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2014-01-21 09:33:00 PM  

theknuckler_33: Jument: I had a bird feeder for a while. I fought an ongoing battle with the squirrels. I love squirrels but they would empty the feeder in a day. I solved that eventually. Then one night I stepped onto my deck and found four giant raccoons eating seed off the ground that the birds had dropped. That plus the fact that the seed the stupid birds knocked on the ground started sprouting up made me stop feeding the birds.

When I'm old and retired and bored I'll probably take it up again.

You could try a thistle feeder and attract the finches. I think the holes are small enough the squirrels can't get to it... plus, I'm not sure they like that kind of seed.


I just mount hanging bird feeders to a pulley under my eave in front of a window.  The buggers haven't been able to get to them and we can watch the birds from inside.  The pulley idea is great since I only had to use the ladder once to install, and just untie the line to let the feeder down to refill.

An uncle has his feeders on posts in the open part of his yard where they can't jump on them, and has 4' of round air duct wrapped around the post, keeping the squirrels from climbing.
 
2014-01-21 09:33:59 PM  

Abacus9: I was about to reply with this, but you beat me to it. I wonder if he was trolling.


Hard to say around here.  Could just be stupid.
 
2014-01-21 09:38:29 PM  

lack of warmth: zzrhardy: We had a soliciter couple buy the house next door, and spent 6 months doing noisy/dusty renovations. Still no problem, till the day they finished and actually moved in.

Okay, what's a 'soliciter couple'?

Maybe you could've took it a little further and cut a tree down in your backyard.


Sorry, misspelt "solicitor". Imagine a laywer who specialises in pettiness.
 
2014-01-21 09:42:24 PM  

zeio: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Not to step on anyone's tweenage-libertarian rant, but how is that a "yet"?

How is pointing out the destruction of the middle class, debt and the horrible job situation a "libertarian rant"?

Whats your proposal to fix the middle class? Where do you draw the line about what governments can and cannot tell you what to do?

Another John Stewart type snickering and laughing and being a snarky online twerker while offering no solutions and laughing as the place burns to the ground. Real her0.


The government has "destroyed" the middle class? In some way other than by cutting rich people's taxes and the government programs that helped build the middle class in the first place?
 
2014-01-21 09:43:02 PM  

zzrhardy: When I lived in Brisbane (opposite a police station), I had a bird bath out the front for about 5 years because our summers are brutal, and the birds get damn thirsty. We had a soliciter couple buy the house next door, and spent 6 months doing noisy/dusty renovations. Still no problem, till the day they finished and actually moved in.

I got an legal threat in my letterbox the next day about the bird bath - apparently during the heat of the day about some galahs that turned up in the heat of the day - and they considered them pests.

Meh, it was bullshiat but I had more important battles to fight at the time, so that Saturday I was out front demolishing the bird bath, which drew the coppers attention (they'd smoke out back which was directly opposite our driveway). Had a chat and finished the job.

That monday, the police put in their own birdbath, and get this - a parrot feeder. Within a week we had whole flocks of screaming sulfur crested cockatoos hanging around the police station. These are big birds and they are loud - sounding like a pterodactyl from "Lost Planet". It was piss funny.

Sometimes when they started before 6am in the morning it was mildly annoying, but both myself and my (other neighbour) both agreed it was worth it. Couple of weeks later, one of the coppers (butting out his ciggy) wryly commented they hadn't received any complaints yet.


bwahahaha. Nice.
 
2014-01-21 09:46:56 PM  

zzrhardy: When I lived in Brisbane (opposite a police station), I had a bird bath out the front for about 5 years because our summers are brutal, and the birds get damn thirsty. We had a soliciter couple buy the house next door, and spent 6 months doing noisy/dusty renovations. Still no problem, till the day they finished and actually moved in.

I got an legal threat in my letterbox the next day about the bird bath - apparently during the heat of the day about some galahs that turned up in the heat of the day - and they considered them pests.

Meh, it was bullshiat but I had more important battles to fight at the time, so that Saturday I was out front demolishing the bird bath, which drew the coppers attention (they'd smoke out back which was directly opposite our driveway). Had a chat and finished the job.

That monday, the police put in their own birdbath, and get this - a parrot feeder. Within a week we had whole flocks of screaming sulfur crested cockatoos hanging around the police station. These are big birds and they are loud - sounding like a pterodactyl from "Lost Planet". It was piss funny.

Sometimes when they started before 6am in the morning it was mildly annoying, but both myself and my (other neighbour) both agreed it was worth it. Couple of weeks later, one of the coppers (butting out his ciggy) wryly commented they hadn't received any complaints yet.


This appears to be a work of fiction set on another planet. Cockatoos are from the pet store; they don't just fly around.
 
2014-01-21 09:47:32 PM  

lack of warmth: zzrhardy: We had a soliciter couple buy the house next door, and spent 6 months doing noisy/dusty renovations. Still no problem, till the day they finished and actually moved in.

Okay, what's a 'soliciter couple'?

Maybe you could've took it a little further and cut a tree down in your backyard.


Soliciter is fancy talk fer Lawyer.
 
2014-01-21 09:51:11 PM  

lack of warmth: theknuckler_33: Jument: I had a bird feeder for a while. I fought an ongoing battle with the squirrels. I love squirrels but they would empty the feeder in a day. I solved that eventually. Then one night I stepped onto my deck and found four giant raccoons eating seed off the ground that the birds had dropped. That plus the fact that the seed the stupid birds knocked on the ground started sprouting up made me stop feeding the birds.

When I'm old and retired and bored I'll probably take it up again.

You could try a thistle feeder and attract the finches. I think the holes are small enough the squirrels can't get to it... plus, I'm not sure they like that kind of seed.

I just mount hanging bird feeders to a pulley under my eave in front of a window.  The buggers haven't been able to get to them and we can watch the birds from inside.  The pulley idea is great since I only had to use the ladder once to install, and just untie the line to let the feeder down to refill.

An uncle has his feeders on posts in the open part of his yard where they can't jump on them, and has 4' of round air duct wrapped around the post, keeping the squirrels from climbing.


If your eaves are deep enough, this works great. I have a suet feeder and a tube feeder that the squirrels can't get to. Drives them nuts trying different angles of attack, and gives me great enjoyment to watch them fail. I have a large feeder next to a transom window that I let the squirrels eat from, to amuse the cats who have sleeping platforms at the level of the window. The squirrels appear to enjoy taunting the cats through the glass.

Finch feeders don't appeal to squirrels if you put only thistle seed in them. Squirrels will eat the finch mix that has millet seeds in it.
 
2014-01-21 09:59:13 PM  

theknuckler_33: Bonzo_1116: Here's a question, how in the hell is the average resident of this hell-burb supposed to find out about the local birdfeeder regulations?

They get a notification in the mail. No fine is levied until you ignore usually multiple notices. The couple in TFA was not fined.


Just lame, what if someone plonks down a couple hundred bucks on some yuppie handcrafted artisanal birdfeeder that doesn't meet spec?    This sounds like a petty cash scam on the part of the city----"We'll levy a fine on you, but won't tell you what for until it's too late! Tee Hee!"  You just know that the council is merely "choosing" to not fine, if they wanted they could fine folks immediately.

If it's really that much of a public health issue, they'd have ad campaigns and such telling you all about it.

/The notice is filed in the cabinet behind the locked door in the basement with the notice: Beware of the leopard.
 
2014-01-21 10:04:31 PM  

mbillips: Cockatoos are from the pet store; they don't just fly around.


Most of Queensland is a pet store. And a banana plantation. And a shark bikini infested barrier reef.
 
2014-01-21 10:07:39 PM  

zzrhardy: lack of warmth: zzrhardy: We had a soliciter couple buy the house next door, and spent 6 months doing noisy/dusty renovations. Still no problem, till the day they finished and actually moved in.

Okay, what's a 'soliciter couple'?

Maybe you could've took it a little further and cut a tree down in your backyard.

Sorry, misspelt "solicitor". Imagine a laywer who specialises in pettiness.


Ah, lawyer scum.  Got it.  You could've took them a nice house warming gift, then 'trip' on their step as you got to their door.  They'd be too freaked out to mess with you for a while, rinse and repeat.

/watch the spelling, grammar nazi's are everywhere.
 
2014-01-21 10:08:47 PM  

BitwiseShift: mbillips: Cockatoos are from the pet store; they don't just fly around.

Most of Queensland is a pet store. And a banana plantation. And a shark bikini infested barrier reef.


QUEENSland? Oh, sure, like that's a real place. Next you'll tell me they have a town there called Sunshine Coast. Where the fairies dance among the candycane forest, no doubt.
 
2014-01-21 10:12:03 PM  

mbillips: This appears to be a work of fiction set on another planet. Cockatoos are from the pet store; they don't just fly around.


It's funny watching the blood drain from the face of a fresh exchange student, say from China, who hears their first screeching wild Cockatoo.  They can be safely inside, and the Cockatoo can be outside a hundred meters away, doesn't matter. It sounds like something from Jurassic Park.

*eyes widen*
"What the fark was that?"


I always "talk" to the cockies when I see them in trees or on power lines as well, they are pretty friendly for a wild animal and enjoy the attention. They will put on a little dance/show for you with their crests.

* PS - by "talk" I mean using a regular stream of  click consonants . It's a habit I got into around farm animals so they can hear me moving around and I don't startle them by appearing somewhere unexpected.
 
2014-01-21 10:28:26 PM  
Welcome to the guano factory.
 
2014-01-21 10:32:39 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: zeio: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Not to step on anyone's tweenage-libertarian rant, but how is that a "yet"?

How is pointing out the destruction of the middle class, debt and the horrible job situation a "libertarian rant"?


Same way that crying that all freedom is lost is pointing out the destruction of the middle class, debt, and the horrible job situation.


Whats your proposal to fix the middle class?
Treat capital gains as ordinary income, raise the marginal tax rate over $1M/yr, put real limits on political contributions (and tax political religious organisations), break up anything that's "too big to fail," spend tax money on infrastructure and education and science rather than corporate welfare and the military, strengthen labor and discrimination law, destroy employers who knowingly use illegal labor, give adequate staff and better teeth to enforcement of securities and antitrust and tax regulation, end the war on drugs (and militarisation of the police), reduce military operations overseas, enhance and streamline the social safety net, improve access to family planning resources, move to single-payer healthcare, and stop electing total assholes.


Sounds good. Proceed......
 
2014-01-21 10:42:11 PM  
Bethlehem? Did the feeder attract mountain hawks? Did that make English majors feel better?
 
2014-01-21 10:45:43 PM  
That's some pretty thorough reading comprehension fail, there, subby. Article states that the town provided the couple notices twice over ~2 weeks that they would soon have to take the feeders down to avoid fines, then met with the couple to evaluate the policy, and ultimately decided that they could keep the feeder up.
 
2014-01-21 10:59:55 PM  

Bonzo_1116: theknuckler_33: Bonzo_1116: Here's a question, how in the hell is the average resident of this hell-burb supposed to find out about the local birdfeeder regulations?

They get a notification in the mail. No fine is levied until you ignore usually multiple notices. The couple in TFA was not fined.

Just lame, what if someone plonks down a couple hundred bucks on some yuppie handcrafted artisanal birdfeeder that doesn't meet spec?    This sounds like a petty cash scam on the part of the city----"We'll levy a fine on you, but won't tell you what for until it's too late! Tee Hee!"  You just know that the council is merely "choosing" to not fine, if they wanted they could fine folks immediately.

If it's really that much of a public health issue, they'd have ad campaigns and such telling you all about it.

/The notice is filed in the cabinet behind the locked door in the basement with the notice: Beware of the leopard.


I'm not defending the ordinance, but I hardly think a bird feeder ordinance was designed as a cash-flow scheme for the town ala traffic cameras. I'm guessing some guy at one time had 500 bird feeders in his yard and it was a farking nuisance and the ordinance was their ham-handed way of trying to deal with it.

/just a guess
 
2014-01-21 11:04:29 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: zeio: Welcome to where the labor participation rate is the lowest in 30 years, yet there are 90 million more people than in 1983.


Not to step on anyone's tweenage-libertarian rant, but how is that a "yet"?

ZAZ: Invite the neighbors over for a hunting party.

The most dangerous game.


I think what MonkeyFark is trying to point out is that you directly compared a rate and a single number. That is a meaningless comparison.
 
2014-01-21 11:06:18 PM  

LoneVVolf: That's some pretty thorough reading comprehension fail, there, subby. Article states that the town provided the couple notices twice over ~2 weeks that they would soon have to take the feeders down to avoid fines, then met with the couple to evaluate the policy, and ultimately decided that they could keep the feeder up.


Dude, stop trying to make sense on Fark. That's not what we do here, and no one's havin it.
 
2014-01-21 11:10:47 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Whats your proposal to fix the middle class?
Treat capital gains as ordinary income, raise the marginal tax rate over $1M/yr,


Personally I'd do something like split income into 'earned' and 'unearned' - Earned is money you get through labor, Unearned is what you get from what you own.  Somebody who runs a rental business and does the management would be able to split their income into both.

Give each category a $10k exemption, then apply identical progressive scales to it.  So it wouldn't really matter to people like Romney how they structure it, because they're hitting the max anyways, but that $10k exemption on both sides encourages people to both work and save, and the $100k or so in investments it'd take to max out the $10k is a heck of a safety net.

put real limits on political contributions (and tax political religious organisations), break up anything that's "too big to fail," spend tax money on infrastructure and education and science rather than corporate welfare and the military, strengthen labor and discrimination law, destroy employers who knowingly use illegal labor, give adequate staff and better teeth to enforcement of securities and antitrust and tax regulation, end the war on drugs (and militarisation of the police), reduce military operations overseas, enhance and streamline the social safety net, improve access to family planning resources, move to single-payer healthcare, and stop electing total assholes.

Not going to nitpick this list as it's only an internet post, and looks mostly good anyways.  I'd end personal welfare as well(disability remains intact) - start up a 'fedjobs' program to work on that infrastructure.
 
2014-01-21 11:28:14 PM  
Remember, the BTK KIller was a code enforcement officer.  Time to address the real problem in Bethlehem instead of using squirrels and chipmunks as cover.
 
2014-01-21 11:32:05 PM  
The best part is the quote "I took all the feeders down" is followed by a description of "the only remaining feeder".

I guess "all" meant something else during The Great Depression.
 
2014-01-21 11:33:25 PM  

King Something: The part of the Town Code they were violating by feeding birds, was it put in place before or after they started feeding the birds?

If it was in place before, then the couple would have to pay the fine or challenge the validity of the law in court (and probably be forced to pay all court costs beforehand, lest precedent be set that the poors have just as much right to challenge unjust laws as real people, but that's another discussion for another thread).

If it wasn't implemented until after they started, then the part of the US Constitution which prohibits ex post facto laws means that the couple can continue feeding the birds without paying so much as one Zimbabwean dollar in fines and anyone on the town council who doesn't like it can go lick a horse's ass.


Great, then I'll just light up a cigarette in a restaurant because I used to do that legally, then drive my car home with a .10 BAC because that used to be legal as well.  No need to renew my driver's license or registration because I have driven legally in the past.  Just because something was once legal doesn't mean it still is.  Ex post facto prevents the state from charging you for committing the act before it was illegal, but if it is made illegal and you commit the act again you can certainly be charged.  Just because some laws have a "grandfather clause" built into them does not mean it is a requirement.
 
2014-01-21 11:34:31 PM  
Behold the beauty and ugliness of the democratic process in action!
 
2014-01-21 11:51:51 PM  

zeio: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Not to step on anyone's tweenage-libertarian rant, but how is that a "yet"?

How is pointing out the destruction of the middle class, debt and the horrible job situation a "libertarian rant"?

Whats your proposal to fix the middle class? Where do you draw the line about what governments can and cannot tell you what to do?

Another John Stewart type snickering and laughing and being a snarky online twerker while offering no solutions and laughing as the place burns to the ground. Real her0.


Kind of wondering why this is taking place in a threat about a bird feeder.

But, hey, this is Fark.
 
2014-01-22 12:50:21 AM  
Why all the squirrel hate?
 
2014-01-22 01:07:03 AM  
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2014-01-22 07:44:41 AM  

Mr. Shabooboo: [img.fark.net image 850x1010]


At least that one wouldn't attract squirrels!  ;)
 
2014-01-22 08:54:44 AM  
Glorious.

Ominous headline of outrageous social injustice.
Article: Issue was cleared up, no big deal, no hard feelings.
Fark comments lit up with furious wanking over fascist police states crushing opposition and the death of freedom forever.
 
2014-01-22 01:29:28 PM  
Article [VIII] Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
 
2014-01-22 04:27:00 PM  

foxtail: Article [VIII] Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Then it's a good thing none of that actually happened.
 
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