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2014-01-21 02:54:29 PM
The obligatory "our thoughts and prayers go out to ..." posts are already on Facebook.
 
2014-01-21 02:57:27 PM

beerrun: Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?

Cary Quad resident in 1982-83, West Unit 3rd floor.

Are they still running the nude olympics? It should be getting close with all this cold weather.


I ran once way back, when I lived in Owen. Still have the t-shirt.
 
2014-01-21 02:57:38 PM
Sounds like a targeted deal on a Prof or TA? Revenge for a grade or comment, etc? Crazytown regardless, thoughts are with current Boilers from this alum... what a sucky day.
 
2014-01-21 02:58:38 PM

Pichu0102: AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section.   Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days.  This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?   Oh, that's right.  This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out.  There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings.  If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.


Gun control is not the answer.
 
2014-01-21 02:59:36 PM

AngryDragon: Pichu0102: AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section.   Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days.  This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?   Oh, that's right.  This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out.  There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings.  If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.

Gun control is not the answer.


You are right. Gun elimination is.

/ducks
 
2014-01-21 03:01:00 PM

AngryDragon: Pichu0102: AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section.   Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days.  This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?   Oh, that's right.  This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out.  There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings.  If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.

Gun control is not the answer.


Yep, thats exactly what fox news has programmed you to believe.
 
2014-01-21 03:01:31 PM
GoldSpider


Is every shooting now worthy of the national spotlight?

work949.files.wordpress.com
Never let a crisis go to waste.

//at least that's what his teleprompter said.
 
2014-01-21 03:01:52 PM
Maybe he was an ME (Mechanical Engineer) and wanted to let those A-HOLES in the EE building see what his final project prototype could do.


/Resets the public shooting counter
 
2014-01-21 03:03:53 PM

ABQGOD: The obligatory "our thoughts and prayers go out to ..." posts are already on Facebook.


Personally, I am shocked and saddened by these developments ...
 
2014-01-21 03:05:22 PM
@piersmorgan Shootings at Widener University, Pennsylvania and Purdue University, Indiana in last 24hrs are 34th & 35th school shootings since Newtown.
 
2014-01-21 03:08:43 PM
OnlyM3:
Never let a crisis go to waste.

//at least that's what his teleprompter said.

(favorite: Still making teleprompter jokes)
 
2014-01-21 03:09:48 PM

AngryDragon: The hypocrisy is sickening.


AngryDragon: Gun control is not the answer.


So, basically, you're pissed that our lax gun laws and underfunded, understaffed enforcement allow every two-bit gangbanger in the hood and halfwit inbred in the trailer park to get hold of a gun, but you're opposed to tightening up gun laws or properly funding and staffing enforcement measures to better ensure that the two-bits and halfwits don't have as much of a chance to shoot people..... which makes everybody else a hypocrite?

Why do you even post? Just to see how wrong you can be about everything?
 
2014-01-21 03:10:17 PM
Where's that retarded Tom Tomorrow comic?
 
2014-01-21 03:10:52 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-21 03:14:26 PM

Molavian: Where's that retarded Tom Tomorrow comic?


Hey, I haven't seen that in a while.

Wait until the post lunch rush and some morally indignant farker will post it.
 
2014-01-21 03:20:32 PM

AngryDragon: Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them?  Where's the outrage and calls for action?  Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes?


Cause drug deals gone bad, someone sleeping with the wrong woman, and bangers banging the bang bang are not reasons to march on washington
 
2014-01-21 03:20:52 PM

super_grass: Molavian: Where's that retarded Tom Tomorrow comic?

Hey, I haven't seen that in a while.

Wait until the post lunch rush and some morally indignant farker will post it.


You poor delicate flowers.
 
2014-01-21 03:23:17 PM
Not really going to get into the whole gun debate, but here's the thing:

We live in a free and open society.  You can pass stricter gun laws.  You can check backgrounds, register, license people, whatever.  Someone wants to kill someone else, they're going to find a way to get a hold of a firearm, with enough determination.  There's no guarantee of safety, unless you want to live on permanent lockdown.

And I consider a society in which the government and law enforcement has firearms, and citizens can't have them, to be a society on permanent lockdown.

All accounts so far indicate this was the murder of an individual, not a nutjob mass shooting.  Murders aren't peculiar to the United States, but because this happened on a college campus in a building full of undergrads, it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."
 
2014-01-21 03:29:36 PM
Back when I TA'ed an ECE class at Illinois, the students reacted to bad grades the old fashioned way-- by harrassing the professor until he overrode my grades.  The world's changed so much in 10 years.

On a more serious  note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this.  I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.
 
2014-01-21 03:33:00 PM

TeaEarlGreyHot: There's no guarantee of safety


Nobody believes otherwise.

TeaEarlGreyHot: ...citizens can't have [guns]...


Good thing pretty much nobody is trying to do that, huh?

TeaEarlGreyHot: ...it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."


That's because it is one. That's how datasets work. It's a shooting at a school, therefore it's a school shooting. If you want to differentiate between mass and singular killings, that's an extra, separate criteria.

TeaEarlGreyHot: Murders aren't peculiar to the United States...


Murders in the U.S. are double the average for OECD countries and murder by firearms is behind only Mexico - you know, that country currently involved in a long-waged drug war between the military and multiple massive cartels - as far as OECD countries go.

Murder isn't just "not peculiar" in the U.S. We're world leaders in murders and gun violence when it comes to developed nations. Those actual, hard numbers are part of the reason some of us tend to think maybe there's a bit more we could do to curb the problem without unduly restricting anybody's rights.

But, alas, gun ownership is the one and only right in the U.S. that apparently is absolute, so here we are and here we'll stay.

Yee-frickin-haw.
 
2014-01-21 03:33:36 PM

balki1867: Back when I TA'ed an ECE class at Illinois, the students reacted to bad grades the old fashioned way-- by harrassing the professor until he overrode my grades.  The world's changed so much in 10 years.

On a more serious  note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this.  I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.


Let's be thankful that
a) the shooter just killed one person
b) he didn't shoot himself afterwards

If any murder can be called 'sane', this qualifies.
 
2014-01-21 03:39:16 PM

nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?


Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

 Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.
 
2014-01-21 03:39:58 PM
balki1867:
On a more serious  note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this.  I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.

(Same disclaimer of not knowing what happened.) Crimes of passion, people failing to check themselves, this is nothing new.  It's been going on since the first farmer got jealous of the first herder.  And how many people kill themselves rather than seeking help for their problems?  It is totally senseless, but the world hasn't changed.  The difference today is the media orgasm that results.
 
2014-01-21 03:43:59 PM
I certainly wanted to shoot my RA at the Quad.

'81-'82 3rd floor SW
 
2014-01-21 03:44:09 PM
Disgruntled Goat:
Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

 Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.


This.
 
2014-01-21 03:44:24 PM

TeaEarlGreyHot: Not really going to get into the whole gun debate, but here's the thing:

We live in a free and open society.  You can pass stricter gun laws.  You can check backgrounds, register, license people, whatever.  Someone wants to kill someone else, they're going to find a way to get a hold of a firearm, with enough determination.  There's no guarantee of safety, unless you want to live on permanent lockdown.

And I consider a society in which the government and law enforcement has firearms, and citizens can't have them, to be a society on permanent lockdown.

All accounts so far indicate this was the murder of an individual, not a nutjob mass shooting.  Murders aren't peculiar to the United States, but because this happened on a college campus in a building full of undergrads, it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."


Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.
 
2014-01-21 03:46:51 PM

beerrun: Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore.  Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh.  Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?

Cary Quad resident in 1982-83, West Unit 3rd floor.

Are they still running the nude olympics? It should be getting close with all this cold weather.


Was that a floor above the Sterile Ward, or was that in NW?
 
2014-01-21 03:46:56 PM

Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?


Call your buddy and tell us?
 
2014-01-21 03:47:47 PM

skozlaw: Good thing pretty much nobody is trying to do that, huh?


Actually, a good number of folks are doing that. If you want to know who, just look at all the folks that disagree with the individualist interpretation of the Heller Decision and instead want this to be a collectivist interpretation.
 
2014-01-21 03:48:18 PM
So does that mean the victim's roommate gets A's for the rest of the semester or life?
 
2014-01-21 03:48:19 PM

Dimensio: Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm.


Weak troll is weak... 1.5/10
 
2014-01-21 03:48:47 PM

TeaEarlGreyHot: (Same disclaimer of not knowing what happened.) Crimes of passion, people failing to check themselves, this is nothing new.  It's been going on since the first farmer got jealous of the first herder.  And how many people kill themselves rather than seeking help for their problems?  It is totally senseless, but the world hasn't changed.  The difference today is the media orgasm that results.


For the record-- I totally agree.  It's just really unfortunate every time.
 
2014-01-21 03:49:19 PM

Disgruntled Goat: nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?

Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

 Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.


This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten.  A kid murders someone at a public University and it's so commonplace it should only make the local news.
 
2014-01-21 03:52:41 PM

devilEther: s2s2s2: Why is it that shootings in no gun zones get the most coverage?

Because a shooting in a gun zone is about as newsworthy as rain in the rain forest.


We both know what this is really about.

You want me to have an abortion.
 
2014-01-21 03:54:18 PM

Pangea: Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?

Call your buddy and tell us?


I saw your response above. Glad he's OK.
 
2014-01-21 03:56:51 PM

Somacandra: devilEther: s2s2s2: Why is it that shootings in no gun zones get the most coverage?

Because a shooting in a gun zone is about as newsworthy as rain in the rain forest.

We both know what this is really about.

You want me to have an abortion.


Not only that, a taxpayer-funded gay islamo-marxist abortion during a Justin Beiber concert
 
2014-01-21 03:57:07 PM

lennavan: Disgruntled Goat: nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing?  This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?

Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

 Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.

This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten.  A kid murders someone at a public University and it's so commonplace it should only make the local news.


Why is murder at a university more warranting of national media attention that a murder at a grocery store? Or a park? They're public places, too.
Murders happen in this country every single day. It is reality, and always has been in my lifetime.
Had this not been picked up and gone national (for no reason other than the university location), would you have known or cared? No.
Should every single murder be broadcast on the national news, CNN etc.?
 
2014-01-21 03:58:57 PM

Disgruntled Goat: Murders happen in this country every single day. It is reality, and always has been in my lifetime.


You're right, we should just get used to it.
 
2014-01-21 03:59:29 PM

Disgruntled Goat: if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution


Generally most of the people at educational institutions are younger or outright kids. When you hear about bad stuff happening as you send your kids off to school each day, its hard. You want to protect them in every way possible, and you think "what if it happened here?" When Newtown happened a lot of parents, myself included, were very anxious to see our kids that day. And what of the employees?  My father is a substitute teacher in OK---at a school where a kid came into the school and blew his own head off. You damn bet I was pretty interested in finding out if he was ok, especially in the early phase when we didn't know that others were ok. Luckily he wasn't working that day. Yes, its perfectly natural and reasonable for parents to freak out about guns and schools.
 
2014-01-21 03:59:31 PM

Somacandra: devilEther: s2s2s2: Why is it that shootings in no gun zones get the most coverage?

Because a shooting in a gun zone is about as newsworthy as rain in the rain forest.

We both know what this is really about.

You want me to have an abortion.


It really is the only sensible thing to do - if it's done safely, of course.
 
2014-01-21 04:00:00 PM

Dimensio: TeaEarlGreyHot:
Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.


Are you a troll?

Like I said, I'm not going to debate whether sensible gun regulation is a good idea or not.  I don't really feel the need to carry around deadly weapons, so in all honesty, I don't care all that much.  Gun nuts that I've met in person tend to be paranoid, insecure people who believe that they are in perpetual danger of being jumped by gangs of minorities, or targeted by the government.  I don't lump myself in with that sort.

That said, (assuming you're actually serious and not a troll) this homicide could easily have occurred had the nation passed sensible firearms regulations.  He could borrow or steal a gun from a friend.  There will always be a black market.  He could go through legit channels to get a weapon.  Who's to stop him if he's never, ever killed anyone before?  People are fooling themselves if they think they can simply regulate away danger, and that's the notion I find troubling.

Targeted homicides committed without firearms?  I'm lazy, so
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=stabb ed &oq=stabbed

You'll have to read the individual stories to see which ones are "targeted" and which ones are "random."
 
2014-01-21 04:00:00 PM

lennavan: This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten.


I'll bite...since 1991 guns have contributed a pretty steady 66-70% of a steadily decreasing overall murder count in the US.  That means that for the past 23 years, if you were murdered, the odds have been the same for whether it was with a gun or not.  Overall fewer people have been murdered, which means fewer people per year have been murdered with guns each year for the past 23 years on average (trend line).

Gun violence isn't getting worse, media spotlighting and the 24 hour news cycle is desensitizing us.
 
2014-01-21 04:05:25 PM

morgen_benner: Gun violence isn't getting worse, media spotlighting and the 24 hour news cycle is desensitizing us.


So, shouldn't that mean the perception is that gun violence isn't getting worse?  Oh, wait, that is your position.  You are desensitized.
 
2014-01-21 04:05:39 PM

Somacandra: Disgruntled Goat: if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution

Generally most of the people at educational institutions are younger or outright kids. When you hear about bad stuff happening as you send your kids off to school each day, its hard. You want to protect them in every way possible, and you think "what if it happened here?" When Newtown happened a lot of parents, myself included, were very anxious to see our kids that day. And what of the employees?  My father is a substitute teacher in OK---at a school where a kid came into the school and blew his own head off. You damn bet I was pretty interested in finding out if he was ok, especially in the early phase when we didn't know that others were ok. Luckily he wasn't working that day. Yes, its perfectly natural and reasonable for parents to freak out about guns and schools.


It was a UNIVERSITY.

And stop living your life in abject terror of what might, COULD, maybe, POSSIBLY happen.
 
2014-01-21 04:06:34 PM

morgen_benner: guns have contributed a pretty steady 66-70% of a steadily decreasing overall murder count in the US


Right, guns account for 2/3 and non-guns account for 1/3.  How would you summarize the comparison of 2/3 versus 1/3?

morgen_benner: if you were murdered, the odds have been the same for whether it was with a gun or not


Ah okay.  So if I may summarize your argument:

morgen_benner: Guns are okay because 66% = 33%.

Makes sense.
 
2014-01-21 04:08:48 PM

lennavan: morgen_benner: guns have contributed a pretty steady 66-70% of a steadily decreasing overall murder count in the US

Right, guns account for 2/3 and non-guns account for 1/3.  How would you summarize the comparison of 2/3 versus 1/3?

morgen_benner: if you were murdered, the odds have been the same for whether it was with a gun or not

Ah okay.  So if I may summarize your argument:

morgen_benner: Guns are okay because 66% = 33%.

Makes sense.


No, the odds have been 66 to 70% every year for the past 23 years. The same each year.
 
2014-01-21 04:10:57 PM

trappedspirit: morgen_benner: Gun violence isn't getting worse, media spotlighting and the 24 hour news cycle is desensitizing us.

So, shouldn't that mean the perception is that gun violence isn't getting worse?  Oh, wait, that is your position.  You are desensitized.


I might be desensitized, but that doesn't change the numbers.  The population goes up, overall murders go down, murders with guns go down...that means whether anyone wants to admit it or not, gun violence is NOT getting worse.
 
2014-01-21 04:12:23 PM
The investigation at the suspect's house has apparently escalated a bit. Local newspaper just sent an alert that they'd called in the bomb squad.
 
2014-01-21 04:12:26 PM

Pangea: Voiceofreason01: I've got a buddy who works at Purdue. Any real info on what happened yet?

Call your buddy and tell us?


He's not on campus today. He doesn't know anything more than what's on the news.
 
2014-01-21 04:27:30 PM
It's too soon, right?
 
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