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2014-01-21 01:07:55 PM  
god dammit people. Stop this shiat.
 
2014-01-21 01:08:12 PM  
$5 says it was a guy in a hat, with a beard; with the weapon being an umbrella.
 
2014-01-21 01:08:17 PM  
Find the guy and boil 'er up
 
2014-01-21 01:08:26 PM  
Sigh - this is only going to get worse.
 
2014-01-21 01:09:00 PM  
This is a news flash? There's almost no info

Fark is CNN.
 
2014-01-21 01:09:12 PM  
Did they get the gun from tannehill's wife?
 
2014-01-21 01:09:30 PM  
Do we know the shooter's political affiliation yet?  This is the most important part of any shooting story, and I will be awaiting this news with bated breath.
 
2014-01-21 01:09:32 PM  
And another one. Someone queue up the comic with the snarky penguin.
 
2014-01-21 01:09:37 PM  
I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?
 
2014-01-21 01:09:39 PM  

vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.


Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?
 
2014-01-21 01:09:43 PM  
So the other person ran away? What a chicken!
 
2014-01-21 01:09:53 PM  

forteblast: Find the guy and boil 'er up


Fry him. Tastes better
 
2014-01-21 01:10:52 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Do we know the shooter's political affiliation yet?  This is the most important part of any shooting story, and I will be awaiting this news with bated breath.


It's pretty obvious; it's those damn murlocs again.
 
2014-01-21 01:11:03 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?


why are you asking us, he's your buddy
 
2014-01-21 01:11:22 PM  

Frank N Stein: This is a news flash? There's almost no info

Fark is CNN.


So there wasn't a shooting?
 
2014-01-21 01:11:57 PM  

iheartscotch: $5 says it was a guy in a hat, with a beard; with the weapon being an umbrella.


I am betting it was Professor Plum in the Library with the Revolver
 
2014-01-21 01:12:05 PM  
This just shows we need more guns.
 
2014-01-21 01:12:34 PM  
Who would commit such a fowl act?
 
2014-01-21 01:12:39 PM  
jconline.com is local paper -- they will be pretty up to date.
 
2014-01-21 01:13:03 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?


Electrical engineering building
 
2014-01-21 01:13:04 PM  
It takes a tough man to make a tender chicken.
 
2014-01-21 01:13:04 PM  
This never happened back in the day when kids could buy machine guns via the postal service.
 
2014-01-21 01:13:17 PM  
Please, won't someone think of the chickens?
 
2014-01-21 01:13:40 PM  

persephonemagazine.com

The Politics tab will go down in flames.
 
2014-01-21 01:14:03 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?


He's been arrested.
 
2014-01-21 01:14:55 PM  
Plucked from the headlines....
 
2014-01-21 01:15:13 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: Frank N Stein: This is a news flash? There's almost no info

Fark is CNN.

So there wasn't a shooting?


There is no spoon.
 
2014-01-21 01:15:26 PM  
Maybe schools are the real danger.

I mean, I can't actually think of any point in my life where I wanted to murder people more than being forced to be in close proximity with some of the freakshows you run into in schools, well, that and traffic.
 
2014-01-21 01:15:26 PM  
Damn it, now we have to stop talking about gun control!
 
2014-01-21 01:15:28 PM  
Better story here from the local paper.
 
2014-01-21 01:15:40 PM  
Yay guns!
 
2014-01-21 01:15:50 PM  
At the engineering school? Sounds like someone didn't pas the weedout classes.
 
2014-01-21 01:16:18 PM  
Yawn. Wake me when the newsflash tag means something.
 
2014-01-21 01:16:20 PM  
You know, if we didn't have schools we wouldn't have school shootings.
 
2014-01-21 01:16:21 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: Frank N Stein: This is a news flash? There's almost no info

Fark is CNN.

So there wasn't a shooting?


I just think any story should have enough info as to where we can sent a kid on the street yelling "extre extre read all about it!".  I hate fark news flashes that are one step above "something happened. More on the story as it developes"
 
2014-01-21 01:17:38 PM  
I feel like shooting tonight.
 
2014-01-21 01:18:06 PM  
One starts to wonder, does this constant headlining of any crime with a gun (except for those poor folks in the inner city - the news doesn't care about them) start turning into a self-generating cycle?  Meaning, does constantly making anything gun-related a headline give the unbalanced ideas on how to get attention?
 
2014-01-21 01:18:35 PM  

LlamaGirl: god dammit people. Stop this shiat.


Hey, if they're going to shoot up colleges, at least take out the Matthew Barnetts and Trent Mays' of the world.
 
2014-01-21 01:18:45 PM  
www.inc.com
 
2014-01-21 01:19:13 PM  

Uisce Beatha: One starts to wonder, does this constant headlining of any crime with a gun (except for those poor folks in the inner city - the news doesn't care about them) start turning into a self-generating cycle?  Meaning, does constantly making anything gun-related a headline give the unbalanced ideas on how to get attention?


Yes. Is that really a question? Despite this has crime continued to decline? Yes.
 
2014-01-21 01:19:37 PM  
Zachary Osman Siddique is one of the names given over the scanner, something about room 2108.
 
2014-01-21 01:20:13 PM  

GungFu: Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?

He's been arrested.


How do you know his buddy?
 
2014-01-21 01:20:14 PM  
Student here. I not around the buildings in question but I'm staying put anyway. I heard maybe one TA dead, up to 6 injured. Those could be rumors though.
 
2014-01-21 01:20:28 PM  

Grumpy Cat: I feel like shooting tonight. -shooting tonight!


Oh....that got a groan-laugh combo. added the last bit. Are we not jaded now...
 
2014-01-21 01:20:34 PM  

Heathen: Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?

why are you asking us, he's your buddy


I texted him and he hasn't answered yet
 
2014-01-21 01:20:46 PM  

Sliding Carp: jconline.com is local paper -- they will be pretty up to date.


Lafayette is useless for news.  Go to Indianapolis sources:
http://www.indystar.com/
http://fox59.com/
http://www.wthr.com/
http://www.theindychannel.com/
http://www.wishtv.com/
 
2014-01-21 01:21:17 PM  

Grumpy Cat: I feel like shooting tonight.


I know this is starting to look like fun!
 
2014-01-21 01:21:21 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Heathen: Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?

why are you asking us, he's your buddy

I texted him and he hasn't answered yet


ah....he's not on campus today.
 
2014-01-21 01:21:22 PM  
Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?

a) We're Americans, therefore exceptional, don't want to hear about Europe
b) It rarely happens in Europe.
c) a + b

Cry, citizenry, this incident will put Obama 2-steps closer on the board game of "Gun Grabber" to your front door.

//that would be a cool board game
 
2014-01-21 01:21:53 PM  
Yes! Another 72 hours of non-stop coverage turning the criminal into an international anti-hero!

As an aside, I wonder why these things keep happening. Maybe CNN will tell me.
 
2014-01-21 01:22:01 PM  

nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?


Frequency.

It just hertz so many people.
 
2014-01-21 01:22:26 PM  
Well that's one way to stuff a bunch of turkeys...
 
2014-01-21 01:22:28 PM  
Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".
 
2014-01-21 01:22:29 PM  
There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.
 
2014-01-21 01:23:02 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: Uisce Beatha: One starts to wonder, does this constant headlining of any crime with a gun (except for those poor folks in the inner city - the news doesn't care about them) start turning into a self-generating cycle?  Meaning, does constantly making anything gun-related a headline give the unbalanced ideas on how to get attention?

Yes. Is that really a question? Despite this has crime continued to decline? Yes.


Oh, I know crime, including violent crime, continues to go down - it is pretty well documented, if under-reported.

I just wonder if glorifying certain types of crime through headlines, especially when the crime that occured is not that earth-shattering, is an overall detriment.  Of course, that is a pretty hard-to-quantify effect, I would think
 
2014-01-21 01:23:30 PM  
Consider that Purdue has more than 30,000 undergraduates, and many thousands more graduate students, postdocs, faculty, and staff, about 43,000 people total. An institution this large is essentially a small city unto itself.

Crime is going to happen everywhere. What is particularly significant about it happening on a college campus?
 
2014-01-21 01:23:39 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: At the engineering school? Sounds like someone didn't pas the weedout classes.


As an alumnus, I'm guessing an engineering student snapped ala VT.
 
2014-01-21 01:23:53 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Yes! Another 72 hours of non-stop coverage turning the criminal into an international anti-hero!

As an aside, I wonder why these things keep happening. Maybe CNN will tell me.


A purdue chicken plant was doused in tequila shots by an IT student. More news to come.
 
2014-01-21 01:24:22 PM  

Uisce Beatha: One starts to wonder, does this constant headlining of any crime with a gun (except for those poor folks in the inner city - the news doesn't care about them) start turning into a self-generating cycle?  Meaning, does constantly making anything gun-related a headline give the unbalanced ideas on how to get attention?


Probably, and probably not just the shooters.  I suspect the cops watch the hoopla (which expands every time) during and after every event, and don't want to be seen as doing less than somebody else, so we end up with bigger and bigger disruptions and more and more control of our movement ceded to 'the authorities' even when it seems very likely the event is over.

i.e.  "shooter in custody", coupled with "remain in place until further notice" and a labor- and time-intensive sweep of a large campus, worried about almost certainly non-existent accomplices.
 
2014-01-21 01:24:34 PM  

great_tigers: You know, if we didn't have schools we wouldn't have school shootings.


If we outlaw schools, then only outlaws will have schools?

Oh, man, how cool would that be.
 
2014-01-21 01:24:56 PM  
I'm waiting for the day when there's a school shooting that is resolved not by police, but by another crazed gunman that was also planning a mass shooting that day.
 
2014-01-21 01:25:01 PM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: Sliding Carp: jconline.com is local paper -- they will be pretty up to date.

Lafayette is useless for news.  Go to Indianapolis sources:
http://www.indystar.com/
http://fox59.com/
http://www.wthr.com/
http://www.theindychannel.com/
http://www.wishtv.com/


JC and Indystar are both Gannet papers and feed from the same sources.
 
2014-01-21 01:25:03 PM  

Fubini: Consider that Purdue has more than 30,000 undergraduates, and many thousands more graduate students, postdocs, faculty, and staff, about 43,000 people total. An institution this large is essentially a small city unto itself.

Crime is going to happen everywhere. What is particularly significant about it happening on a college campus?


Hey, pointing that out makes you an apologist for gun crime round these threads.
 
2014-01-21 01:25:18 PM  
vygramul:
Frequency.

It just hertz so many people.


Well in that case you're probably right.  Especially as April approaches.  Just something about that month.
 
2014-01-21 01:25:48 PM  

GardenWeasel: Best Princess Celestia: At the engineering school? Sounds like someone didn't pas the weedout classes.

As an alumnus, I'm guessing an engineering student snapped ala VT.


Probably true, since it happened in the electrical engineering building. It's a tough major.
 
2014-01-21 01:26:05 PM  

Fubini: Consider that Purdue has more than 30,000 undergraduates, and many thousands more graduate students, postdocs, faculty, and staff, about 43,000 people total. An institution this large is essentially a small city unto itself.

Crime is going to happen everywhere. What is particularly significant about it happening on a college campus?


because reasons, that's why you heartless gun lover.
 
2014-01-21 01:26:25 PM  

lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.


Or more laws against shooting people.

Since those are obviously the only 2 things we can do, one of them should work, right?
 
2014-01-21 01:27:10 PM  
Engeneering students truly are scum of the earth

/liberal arts master race reporting
 
2014-01-21 01:27:15 PM  

Grumpy Cat: I feel like shooting tonight.


Urban Terror 4.2 it's free to play.
 
2014-01-21 01:27:28 PM  
Someone shot a gun at someone, yawn.

Oh no, in an area with primarily non-poor white people?  TRAGEDY!  HORROR!
 
2014-01-21 01:27:33 PM  
Not to seem too oblivious, but what is the deal with chickens here? Did I miss 'let's characterize everything in terms of chickens' day?
 
2014-01-21 01:27:33 PM  

Etchy333: I'm waiting for the day when there's a school shooting that is resolved not by police, but by another crazed gunman that was also planning a mass shooting that day.


Would the cycle be complete then?

Or possibly cause a rip in space and time.
 
2014-01-21 01:27:35 PM  
Why is it that shootings in no gun zones get the most coverage?
 
2014-01-21 01:27:42 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: At the engineering school? Sounds like someone didn't pas the weedout classes.


Field Theory I & II are a real biatch.
 
2014-01-21 01:28:03 PM  

Sliding Carp: Uisce Beatha: One starts to wonder, does this constant headlining of any crime with a gun (except for those poor folks in the inner city - the news doesn't care about them) start turning into a self-generating cycle?  Meaning, does constantly making anything gun-related a headline give the unbalanced ideas on how to get attention?

Probably, and probably not just the shooters.  I suspect the cops watch the hoopla (which expands every time) during and after every event, and don't want to be seen as doing less than somebody else, so we end up with bigger and bigger disruptions and more and more control of our movement ceded to 'the authorities' even when it seems very likely the event is over.

i.e.  "shooter in custody", coupled with "remain in place until further notice" and a labor- and time-intensive sweep of a large campus, worried about almost certainly non-existent accomplices.


Fair point, and one I wasn't really thinking about - the inflation of such events could cause negative reactions from non-psychos when in a similar situation in the future, due to the perception of 'disaster' such coverage causes.  Again, though, hard to quantify.
 
2014-01-21 01:28:04 PM  
Have the farklibs blamed this on the tea party yet?
 
2014-01-21 01:28:06 PM  

GanjSmokr: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Or more laws against shooting people.

Since those are obviously the only 2 things we can do, one of them should work, right?


We already have laws against shooting people.  That's why we need more guns.  The only way to reduce gun crime is more guns.
 
2014-01-21 01:29:03 PM  

coeyagi: Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?

a) We're Americans, therefore exceptional, don't want to hear about Europe
b) It rarely happens in Europe.
c) a + b

Cry, citizenry, this incident will put Obama 2-steps closer on the board game of "Gun Grabber" to your front door.

//that would be a cool board game


Europe tried the oranized approach, and got a lot of theirs out of the way in the 1940's.  They must be getting close to even tough, because that guy in Sweden got 77 people.  Oh, and the Olympics in 72, and the train bombings in Spain, bus bombs in England, lots of bombs in Irelnd......
 
2014-01-21 01:29:13 PM  

Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.


Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.
 
2014-01-21 01:29:13 PM  
Since it was an engineering student I feel confident in quoting "It's always the quiet ones"
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

\You're not sleeping with it, are you Ray?
 
2014-01-21 01:29:22 PM  
"A post on the school's TWITTER ACCOUNT says," CNN?  You can't pick up the phone to confirm it before alerting everyone?

i280.photobucket.com

CNN = garbage.
 
2014-01-21 01:29:23 PM  

GanjSmokr: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Or more laws against shooting people.

Since those are obviously the only 2 things we can do, one of them should work, right?


I think it's time to start thinking outside of the box.  Is there a way that tax cuts and deregulation could solve this?
 
2014-01-21 01:29:30 PM  

lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.


Tell us your thoughts on the needless deaths from pools. Think of the children.
 
2014-01-21 01:29:43 PM  
So about one school shooting a week seems to be becoming the norm.
 
2014-01-21 01:29:49 PM  

Somacandra: Not to seem too oblivious, but what is the deal with chickens here? Did I miss 'let's characterize everything in terms of chickens' day?


The article is about Purdue.

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-01-21 01:29:51 PM  

coeyagi: Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?

a) We're Americans, therefore exceptional, don't want to hear about Europe
b) It rarely happens in Europe.
c) a + b

Cry, citizenry, this incident will put Obama 2-steps closer on the board game of "Gun Grabber" to your front door.

//that would be a cool board game


Why don't we hear about non-gun violence on college campuses, either in Europe or America?

Campuses are not automatically safe places. Most colleges report numbers on things like Rape, Robbery, Assault & Battery, Burglary, etc.
 
2014-01-21 01:30:23 PM  

MyRandomName: Have the farklibs blamed this on the tea party yet?


Don't be silly. Teabaggers couldn't get into Purdue.
 
2014-01-21 01:30:27 PM  
Did Ryan Newman finally snap?
 
2014-01-21 01:31:07 PM  

navyjeff: GardenWeasel: Best Princess Celestia: At the engineering school? Sounds like someone didn't pas the weedout classes.

As an alumnus, I'm guessing an engineering student snapped ala VT.

Probably true, since it happened in the electrical engineering building. It's a tough major.


As an engineer, if I had a dollar for every time I wanted to put a few rounds into a machine that wouldn't behave...
 
2014-01-21 01:31:56 PM  

Fubini: coeyagi: Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?

a) We're Americans, therefore exceptional, don't want to hear about Europe
b) It rarely happens in Europe.
c) a + b

Cry, citizenry, this incident will put Obama 2-steps closer on the board game of "Gun Grabber" to your front door.

//that would be a cool board game

Why don't we hear about non-gun violence on college campuses, either in Europe or America?

Campuses are not automatically safe places. Most colleges report numbers on things like Rape, Robbery, Assault & Battery, Burglary, etc.


I know at my school (Depaul University) they send out emails when an "incident" happens on or near campus. Every week it seems people are assaulted, mugged etc
 
2014-01-21 01:32:23 PM  
I have two sons on campus... one was in the EE bldg... he says someone pulled the fire alarm or something in the EE bldg... he and everyone else ran out...  Police arrived and locked down the bldg... school issued a 'shelter in place'... there are rumors of multiple shooters and multiple people shot.

Other son is in the building next door... computing center... he just knows there are cops outside.... and that his class in EE won't be meeting today.
 
2014-01-21 01:32:40 PM  
Just got a text from my brother. My nephew is in the adjacent building & under lockdown. (as of <5 minutes ago.)
 
2014-01-21 01:32:48 PM  
CNN will talk to the spokeswoman after this break.

You can tell it's serious.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:23 PM  

Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.


Huh.  Guess I was a junior.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:25 PM  

forteblast: Find the guy and boil 'er up


Purdue is the "Boilermakers," right? I get that.  But everyone just sorta knows a brand of store chicken is called "Perdue?" Obviously I'm not getting the core concept here.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:28 PM  

MyRandomName: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Tell us your thoughts on the needless deaths from pools. Think of the children.


You need more defection so you can retain your gun fetish.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:42 PM  

Fubini: coeyagi: Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?

a) We're Americans, therefore exceptional, don't want to hear about Europe
b) It rarely happens in Europe.
c) a + b

Cry, citizenry, this incident will put Obama 2-steps closer on the board game of "Gun Grabber" to your front door.

//that would be a cool board game

Why don't we hear about non-gun violence on college campuses, either in Europe or America?

Campuses are not automatically safe places. Most colleges report numbers on things like Rape, Robbery, Assault & Battery, Burglary, etc.


And lots of time, those numbers are much lower than actual.  Wouldn't want The college you're dean of to loom like an alcohol-fueled rapefest, would you?
 
2014-01-21 01:33:46 PM  
Some people get a little shooty after drinking too many boilermakers.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:50 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: coeyagi: Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?

a) We're Americans, therefore exceptional, don't want to hear about Europe
b) It rarely happens in Europe.
c) a + b

Cry, citizenry, this incident will put Obama 2-steps closer on the board game of "Gun Grabber" to your front door.

//that would be a cool board game

Europe tried the oranized approach, and got a lot of theirs out of the way in the 1940's.  They must be getting close to even tough, because that guy in Sweden got 77 people.  Oh, and the Olympics in 72, and the train bombings in Spain, bus bombs in England, lots of bombs in Irelnd......


You serious?  Let me um, you know, laugh even harder.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:58 PM  

coeyagi: Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?


Why didn't we hear about this stuff anywhere 50 years ago?
 
2014-01-21 01:34:05 PM  

lennavan: GanjSmokr: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Or more laws against shooting people.

Since those are obviously the only 2 things we can do, one of them should work, right?

We already have laws against shooting people.  That's why we need more guns.  The only way to reduce gun crime is more guns.


Well, we obviously don't have enough laws against shooting people or this wouldn't have happened.


nekom: GanjSmokr: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Or more laws against shooting people.

Since those are obviously the only 2 things we can do, one of them should work, right?

I think it's time to start thinking outside of the box.  Is there a way that tax cuts and deregulation could solve this?


Now we're talking - I like thinking outside of the box...  Maybe the TSA could get involved in some way?
 
2014-01-21 01:34:16 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: MyRandomName: Have the farklibs blamed this on the tea party yet?

Don't be silly. Teabaggers couldn't get into Purdue.


Oh, how I wish that weren't true.

https://www.facebook.com/PurdueYAL/info

Students in STEM majors trend conservative.
 
2014-01-21 01:34:22 PM  

Somacandra: Not to seem too oblivious, but what is the deal with chickens here? Did I miss 'let's characterize everything in terms of chickens' day?


Yeah; there's a $10,000 prize for the best Rhode Island Red Buff Orpington.

So, everyone has been describing everything in chickens.

/ for example; I drove 70,000 chickens to work today.
 
2014-01-21 01:34:31 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.


You guys did find a new source for coke, right?
 
2014-01-21 01:35:07 PM  

Etchy333: I'm waiting for the day when there's a school shooting that is resolved not by police, but by another crazed gunman that was also planning a mass shooting that day.


*cue animated animals* The circle ....
 
2014-01-21 01:35:08 PM  

moike: navyjeff: GardenWeasel: Best Princess Celestia: At the engineering school? Sounds like someone didn't pas the weedout classes.

As an alumnus, I'm guessing an engineering student snapped ala VT.

Probably true, since it happened in the electrical engineering building. It's a tough major.

As an engineer, if I had a dollar for every time I wanted to put a few rounds into a machine that wouldn't behave...


You knew what you were getting into, you married her...
 
2014-01-21 01:35:44 PM  
Electrical Engineering building? I'm gonna make a wild guess here and say that some hot girl entered the building and a dispute erupted among students to go and help her out (most likely direct her toward some other building).

/Wait, I need to know if this was a individual nutjob or a terrorist first
 
2014-01-21 01:35:59 PM  

coeyagi: You serious?  Let me um, you know, laugh even harder.


Even the terrorist attacks in Europe are more peaceful than here. Good to know your hate is keeping you warm this winter.
 
2014-01-21 01:36:26 PM  
cue the "not this siat again" meme.  hope everyone is ok.
 
2014-01-21 01:36:27 PM  
 
2014-01-21 01:36:52 PM  

R.A.Danny: coeyagi: Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?

Why didn't we hear about this stuff anywhere 50 years ago?


Because, back then journalists had integrity.

/ also, networks didn't have 24 hours a day to fill with crap

// also, all of our nuts were locked up in looney bins
 
2014-01-21 01:37:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.


I remember. I was in Married Student Housing then. Wife was working in the office.
 
2014-01-21 01:37:52 PM  

Fubini: Crime is going to happen everywhere. What is particularly significant about it happening on a college campus?


School shootings are like catnip to the media and to gun control advocates because school shootings tend to have non-minority victims. It is the gun crime version of "missing pretty white girl syndrome." They don't care at all about common gun crimes because they are racists.
 
2014-01-21 01:37:52 PM  
off of lockdown (as of about 5 minutes ago)
 
2014-01-21 01:38:34 PM  
Is every shooting now worthy of the national spotlight?
 
2014-01-21 01:39:09 PM  
GanjSmokr:
I think it's time to start thinking outside of the box.  Is there a way that tax cuts and deregulation could solve this?

Now we're talking - I like thinking outside of the box...  Maybe the TSA could get involved in some way?


Great idea!  Maybe throw in a few more bank bailouts too and repeal Obamacare.
 
2014-01-21 01:40:30 PM  

Somacandra: forteblast: Find the guy and boil 'er up

Purdue is the "Boilermakers," right? I get that.  But everyone just sorta knows a brand of store chicken is called "Perdue?" Obviously I'm not getting the core concept here.


The university's benefactor and namesake is John Purdue (1802-1876)
The chicken company is Perdue Farms founded by Arthur Perdue in 1920

Sounds the same, but no relation
 
2014-01-21 01:40:41 PM  

MyRandomName: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Tell us your thoughts on the needless deaths from pools. Think of the children.


Nope, just stop it here.

There are some very opinionated people who immediately try to turn news stories into gun control threads and I would rather know what happened than see them flap their lips for the umpteenth time.
 
2014-01-21 01:41:08 PM  

GardenWeasel: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

I remember. I was in Married Student Housing then. Wife was working in the office.


Sad but true. There are murders almost every night in Chicago, right out in public. How often are they reported on a national basis like this incident?
 
2014-01-21 01:41:16 PM  

GoldSpider: Is every shooting now worthy of the national spotlight?


Think of all the TV shows and movies with violent drama people pay to see for entertainment.

Now think of all the internet clicks that sort of thing will generate.

If it's worthy of ad revenue, it's worthy of spotlighting.
 
2014-01-21 01:41:44 PM  

GoldSpider: Is every shooting now worthy of the national spotlight?


Only if white people are involved, if non-whites are killing non-whites the spotlight doesn't care.
 
2014-01-21 01:41:45 PM  
Well, seems like this one was over before it got good. Better luck next time Red Team.
 
2014-01-21 01:42:44 PM  
Not possible. See, Purdue is a "gun free zone" so this can't happen.

http://www.purduereview.com/5/allow-students-to-protect-themselves/
 
2014-01-21 01:43:28 PM  

lennavan: Somacandra: Not to seem too oblivious, but what is the deal with chickens here? Did I miss 'let's characterize everything in terms of chickens' day?

The article is about Purdue.

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 850x667]


Nothing lightens up a gun-violence thread like some nice breasts...thanks!
 
2014-01-21 01:43:40 PM  

neversubmit: GoldSpider: Is every shooting now worthy of the national spotlight?

Only if white people are involved, if non-whites are killing non-whites the spotlight doesn't care.


Zimmerman trial  drink!

www.shifthappens.com
 
2014-01-21 01:43:47 PM  
i.embed.ly
 
2014-01-21 01:43:52 PM  
Fark this.

/sad boiler
 
2014-01-21 01:43:54 PM  
This makes my blood boiler up!
 
2014-01-21 01:44:37 PM  
Where's Garret Bushong when you need him?

/obscure
 
2014-01-21 01:44:50 PM  

Wadded Beef: "A post on the school's TWITTER ACCOUNT says," CNN?  You can't pick up the phone to confirm it before alerting everyone?

[i280.photobucket.com image 300x450]

CNN iPhone = garbage.


FIFY
 
2014-01-21 01:45:39 PM  

GardenWeasel: [i.embed.ly image 600x1066]


You sure that's not a cop? He looks kind of old and well dressed.
 
2014-01-21 01:46:24 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".


I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section.   Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days.  This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?   Oh, that's right.  This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out.  There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings.  If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.
 
2014-01-21 01:46:36 PM  

super_grass: GardenWeasel: [i.embed.ly image 600x1066]

You sure that's not a cop? He looks kind of old and well dressed.


No, I'm not sure.
 
2014-01-21 01:47:17 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.


It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.
 
2014-01-21 01:47:47 PM  
Re: my post: oh my.

http://boilermakerbanter.blogspot.com/2006/12/garret-bushong-career- ov er.html

garret bushong | LinkedIn
Lafayette, Indiana Area - manager at Hot Box pizza
View  garret bushong's professional profile on LinkedIn.  ...
 
2014-01-21 01:48:14 PM  
Purdue? Guaranteed to be a white guy. 75% he's a Tea Party Patriot watering the freedom tree
 
2014-01-21 01:48:39 PM  

GardenWeasel: super_grass: GardenWeasel: [i.embed.ly image 600x1066]

You sure that's not a cop? He looks kind of old and well dressed.

No, I'm not sure.


There's some other pictures floating around of that guy with his hood up.

Looks like an AR with a bipod, foregrip, and some sort of optic mounted in front of the carry handle.

Likely not a cop.
 
2014-01-21 01:48:42 PM  

super_grass: neversubmit: GoldSpider: Is every shooting now worthy of the national spotlight?

Only if white people are involved, if non-whites are killing non-whites the spotlight doesn't care.

Zimmerman trial  drink!

[www.shifthappens.com image 500x243]


That's cute.  You do realize that Zimmerman became the whitest Mexican guy in the history of the world as soon as the race card was played, right?

Oh, and DRINK!
 
2014-01-21 01:49:36 PM  
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/01/21/346963/one-arrested-after-us- c ampus-shooting/

There were no immediate reports of any injuries, but authorities had just cleared the building and were searching for victims.
 
2014-01-21 01:50:29 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Purdue? Guaranteed to be a white guy. 75% he's a Tea Party Patriot watering the freedom tree


You sure hope so.
 
2014-01-21 01:50:35 PM  

MyRandomName: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Tell us your thoughts on the needless deaths from pools. Think of the children.


Obviously we need more pools.  More guns = less gun crime, so more pools = less pool deaths.
 
2014-01-21 01:52:04 PM  

lennavan: MyRandomName: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Tell us your thoughts on the needless deaths from pools. Think of the children.

Obviously we need more pools.  More guns = less gun crime, so more pools = less pool deaths.


How am I suppose to fulfill my fantasy of blowing the head off a home intruder with a pool?
 
2014-01-21 01:53:17 PM  

super_grass: neversubmit: GoldSpider: Is every shooting now worthy of the national spotlight?

Only if white people are involved, if non-whites are killing non-whites the spotlight doesn't care.

Zimmerman trial  drink!

[www.shifthappens.com image 500x243]


STOP THAT!  My liver can only take so much. :(

vygramul: nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?

Frequency.

It just hertz so many people.


BOOOOOO!!!

/lol
 
2014-01-21 01:53:35 PM  

iheartscotch: Pants full of macaroni!!: Do we know the shooter's political affiliation yet?  This is the most important part of any shooting story, and I will be awaiting this news with bated breath.

It's pretty obvious; it's those damn murlocs again.


We need to know what violent gun filled video games he was playing. And what type of devil music he listens too.
 
2014-01-21 01:53:41 PM  
mixthatdrink.com
R.I.P. Boilermaker
 
2014-01-21 01:55:20 PM  
I hope my TA friends are OK. =( My other friends in the building at the time aren't freaking out so the victim probably isn't from my clique.
 
2014-01-21 01:56:40 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: iheartscotch: Pants full of macaroni!!: Do we know the shooter's political affiliation yet?  This is the most important part of any shooting story, and I will be awaiting this news with bated breath.

It's pretty obvious; it's those damn murlocs again.

We need to know what violent gun filled video games he was playing. And what type of devil music he listens too.


Sim City, and the Dave Matthews Band.
 
2014-01-21 01:56:51 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Purdue? Guaranteed to be a white guy. 75% he's a Tea Party Patriot watering the freedom tree


Unpossible because TINSTAAVC.
 
2014-01-21 01:57:41 PM  

R.A.Danny: GardenWeasel: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

I remember. I was in Married Student Housing then. Wife was working in the office.

Sad but true. There are murders almost every night in Chicago, right out in public. How often are they reported on a national basis like this incident?


Everyone expects minorities in Chicago kill eacah other, that's just part of the culture. Things like this shouldn't happen on a college campus where everyone is only concerened with higher learning and are not people with emotions that often times make irrational decisions. No one involved in higher education has ever been off kilter, not one bit.
2.bp.blogspot.com

www.murderpedia.org

www.wwaytv3.com
 
2014-01-21 01:58:15 PM  

GoldSpider: How am I suppose to fulfill my fantasy of blowing the head off a home intruder with a pool?


You just blew my mind.
 
2014-01-21 02:00:38 PM  

FlyingJ: Re: my post: oh my.

http://boilermakerbanter.blogspot.com/2006/12/garret-bushong-career- ov er.html

garret bushong | LinkedIn
Lafayette, Indiana Area - manager at Hot Box pizza
View  garret bushong's professional profile on LinkedIn.  ...


I was a freshman when that stuff went down. Pretty big mountain out of a molehill IMO

To the fellow Purdue farkers in this thread, any word on if this happened inside or outside the EE building? If outside, was it on the engineering mall? (big central area of campus with lots of students and pedestrians)
 
2014-01-21 02:00:43 PM  

s2s2s2: Why is it that shootings in no gun zones get the most coverage?


Because a shooting in a gun zone is about as newsworthy as rain in the rain forest.
 
2014-01-21 02:00:49 PM  

p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.


Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?
 
2014-01-21 02:01:07 PM  

lennavan: MyRandomName: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Tell us your thoughts on the needless deaths from pools. Think of the children.

Obviously we need more pools.  More guns = less gun crime, so more pools = less pool deaths.


Has anyone thought about simply making drowning illegal?
 
2014-01-21 02:01:34 PM  

jaybeezey: Everyone expects minorities in Chicago kill eacah other, that's just part of the culture. Things like this shouldn't happen on a college campus where everyone is only concerened with higher learning and are not people with emotions that often times make irrational decisions. No one involved in higher education has ever been off kilter, not one bit.


Yet it is the one in a million case that brings the press. Conversely, the attitude you described also means that minorities are SUPPOSED to be killing each other, and that it is less of a tragedy.
 
2014-01-21 02:02:12 PM  

coeyagi: Why don't we hear about this kind of thing on a regular basis in Europe?

a) We're Americans, therefore exceptional, don't want to hear about Europe
b) It rarely happens in Europe.
c) a + b

Cry, citizenry, this incident will put Obama 2-steps closer on the board game of "Gun Grabber" to your front door.

//that would be a cool board game


If I remember U.S. history correctly...it was something-something, men in wigs break away from England, then that magical time in the 50's and early 60's where housewives had modern appliances and kids could go for a swell ride on their bikes. You could always leave your door unlocked and there was no crime.

THEN THE BEATLES AND THEIR LONG HAIR CAME ALONG.
 
2014-01-21 02:03:11 PM  

99.998er: [mixthatdrink.com image 300x316]
R.I.P. Boilermaker


Make it 4 boilermakers!

images.dailyfill.com
 
2014-01-21 02:03:15 PM  

GoldSpider: HaywoodJablonski: Purdue? Guaranteed to be a white guy. 75% he's a Tea Party Patriot watering the freedom tree

You sure hope so.


Good to know I was part of the other 25%.
 
2014-01-21 02:04:19 PM  

Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?


He's chilling with Don Mattingly.
 
2014-01-21 02:04:25 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: To the fellow Purdue farkers in this thread, any word on if this happened inside or outside the EE building? If outside, was it on the engineering mall? (big central area of campus with lots of students and pedestrians)


Inside EE.


also,  https://twitter.com/LifeAtPurdue
 
2014-01-21 02:04:33 PM  

GoldSpider: lennavan: MyRandomName: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.

Tell us your thoughts on the needless deaths from pools. Think of the children.

Obviously we need more pools.  More guns = less gun crime, so more pools = less pool deaths.

How am I suppose to fulfill my fantasy of blowing the head off a home intruder with a pool?


I thought you people were a myth.
 
2014-01-21 02:09:07 PM  

p the boiler: GoldSpider: HaywoodJablonski: Purdue? Guaranteed to be a white guy. 75% he's a Tea Party Patriot watering the freedom tree

You sure hope so.

Good to know I was part of the other 25%.


Meh, the whole "Purdue is a conservative campus" meme is just a myth perpetuated by a vocal minority of right-wingers, at least when I was there. The rest of us were pretty typical college liberals/libertarians. Back in 2008, the student body's vote actually managed to swing all of Tippecanoe County to Obama.
 
2014-01-21 02:09:21 PM  

p the boiler: Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?

He's chilling with Don Mattingly.


Also, thank you for not wanting me dead. Side note: I was an awful RA.
 
2014-01-21 02:09:37 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Did they get the gun from tannehill's wife?


Lulz.
 
2014-01-21 02:11:15 PM  

nullptr: I hope my TA friends are OK. =( My other friends in the building at the time aren't freaking out so the victim probably isn't from my clique.


And fark everyone else, right?
 
2014-01-21 02:11:20 PM  

GanjSmokr: lennavan: MyRandomName: lennavan: This just shows we need more guns.
Tell us your thoughts on the needless deaths from pools. Think of the children.
Obviously we need more pools.  More guns = less gun crime, so more pools = less pool deaths.

Has anyone thought about simply making drowning illegal?


If pools are outlawed, then only outlaws will have pools.
 
2014-01-21 02:13:19 PM  

R.A.Danny: jaybeezey: Everyone expects minorities in Chicago kill eacah other, that's just part of the culture. Things like this shouldn't happen on a college campus where everyone is only concerened with higher learning and are not people with emotions that often times make irrational decisions. No one involved in higher education has ever been off kilter, not one bit.

Yet it is the one in a million case that brings the press. Conversely, the attitude you described also means that minorities are SUPPOSED to be killing each other, and that it is less of a tragedy.


I don't think they are supposed to , i hope others don't think that as well, but i think it has become common place enough that it is no longer a news story.

In the state of TX about 2500 are killed each year in car crashes. That's a lot people, but it happens every year and has become common place. Unless of course you know one of the deceased.
 
2014-01-21 02:14:32 PM  
vygramul Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Proud Tradition of Hoosier Firearm Shenanigans

i3.squidoocdn.com
 
2014-01-21 02:15:26 PM  
How come there's no gun model/caliber debate? This is the worst gun but thread ever
 
2014-01-21 02:17:52 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: How come there's no gun model/caliber debate? This is the worst gun but thread ever


Give it time.  They haven't found the AK-47 or assault weapon yet.
 
2014-01-21 02:19:01 PM  

AngryDragon: HaywoodJablonski: How come there's no gun model/caliber debate? This is the worst gun but thread ever

Give it time.  They haven't found the AK-47 or assault weapon yet.


It might be a glock.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:15 PM  
i.embed.ly

i.embed.ly
 
2014-01-21 02:24:33 PM  

GardenWeasel: [i.embed.ly image 600x1065]

[i.embed.ly image 600x1066]


Shooter confirmed for mall ninja EOTECH Magpul tacticool wannabe
 
2014-01-21 02:25:30 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: How come there's no gun model/caliber debate? This is the worst gun but thread ever


Yeah, how can we know if it was clip or mag without at least some basic info.
 
2014-01-21 02:25:37 PM  
I work in the Purdue Physics building.  It's two buildings away and connected via tunnel.

We were told via page to "shelter in place" for a little while, but otherwise everyone was kind of meh.

From our POV it seemed to be minor.  Maybe I'll learn more when I see the news later...
 
2014-01-21 02:29:22 PM  
People get killed everyday.  Can we stop with the goddamn news flashes already?
 
2014-01-21 02:29:38 PM  
GardenWeasel:

Looks like a Worthington "Sammy's Special" semi-automatic 2-gauge with Kung-fu grip and laser sites. I have 2 myself
 
2014-01-21 02:29:40 PM  

Dr Jack Badofsky: Unoriginal_Username: iheartscotch: Pants full of macaroni!!: Do we know the shooter's political affiliation yet?  This is the most important part of any shooting story, and I will be awaiting this news with bated breath.

It's pretty obvious; it's those damn murlocs again.

We need to know what violent gun filled video games he was playing. And what type of devil music he listens too.

Sim City, and the Dave Matthews Band.


Well shiat, that would make anyone go postal.
 
2014-01-21 02:31:05 PM  
the_vegetarian_cannibalMeh, the whole "Purdue is a conservative campus" meme is just a myth perpetuated by a vocal minority of right-wingers, at least when I was there. The rest of us were pretty typical college liberals/libertarians. Back in 2008, the student body's vote actually managed to swing all of Tippecanoe County to Obama.

Tippecanoe? I'm sick of you FARK Whigs turning every thread into a paean to William Henry Harrison aka "The Chosen One"-all your posts about that stupid Polk getting us involved in that war way out in Mexico...
 
2014-01-21 02:33:08 PM  
One of the things that makes America great is being able to sacrifice yourself to kill people who piss you off.  I wouldnt have it any other way.

/Hey, lets go beat up that skinny kid for his xbox.  He wont fight back.
//Nah bro, he might flip out and shoot us.
 
2014-01-21 02:33:23 PM  
Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?

Oh, you do not ....
 
2014-01-21 02:35:50 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Dr Jack Badofsky: Unoriginal_Username: iheartscotch: Pants full of macaroni!!: Do we know the shooter's political affiliation yet?  This is the most important part of any shooting story, and I will be awaiting this news with bated breath.

It's pretty obvious; it's those damn murlocs again.

We need to know what violent gun filled video games he was playing. And what type of devil music he listens too.

Sim City, and the Dave Matthews Band.

Well shiat, that would make anyone go postal.


farm2.static.flickr.com
 
2014-01-21 02:36:08 PM  
From RTV6:

Purdue freshman Nicki Heston said she was in a 300-person lecture hal when everyone heard a commotion outside.
"We heard two or three policemen screaming, 'Get down, get down,'" Heston said. "We went to the door to see what was going on outside."

FAIL
 
2014-01-21 02:36:24 PM  
Honestly though, we all should just report these non-news flashes and move on
 
2014-01-21 02:39:16 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: FlyingJ: Re: my post: oh my.

http://boilermakerbanter.blogspot.com/2006/12/garret-bushong-career- ov er.html

garret bushong | LinkedIn
Lafayette, Indiana Area - manager at Hot Box pizza
View  garret bushong's professional profile on LinkedIn.  ...

I was a freshman when that stuff went down. Pretty big mountain out of a molehill IMO

To the fellow Purdue farkers in this thread, any word on if this happened inside or outside the EE building? If outside, was it on the engineering mall? (big central area of campus with lots of students and pedestrians)


I'm hearing that the TA is dead and it was an ECE 362 microcontroller lab. I feel sick.
 
2014-01-21 02:39:55 PM  

Frank N Stein: GardenWeasel: [i.embed.ly image 600x1065]

[i.embed.ly image 600x1066]

Shooter confirmed for mall ninja EOTECH Magpul tacticool wannabe


And he does even do that poorly. No tactial gloves, non-black pants. And what are those shoes? "Hiking" boots or something? He probably doesn't even have a vest on!

Don't even get me started on the handle on the AR.

/stay safe you boilermakers
 
2014-01-21 02:40:41 PM  
allegedly TA that was shot was in ECE 362 (microprocessor systems and interfacing).  not sure if class or lab.
 
2014-01-21 02:40:56 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: nullptr: I hope my TA friends are OK. =( My other friends in the building at the time aren't freaking out so the victim probably isn't from my clique.

And fark everyone else, right?


Exactly, I'm really hoping my friends were missed and some other schmuck caught the bullet. Fark off.
 
msk [TotalFark]
2014-01-21 02:41:20 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: How come there's no gun model/caliber debate? This is the worst gun but thread ever


The trolls have lost their edge around here... gone soft.
 
2014-01-21 02:41:36 PM  

super_grass: [persephonemagazine.com image 480x360]The Politics tab will go down in flames.


Just nuke the politics queue again, IMO.

Also, someone reset the counter on when it's too soon to talk about gun control again.
 
2014-01-21 02:42:19 PM  

mdeesnuts: And he does even do that poorly

FTFM
 
2014-01-21 02:42:52 PM  
live news conference... reporting one person dead.

http://www.theindychannel.com/live-video
 
2014-01-21 02:43:49 PM  
1:45 -The Exponent is getting reports that a TA for ECE 362 was shot point blank in EE 067. EE 067 is a lab classroom that holds 25 students.
1:47 - Purdue reports no ongoing threat to campus. Resume normal operations. Electrical Engineering Building will remain closed.
1:50 - Email from Prof. David Meyer, "IMPORTANT: Any student that witnessed the incident today (Tuesday, January 21) in room EE 067 please contact the Purdue police department as soon as possible." Meyer is the professor of the classroom where the shooting occurred.

http://www.purdueexponent.org/article_01671e3e-82c9-11e3-90bb-001a4b cf 6878.html
 
2014-01-21 02:45:02 PM  
Sure, this is tragic, but I'd say it's better than the alternative of gun-grabbing. It's the price we pay for a society in which gun owners are able to overthrow a tyrannical government but never will based on past experience.
 
2014-01-21 02:45:26 PM  

mdeesnuts: Frank N Stein: GardenWeasel: [i.embed.ly image 600x1065]

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Shooter confirmed for mall ninja EOTECH Magpul tacticool wannabe

And he does even do that poorly. No tactial gloves, non-black pants. And what are those shoes? "Hiking" boots or something? He probably doesn't even have a vest on!

Don't even get me started on the handle on the AR.

/stay safe you boilermakers


He should have gone full tacticool and decked himself out in multicam
 
2014-01-21 02:45:37 PM  

GardenWeasel: [i.embed.ly image 600x1065]

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Confirmed to be police officers by Purdue
 
2014-01-21 02:46:31 PM  

Sliding Carp: i.e. "shooter in custody", coupled with "remain in place until further notice" and a labor- and time-intensive sweep of a large campus, worried about almost certainly non-existent accomplices.


Yeah, well, the lawsuit against Virginia Tech from two of the families kind of made that a necessity to keep the schools from getting sued.
 
2014-01-21 02:46:43 PM  

AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section.   Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days.  This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?   Oh, that's right.  This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out.  There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings.  If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.


Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.
 
2014-01-21 02:47:14 PM  
 
2014-01-21 02:53:09 PM  

Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?


Cary Quad resident in 1982-83, West Unit 3rd floor.

Are they still running the nude olympics? It should be getting close with all this cold weather.
 
2014-01-21 02:54:29 PM  
The obligatory "our thoughts and prayers go out to ..." posts are already on Facebook.
 
2014-01-21 02:57:27 PM  

beerrun: Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?

Cary Quad resident in 1982-83, West Unit 3rd floor.

Are they still running the nude olympics? It should be getting close with all this cold weather.


I ran once way back, when I lived in Owen. Still have the t-shirt.
 
2014-01-21 02:57:38 PM  
Sounds like a targeted deal on a Prof or TA? Revenge for a grade or comment, etc? Crazytown regardless, thoughts are with current Boilers from this alum... what a sucky day.
 
2014-01-21 02:58:38 PM  

Pichu0102: AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section.   Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days.  This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?   Oh, that's right.  This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out.  There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings.  If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.


Gun control is not the answer.
 
2014-01-21 02:59:36 PM  

AngryDragon: Pichu0102: AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section.   Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days.  This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?   Oh, that's right.  This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out.  There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings.  If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.

Gun control is not the answer.


You are right. Gun elimination is.

/ducks
 
2014-01-21 03:01:00 PM  

AngryDragon: Pichu0102: AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section.   Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days.  This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?   Oh, that's right.  This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out.  There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings.  If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.

Gun control is not the answer.


Yep, thats exactly what fox news has programmed you to believe.
 
2014-01-21 03:01:31 PM  
GoldSpider


Is every shooting now worthy of the national spotlight?

work949.files.wordpress.com
Never let a crisis go to waste.

//at least that's what his teleprompter said.
 
2014-01-21 03:01:52 PM  
Maybe he was an ME (Mechanical Engineer) and wanted to let those A-HOLES in the EE building see what his final project prototype could do.


/Resets the public shooting counter
 
2014-01-21 03:03:53 PM  

ABQGOD: The obligatory "our thoughts and prayers go out to ..." posts are already on Facebook.


Personally, I am shocked and saddened by these developments ...
 
2014-01-21 03:05:22 PM  
@piersmorgan Shootings at Widener University, Pennsylvania and Purdue University, Indiana in last 24hrs are 34th & 35th school shootings since Newtown.
 
2014-01-21 03:08:43 PM  
OnlyM3:
Never let a crisis go to waste.

//at least that's what his teleprompter said.

(favorite: Still making teleprompter jokes)
 
2014-01-21 03:09:48 PM  

AngryDragon: The hypocrisy is sickening.


AngryDragon: Gun control is not the answer.


So, basically, you're pissed that our lax gun laws and underfunded, understaffed enforcement allow every two-bit gangbanger in the hood and halfwit inbred in the trailer park to get hold of a gun, but you're opposed to tightening up gun laws or properly funding and staffing enforcement measures to better ensure that the two-bits and halfwits don't have as much of a chance to shoot people..... which makes everybody else a hypocrite?

Why do you even post? Just to see how wrong you can be about everything?
 
2014-01-21 03:10:17 PM  
Where's that retarded Tom Tomorrow comic?
 
2014-01-21 03:10:52 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-21 03:14:26 PM  

Molavian: Where's that retarded Tom Tomorrow comic?


Hey, I haven't seen that in a while.

Wait until the post lunch rush and some morally indignant farker will post it.
 
2014-01-21 03:20:32 PM  

AngryDragon: Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?


Cause drug deals gone bad, someone sleeping with the wrong woman, and bangers banging the bang bang are not reasons to march on washington
 
2014-01-21 03:20:52 PM  

super_grass: Molavian: Where's that retarded Tom Tomorrow comic?

Hey, I haven't seen that in a while.

Wait until the post lunch rush and some morally indignant farker will post it.


You poor delicate flowers.
 
2014-01-21 03:23:17 PM  
Not really going to get into the whole gun debate, but here's the thing:

We live in a free and open society.  You can pass stricter gun laws.  You can check backgrounds, register, license people, whatever.  Someone wants to kill someone else, they're going to find a way to get a hold of a firearm, with enough determination.  There's no guarantee of safety, unless you want to live on permanent lockdown.

And I consider a society in which the government and law enforcement has firearms, and citizens can't have them, to be a society on permanent lockdown.

All accounts so far indicate this was the murder of an individual, not a nutjob mass shooting.  Murders aren't peculiar to the United States, but because this happened on a college campus in a building full of undergrads, it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."
 
2014-01-21 03:29:36 PM  
Back when I TA'ed an ECE class at Illinois, the students reacted to bad grades the old fashioned way-- by harrassing the professor until he overrode my grades.  The world's changed so much in 10 years.

On a more serious  note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this.  I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.
 
2014-01-21 03:33:00 PM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: There's no guarantee of safety


Nobody believes otherwise.

TeaEarlGreyHot: ...citizens can't have [guns]...


Good thing pretty much nobody is trying to do that, huh?

TeaEarlGreyHot: ...it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."


That's because it is one. That's how datasets work. It's a shooting at a school, therefore it's a school shooting. If you want to differentiate between mass and singular killings, that's an extra, separate criteria.

TeaEarlGreyHot: Murders aren't peculiar to the United States...


Murders in the U.S. are double the average for OECD countries and murder by firearms is behind only Mexico - you know, that country currently involved in a long-waged drug war between the military and multiple massive cartels - as far as OECD countries go.

Murder isn't just "not peculiar" in the U.S. We're world leaders in murders and gun violence when it comes to developed nations. Those actual, hard numbers are part of the reason some of us tend to think maybe there's a bit more we could do to curb the problem without unduly restricting anybody's rights.

But, alas, gun ownership is the one and only right in the U.S. that apparently is absolute, so here we are and here we'll stay.

Yee-frickin-haw.
 
2014-01-21 03:33:36 PM  

balki1867: Back when I TA'ed an ECE class at Illinois, the students reacted to bad grades the old fashioned way-- by harrassing the professor until he overrode my grades.  The world's changed so much in 10 years.

On a more serious  note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this.  I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.


Let's be thankful that
a) the shooter just killed one person
b) he didn't shoot himself afterwards

If any murder can be called 'sane', this qualifies.
 
2014-01-21 03:39:16 PM  

nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?


Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

 Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.
 
2014-01-21 03:39:58 PM  
balki1867:
On a more serious  note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this.  I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.

(Same disclaimer of not knowing what happened.) Crimes of passion, people failing to check themselves, this is nothing new.  It's been going on since the first farmer got jealous of the first herder.  And how many people kill themselves rather than seeking help for their problems?  It is totally senseless, but the world hasn't changed.  The difference today is the media orgasm that results.
 
2014-01-21 03:43:59 PM  
I certainly wanted to shoot my RA at the Quad.

'81-'82 3rd floor SW
 
2014-01-21 03:44:09 PM  
Disgruntled Goat:
Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

 Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.


This.
 
2014-01-21 03:44:24 PM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: Not really going to get into the whole gun debate, but here's the thing:

We live in a free and open society.  You can pass stricter gun laws.  You can check backgrounds, register, license people, whatever.  Someone wants to kill someone else, they're going to find a way to get a hold of a firearm, with enough determination.  There's no guarantee of safety, unless you want to live on permanent lockdown.

And I consider a society in which the government and law enforcement has firearms, and citizens can't have them, to be a society on permanent lockdown.

All accounts so far indicate this was the murder of an individual, not a nutjob mass shooting.  Murders aren't peculiar to the United States, but because this happened on a college campus in a building full of undergrads, it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."


Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.
 
2014-01-21 03:46:51 PM  

beerrun: Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?

Cary Quad resident in 1982-83, West Unit 3rd floor.

Are they still running the nude olympics? It should be getting close with all this cold weather.


Was that a floor above the Sterile Ward, or was that in NW?
 
2014-01-21 03:46:56 PM  

Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?


Call your buddy and tell us?
 
2014-01-21 03:47:47 PM  

skozlaw: Good thing pretty much nobody is trying to do that, huh?


Actually, a good number of folks are doing that. If you want to know who, just look at all the folks that disagree with the individualist interpretation of the Heller Decision and instead want this to be a collectivist interpretation.
 
2014-01-21 03:48:18 PM  
So does that mean the victim's roommate gets A's for the rest of the semester or life?
 
2014-01-21 03:48:19 PM  

Dimensio: Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm.


Weak troll is weak... 1.5/10
 
2014-01-21 03:48:47 PM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: (Same disclaimer of not knowing what happened.) Crimes of passion, people failing to check themselves, this is nothing new.  It's been going on since the first farmer got jealous of the first herder.  And how many people kill themselves rather than seeking help for their problems?  It is totally senseless, but the world hasn't changed.  The difference today is the media orgasm that results.


For the record-- I totally agree.  It's just really unfortunate every time.
 
2014-01-21 03:49:19 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?

Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

 Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.


This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten.  A kid murders someone at a public University and it's so commonplace it should only make the local news.
 
2014-01-21 03:52:41 PM  

devilEther: s2s2s2: Why is it that shootings in no gun zones get the most coverage?

Because a shooting in a gun zone is about as newsworthy as rain in the rain forest.


We both know what this is really about.

You want me to have an abortion.
 
2014-01-21 03:54:18 PM  

Pangea: Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?

Call your buddy and tell us?


I saw your response above. Glad he's OK.
 
2014-01-21 03:56:51 PM  

Somacandra: devilEther: s2s2s2: Why is it that shootings in no gun zones get the most coverage?

Because a shooting in a gun zone is about as newsworthy as rain in the rain forest.

We both know what this is really about.

You want me to have an abortion.


Not only that, a taxpayer-funded gay islamo-marxist abortion during a Justin Beiber concert
 
2014-01-21 03:57:07 PM  

lennavan: Disgruntled Goat: nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?

Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

 Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.

This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten.  A kid murders someone at a public University and it's so commonplace it should only make the local news.


Why is murder at a university more warranting of national media attention that a murder at a grocery store? Or a park? They're public places, too.
Murders happen in this country every single day. It is reality, and always has been in my lifetime.
Had this not been picked up and gone national (for no reason other than the university location), would you have known or cared? No.
Should every single murder be broadcast on the national news, CNN etc.?
 
2014-01-21 03:58:57 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: Murders happen in this country every single day. It is reality, and always has been in my lifetime.


You're right, we should just get used to it.
 
2014-01-21 03:59:29 PM  

Disgruntled Goat: if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution


Generally most of the people at educational institutions are younger or outright kids. When you hear about bad stuff happening as you send your kids off to school each day, its hard. You want to protect them in every way possible, and you think "what if it happened here?" When Newtown happened a lot of parents, myself included, were very anxious to see our kids that day. And what of the employees?  My father is a substitute teacher in OK---at a school where a kid came into the school and blew his own head off. You damn bet I was pretty interested in finding out if he was ok, especially in the early phase when we didn't know that others were ok. Luckily he wasn't working that day. Yes, its perfectly natural and reasonable for parents to freak out about guns and schools.
 
2014-01-21 03:59:31 PM  

Somacandra: devilEther: s2s2s2: Why is it that shootings in no gun zones get the most coverage?

Because a shooting in a gun zone is about as newsworthy as rain in the rain forest.

We both know what this is really about.

You want me to have an abortion.


It really is the only sensible thing to do - if it's done safely, of course.
 
2014-01-21 04:00:00 PM  

Dimensio: TeaEarlGreyHot:
Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.


Are you a troll?

Like I said, I'm not going to debate whether sensible gun regulation is a good idea or not.  I don't really feel the need to carry around deadly weapons, so in all honesty, I don't care all that much.  Gun nuts that I've met in person tend to be paranoid, insecure people who believe that they are in perpetual danger of being jumped by gangs of minorities, or targeted by the government.  I don't lump myself in with that sort.

That said, (assuming you're actually serious and not a troll) this homicide could easily have occurred had the nation passed sensible firearms regulations.  He could borrow or steal a gun from a friend.  There will always be a black market.  He could go through legit channels to get a weapon.  Who's to stop him if he's never, ever killed anyone before?  People are fooling themselves if they think they can simply regulate away danger, and that's the notion I find troubling.

Targeted homicides committed without firearms?  I'm lazy, so
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=stabb ed &oq=stabbed

You'll have to read the individual stories to see which ones are "targeted" and which ones are "random."
 
2014-01-21 04:00:00 PM  

lennavan: This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten.


I'll bite...since 1991 guns have contributed a pretty steady 66-70% of a steadily decreasing overall murder count in the US.  That means that for the past 23 years, if you were murdered, the odds have been the same for whether it was with a gun or not.  Overall fewer people have been murdered, which means fewer people per year have been murdered with guns each year for the past 23 years on average (trend line).

Gun violence isn't getting worse, media spotlighting and the 24 hour news cycle is desensitizing us.
 
2014-01-21 04:05:25 PM  

morgen_benner: Gun violence isn't getting worse, media spotlighting and the 24 hour news cycle is desensitizing us.


So, shouldn't that mean the perception is that gun violence isn't getting worse?  Oh, wait, that is your position.  You are desensitized.
 
2014-01-21 04:05:39 PM  

Somacandra: Disgruntled Goat: if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution

Generally most of the people at educational institutions are younger or outright kids. When you hear about bad stuff happening as you send your kids off to school each day, its hard. You want to protect them in every way possible, and you think "what if it happened here?" When Newtown happened a lot of parents, myself included, were very anxious to see our kids that day. And what of the employees?  My father is a substitute teacher in OK---at a school where a kid came into the school and blew his own head off. You damn bet I was pretty interested in finding out if he was ok, especially in the early phase when we didn't know that others were ok. Luckily he wasn't working that day. Yes, its perfectly natural and reasonable for parents to freak out about guns and schools.


It was a UNIVERSITY.

And stop living your life in abject terror of what might, COULD, maybe, POSSIBLY happen.
 
2014-01-21 04:06:34 PM  

morgen_benner: guns have contributed a pretty steady 66-70% of a steadily decreasing overall murder count in the US


Right, guns account for 2/3 and non-guns account for 1/3.  How would you summarize the comparison of 2/3 versus 1/3?

morgen_benner: if you were murdered, the odds have been the same for whether it was with a gun or not


Ah okay.  So if I may summarize your argument:

morgen_benner: Guns are okay because 66% = 33%.

Makes sense.
 
2014-01-21 04:08:48 PM  

lennavan: morgen_benner: guns have contributed a pretty steady 66-70% of a steadily decreasing overall murder count in the US

Right, guns account for 2/3 and non-guns account for 1/3.  How would you summarize the comparison of 2/3 versus 1/3?

morgen_benner: if you were murdered, the odds have been the same for whether it was with a gun or not

Ah okay.  So if I may summarize your argument:

morgen_benner: Guns are okay because 66% = 33%.

Makes sense.


No, the odds have been 66 to 70% every year for the past 23 years. The same each year.
 
2014-01-21 04:10:57 PM  

trappedspirit: morgen_benner: Gun violence isn't getting worse, media spotlighting and the 24 hour news cycle is desensitizing us.

So, shouldn't that mean the perception is that gun violence isn't getting worse?  Oh, wait, that is your position.  You are desensitized.


I might be desensitized, but that doesn't change the numbers.  The population goes up, overall murders go down, murders with guns go down...that means whether anyone wants to admit it or not, gun violence is NOT getting worse.
 
2014-01-21 04:12:23 PM  
The investigation at the suspect's house has apparently escalated a bit. Local newspaper just sent an alert that they'd called in the bomb squad.
 
2014-01-21 04:12:26 PM  

Pangea: Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?

Call your buddy and tell us?


He's not on campus today. He doesn't know anything more than what's on the news.
 
2014-01-21 04:27:30 PM  
It's too soon, right?
 
2014-01-21 04:31:16 PM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: Dimensio: TeaEarlGreyHot:
Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.

Are you a troll?


I have him favorited as  (favorite: Rational Pro-Gun).  And he's pretty consistent about it.  I'm guessing he's being sarcastic.  But I don't quite get the joke.  You're not at your best today, Dimensio.
 
2014-01-21 04:34:00 PM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: Not really going to get into the whole gun debate, but here's the thing:

We live in a free and open society.  You can pass stricter gun laws.  You can check backgrounds, register, license people, whatever.  Someone wants to kill someone else, they're going to find a way to get a hold of a firearm, with enough determination.  There's no guarantee of safety, unless you want to live on permanent lockdown.

And I consider a society in which the government and law enforcement has firearms, and citizens can't have them, to be a society on permanent lockdown.

All accounts so far indicate this was the murder of an individual, not a nutjob mass shooting.  Murders aren't peculiar to the United States, but because this happened on a college campus in a building full of undergrads, it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."


Finally... someone reasonable about things.  

This was not a school shooting.  This was a shooting that took place at a school.  There IS a difference....


And either you want to be free, or you don't.  Cost of freedom, or else go on lockdown.  


I'll take freedom please.
 
2014-01-21 04:37:09 PM  

DarwinianReject: TeaEarlGreyHot: Dimensio: TeaEarlGreyHot:
Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.

Are you a troll?

I have him favorited as  (favorite: Rational Pro-Gun).  And he's pretty consistent about it.  I'm guessing he's being sarcastic.  But I don't quite get the joke.  You're not at your best today, Dimensio.


I lack coffee.
 
2014-01-21 04:49:04 PM  

skozlaw: TeaEarlGreyHot: There's no guarantee of safety

Nobody believes otherwise.

TeaEarlGreyHot: ...citizens can't have [guns]...

Good thing pretty much nobody is trying to do that, huh?

TeaEarlGreyHot: ...it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."

That's because it is one. That's how datasets work. It's a shooting at a school, therefore it's a school shooting. If you want to differentiate between mass and singular killings, that's an extra, separate criteria.

TeaEarlGreyHot: Murders aren't peculiar to the United States...

Murders in the U.S. are double the average for OECD countries and murder by firearms is behind only Mexico - you know, that country currently involved in a long-waged drug war between the military and multiple massive cartels - as far as OECD countries go.

Murder isn't just "not peculiar" in the U.S. We're world leaders in murders and gun violence when it comes to developed nations. Those actual, hard numbers are part of the reason some of us tend to think maybe there's a bit more we could do to curb the problem without unduly restricting anybody's rights.

But, alas, gun ownership is the one and only right in the U.S. that apparently is absolute, so here we are and here we'll stay.

Yee-frickin-haw.


These videos directly refutes some of your points.  Please try again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCzCJzTRtPc
 
2014-01-21 04:52:32 PM  
Mr.BobDobalita:
This was not a school shooting.  This was a shooting that took place at a school.  There IS a difference....

At the same time, as my wife (full disclosure: she's a Purdue grad, was in another building) pointed out, this isn't just like he tracked the guy down off-campus and shot him on some side street.  He did this in a very public place, where people have an expectation of being safe.

There are lesser victims: the students who went through the traumatic experience of seeing someone they knew violently ended in front of them, and they will need to go through counseling.  It's not just some guy shooting some other guy.
 
2014-01-21 04:54:32 PM  
lennavan:

This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten.  A kid murders someone at a public University and it's so commonplace it should only make the local news.

How do you figure?  "How bad gun violence has gotten"?  Violent crime as well as murder have LITERALLY been reduced by 50% in the last 20 years.  The murder rate is near a historic low.  

The 24 hour news cycle is what makes things feel more violent or worse.  IF it bleeds it leads.    But if you actually look at the stats, we are at 20 year lows for both violent crime and murder.
 
2014-01-21 04:55:15 PM  

skinink: Who would commit such a fowl act?


Psycho Chicken, natch.

/he's got a grudge against Frank Perdue
 
2014-01-21 04:56:04 PM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: Mr.BobDobalita:
This was not a school shooting.  This was a shooting that took place at a school.  There IS a difference....

At the same time, as my wife (full disclosure: she's a Purdue grad, was in another building) pointed out, this isn't just like he tracked the guy down off-campus and shot him on some side street.  He did this in a very public place, where people have an expectation of being safe.

There are lesser victims: the students who went through the traumatic experience of seeing someone they knew violently ended in front of them, and they will need to go through counseling.  It's not just some guy shooting some other guy.


Well they have the "gun free zone" to thank for that.

I somewhat see your point, however, but how is this different from any other "very public place"?
 
2014-01-21 05:02:34 PM  

mister aj: Sure, this is tragic, but I'd say it's better than the alternative of gun-grabbing. It's the price we pay for a society in which gun owners are able to overthrow a tyrannical government but never will based on past experience.


people attempting to overthrow a tryrannical gov't in this country are 1-0 or 1-1 depending on your thoughts on the civil war.
 
2014-01-21 05:03:18 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: How do you figure? "How bad gun violence has gotten"? Violent crime as well as murder have LITERALLY been reduced by 50% in the last 20 years. The murder rate is near a historic low.


Why would you choose "the last 20 years?"  Seems like an arbitrary number to select.  The point I was making is we are now desensitized to gun violence.  Here you are, proclaiming how terrific things are, while others are saying a gun shooting is no big deal.  Look how awesome the US is doing!

www.washingtonpost.com
You realize you're just supporting my point, right?
 
2014-01-21 05:09:33 PM  
I get that it happened at a school, but there is a drastic difference between a person shooting up a school full of children, and a person shooting a specific person at a school, or on campus.  Hell, Purdue's campus is so big, that you could kill a guy behind a bar and not realize that you're on campus, then the media is gonna have a school shootingasm.

This killing is absolutely no different than any other murder that takes place every day across the country.  A person with an axe to grind with a specific other person kills them.  The difference only being that it happened at a "school" and not in a house, or in the street, etc.  The only reason it happened at a school, was because the shooter knew where to find the victim.

Yes, it's traumatic that he walked into a classroom full of other students and shot one of their classmates.  I get that those people are going to require stress counseling and what not.

There needs to be a distinction between what happened today at Purdue, and what happened at Newton, Virginia Tech, Columbine, etc.  Those were legitimate school shootings (i.e. indiscriminate killings, large body count goals, etc), this was a murder where the opportunity to commit said murder arose on a school campus.
 
2014-01-21 05:10:57 PM  

lennavan: Mr.BobDobalita: How do you figure? "How bad gun violence has gotten"? Violent crime as well as murder have LITERALLY been reduced by 50% in the last 20 years. The murder rate is near a historic low.

Why would you choose "the last 20 years?"  Seems like an arbitrary number to select.  The point I was making is we are now desensitized to gun violence.  Here you are, proclaiming how terrific things are, while others are saying a gun shooting is no big deal.  Look how awesome the US is doing!

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You realize you're just supporting my point, right?


bbbbut guns good
 
2014-01-21 05:14:30 PM  

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That was a plain clothes cop. Or so the rumors are going right now.

The story as I have it right now is that some kid came into his lab section and put one into the lab TA's head. Turned around and surrendered to police when they got there.They were searching a house I passed around when I was going to pick up the fiance from campus.

Rumors of the 2nd shooter were on account of a kid running through a parking garage after the incident. Possibly running from the sound of gunfire?
 
2014-01-21 05:31:50 PM  

jaybeezey: mister aj: Sure, this is tragic, but I'd say it's better than the alternative of gun-grabbing. It's the price we pay for a society in which gun owners are able to overthrow a tyrannical government but never will based on past experience.

people attempting to overthrow a tryrannical gov't in this country are 1-0 or 1-1 depending on your thoughts on the civil war.


Actually, you could consider it 2-0. I see the North as overthrowing the tyrannical gov't in the South.
 
2014-01-21 05:34:54 PM  
Instead of resetting the counter, why not just glue the button down? Save everyone the trouble.
 
2014-01-21 05:35:00 PM  
Mr.BobDobalita:
I somewhat see your point, however, but how is this different from any other "very public place"?

I'd venture to guess that the media circus would be much the same if this had happened in a crowded shopping mall or movie theater.  Especially if it happened at a large place of business, and the victim was at work doing his job. Though the university angle has the added factor of (adult) students involved.
 
2014-01-21 05:37:24 PM  

lennavan: Mr.BobDobalita: How do you figure? "How bad gun violence has gotten"? Violent crime as well as murder have LITERALLY been reduced by 50% in the last 20 years. The murder rate is near a historic low.

Why would you choose "the last 20 years?"  Seems like an arbitrary number to select.  The point I was making is we are now desensitized to gun violence.  Here you are, proclaiming how terrific things are, while others are saying a gun shooting is no big deal.  Look how awesome the US is doing!

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You realize you're just supporting my point, right?


Right where the long slide begins in your graph through to today 20 million concealed permits have been issued and 48 states have relaxed their ownership regulations.

And gun crime has fallen 50%.

Do I believe this is what caused gun crime to fall?  No  In fell despite a massively greater availability of firearms.  Ergo, firearm regulation either lax or strict has NO EFFECT ON GUN CRIME.  Therefore, passing tighter gun control regulation is only a hardship to law abiding citizens.

Why is this so hard to understand?
 
2014-01-21 05:43:06 PM  

AngryDragon: lennavan: Mr.BobDobalita: How do you figure? "How bad gun violence has gotten"? Violent crime as well as murder have LITERALLY been reduced by 50% in the last 20 years. The murder rate is near a historic low.

Why would you choose "the last 20 years?"  Seems like an arbitrary number to select.  The point I was making is we are now desensitized to gun violence.  Here you are, proclaiming how terrific things are, while others are saying a gun shooting is no big deal.  Look how awesome the US is doing!

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x695]
You realize you're just supporting my point, right?

Right where the long slide begins in your graph through to today 20 million concealed permits have been issued and 48 states have relaxed their ownership regulations.

And gun crime has fallen 50%.

Do I believe this is what caused gun crime to fall?  No  In fell despite a massively greater availability of firearms.  Ergo, firearm regulation either lax or strict has NO EFFECT ON GUN CRIME.  Therefore, passing tighter gun control regulation is only a hardship to law abiding citizens.

Why is this so hard to understand?


I think you quoted the wrong person.
 
2014-01-21 05:53:45 PM  

HeadLever: Actually, a good number of folks are doing that. If you want to know who, just look at all the folks that disagree with the individualist interpretation of the Heller Decision and instead want this to be a collectivist interpretation.


A "good number", huh?

Sounds legit.

Mr.BobDobalita: refutes some of your points


Unless there's a mathematical proof on the other side of those links which redefines humanity's millenia-old understanding of basic arithmetic, no, they don't.

If you have some alternate, batshiat-crazy interpretation of the data you'd like to put forward, or you have some well-sourced and studied proof that the data itself is wrong, feel free to continue, but the numbers aren't going to change solely because you don't want to hear them.
 
2014-01-21 06:05:47 PM  

AngryDragon: lennavan: Mr.BobDobalita: How do you figure? "How bad gun violence has gotten"? Violent crime as well as murder have LITERALLY been reduced by 50% in the last 20 years. The murder rate is near a historic low.

Why would you choose "the last 20 years?"  Seems like an arbitrary number to select.  The point I was making is we are now desensitized to gun violence.  Here you are, proclaiming how terrific things are, while others are saying a gun shooting is no big deal.  Look how awesome the US is doing!

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x695]
You realize you're just supporting my point, right?

Right where the long slide begins in your graph through to today 20 million concealed permits have been issued and 48 states have relaxed their ownership regulations.

And gun crime has fallen 50%.

Do I believe this is what caused gun crime to fall?  No  In fell despite a massively greater availability of firearms.  Ergo, firearm regulation either lax or strict has NO EFFECT ON GUN CRIME.  Therefore, passing tighter gun control regulation is only a hardship to law abiding citizens.

Why is this so hard to understand?


To a large extent, it fell because a lot of poor urban kids were aborted.  And the ones that were born didn't have pollution from leaded gasoline and paint chips, which totally screw up the brain - especially impulse control.
 
2014-01-21 06:27:20 PM  
back to the Purdue shooting...  identify the shooter as Cody Cousins 23, EE major and the victim as Andrew Boldt from Wisconsin (the TA).

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2014/01/21/1-in-custody-following -p urdue-shooting/4720301/
 
2014-01-21 07:07:09 PM  

Dimensio: Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.


lol what?  Somebody seriously wronged me a long time ago, completely farked my life over.  I very seriously considered murdering them... and while a firearm would have made it easy, I determined that hitting them with a taser, handcuffing them, and putting a plastic bag over their head, and then disposing of the body was a much cleaner way of going about it.

Guns dont kill people.  People kill people.
 
2014-01-21 07:15:17 PM  
This is definitely the worst Purdue thread on Fark.  Why did Robbie Hummel have to tear that ACL again?

/also sad Boiler.
 
2014-01-21 07:29:00 PM  

skozlaw: A "good number", huh?

Sounds legit.


as opposed to "pretty much nobody"?

At least I explained who would be included in my numbers, which directly refutes your assertion.
 
2014-01-21 07:39:13 PM  
I can't believe we live in in a society where even chickens are expected to acquire a bachelors to "graduate".
 
2014-01-21 07:40:47 PM  
This is why we need gun control...and more guns...also abortion.
 
2014-01-21 08:05:24 PM  

lennavan: Mr.BobDobalita: How do you figure? "How bad gun violence has gotten"? Violent crime as well as murder have LITERALLY been reduced by 50% in the last 20 years. The murder rate is near a historic low.

Why would you choose "the last 20 years?"  Seems like an arbitrary number to select.  The point I was making is we are now desensitized to gun violence.  Here you are, proclaiming how terrific things are, while others are saying a gun shooting is no big deal.  Look how awesome the US is doing!

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x695]
You realize you're just supporting my point, right?


Speaking of arbitrary, your graph there excludes such peaceful places as Mexico, the entire middle east, South America,most of asia, and all of Africa.  Quit cherry-picking your data.

Here's one from the same guy who claims he discounted some countries "on the ground of useful comparison"

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2014-01-21 08:07:43 PM  

haws83: Speaking of arbitrary, your graph there excludes such peaceful places as Mexico


Excluding Mexico because there is a huge war with the drug cartels there that would skew the data is hardly arbitrary.
 
2014-01-21 08:12:09 PM  

lennavan: haws83: Speaking of arbitrary, your graph there excludes such peaceful places as Mexico

Excluding Mexico because there is a huge war with the drug cartels there that would skew the data is hardly arbitrary.


You mean you want to discount violent nations from a discussion of violent nations?

Shall we take out all drug-related assaults out of the US statistic and see where we rank?
 
zeg
2014-01-21 10:59:28 PM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: Mr.BobDobalita:
I somewhat see your point, however, but how is this different from any other "very public place"?

I'd venture to guess that the media circus would be much the same if this had happened in a crowded shopping mall or movie theater.  Especially if it happened at a large place of business, and the victim was at work doing his job. Though the university angle has the added factor of (adult) students involved.


Bear in mind also that it took a couple hours before any significant details were confirmed. For a significant part of the time between the event (noon) and the press conference (2:30pm), various rumors about additional shooters were floating around without much to differentiate them from the reports that turned out to be true.

Perhaps the national news outlets could have held off on reporting until the story was known, but nobody wants to be late to the game if it turns out to be a major headline. As a local (my office is two buildings over, connected by tunnels) who was watching the littlest one at home when this unfolded, I was grateful that the local news outlets provided some real-time coverage. (Especially because, aside from their text-message alerts, Purdue did a pretty poor job making information available---their website didn't mention the event until about 20 minutes after the text alert went out, and the page they linked to was non-responsive for another hour after that.)
 
2014-01-22 12:04:06 AM  
zeg:
Bear in mind also that it took a couple hours before any significant details were confirmed. For a significant part of the time between the event (noon) and the press conference (2:30pm), various rumors about additional shooters were floating around without much to differentiate them from the reports that turned out to be true.

Perhaps the national news outlets could have held off on reporting until the story was known, but nobody wants to be late to the game if it turns out to be a major headline. As a local (my office is two buildings over, connected by tunnels) who was watching the littlest one at home when this unfolded, I was grateful that the local news outlets provided some real-time coverage. (Especially because, aside from their text-message alerts, Purdue did a pretty poor job making information available---their website didn't mention the event until about 20 minutes after the text alert went out, and the page they linked to was non-responsive for another hour after that.)


I don't know what the press is supposed to do when you have a campus SMS go out at 12:15, and the twitsphere and facepalm all abuzz by 12:20.  What would you do?  Ignore it all and wait two hours for the press conference, or try to be a voice of sanity and known facts in a sea of social media rumors and chaos?  Everyone is going to flip on the TV to see what the hell is going on.  Kudos to channel 6 for having SOMETHING on the air.
 
zeg
2014-01-22 07:10:55 AM  
TeaEarlGreyHot:
I don't know what the press is supposed to do when you have a campus SMS go out at 12:15, and the twitsphere and facepalm all abuzz by 12:20.  What would you do?  Ignore it all and wait two hours for the press conference, or try to be a voice of sanity and known facts in a sea of social media rumors and chaos?  Everyone is going to flip on the TV to see what the hell is going on.  Kudos to channel 6 for having SOMETHING on the air.

Exactly.
 
2014-01-22 08:27:46 AM  
While we all argue about gun control and gun laws, let's continue to ignore mental illness and the stigmatization of seeking help for mental illness in the United States.  Mentally stable people don't kill other people, regardless of the weapon of choice.

The gun control debate may have a place, but I believe that open discussion about mental illness and lack of constructive conflict resolution skills are a much larger issue and they absolutely apply in situations like this.
 
2014-01-22 08:53:07 AM  
Aaaaand the shooter is from my neck of the woods.  Springboro HS graduate - that's a suburb on the south edge of Dayton, OH.  Lovely.
 
2014-01-22 09:53:59 AM  

katanakahn: While we all argue about gun control and gun laws, let's continue to ignore mental illness and the stigmatization of seeking help for mental illness in the United States.  Mentally stable people don't kill other people, regardless of the weapon of choice.


First of all, anyone is prone to a crime of passion, which this probably was, just as anyone is prone to suicide.  This issues are sociological as much as they are psychological.  I doubt that more violence happens in densely populated areas because there are more mentally ill people in those areas.  What we most likely have here is a young man who acted before checking himself and talking to someone about whatever his problem was.  Purdue could have all the conflict resolution and counselling resources available in the world, but it's still on Cody Cousins to seek that help.

Second of all, our current level of psychiatric science is, frankly, medieval.  We don't really have a good understanding of the human brain, at least not enough to form a reliable model to predict what people are simply troubled or generally ill (meaning they have some level of distress or difficulty functioning in life), and what people are going to snap and turn violent.

Third, say we do have a reliable model, something that can predict what people are more likely to become violent.  What do we do then?  Take away their rights to privacy and due process?  Put them under constant surveillance?  For something that haven't done, but  might do?  We're treading into Minority Report territory.

Fourth, what if that is our policy?  Screening people who are in danger of being violent, or simply barring anyone diagnosed bipolar, borderline, schizophrenic, or what have you, and keeping tabs on them, or keeping them from owning a weapon?  Don't you think that would give anyone who  does need treatment for mental health issues, so they can function in life, serious pause when considering seeking help?

I think the idea that our mental health treatment infrastructure is the primary problem in gun violence isn't well thought out.  And this coming from someone who is Bipolar I and agrees that our mental health treatment infrastructure sucks.
 
2014-01-22 11:23:36 AM  

lennavan: Mr.BobDobalita: How do you figure? "How bad gun violence has gotten"? Violent crime as well as murder have LITERALLY been reduced by 50% in the last 20 years. The murder rate is near a historic low.

Why would you choose "the last 20 years?"  Seems like an arbitrary number to select.  The point I was making is we are now desensitized to gun violence.  Here you are, proclaiming how terrific things are, while others are saying a gun shooting is no big deal.  Look how awesome the US is doing!

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x695]
You realize you're just supporting my point, right?


What exactly are "assault deaths"?   Note there are countries excluded in order to make the chart more ominous.  Who made this chart?  Seems like someone cooked the books.
 
2014-01-22 11:24:02 AM  

TeaEarlGreyHot: katanakahn: While we all argue about gun control and gun laws, let's continue to ignore mental illness and the stigmatization of seeking help for mental illness in the United States.  Mentally stable people don't kill other people, regardless of the weapon of choice.

First of all, anyone is prone to a crime of passion, which this probably was, just as anyone is prone to suicide.  This issues are sociological as much as they are psychological.  I doubt that more violence happens in densely populated areas because there are more mentally ill people in those areas.  What we most likely have here is a young man who acted before checking himself and talking to someone about whatever his problem was.  Purdue could have all the conflict resolution and counselling resources available in the world, but it's still on Cody Cousins to seek that help.

Second of all, our current level of psychiatric science is, frankly, medieval.  We don't really have a good understanding of the human brain, at least not enough to form a reliable model to predict what people are simply troubled or generally ill (meaning they have some level of distress or difficulty functioning in life), and what people are going to snap and turn violent.

Third, say we do have a reliable model, something that can predict what people are more likely to become violent.  What do we do then?  Take away their rights to privacy and due process?  Put them under constant surveillance?  For something that haven't done, but  might do?  We're treading into Minority Report territory.

Fourth, what if that is our policy?  Screening people who are in danger of being violent, or simply barring anyone diagnosed bipolar, borderline, schizophrenic, or what have you, and keeping tabs on them, or keeping them from owning a weapon?  Don't you think that would give anyone who  does need treatment for mental health issues, so they can function in life, serious pause when considering seeking help?

I think the idea that our mental he ...


Mental health is a wide spectrum, and most people who suffer forms of mental distress are otherwise normal and capable, they just don't have the proper coping mechanisms.  I am not suggesting that we predict behaviors, rather, that we have an opportunity, even a responsibility, to provide better support for all people and stop treating mental illness like something that should put you into an asylum.

I suffer from depression and generalized anxiety disorder.  I take citalopram to help me cope.  I am married, I have three well adjusted children, I work full time and I am also taking 6 credit hours a semester to get my degree, because I was not mature enough to finish it when I was first in college.  It is difficult to admit that publicly, because there is a stigma associated with such treatment.

Part of my studies deal with conflict resolution and mediation.  There are opportunities to integrate conflict resolution processes in our education system, but it is a hard sell.  Social sciences are difficult to quantify effectively, and that makes it hard to convince people of the efficacy of such programs.  This is not the solution, but, I believe that it could be part of a set of solutions.

My point is not about mental health treatment, rather, it's about that fact that more people likely suffer from a form of mental illness than don't, but seeking treatment or admitting the fact is frowned upon and stigmatized.  I am simply advocating a dialogue, a discussion.

In situations like this, gun control is the convenient discussion to have.  Many people love to jump on this bandwagon, and many of those people do not do anything to further their platform at any other time, they simple jump on the opportunity to join the rally cry at times such as this.  Whatever your stance, I'll respect you a lot more if you take an active role.

I would love it if it were truly as simple as making guns illegal to own.  I'm just positive that it wouldn't make this issue go away.  It's deeper than the weapon of choice, that's my point.  We want an answer that prevents something like this from happening because it is illogical and frightening.  There is no simple cure, it is complicated and interrelated.
 
2014-01-22 11:31:46 AM  

haws83: lennavan: haws83: Speaking of arbitrary, your graph there excludes such peaceful places as Mexico

Excluding Mexico because there is a huge war with the drug cartels there that would skew the data is hardly arbitrary.

You mean you want to discount violent nations from a discussion of violent nations?

Shall we take out all drug-related assaults out of the US statistic and see where we rank?


Exactly.   It's pretty well known a very high percentage of gun deaths is drug and gang related.  Lennavan uses the excuse of removing mexico because of their drug cartel war... well guess what, IT SPILLS OVER TO HERE TOO.  Many people say the cartels are a direct reason there's so much murder in Chicago currently as they try to take over with their people and use it as a hub for distribution.  They're killing a lot of the existing dealers and what not to replace them with their own.

Some say if you took out gang and drug related murders, the total would be reduced 75%.  So how about since it's ok to remove mexico wholly because of their "drug war" let's do the same with the US statistics.

Also, as the videos I showed talked about, most of the violence in teh US comes out of the big cities.  Lumping the rest of the country with that and calling the whole country violent is less than honest.
 
2014-01-22 11:53:15 AM  

Mr.BobDobalita: haws83: lennavan: haws83: Speaking of arbitrary, your graph there excludes such peaceful places as Mexico

Excluding Mexico because there is a huge war with the drug cartels there that would skew the data is hardly arbitrary.

You mean you want to discount violent nations from a discussion of violent nations?

Shall we take out all drug-related assaults out of the US statistic and see where we rank?

Exactly.   It's pretty well known a very high percentage of gun deaths is drug and gang related.  Lennavan uses the excuse of removing mexico because of their drug cartel war... well guess what, IT SPILLS OVER TO HERE TOO.  Many people say the cartels are a direct reason there's so much murder in Chicago currently as they try to take over with their people and use it as a hub for distribution.  They're killing a lot of the existing dealers and what not to replace them with their own.

Some say if you took out gang and drug related murders, the total would be reduced 75%.  So how about since it's ok to remove mexico wholly because of their "drug war" let's do the same with the US statistics.

Also, as the videos I showed talked about, most of the violence in teh US comes out of the big cities.  Lumping the rest of the country with that and calling the whole country violent is less than honest.



Remember how this discussion began?  You arbitrarily chose 20 years as your metric.  When I posted a graph that showed more than 20 years, rather than explain why you chose 20 years, you showed everyone your bright shiny new red herring.

I get it, you're terrified someone is going to take your guns away and you'll be left crying in the corner, all alone and that's why we can't have an adult conversation.  I'll let you two cuddle each other.
 
2014-01-22 12:15:20 PM  
katanakahn: My point is not about mental health treatment, rather, it's about that fact that more people likely suffer from a form of mental illness than don't, but seeking treatment or admitting the fact is frowned upon and stigmatized.  I am simply advocating a dialogue, a discussion.

In situations like this, gun control is the convenient discussion to have.  Many people love to jump on this bandwagon, and many of those people do not do anything to further their platform at any other time, they simple jump on the opportunity to join the rally cry at times such as this.  Whatever your stance, I'll respect you a lot more if you take an active role.

I would love it if it were truly as simple as making guns illegal to own.  I'm just positive that it wouldn't make this issue go away.  It's deeper than the weapon of choice, that's my point.  We want an answer that prevents something like this from happening because it is illogical and frightening.  There is no simple cure, it is complicated and interrelated.


All very valid points, and I agree.  As someone with Bipolar, I think where it ruffles my feathers is where people start talking about mental health being the root of our violence problems, with the implication that if we just "screen out" all the mentally ill, we'll somehow "crack down" on all these "crazy people with guns."  I'm not implying that that's what you're saying, but that's the implication of a lot of the discourse.

And you can have counseling services available, support for those in distress, conflict mediation, and any number of services, as well as the removal of stigma, but the onus is still on those in crisis to seek help.
 
2014-01-22 12:33:32 PM  
TeaEarlGreyHot:

All very valid points, and I agree.  As someone with Bipolar, I think where it ruffles my feathers is where people start talking about mental health being the root of our violence problems, with the implication that if we just "screen out" all the mentally ill, we'll somehow "crack down" on all these "crazy people with guns."  I'm not implying that that's what you're saying, but that's the implication of a lot of the discourse.

And you can have counseling services available, support for those in distress, conflict mediation, and any number of services, as well as the removal of stigma, but the onus is still on those in crisis to seek help.


I agree.  I do also believe that some do not seek help simply because of the stigma and lack of open discussion.  That, and treatment options are indeed still immature.  Kind of a catch 22, the more people who seek treatment, the more money will be put into making them better, the better the treatment, the more people who will seek it...

In the end, we're all our own special brand of crazy.
 
2014-01-22 01:11:17 PM  

lennavan: Mr.BobDobalita: haws83: lennavan: haws83: Speaking of arbitrary, your graph there excludes such peaceful places as Mexico

Excluding Mexico because there is a huge war with the drug cartels there that would skew the data is hardly arbitrary.

You mean you want to discount violent nations from a discussion of violent nations?

Shall we take out all drug-related assaults out of the US statistic and see where we rank?

Exactly.   It's pretty well known a very high percentage of gun deaths is drug and gang related.  Lennavan uses the excuse of removing mexico because of their drug cartel war... well guess what, IT SPILLS OVER TO HERE TOO.  Many people say the cartels are a direct reason there's so much murder in Chicago currently as they try to take over with their people and use it as a hub for distribution.  They're killing a lot of the existing dealers and what not to replace them with their own.

Some say if you took out gang and drug related murders, the total would be reduced 75%.  So how about since it's ok to remove mexico wholly because of their "drug war" let's do the same with the US statistics.

Also, as the videos I showed talked about, most of the violence in teh US comes out of the big cities.  Lumping the rest of the country with that and calling the whole country violent is less than honest.

Remember how this discussion began?  You arbitrarily chose 20 years as your metric.  When I posted a graph that showed more than 20 years, rather than explain why you chose 20 years, you showed everyone your bright shiny new red herring.

I get it, you're terrified someone is going to take your guns away and you'll be left crying in the corner, all alone and that's why we can't have an adult conversation.  I'll let you two cuddle each other.


I didn't arbitrarily choose 20 years....  the dude in the video I posted did... guess you didn't watch it.

And we already talked about your graph... and how it purposely excludes info...   and how it also doesn't define what "assault deaths" is.  

The last time the number of murders that took place in 2011 was matched, was in 1969 when we had 110 million less people in the US.  So we've got the same number of murders ~14,500 and 110 million more people...  but people like you want to trumpet like there's some sort of violent crime wave.

You're just wrong.  

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm 

Also, then you have to resort to name calling and personal attacks to boot.  I'm certainly not terrified.  Crime is down.  However, crime IS REAL... and I don't fancy being beat by 4 guys with crow bars, which actually happened to me.  Also, now that I have small children, it is my RESPONSIBILITY to be able to protect them from such random attacks and violence.  Am I terrified and paranoid that it will happen?  Of course not.  Do I admit it's a possibility and know such first hand?  Yep.  Therefore, I've taken precautions to attempt to ensure I can better defend myself and my loved ones in the future.  

Looks like I win.
 
2014-01-22 01:18:09 PM  
katanakahn:
I agree.  I do also believe that some do not seek help simply because of the stigma and lack of open discussion.  That, and treatment options are indeed still immature.  Kind of a catch 22, the more people who seek treatment, the more money will be put into making them better, the better the treatment, the more people who will seek it...

Nearly everyone has a support system around them of some sort.  Friends, roommates, colleagues, clergy if they're religious.  He didn't necessarily need to go to a counseling center.  Simply going to someone he trusts and talking things through, before they escalated in his mind to the point of no return, could have prevented this.
 
2014-01-22 01:23:55 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: I didn't arbitrarily choose 20 years.... the dude in the video I posted did


Oh well then I guess that makes it okay.

Mr.BobDobalita: And we already talked about your graph... and how it purposely excludes info


On the contrary, we were comparing different years in just the United States.  My graph does not exclude any information for that argument, it includes extraneous information (other countries).

Mr.BobDobalita: The last time the number of murders that took place in 2011 was matched, was in 1969 when we had 110 million less people in the US. So we've got the same number of murders ~14,500 and 110 million more people


My graph is per 100k people.  Do you know what a rate is?

Mr.BobDobalita: Also, now that I have small children, it is my RESPONSIBILITY to be able to protect them from such random attacks and violence. Am I terrified and paranoid that it will happen? Of course not. Do I admit it's a possibility and know such first hand? Yep. Therefore, I've taken precautions to attempt to ensure I can better defend myself and my loved ones in the future.


Well, if you own a gun, your kids are more likely to die by a firearm than if you got rid of it.
 
2014-01-22 03:40:04 PM  
lennavan:

Oh well then I guess that makes it okay.

It doesn't change my point that violent crime in the US is waaaaaaay down.  So what's your point?


On the contrary, we were comparing different years in just the United States.  My graph does not exclude any information for that argument, it includes extraneous information (other countries).

Your graph is unsourced and as valid as a crayon drawing done by a 2nd grader.  It admits it purposely omitted information.

My graph is per 100k people.  Do you know what a rate is?

Of course.  And do you see that per-capita, our rate has gone DOWN since 1964?  You remember the 50s and 60s.. yeah, those are the times when everyone thinks of how violent the united states was....

You also fail to address the information in the video showing the US isn't as violent as all the haters like you say.  UK, the holy grail for anti-gunners is nearly 4x more violent than the US in terms of rape/assault/robbery/etc.



Well, if you own a gun, your kids are more likely to die by a firearm than if you got rid of it.

Poppy cock.   Anti-gun make believe, unsourced, complete and utter bull crap.   We'll require a citation on that on...and not from Motherjones or other hysteria manufacturer.
 
2014-01-22 05:50:31 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: lennavan:

Oh well then I guess that makes it okay.

It doesn't change my point that violent crime in the US is waaaaaaay down.  So what's your point?


On the contrary, we were comparing different years in just the United States.  My graph does not exclude any information for that argument, it includes extraneous information (other countries).

Your graph is unsourced and as valid as a crayon drawing done by a 2nd grader.  It admits it purposely omitted information.

My graph is per 100k people.  Do you know what a rate is?

Of course.  And do you see that per-capita, our rate has gone DOWN since 1964?  You remember the 50s and 60s.. yeah, those are the times when everyone thinks of how violent the united states was....

You also fail to address the information in the video showing the US isn't as violent as all the haters like you say.  UK, the holy grail for anti-gunners is nearly 4x more violent than the US in terms of rape/assault/robbery/etc.


Well, if you own a gun, your kids are more likely to die by a firearm than if you got rid of it.

Poppy cock.   Anti-gun make believe, unsourced, complete and utter bull crap.   We'll require a citation on that on...and not from Motherjones or other hysteria manufacturer.


They don't want to hear it. They WANT people to die to push their agenda.
 
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