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(Colorado Springs Gazette)   Manitou Springs, CO, is debating on whether to allow recreational marijuana sales. If you've never been there, try to imagine people in San Francisco debating whether they should allow gay bars   (gazette.com) divider line 81
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2014-01-21 07:56:05 PM  
Kanabiis:

Every city council meeting regarding this since last year have had the vast majority of citizens allowed to speak on the subject being overwhelmingly in favor of retail shops here in town, the Gazette only seems to print the opinions of the 4-5 people who do not want retail shops, giving a very skewed view of the realities here in Manitou Springs.

Don't forget that the Gazette is owned by Phil Anschutz... It's not like he doesn't have an agenda or anything.
 
2014-01-21 07:57:38 PM  
opiumpoopy:

Hitler and Stalin both used chairs. As did Pol Pot.

Pol Pot, he he.
Wait, what?
 
2014-01-21 08:09:40 PM  

ShawnDoc: simkatu: It seems like a decent hypothesis, but wealthier people tend to drink more often and in larger amounts than poorer people. This has been demonstrated in study after study. The poorest tend to drink the least amount of alcohol with large percentages of them abstaining completely. Among the top 1% there are few abstainers.

In "nice" neighborhoods you get stores like Bevmo and Wine & More.  I doubt many have problems with them.  I think the problem is with corner liquor stores that sprout up in poor neighborhoods.  Out here in California they tend to be run down, stocked with cheap liquor and drug accessories (steel wool and small glass vials), surrounded by trash and ususally a few homeless people in the shadows.


This is my perception too.
 
2014-01-21 08:22:14 PM  
Another Manitou Springs resident -- I'm just worried that with only two stores for 40 miles in any direction we'll have miserable traffic hassles. Colorado Springs people need to get their local officials to obey the will of the people.
 
2014-01-21 08:22:37 PM  
I feel bad for the Pants-Wetters.  The very foundation of their life is crumbling at their feet and they have the feeling that they have lost control over their minions.

I have zero, and I mean no sympathy for them in their struggle to adjust to the new reality, after waiting for more than 40 years for legalization, they can just STFU - they taught me I could vote to change the law, and now they are pissed that WE DID IT, right under their wrinkled old noses.  I could not be more delighted.

Colorado Springs is to in thrall over the military to ever embrace weed, even though plenty of their guys could clearly use it, given the problems they have with PTSD.  But there's still a lot of stoners in the springs, mostly poor schumcks who have not figured out how to get the hell out, or they are republican stoners...wait, is that possible?

Manitou is a cool town.
 
2014-01-21 08:35:27 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: jst3p: Is it anything like Boulder? Because it was my understanding that you had to hacky-sack with them for 15 minutes before they would sell to you.

Boulder is much more hardcore. Manitou is more like San Fran hippies of the 60's and Boulder is more like Seattle Hipsters of today. If you get caught smoking tobacco in public in Boulder, you are looking at possible detainment (in jail) and a high dollar fine (this includes smoking in your own car or apartment/shared wall living space). Manitou just doesn't care that much.

Manitou has TONS of quirky shops selling anything from hand made Dulcimers to Wiccan Crystals... there is LITERALLY a potion shop in Old Colorado City where you can buy magic potions... they are serious they work, too! Old Colorado City is the buffer between Manitou Springs and Colorado Springs. Tons of organic shops (I get my tea made there as a special blend for $6/ounce), hemp clothing stores, art shops and plenty of faux Native American style shops to lure in the rube tourists.

Manitou is an interesting place, and rumors of hauntings, devil worship and all sorts of strange shiat comes out there. I've been hearing these things since I moved here in 1977, and have never witnessed any of them.


That Boulder outdoor smoking ban actually only applies to the Pearl Street mall and the farmers' market, including cars parked in that zone. Never heard anyone say it applies indoors. It would be surprising since the decided to interpret amendment 64's explicit legalization of smoking pot in private to extend to yards and patios.
 
2014-01-21 08:35:41 PM  
"EDITORIAL: Manitou leaders should avoid making village a center of marijuana"


peter.bourgon.org
 
2014-01-21 08:38:54 PM  

Unfreakable: Damn, a whole lot of locals. This makes me happy. We should do a low-key Fark party.


Sounds like fun. EIP
 
2014-01-21 08:49:50 PM  

bmwericus: there's still a lot of stoners in the springs, mostly poor schumcks who have not figured out how to get the hell out, or they are republican stoners...wait, is that possible?


They call themselves Libertarians but vote Republican.

Hell, I bet Wayne Laugesen, the chief editorial writer of the Colorado Springs Gazette (the probable author of this piece) and libertarian warrior smoked or smokes pot but was told to be anti-pot. He seems confused about libertarianism because he also strongly supports the Catholic Church. I guess his variant involves bowing down to the right authoritarians.
 
2014-01-21 08:54:32 PM  
Just for the record, the outdoor arcade in Manitou Springs is awesome.  Games dating back to the 1950's, maybe even earlier.
 
2014-01-21 09:00:35 PM  

Dinodork: Unfreakable: Damn, a whole lot of locals. This makes me happy. We should do a low-key Fark party.

Sounds like fun. EIP


Let's do it.
 
2014-01-21 09:05:47 PM  

Rowena: Dinodork: Unfreakable: Damn, a whole lot of locals. This makes me happy. We should do a low-key Fark party.

Sounds like fun. EIP

Let's do it.


We're gonna do this. Is downtown okay?
 
2014-01-21 09:07:21 PM  

Unfreakable: Rowena: Dinodork: Unfreakable: Damn, a whole lot of locals. This makes me happy. We should do a low-key Fark party.

Sounds like fun. EIP

Let's do it.

We're gonna do this. Is downtown okay?


I've never drank downtown. I'm out by the Cantina. Where do locals go to bar? The Keg?
 
2014-01-21 09:11:28 PM  

Twitch Boy: Just for the record, the outdoor arcade in Manitou Springs is awesome.  Games dating back to the 1950's, maybe even earlier.


Like, turn of the century old. Games for a Penny. They look their age, but are interesting none the less.

Unfreakable: I should really grab a beer with you sometime.


Rowena: Dinodork: Unfreakable: Damn, a whole lot of locals. This makes me happy. We should do a low-key Fark party.

Sounds like fun. EIP

Let's do it.


I personally don't drink alcohol (sober almost 10 freaking years), but I'm always up for hanging out with new people.
 
2014-01-21 09:12:06 PM  
I would like to say as someone from a state that is just now holding open hearings about legalizing Medical Marijuana, I envy that Colorado actually has to have this discussion. I know its cliche to say my mind was opened, but to be perfectly honest I lived for years believing everything they taught me in High School about marijuana. Its only been the last two years or so that I've actually learned about it enough to have an educated opinion on it. I'm just hoping our state gets the hint and jumps on the bandwagon while its rolling instead of impeding progress like it normally does. Honestly, I'm amazed how far legalization has come in the last few years. Its kind of cool realizing that in probably less than ten years the majority of the country will be selecting its marijuana in a store like we do alcohol instead of buying from the shady guy behind the walmart at three in the morning only to get a bag half full of stems and seeds.

/Not a huge smoker, but I enjoy an occasional toke
//maybe, MAYBE 3-5 times a month
///Threes
 
2014-01-21 09:34:01 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Twitch Boy: Just for the record, the outdoor arcade in Manitou Springs is awesome.  Games dating back to the 1950's, maybe even earlier.

Like, turn of the century old. Games for a Penny. They look their age, but are interesting none the less.

Unfreakable: I should really grab a beer with you sometime.

Rowena: Dinodork: Unfreakable: Damn, a whole lot of locals. This makes me happy. We should do a low-key Fark party.

Sounds like fun. EIP

Let's do it.

I personally don't drink alcohol (sober almost 10 freaking years), but I'm always up for hanging out with new people.


Okay, I'm gonna drop an email to you guys tomorrow. We'll figure out a place.
 
2014-01-21 09:42:56 PM  

cgraves67: Maud Dib: opiumpoopy:

Hitler and Stalin both used chairs. As did Pol Pot.

Every Farker knows the evil that lies hiding in a chair.

Especially slatted chairs. Let us never forget.


Balls.
 
2014-01-21 09:43:18 PM  

Dinodork: Unfreakable: Rowena: Dinodork: Unfreakable: Damn, a whole lot of locals. This makes me happy. We should do a low-key Fark party.

Sounds like fun. EIP

Let's do it.

We're gonna do this. Is downtown okay?

I've never drank downtown. I'm out by the Cantina. Where do locals go to bar? The Keg?


I'm by Savellis, happy to join in the festivities!
 
2014-01-21 09:46:23 PM  

John the Magnificent: Probably have to be stoned most of the time just to be able to stomach the food there.  Stayed two weeks and had 14 crappy meals.


You didn't eat at the Steak and Pancake house obviously. Their food is outstanding.
 
2014-01-21 09:52:04 PM  

Twitch Boy: Just for the record, the outdoor arcade in Manitou Springs is awesome.  Games dating back to the 1950's, maybe even earlier.


True dat.
 
2014-01-21 09:55:57 PM  

bmwericus: Colorado Springs is to in thrall over the military to ever embrace weed, even though plenty of their guys could clearly use it, given the problems they have with PTSD.  But there's still a lot of stoners in the springs, mostly poor schumcks who have not figured out how to get the hell out, or they are republican stoners...wait, is that possible?


I can understand why you think this but I suspect it has a lot more to do with the damn mega churches.  When I was stationed on Ft Cartoon, the rule of thumb was that if you wanted to do ANYTHING more interesting than strippers you got the heck out of the Springs.  The military it pretty radically anti-drug of any sort (except Motrin 800mg, aka Ranger Candy) but if you are a service member they own your ass so what happens in the neighborhood is mostly irrelevant unless it is screwing with the soldiers directly.  Likewise if you are a military civilian employee, it only matters if you have testing or not.

/Never liked strip clubs.  Not from a high ground point of view, but because 'Great, now I'm hard up AND broke!'
//"Hey, fst_creeper you doing your typical semi crazy but legal shiat you enjoy this weekend?  Make sure you are out of Douglas County!"
 
2014-01-21 10:17:59 PM  
1) Recreational MJ has been here for decades.
2) Hang out at the bandstand for more than 20 min and you'll see MUCH worse than MJ.
3) There's no available retail on Manitou or Ruxton, so the tourists won't have to worry about weed heads stumbling out of stores all potted up on grass and harassing their kids.
4) If you won't come here due to recreational weed, piss off. I guarantee we won't notice your absence.
/DNRTFA
 
2014-01-21 10:19:25 PM  

dmaestaz: I drove up to another similar town called Breckenridge last saturday to buy some stuff at a legal shop. On my way to that store, I observed no one smoking joints/bongs/pipes out in the open just because the whole town went to pot. In fact I met a few guys ahead of me in line, who specifically decided to vacation in Breckenridge pretty much for that and the skiing...oh and they were from Texas.

Not only that, on my $136 purchase, $21 was just in taxes.


Man, Breck is fun, but it ain't Manitou.
 
2014-01-21 10:23:22 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: HairBolus: When pot is oked in Manitou (not "if") then lots of people in CS will go there to buy it, thus negating CS's ban on recreational pot stores.

This is because of Mayor Bach. He has silently told insiders that he will NEVER allow Recreational Marijuana to be sold in Colorado Springs and has enlisted the mayors of the surrounding towns (Manitou, Security/Widefield and Fountain) to all make commitments to keep it out of the area. He has also made note that he will veto any such amendment that comes across his desk, regardless of what the City Council says.

In turn, the City Council has vetoed all his budget requests and requests for changes, and right now the two sides are fighting tooth and nail for control of the city. He uses the police force as his personal body guards (not so strange, really) and as his own personal muscle to harass those that openly disagree with him.

he doesn't take kindly to any kind of dissent, being it open, friendly, aggressive or making light of him and his agenda.

/currently writing this from a computer on the city network
//my entire team is being laid off next week to be outsourced.


Go strong mayor initiative huh?
 
2014-01-21 10:23:28 PM  

bobfloyd: I'm by Savellis, happy to join in the festivities!


Youre in.
 
2014-01-21 10:35:35 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: If you get caught smoking tobacco in public in Boulder, you are looking at possible detainment (in jail) and a high dollar fine (this includes smoking in your own car or apartment/shared wall living space). Manitou just doesn't care that much.


No idea if you'll go to jail for smoking tobacco in Boulder, but you definitely won't go to jail for smoking pot. In my experience, cops here don't care at all. You might get a "move along and go somewhere else, citizen", but most of the parks that surround downtown are fair game.
 
2014-01-21 11:12:48 PM  
the person that will make the most of this. its the guy who sets up a pot shop next to casa bonita. it might make the food edible.

also a limo pot trip around garden of the gods would ROCk
 
2014-01-22 08:27:53 AM  

lostindenver: the person that will make the most of this. its the guy who sets up a pot shop next to casa bonita. it might make the food edible.

also a limo pot trip around garden of the gods would ROCk


No, it won't help the food.
It might kill people instead, if they plow through plates because they're too damn hungry to care. After a half hour when your body starts to reject that crap, any more than 3 and you risk splitting your gut open.
 
2014-01-22 08:41:52 AM  
This is a cool place in Manitou. Used to have a shirt from there.

s3-media3.ak.yelpcdn.com
 
2014-01-22 09:09:25 AM  
Passed 6 to 1

Winning!
 
2014-01-22 09:12:20 AM  

Unfreakable: bobfloyd: I'm by Savellis, happy to join in the festivities!

Youre in.


Savelli's has some of the best damn Pizza I've ever had!! Joey's on the north side of the Springs is just that much better, if you can believe that.

VTGremlin: No idea if you'll go to jail for smoking tobacco in Boulder, but you definitely won't go to jail for smoking pot. In my experience, cops here don't care at all. You might get a "move along and go somewhere else, citizen", but most of the parks that surround downtown are fair game.


I've not been to Boulder in about a decade. I have some friends that live really close, but I just avoid Boulder these days. I have no interest in hanging out there anymore. I'm up in Manitou weekly, though, and thoroughly enjoy the west side and Manitou.
 
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