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(BBC)   Australia passes laws on one punches; critics argue there should be a provision for two for flinching   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 43
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2014-01-21 02:37:48 PM  
I thought that said "nun punchers" for a minute there, and wondered if that was some kind of Bloom County reference...or was that "nun munchers"?
 
2014-01-21 02:55:55 PM  
So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?
 
2014-01-21 03:07:55 PM  
www.sofritoforyoursoul.com

Disapproves
 
2014-01-21 03:20:34 PM  
I thought they had laws against murder and manslaughter already?  :P

Like those stupid cell phone laws; if someone's driving distracted, that's already illegal!
 
2014-01-21 03:21:54 PM  
Ohhh, New South Wales' Premier...here, I was trying to figure out how to sign up for NSFW Premier.

/never mind.
 
2014-01-21 03:21:54 PM  
31.media.tumblr.com

Agrees.
 
2014-01-21 03:22:16 PM  
Who knew the knockout game is a myth elsewhere as well?
 
2014-01-21 03:27:00 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


Sucker punch to the temple, head hitting the cement.
 
2014-01-21 03:27:39 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


Anywhere above the neck.
 
2014-01-21 03:29:19 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


Break a rib, puncture a lung.
 
2014-01-21 03:30:11 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


I've heard a strong blow to the sternum can kill under the right (wrong?) conditions.
 
2014-01-21 03:31:28 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


Punch a guy in the nuts and you kill whole scores of potential future generations.
 
2014-01-21 03:32:31 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


I'm not sure you'd survive if you tried a donkey punch.
 
2014-01-21 03:36:18 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


I don't like to talk about it.

/Semper Fi, Marine Core
 
2014-01-21 03:36:25 PM  
When the guy facing a concrete wall, you get a 30foot running start and punch him in the back of the head, causing him to slam his head in to the wall and coma, death.

/Wait, thats only legal for the Seattle police to do that.
//Not really, but f*ck the laws.
 
2014-01-21 03:36:43 PM  

cgraves67: simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?

I've heard a strong blow to the sternum can kill under the right (wrong?) conditions.


Xyphoid Effect. (forgive my spelling if wrong)
 
2014-01-21 03:37:48 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


There have been a lot of cases down here lately of drunken thugs attacking random strangers with a single punch to the head. The victim often dies from a brain hemmorage resulting from the impact of the punch or from their head hitting the ground when they fall.
 
2014-01-21 03:37:54 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


Well, if you have a toothpick, ask Jason Statham.
 
2014-01-21 03:39:30 PM  

cgraves67: simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?

I've heard a strong blow to the sternum can kill under the right (wrong?) conditions.


I've knocked brickwork loose and stumbled through interior walls. I doubt I have enough speed to fracture a skull in a standing person, but if it's against a wall or floor as anvil I'd probably be facing murder charges.
 
2014-01-21 03:41:12 PM  
Coward punchers.
www.vote29.com
 
2014-01-21 03:41:33 PM  

stevarooni: I thought they had laws against murder and manslaughter already?  :P

Like those stupid cell phone laws; if someone's driving distracted, that's already illegal!


Voluntary Manslaughter in NSW carries a 25 year maximum sentence but has no minimum as far as I can tell. This law sets a minimum at 8 years under these circumstances.
 
2014-01-21 03:45:31 PM  

kg2095: There have been a lot of cases down here lately of drunken thugs attacking random strangers with a single punch to the head. The victim often dies from a brain hemmorage resulting from the impact of the punch or from their head hitting the ground when they fall.


How many is "a lot" or "often"? The story mentions one death in 2013 and one in 2012, and while those individual deaths are tragic, that doesn't seem like a good basis for sweeping changes to licensing laws or opening hours. So are there actually a lot more cases, or is this an instance of a showboating politician exploiting public fear?

Hard cases make bad law, as they used to say.
 
2014-01-21 03:47:10 PM  
A whole two documented cases, according to the article. Yeah, a real epidemic, this is.
 
2014-01-21 03:55:10 PM  

vwarb: A whole two documented cases, according to the article. Yeah, a real epidemic, this is.


Higher rates than what got ephedra banned.
 
2014-01-21 03:56:41 PM  
Sydney bars will suck even more from now on, I was surprised when I was there that they will not serve hard alcohol after midnight and all your beer after that point was given to you in plastic cups.


For a place with a long drinking culture Bruce should just behave himself
 
2014-01-21 04:01:03 PM  

Saners: Voluntary Manslaughter in NSW carries a 25 year maximum sentence but has no minimum as far as I can tell. This law sets a minimum at 8 years under these circumstances.


Mandatory minimums are generally a bad idea, in my opinion.  Enforce the laws that are on the books.
 
2014-01-21 04:04:10 PM  

mbillips: simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?

I don't like to talk about it.

/Semper Fi, Marine Core

 
2014-01-21 04:05:38 PM  

KenShabby: mbillips: simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?

I don't like to talk about it.

/Semper Fi, Marine Core


Aw, image got thrown out.  Semper Fib, soldier!
 
2014-01-21 04:16:05 PM  
But what about punching horses?
 
2014-01-21 04:16:43 PM  

Oldiron_79: But what about punching horses?


Only if you're misunderstood.
 
2014-01-21 04:17:40 PM  

stevarooni: Oldiron_79: But what about punching horses?

Only if you're misunderstood.


Or a pawn in the game of life.
 
2014-01-21 04:20:53 PM  
Thanks, Glenford!  :D  My recall was way off.
 
2014-01-21 04:33:27 PM  
It's interesting that it gives a higher penalty for people who do it when intoxicated.

If a sober person does it then the penalty stays the same.....i guess the reasoning is that when a sober person sucker punches someone it's being done in a much more safe manner.
 
2014-01-21 04:43:03 PM  
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2014-01-21 05:15:37 PM  

stevarooni: Saners: Voluntary Manslaughter in NSW carries a 25 year maximum sentence but has no minimum as far as I can tell. This law sets a minimum at 8 years under these circumstances.

Mandatory minimums are generally a bad idea, in  the opinion of every sane individual who has ever looked into the issue.

 
2014-01-21 06:02:36 PM  

czetie: kg2095: There have been a lot of cases down here lately of drunken thugs attacking random strangers with a single punch to the head. The victim often dies from a brain hemmorage resulting from the impact of the punch or from their head hitting the ground when they fall.

How many is "a lot" or "often"? The story mentions one death in 2013 and one in 2012, and while those individual deaths are tragic, that doesn't seem like a good basis for sweeping changes to licensing laws or opening hours. So are there actually a lot more cases, or is this an instance of a showboating politician exploiting public fear?

Hard cases make bad law, as they used to say.


Not all of them result in death, some just result in serious brain injury. And you're right of course - a lot of the hysteria is media driven as violent crime is at record lows here as it is in most other western nations. Having said that, there is no way I would wander around Kings Cross at night. That's just asking for trouble.
 
2014-01-21 06:18:23 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


unexpected uppercut to the nose is the easiest.

of course a completely unprepared punch to the stomach can have the same effect.
 
2014-01-21 06:35:50 PM  
I read that headline first as "One Pouch" - oh well, either way this is relevant.

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2014-01-21 06:46:08 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: It's interesting that it gives a higher penalty for people who do it when intoxicated.

If a sober person does it then the penalty stays the same.....i guess the reasoning is that when a sober person sucker punches someone it's being done in a much more safe manner.


I'd assume the assumption is if you manage to provoke a sober person into hitting you are partially to blame.
 
2014-01-21 07:04:16 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


Bad fall. Hard surface. Soft head. You don't need to be Bruce Farkin Lee to kill a person.
 
2014-01-21 09:39:00 PM  

simplicimus: So how many ways are there to kill a person with a single punch? Kidney, Trachea, what else?


The first priority of the gov't  is to keep those millions of alcohol taxes rolling in and turning a blind eye to the damage it causes, even if the damage far outweighs the tax take.

There is a tobacco-related death about every 28 minutes in Australia, adding up to more than 50 deaths each day. In 1998, 19,019 deaths were caused by tobacco use.
After tobacco, alcohol is the second biggest contributor to drug-related problems in Australia. As well as affecting the individual, risky drinking behaviour has a significant impact on our community. The latest estimates of alcohol-related harm show that it causes around 3,200 deaths and 81,000 hospitalisations every year.1 The annual cost to the Australian community of alcohol-related social problems was estimated at $15.3 billion in 2004-05.


That's a lot of moolah for a country whose entire economy matches New York State alone.
 
2014-01-21 10:20:43 PM  

vwarb: A whole two documented cases, according to the article. Yeah, a real epidemic, this is.


two cases in Australia as reported by the British Broadcasting Corporation.

this issue has been in the public conciousness for a couple of years now... these are just the latest two cases
 
2014-01-22 07:50:43 AM  

American Decency Association: vwarb: A whole two documented cases, according to the article. Yeah, a real epidemic, this is.

two cases in Australia as reported by the British Broadcasting Corporation.

this issue has been in the public conciousness for a couple of years now... these are just the latest two cases


First: The article notes one death in 2013 and one in 2012. So if these are the latest two cases, as you claim, it's a very small problem. Or do you have better statistics?

Second: The BBC is widely respected for its global reporting. Or do you have a more authoritative source?

Just because the issue has been "in the public consciousness" doesn't mean it's really an issue. And unless you can produce a more authoritative source reporting larger numbers, well, you're just another victim of political hype.
 
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