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(Fox News)   Fark: New Colorado law would require engaged couples to enroll in "pre-marriage education classes." TotalFark: 10 hours for a first marriage, 20 hours for a second, and 30 for a third. UltraFark: Doesn't apply to gay couples   (foxnews.com) divider line 142
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2014-01-21 03:34:56 PM
Yay for state intervention! The government always knows best!
 
2014-01-21 03:41:49 PM
"A California group has proposed a ballot initiative in Colorado"

Go away.
 
2014-01-21 03:45:02 PM

James!: "A California group has proposed a ballot initiative in Colorado"

Go away.


THIS.  And I don't even live in Colorado.

Alyx Reese-Giles, who was married for the third time in November, told the newspaper that despite completing six months of marriage counseling through her church, her second marriage lasted less than two months.

Ah, the Sanctity of Marriage.
 
2014-01-21 03:59:06 PM
They'd be better off requiring high school classes in home economics, how to budget.  How interest works (savings, credit card, and mortgage).  What employers want, how to handle getting and having a job.  What it means to have a kid, how emotionally and financially children affect your life.

Because these are the things that break up marriages.  Kids need basic life skills, and then marriage will take care if itself.
 
2014-01-21 04:10:01 PM
How about for 6th marriages?

/sister is an idiot.
//has a master's degree in finding same
 
2014-01-21 04:17:57 PM
Proposed ballot initiative, subby. Not a law. Even if they get it on a ballot it won't fly.

Favorite quote from article: "This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard."

LOL.
 
2014-01-21 04:23:24 PM
"reduce the billions of dollars taxpayers spend annually on divorce"

So divorces are tax-funded in Colorado?  Most states make you pay for them.
 
2014-01-21 04:26:43 PM

netizencain: "reduce the billions of dollars taxpayers spend annually on divorce"


Pre-marriage education classes aren't going to save anyone any money on divorces. All they're going to do is make people spend money unnecessarily on a bunch of pointless classes, the providers of whom are no doubt going to spend handsomely on some lobbying now.
 
2014-01-21 04:29:31 PM
I like the fact that it's longer for each subsequent marriage. I imagine most of the 30 hours for the 3rd consist of the counselor shouting things like, "Are you crazy or just stupid? WTF do you think you're doing? Dumbass, you're a two time loser; obviously you can't handle a relationship. Really, save us all some time and go ahead and file the divorce papers - you know how, don't you?" and so on.
 
2014-01-21 04:38:22 PM

MrBallou: I like the fact that it's longer for each subsequent marriage. I imagine most of the 30 hours for the 3rd consist of the counselor shouting things like, "Are you crazy or just stupid? WTF do you think you're doing? Dumbass, you're a two time loser; obviously you can't handle a relationship. Really, save us all some time and go ahead and file the divorce papers - you know how, don't you?" and so on.


I like that fact, too, but I really think there should be a multiplier used for each child that the prospective newlyweds bring to the mix. It could actually be a sliding multiplier of the child's age X .15. So if it's a third marriage, and the woman has a 10-year-old (10 X .15=1.5) and a 7-year-old (7 X .15=1.05) and the man has a 16-year-old (16 X .15=2.4), the total multiplier would be 4.95. That times 30 hours is 148.5 hours. That seems sufficient.
 
2014-01-21 05:04:20 PM
All blank marriage licenses should be tucked in the collar around the neck of a bear. Anyone who wants to get married wrestles the bear.

Divorce papers are around the same bear's neck.
 
2014-01-21 05:06:37 PM
Ahh yes.  The gold old "Crappy Counselor Full Employment Act".
 
2014-01-21 05:08:47 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Alyx Reese-Giles, who was married for the third time in November, told the newspaper that despite completing six months of marriage counseling through her church, her second marriage lasted less than two months.

Ah, the Sanctity of Marriage.


You can't tell me that you don't have a clue the marriage is in trouble if you're getting divorced after two months.  Why even go through with it in the first place.
 
2014-01-21 05:38:59 PM
What if it's a first for one and second for the other?  15 hours?

and mostly this:

James!: "A California group has proposed a ballot initiative in Colorado"

Go away.

 
2014-01-21 06:27:31 PM

Earguy: They'd be better off requiring high school classes in home economics, how to budget.  How interest works (savings, credit card, and mortgage).  What employers want, how to handle getting and having a job.  What it means to have a kid, how emotionally and financially children affect your life.

Because these are the things that break up marriages.  Kids need basic life skills, and then marriage will take care if itself.


Well said. Money Management is right up there with sex ed, IMHO.
 
2014-01-21 06:28:40 PM

netizencain: Most states make you pay for them.


You do. Divorces are really expensive.

/Because they're worth it
 
2014-01-21 06:31:08 PM
Oh god, the comments are great:

this wouldn't be necessary if the gov't hadn't interfered with marriage by promoting women over men since the 70s. Now the vast majority of women aren't even worthy of marriage. Too self centered. The law is on their side if it doesn't work out...in her favor. A man can lie to get married and he gains nothing.

...

And, after four marriages the state will send the couple to a reeducation camp where they will never be heard from again. If there are any children they will become wards of the state and be brought up under the caring indoctrination of the elite propaganda bureau.
 
2014-01-21 06:32:48 PM

Wadded Beef: Earguy: They'd be better off requiring high school classes in home economics, how to budget.  How interest works (savings, credit card, and mortgage).  What employers want, how to handle getting and having a job.  What it means to have a kid, how emotionally and financially children affect your life.

Because these are the things that break up marriages.  Kids need basic life skills, and then marriage will take care if itself.

Well said. Money Management is right up there with sex ed, IMHO.


Couldn't agree more. My grade 8 math teacher actually sat us down and devoted some classes to understanding compound interest, which kept me out of so much financial trouble later on, so if you ever read this, thanks, Mr. Holmes.
 
2014-01-21 07:03:44 PM
This thread is just an excuse for "real" Colorado residents to biatch about recently settled California transplants isn't it? These are getting pretty popular.
 
2014-01-21 07:16:35 PM
Is this to discourage polygamy?
 
2014-01-21 07:51:51 PM

MrBallou: I like the fact that it's longer for each subsequent marriage. I imagine most of the 30 hours for the 3rd consist of the counselor shouting things like, "Are you crazy or just stupid? WTF do you think you're doing? Dumbass, you're a two time loser; obviously you can't handle a relationship. Really, save us all some time and go ahead and file the divorce papers - you know how, don't you?" and so on.


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"Scared Single".
 
2014-01-21 08:14:36 PM

kimwim: How about for 6th marriages?

/sister is an idiot.
//has a master's degree in finding same


But, is she hot?

/ I actually think this is a good idea; most marriages end because of petty nonsense
 
2014-01-21 08:15:13 PM
Here in florida it's an optional thing. "Do this, we'll discount the cost of your marriage license." Of course, there is no control on the quality of the program actually provided. Abby Tom, Dick, or Harry who calls themselves "reverend" can sign off on it.
 
2014-01-21 08:15:28 PM

Ambivalence: Proposed ballot initiative, subby. Not a law. Even if they get it on a ballot it won't fly.

Favorite quote from article: "This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard."

LOL.


About a decade ago, someone proposed that Colorado split its electoral vote proportionally. The PAC against it was called Coloradans Against a Really Stupid Idea.

They know their stupid.
 
2014-01-21 08:17:43 PM

Earguy: They'd be better off requiring high school classes in home economics,


Yes, most marriages end due to finances crumbling.

The indoctrination centers formerly known as schools do not want smart, free thinking people. They want wage and debt slaves droning along spending everything they have from today until at least 2-3 years out. Leased cars, car payments, massive mortgages, credit card debt. All promoted here. Never taught. They should replace this marriage counseling with the Dave Ramsey program or something like it.

But the banking cabal, Goldman, etc, that fund every business and political campaign want stupid people to keep politicians in place that wont put the Glass Steagall act back in place.

"Teach your children well" The State wont do it.
 
2014-01-21 08:17:44 PM

Earguy: They'd be better off requiring high school classes in home economics, how to budget.  How interest works (savings, credit card, and mortgage).  What employers want, how to handle getting and having a job.  What it means to have a kid, how emotionally and financially children affect your life.

Because these are the things that break up marriages.  Kids need basic life skills, and then marriage will take care if itself.


I have always wondered why we don't do this.
 
2014-01-21 08:18:33 PM

Gunny Highway: This thread is just an excuse for "real" Colorado residents to biatch about recently settled California transplants isn't it? These are getting pretty popular.


Hey if you legalize weed, you gotta take the good with the bad
 
2014-01-21 08:19:14 PM

RminusQ: They know their stupid.


They know they are stupid?

Or they know "their" stupid - as in knowing Colorado's stupid population when they see it?
 
2014-01-21 08:21:05 PM

kronicfeld: Pre-marriage education classes aren't going to save anyone any money on divorces


So the same government that tell you what birdfeeders your can put on your property or forces you to have a permit and a license to have a lemonade stand or sell hot dogs from a cart, this same cradle to grave totalitarian government can do all of that.

But now you put your foot down with a program to try and save the crumbling family by attempting to educate people about what marriage is about before they get into it and produce idiot kids that grow up in broken families?

Gotta love people's thinking.
 
2014-01-21 08:21:05 PM
As a Californian, I'm sorry that these retards are peddling their brand of retardation in your state.
 
2014-01-21 08:21:05 PM

BizarreMan: Benevolent Misanthrope: Alyx Reese-Giles, who was married for the third time in November, told the newspaper that despite completing six months of marriage counseling through her church, her second marriage lasted less than two months.

Ah, the Sanctity of Marriage.

You can't tell me that you don't have a clue the marriage is in trouble if you're getting divorced after two months.  Why even go through with it in the first place.


This is not a sign that the church-sponsored/required pre-marriage counseling didn't work. It's a sign that she and her turn-fiancee didn't take it seriously. You can mentally sleep through those classes if you want. It's not like they're pass/fail.
 
2014-01-21 08:21:06 PM

kimwim: How about for 6th marriages?

/sister is an idiot.
//has a master's degree in finding same


Your sister sounds like someone I know. This "lady" has four kids from four guys, two of which she was not married to. On her fifth marriage now.

I don't think this is a bad proposal (ba dum tssh). Reminds me of those classes for soon to be divorced ones.
 
2014-01-21 08:21:42 PM

nickdaisy: Yay for state intervention! The government always knows best!


Wait, I thought anything a state government did was OK, as long as it wasn't the mean ol' Feds.
 
2014-01-21 08:23:33 PM
What they really need is a class teaching how to give a perfect-nevermind, gotta go, my wife is in the room.
 
2014-01-21 08:23:59 PM

beakerxf: Kids need basic life skills


The banking cabal that runs police state USA doesnt want smart free thinking individuals with great knowledge. They want mindless wage slaves in massive debt spending every dime they will ever make before they make it.
 
2014-01-21 08:25:31 PM
*then-fiance.

Stupid autocorrect!
 
2014-01-21 08:25:38 PM
Apparently somebody in Colorado thinks that marriage is something that can be taught. If you just pound it into the dumbass's numbskulls often enough.

On the plus side gays are apparently smart enough not to not need this kind of remedial instruction despite having no better parents than anybody else.

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."  -- W.C. Fields.

If he's not qualified as a marriage councelor, I don't know who is. Also a child psychology expert.
 
2014-01-21 08:25:52 PM
Awesome for Colorado.

Charge a 'fee',  bump it up every year.     Mo' money, mo' money.
 
2014-01-21 08:26:54 PM
Wow. What were they smoking when they propo-

Oh, right. Carry on.
 
2014-01-21 08:27:18 PM
Utterly pointless, as no matter how much premarriage counseling you get, unexpected shiat can happen and screw up an otherwise functional marriage.
 
2014-01-21 08:28:07 PM
Hey, it's a bunch of Californians, go back to CA and pass that there - I'm SURE Hollywood would be BIG supporters of that - hell, make it reality TV show....

Man, I've hear some stupid ideas, but this is a real dumb one.  Wow.  Like there is any chance that we can make people smarter agaist their will.
 
2014-01-21 08:34:35 PM

Wadded Beef: Earguy: They'd be better off requiring high school classes in home economics, how to budget.  How interest works (savings, credit card, and mortgage).  What employers want, how to handle getting and having a job.  What it means to have a kid, how emotionally and financially children affect your life.

Because these are the things that break up marriages.  Kids need basic life skills, and then marriage will take care if itself.

Well said. Money Management is right up there with sex ed, IMHO.


How are the banks supposed to make any money if people learn that credit card debt is a very bad idea?  Not only that, you'll hurt the businesses who profit from all the merchandise people buy that they can't afford.
 
2014-01-21 08:34:46 PM
well it all depends if you think people are capable of predicting what their lives and the lives of others will be with unerring precision over a 60 year stretch... or not.

/not.
 
2014-01-21 08:35:02 PM
Does Colorado have "Common-Law" marriages, as in the State can fully recognized a couple as married, even if they have not sign a marriage contract and/or ceremony, simply because they lived together for 2-3 years?
 
2014-01-21 08:35:50 PM
Are these things run by "The Church" or by Professionals trained in Relationship Psychology whom are there with "real" answers" to "My Husband is an idiot, how do I make him listen?" or "My wife keeps nagging over nuffink, where can I go to not listen to her?"

Are these courses designed to actually help?

The greatest thing I have learned is to listen and to be patient. That is two things.
The greatest two things I have learned is to listen, to be patient and to find something lovable about my wife every day. That is three......

WE have been happily together, not married for 29 years.
 
2014-01-21 08:36:26 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: netizencain: Most states make you pay for them.

You do. Divorces are really expensive.

/Because they're worth it


Love is grand, divorce is a hundred grand.
 
2014-01-21 08:38:37 PM
Small government conservatism conservatism, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2014-01-21 08:41:59 PM
My wife's Catholic and before they'd let us get married by a priest in a church, we had to go to "Pre-Marriage Counselllng". If the idea sounds a little offensive and patronising, the reality was worse.

Room full of reluctant couples sitting around in beanbags being encouraged to communicate their feelings while awaiting the inevitable lecture about the evils of contraception (yes, there was one), followed by the counsellor telling about how the rhythm method had been extremely successful for her over the years (yes, she really did, and no, we didn't want to hear it).

Luckily it was only two two-hour sessions and we were free to go back to ignoring the dogma again :P

Moral of the story? It's a pointless idea. Let people figure it out for themselves. If you sit someone in a compulsory group like that, they just ain't gonna listen to ya. At least make sure there's good coffee.
 
2014-01-21 08:42:35 PM
Larry King would die before he'd finish his next round of classes

/huzzah LK joke
 
2014-01-21 08:42:43 PM
If you've ever been been to marriage counseling you know how farking stupid this is.

My wife and I went a few years ago when we where in a rough patch. I knew I was in trouble when the first words out of the counselors mouth was "I'm new to this" and she proceeded to attack me like a fatty attacking a bacon cheeseburger. Even my wife was like "WTF?". After the third visit we never went back.

Your and your textbooks opinions of what makes a successful relationship aren't necessarily correct. Without a intimate understanding of each persons phsyce, everything you say is just an opinion. And you know what they say about those.

/worked through it on our own
//And fark you. I'm not paying you for my cancelled appointment you hack.
 
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