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(Colorado Springs Gazette)   Manitou Springs, CO, is debating on whether to allow recreational marijuana sales. If you've never been there, try to imagine people in San Francisco debating whether they should allow gay bars   (gazette.com) divider line 9
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2014-01-21 06:53:24 PM  
2 votes:
Manitou Springs resident here, most of the people who live here are pretty confused by how the city council has been reacting to the retail marijuana sales. Amendment 64 passed with 68% of the local vote, the biggest majority of local voters of any city in Colorado, more then even 'liberal Boulder', the vast majority of locals would prefer to allow retail sales here in the city.

The very, very, very vocal minority that choose to speak at the city council meetings seem to be holding this up, with predictable and very easily debunkable 'reefer madness' talking points. Unfortunately these vocal minority voices seem to be very politically powerful people so even though they are very much in the minority, somehow their voices have more weight.

Every city council meeting regarding this since last year have had the vast majority of citizens allowed to speak on the subject being overwhelmingly in favor of retail shops here in town, the Gazette only seems to print the opinions of the 4-5 people who do not want retail shops, giving a very skewed view of the realities here in Manitou Springs.

As far as the fear that retail shops in town will lead to 'underage consumers' this is a joke, any Manitou Springs High School student that wants to get weed can find it and have been doing so for the last several decades. Retail pot in Colorado is on average 4-5 times the street price. A quarter ounce on the street is about 40 bucks, a quarter ounce in the retail stores is about 110 bucks plus 25% tax. Anyone who claims that retail shops will lead to more street sales has failed basic economics, is completely out of touch with the realities of marijuana in Colorado and thus are disqualified from even being able to speak on the subject with any authority since it is obvious they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

It has been over a decade since medical marijuana became legal in Colorado, weed is easier to obtain then alcohol for many people, retail stores selling weed have zero impact on the availability or the percentage of users we have in the state. Anyone that says otherwise is lying, the only thing I ask myself is, to what purpose.
2014-01-21 06:02:25 PM  
2 votes:
For those not in the know, Manitou Springs is the hippie Siamese twin of Colorado Springs (very Christian fundie and/or heartless libertarian).

When pot is oked in Manitou (not "if") then lots of people in CS will go there to buy it, thus negating CS's ban on recreational pot stores.

http://csbj.com/2014/01/16/manitou-set-to-own-pot-market/
Under state law, Manitou's two existing licensed dispensaries are grandfathered in for retail. According to Snyder, they'll have a nine-month window before other licenses can be granted. Manitou might realize a substantial tax windfall from the new businesses. The city already collects a 3.9 percent sales tax, and will receive another 5 percent directly from marijuana purveyors, in addition to a 1.5 percent rebate of state taxes.
The first retail shops may be open as soon as mid-April, Snyder said, depending upon the regulatory process.


CS, while right wing, will hate to see its citizens' monies going to Manitou, and valuing greed more than morality will probably follow suit in allowing recreational stores rather than lose out on money.
2014-01-21 05:33:32 PM  
2 votes:
I'm hopeful this is just growing pains for the "budding" legalization movement. But people are farking retarded. Remember how this vote was basically because prohibition was a massive failure? Some folks still think that if they ban the Weed Store, then those stupid stoners will have no choice but to go live and recreate somewhere else.

Same shiat is going on here with medical dispensaries.
2014-01-21 05:31:28 PM  
2 votes:
I live in Colorado Springs, and Subby's headline is dead on.
2014-01-21 06:21:03 PM  
1 votes:

HairBolus: When pot is oked in Manitou (not "if") then lots of people in CS will go there to buy it, thus negating CS's ban on recreational pot stores.


This is because of Mayor Bach. He has silently told insiders that he will NEVER allow Recreational Marijuana to be sold in Colorado Springs and has enlisted the mayors of the surrounding towns (Manitou, Security/Widefield and Fountain) to all make commitments to keep it out of the area. He has also made note that he will veto any such amendment that comes across his desk, regardless of what the City Council says.

In turn, the City Council has vetoed all his budget requests and requests for changes, and right now the two sides are fighting tooth and nail for control of the city. He uses the police force as his personal body guards (not so strange, really) and as his own personal muscle to harass those that openly disagree with him.

he doesn't take kindly to any kind of dissent, being it open, friendly, aggressive or making light of him and his agenda.

/currently writing this from a computer on the city network
//my entire team is being laid off next week to be outsourced.
2014-01-21 06:03:31 PM  
1 votes:

Dinki: Wow that editorial was chock full of stupid. So a couple of stores selling pot will " have the devastating effect of running some good businesses from town or causing others to avoid the community when looking for relocation options." but a dozen bars selling alcohol don't?

The idiocy of the article was redeemed by the nearly unanimous smack down be the commenters.


To be honest, its not so much the selling of the weed - it is the social acceptance of the weed that drives the people away. Good or Bad, weed is considered a vice, and opening stores is seen as a vice becoming more socially acceptable - and therefore the perception of the area is that it is a lower quality neighborhood - just as if more strip bars, or adult bookstores moved in.

You may think that is idiotic, but that is how it is perceived. Throw in the fact that this "new social acceptance of a vice" is cutting edge, and the community also gets the stigma as leading the way towards accepting vice" - and there will be those that will see that as a slipperly slope, and will want to get out before -more- traditional "vices" are accepted, like prostitution or chicken fights or something.

Again, Im not saying this is rational, irrational, stupid, inevitable, whatever - but it is what is happening.

Even alcohol has only a "semi" acceptance socially, after hundreds of years. Build more liquor stores in the neighborhood, and property prices go down, and the neighborhood is considered "worse", and people of lower socioeconomic classes move in.

I understand that the pro-marijuana crowd wants to change all this and have marijuana -not- considered a vice, and to be looked upon as harmless as pizza, but it just isnt perceived that way yet.
2014-01-21 05:24:01 PM  
1 votes:
opiumpoopy:

Hitler and Stalin both used chairs. As did Pol Pot.

Every Farker knows the evil that lies hiding in a chair.
2014-01-21 05:23:08 PM  
1 votes:
Still not legal on a federal level guys.
2014-01-21 04:21:56 PM  
1 votes:
Wow that editorial was chock full of stupid. So a couple of stores selling pot will " have the devastating effect of running some good businesses from town or causing others to avoid the community when looking for relocation options." but a dozen bars selling alcohol don't?

The idiocy of the article was redeemed by the nearly unanimous smack down be the commenters.
 
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