihood of hung juries
 
2014-01-21 06:46:33 PM  
oh good.  We have equality for jury duty, but not marriage.
 
2014-01-21 06:48:16 PM  
On the other hand, telling the judge that you hate lawyers and think all cops are liars still works.
 
2014-01-21 06:48:33 PM  
I didn't even know it could before.
 
2014-01-21 06:51:57 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: oh good.  We have equality for jury duty, but not marriage.


Yeah, pretty soon, they'll want the right to vote.

...

Wait a second...
 
2014-01-21 06:52:19 PM  
12 Angry Gay Men.
 
2014-01-21 06:52:52 PM  
Huh. Didn't know that was a thing.

Just them them you're an engineer. Gets me bounced right out. Courts don't like smrt people on juries. Too hard to manipulate...
 
2014-01-21 06:53:32 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: oh good.  We have equality for jury duty, but not marriage.


Some state are more equal than others but pretty much this ^^^

/Also sense my state doesn't recognized sexual orientation as a protected class I can be discriminated against over housing, or public services.
 
2014-01-21 06:54:39 PM  
mark12A:Courts don't like smrt people on juries.

Nobody likes smrt people. Juries or otherwise.
 
2014-01-21 06:55:38 PM  
Answering that you believe in Jury nullification works.
 
2014-01-21 06:58:35 PM  

toraque: On the other hand, telling the judge that you hate lawyers and think all cops are liars still works.


I'm a fan of "jury nullification".  (No really, I am!)
 
2014-01-21 07:01:12 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I didn't even know it could before.


Nor did I. Seriously, though, unless someone is openly gay how would the prosecution & defense even know a prospective juror was gay? Are they allowed to ask the person during voir dire?

The paperwork you have to fill out in Oregon when you're summoned for jury duty doesn't ask anything about a person's sexuality.
 
2014-01-21 07:03:38 PM  
Yeah making it known that you keep yourself informed usually gets you tossed out. I wonder how different out nation would be if we didn't have jury selection and just picked 12 random people without debate or vetting for every trial.
 
Ask
2014-01-21 07:03:55 PM  
So you're telling the tension in 12 Angry Men wasn't sexual?
 
2014-01-21 07:04:47 PM  
Place me in the "I didn't know this was a thing" camp.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-21 07:05:41 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie: I didn't even know it could before.

In general I doubt anybody cares. In this case, it was at least arguably relevant. The case was about HIV drug pricing.
 
2014-01-21 07:06:49 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: tinfoil-hat maggie: I didn't even know it could before.

Nor did I. Seriously, though, unless someone is openly gay how would the prosecution & defense even know a prospective juror was gay? Are they allowed to ask the person during voir dire?

The paperwork you have to fill out in Oregon when you're summoned for jury duty doesn't ask anything about a person's sexuality.


I did a GIS to find out and I think the answer is you can tell they are gay the way they redecorate the seats.

www.therecorder.com
 
2014-01-21 07:10:47 PM  

Ask: So you're telling the tension in 12 Angry Men wasn't sexual?


12 Angray Men.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-01-21 07:13:32 PM  

Here's the Reuters explanation:

During jury selection in an Oakland, California federal court, a potential juror discussed his partner by using the masculine pronoun "he" several times. The juror also said he did not know whether any of his friends were taking the medications at issue in the case.
Abbott's attorney sought to exclude the juror, and Glaxo objected, saying that Abbott was attempting to use a peremptory challenge in a discriminatory way. However, U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken allowed Abbott to exclude the juror.
 
2014-01-21 07:17:17 PM  

mark12A: Huh. Didn't know that was a thing.

Just them them you're an engineer. Gets me bounced right out. Courts don't like smrt people on juries. Too hard to manipulate...


Not true (at least for normal cases).  I was on a jury (during my last year of my PhD in chemistry) along with an electrical engineer and a pilot.  They worked harder to remove idiots and people with obvious bias.  It was a fun case involving multiple thefts from cars, breaking and entering in a VFW, a stolen car and a police chase.  The guy even got away after the police chase for a while and they found him in a friends house a couple of blocks from my apartment.  He was very guilty.

/Lafayette IN
 
2014-01-21 07:17:48 PM  
ShawnDoc: I'm a fan of "jury nullification".  (No really, I am!)

I read New Hampshire actually passed a law that requires the court to inform the jury about Jury Nullification. Yet another reason I can't wait to move there this summer..
 
2014-01-21 07:18:11 PM  
Are atheist jurors still subject to removal?  And aren't there a couple of states where an atheist cannot testify in court?
 
2014-01-21 07:18:34 PM  

Ask: So you're telling the tension in 12 Angry Men wasn't sexual?


Well, with Juror 10 it was
 
2014-01-21 07:22:48 PM  

mark12A: Huh. Didn't know that was a thing.

Just them them you're an engineer. Gets me bounced right out. Courts don't like smrt people on juries. Too hard to manipulate...


Maybe they don't like smug people...
 
2014-01-21 07:23:36 PM  

Ask: So you're telling the tension in 12 Angry Men wasn't sexual?


So it shouldnt be in your pron collection next to your copy of fisting firemen 5
 
2014-01-21 07:25:32 PM  

lennavan: Bathia_Mapes: tinfoil-hat maggie: I didn't even know it could before.

Nor did I. Seriously, though, unless someone is openly gay how would the prosecution & defense even know a prospective juror was gay? Are they allowed to ask the person during voir dire?

The paperwork you have to fill out in Oregon when you're summoned for jury duty doesn't ask anything about a person's sexuality.

I did a GIS to find out and I think the answer is you can tell they are gay the way they redecorate the seats.

[www.therecorder.com image 300x235]


Wait a minute aren't some of those chairs supposed to be white?

/sorry
 
2014-01-21 07:32:45 PM  

Phony_Soldier: 12 Angry Gay Men.


Don't piss us off! We'll bring back bell-bottoms.
 
2014-01-21 07:33:09 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Thus increasing the likelihood of hung juries


Ha!
 
2014-01-21 07:36:13 PM  

Dinjiin: Are atheist jurors still subject to removal?  And aren't there a couple of states where an atheist cannot testify in court?


My state(NC), but it's in the same constitutional provision that forbids atheists from holding office, so it's likely been struck down.
 
2014-01-21 07:36:13 PM  

Dinjiin: Are atheist jurors still subject to removal?  And aren't there a couple of states where an atheist cannot testify in court?


No, they just affirm instead of swear.

/I'm good enough, and smart enough, and gosh darn it, I won't tell a lie in court.
 
2014-01-21 07:38:45 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Phony_Soldier: 12 Angry Gay Men.

Don't piss us off! We'll bring back bell-bottoms.


Please do. No the big 70's ones but the flair 90's ones.
 
2014-01-21 07:45:29 PM  
It might, if they do the typical public bathroom hookup that seems so popular amongst those folks while in court.
 
2014-01-21 07:47:46 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: oh good.  We have equality for jury duty, but not marriage.


I've never understood the focus on marriage equality (although, I'm all for it). In something like 40 states, it's perfectly legal to fire someone, deny them education, a job, a promotion, housing, or public accommodations due to sexual orientation. To me, that would be the bigger issue especially as you could always just have the religious ceremony and tell the state to fark off.
 
2014-01-21 07:49:15 PM  

mark12A: ShawnDoc: I'm a fan of "jury nullification".  (No really, I am!)

I read New Hampshire actually passed a law that requires the court to inform the jury about Jury Nullification. Yet another reason I can't wait to move there this summer..


Which is the complete opposite of everywhere else where it is pretty much illegal to tell potential jurors about nullifcation.

They don't say it is illegal, but a guy got arrested for jury tampering because he was giving out pamphlets on the subject in front of the courthouse.
 
2014-01-21 07:49:56 PM  
Really, Jury duty?  Hell, I've been married before.  The threat of divorce a second time keeps me from being on the side of anyone that wants marriage rights..though the 'rites' of marriage are just fine with me, the legal, social, and intrapersonal ramnifications for a few bucks saved at tax time are um, well wasted on a wiser version of my previous self. Good Luck y'all.
 
2014-01-21 07:55:19 PM  

mark12A: Huh. Didn't know that was a thing.

Just them them you're an engineer. Gets me bounced right out. Courts don't like smrt people on juries. Too hard to manipulate...


I would assume that this advice presumes that one actually IS an engineer. It's being a good idea rather depends upon that.
 
2014-01-21 07:59:04 PM  
Just for the record, compulsory jury duty should be illegal under the 13th Amendment.
 
2014-01-21 08:08:58 PM  

whidbey: Just for the record, compulsory jury duty should be illegal under the 13th Amendment.


Well Im pretty sure the SCOTUS rulling where they held that the military draft didnt violate 13th would be applied there.
 
2014-01-21 08:11:33 PM  
i2.photobucket.com
The best laid plans of mice and men and Rick Hardman, the flaming man in the skinny jeans who wanted nothing but to get out of his civic duty. Rick Hardman, now just a part of a dull legal landscape, just a piece of the rabble, just a fragment of what man has deeded to himself. Mr. Rick Hardman in the Twilight Zone.
 
2014-01-21 08:28:33 PM  

Phony_Soldier: 12 Angry Gay FABULOUS Men.

 
2014-01-21 09:01:29 PM  
Ha! This would be modified the first time the entire jury sat in the same chair!
 
2014-01-21 09:20:47 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Ha! This would be modified the first time the entire jury sat in the same chair!


Three stools maybe, but one chair?
 
2014-01-21 09:23:17 PM  
ohmygodwhothehellcares.jpg

It's supposed to be a downside of being treated like people that you end up being treated like people?  SHOCKING
 
2014-01-21 10:21:23 PM  
Double dukes...
assets.sbnation.com
 
2014-01-21 10:30:27 PM  

DubtodaIll: Yeah making it known that you keep yourself informed usually gets you tossed out.


On my latest call to the jury box, it was clear in voir dire that I knew legal terms that the average person didn't know.  I was asked questions that led to me answering how I understood things like that the jury isn't supposed to consider the sentence when making a verdict, because we're the finders of fact and that is an issue for the sentencing phase.  I think I also used the word "counsel" to refer to the prosecution and defense.

The prosecutor dropped me as his first peremptory challenge. =^-^=
 
2014-01-21 10:49:14 PM  
Yeah,  I tried to use the multiple special needs claim to get off a jury, that I am a super fidgety, slightly schizophrenic, ADD and need amplified hearing assistance...  Blew me away... Judge said that he didn't care... "We will provide you with extra breaks as needed and will provide hearing assistance devices..."  I'll be damned... they had a hearing-loop system in the court room which already connected to my hearing aid system.  At least it was a one-half day trial.   Defendant blew a .285 and even I could see through is conspiracy theory stories. We almost acquitted him solely because the arresting cop was an arrogant douche, but the blow and video was all we needed.
 
2014-01-22 02:46:35 AM  

ShawnDoc: toraque: On the other hand, telling the judge that you hate lawyers and think all cops are liars still works.

I'm a fan of "jury nullification".  (No really, I am!)


Sovereign Citizen here. Well, I know enough about them to fake the crazy anyway.
 
2014-01-22 12:16:48 PM  

haemaker: Dinjiin: Are atheist jurors still subject to removal?  And aren't there a couple of states where an atheist cannot testify in court?

No, they just affirm instead of swear.

/I'm good enough, and smart enough, and gosh darn it, I won't tell a lie in court.


Uh, no.  North carolina, it is unconstitutional to accept testimony from someone who "denies the existence of our lord."
 
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