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(Politico)   Former House Rep Patrick Kennedy takes issue with Obama's stance on pot saying that the weed of today is much better than the schwag he used to sell to Spaulding Smails   (politico.com) divider line 78
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2014-01-21 11:12:11 AM  
So he's jealous?
 
2014-01-21 11:13:20 AM  
It was good stuff. He got it from a Negro. You're probably high already and you don't even know it.
 
2014-01-21 11:15:27 AM  
It was the best, man!
 
2014-01-21 12:18:30 PM  
patrick kennedy is a negro?
 
2014-01-21 12:27:26 PM  
Oh yeah ya gotta watch out for the high THC stuff. You might OD on it and take a nap.
 
2014-01-21 12:39:30 PM  
The country is swimming in pot, and he thinks legalizing it will do more harm than good?  Keeping it illegal is the best way to ensure it's being sold to school children.
 
2014-01-21 12:43:28 PM  
Well, you need an old timey name like Kennedy to be shilling against cannabis it seems to go right with the reefer madness talk.
 
2014-01-21 12:53:50 PM  
So what if it's better than when Obama had it? If it was sold legally, it could be regulated and you could even put some kind of Percent THC label on it like you do alcohol now, and then all the little kiddies can avoid the really strong stuff until they grow up and can handle it. Or just give it to me, I'm perfectly happy with my concentrates and high percentage THC plants.
 
2014-01-21 01:26:35 PM  
I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.
 
2014-01-21 01:27:12 PM  
I truly do wonder if the farker actually believes this crap or if he is just knowingly lying.

Well, as Hill said, "What difference does it make?"
He is a tool.
 
2014-01-21 01:28:51 PM  

EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.


Word used to be that consuming alcohol and pot were like urinating upstream.
And caffeine is addictive.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:19 PM  

EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.


You don't have to just smoke it anymore. You can eat it in baked goods or vaporize it in an e-cigarette.
 
2014-01-21 01:34:10 PM  

snocone: Word used to be that consuming alcohol and pot were like urinating upstream.


What does that mean?

I have a good friend who was drunk and high through most of his college experience.
 
2014-01-21 01:34:31 PM  

EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.


Smoking pot is considerably safer for you than getting in your car and driving anywhere stone-cold sober. And what with fancy new vaporizers any possible bad effects of smoking have been eliminated. Smoking anything indoors (the old-fashioned way) is just bad manners unless you are all partaking.
 
2014-01-21 01:34:43 PM  

Ambivalence: EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.

You don't have to just smoke it anymore. You can eat it in baked goods or vaporize it in an e-cigarette.


So we have that going for us, which is nice.
 
2014-01-21 01:35:39 PM  

EvilEgg: snocone: Word used to be that consuming alcohol and pot were like urinating upstream.

What does that mean?

I have a good friend who was drunk and high through most of his college experience.


You weren't there, Man, you can't know.
 
2014-01-21 01:39:25 PM  

EvilEgg: snocone: Word used to be that consuming alcohol and pot were like urinating upstream.

What does that mean?

I have a good friend who was drunk and high through most of his college experience.


Some folks can handle it but many of us prefer not to mix the two because it makes the room spin alarmingly. FWIW when I was in my 20s I could drink tequila and smoke pot with no ill effects but not anymore.

Enjoy it while you can kids.
 
2014-01-21 01:44:09 PM  

quickdraw: EvilEgg: snocone: Word used to be that consuming alcohol and pot were like urinating upstream.

What does that mean?

I have a good friend who was drunk and high through most of his college experience.

Some folks can handle it but many of us prefer not to mix the two because it makes the room spin alarmingly. FWIW when I was in my 20s I could drink tequila and smoke pot with no ill effects but not anymore.

Enjoy it while you can kids.


Yea, I also used to be a bulletproof cowboy, in my youth.
Now, just another old lesbian.
 
2014-01-21 01:45:48 PM  
"Hey if it's oregano man, you can use it in your soup"
 
2014-01-21 01:46:49 PM  
So what if it is better?  That's just the brilliance of American innovators who struggled in a heavily regulated (to the point of being illegal) industry to produce a superior product for an affordable price.
 
2014-01-21 01:47:05 PM  

EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.


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2014-01-21 01:49:15 PM  
"I think the president needs to speak to his NIH director in charge of drug abuse," Kennedy said on MSNBC's "Hardball" on Monday night. "[She] would tell the president that, in fact, today's modern, genetically modified marijuana, so it's much higher THC levels, far surpass the marijuana that the president acknowledges smoking when he was a young person."

"He is wrong when he says that it isn't very harmful, because the new marijuana is not the old marijuana," Kennedy said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/patrick-kennedy-president-obama- marijuana-102412.html#ixzz2r3npi6KC


This is an excellent example of how Democrats really aren't the "libbiest libs who ever libbed" like the social conservatives tout.

I can't even relate to the person making this statement and I tend to vote Democratic.
 
2014-01-21 01:49:19 PM  

Nabb1: It was good stuff. He got it from a Negro. You're probably high already and you don't even know it.


Came for this.
 
2014-01-21 01:49:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The country is swimming in pot, and he thinks legalizing it will do more harm than good?  Keeping it illegal is the best way to ensure it's being sold to school children.


Keeping it illegal is also the best way to ensure it's being sold by school children.
 
2014-01-21 01:50:35 PM  

Nabb1: It was good stuff. He got it from a Negro. You're probably high already and you don't even know it.


Dammit!

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2014-01-21 01:50:43 PM  

Mister Buttons: EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.

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Not just for breakfast anymore.
 
2014-01-21 01:51:58 PM  
FTA: "modern, genetically modified marijuana".
Correct me, but I thought this shlub was FOR Monsanto.

OMG/GMO
 
2014-01-21 01:52:49 PM  

ScaryBottles: Nabb1: It was good stuff. He got it from a Negro. You're probably high already and you don't even know it.

Dammit!

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Oh, zhit!
How can you tell?
Is there a test?
 
2014-01-21 01:54:28 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Mister Buttons: EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.

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Not just for breakfast anymore.


It's even easier than that. All I'd have to do is add a shot of vodka or Kahlua to my coffee right now. I am farking flying on some coconut infused something or other. Tastes good in coffee. 8)
 
2014-01-21 01:55:55 PM  
Gee, maybe if it's a regulated substance then there can be some restrictions placed on THC content in commercial products.

If someone is selling stuff that violates regulations, you can do the same you do to moonshiners.

This isn't hard.
 
2014-01-21 01:56:00 PM  

cambie: So what if it's better than when Obama had it? If it was sold legally, it could be regulated and you could even put some kind of Percent THC label on it like you do alcohol now, and then all the little kiddies can avoid the really strong stuff until they grow up and can handle it. Or just give it to me, I'm perfectly happy with my concentrates and high percentage THC plants.


or for those of us who would like a light buzz in the evening on par with a glass or 2 of wine, we could then confidently partake. not everyone who enjoys pot is looking to be baked out of their gourd for the rest of the day/evening same way that a lot of people don't drink to get blotto.
 
2014-01-21 01:57:43 PM  

snocone: I truly do wonder if the farker actually believes this crap or if he is just knowingly lying.

Well, as Hill said, "What difference does it make?"
He is a tool.


I would expect he believes it. There is a century of propaganda from generally legitimate sources behind him.

Hell, in an ideal world I would probably side with them and prefer that marijuana did not exist. But this is the real world and not some fantasy.

As to his comments? Is there really GMO marijuana? I can't see any GMO organization putting out a modified illegal crop. Too little benefit and too much risk.

I assume he was just trying to make it sound scarier than "selective breeding".
 
2014-01-21 01:57:46 PM  
"The people lobbying for a repeal of prohibition don't understand that not all alcohol is beer or wine. Alcohol also includes hard spirits, and those spirits are far more powerful and, therefore, harmful than that glass of champagne you may have enjoyed whilst traveling overseas, I can assure you. Consult with any physician and he will surely tell you the same!"

-- Rep. Titeas O'Tool, 1932

/not a real quote
 
2014-01-21 01:57:58 PM  

GhostFish: Gee, maybe if it's a regulated substance then there can be some restrictions placed on THC content in commercial products.

If someone is selling stuff that violates regulations, you can do the same you do to moonshiners.

This isn't hard.


Hard, no.
Demonstrates lack of understanding of chemical nature of the beast, YES.
 
2014-01-21 01:58:37 PM  

GhostFish: Gee, maybe if it's a regulated substance then there can be some restrictions placed on THC content in commercial products.

If someone is selling stuff that violates regulations, you can do the same you do to moonshiners.

This isn't hard.


Making the mistake of equating something relatively harmless to moonshine? It was a pretty easy for you.
 
2014-01-21 02:00:02 PM  
*sigh*

There has always been good weed. It's just that high quality weed is more readily available

The hybrids of today are good, much more consistent than the weed of old. But there is a demand for old school weed, and not the schwaggy ammonia smelling brick weed. Trust me, we got GOOD weed in the 70's.

This whole business about hydroponic weed being stronger is another myth too
 
2014-01-21 02:00:22 PM  
By this logic we should make alcohol illegal because Everclear exists.

Just because it exists doesn't make it popular. People choose what they drink for a number of reasons, taste, company, how it makes them feel, etc. Same goes for smoking.
 
2014-01-21 02:01:38 PM  
So, is my Labradoodle a GMO bastard?
 
2014-01-21 02:03:09 PM  

whidbey: GhostFish: Gee, maybe if it's a regulated substance then there can be some restrictions placed on THC content in commercial products.

If someone is selling stuff that violates regulations, you can do the same you do to moonshiners.

This isn't hard.

Making the mistake of equating something relatively harmless to moonshine? It was a pretty easy for you.


I didn't equate the substances. I equated the violation of regulations. And how many people making moonshine for personal consumption ever get a visit from the ATF?
 
2014-01-21 02:03:43 PM  
So? I've been an occasional smoker for 35 years (allegedly).

Yeah, the weed is a lot stronger now... why the fark does that matter? Back when we were young, we'd just smoke a shiatload more of it.

Sounds like the same rationale that was used for prohibition when America starting drinking whiskey instead of beer.
 
2014-01-21 02:04:58 PM  
Kennedy is partially right.  When I used that stuff more than 25 years ago an ounce sold for $35 and we would have to smoke a lot of it to get a strong effect.  From what I understand, botanists have refined the plant to the point that people now speak in terms of tenths of a gram for use in a single session.  Also, with vaporizing, people apparently use very tiny quantities and get a very strong effect without exposing themselves to dangerous smoke.  Sounds to me like an entirely new experience with a vastly changed product.

However, it also seems that those who have been in the loop over the last 25 years (unlike me) would adjusted to this evolution.  It isn't likely that today's users would know about or even care that the quality was much lower two and a half decades ago.  The change isn't relevant.

The issue here, in my opinion, is the cartels.  If we are to legalize this stuff, we should ban importation and exportation and require that sources be verified.  Force the international criminal element out of the market.  This is the revolution and this is something I can get behind.  As it stands, pot is widely accessible in every state in which it is still illegal.  In those states, the market is controlled by organized crime, and to a great degree, supplied by international syndicates.  My suggestions are to make the product legal to bring the market into the open and strongly control the supply system to defund the cartels.  Now we are talking about social positives.

I still won't be buying any.
 
2014-01-21 02:08:57 PM  
Every single person I'm very close friends with smokes weed daily.  Several of them smoke weed all day long.  3 of them are very successful business owners (10+ years in business), at least 4 are upper management in fairly large companies, and several are self-employed since the mid-nineties.  Another dozen or so have had full-time jobs at the same place for many years. They all smoke this crazy great super weed Kennedy is talking about yet seem to be able to function very well both professionally and personally.

So fark off out-of-touch child-of-privilege asswipe.
 
2014-01-21 02:09:09 PM  

wheatpennyandaglock: "Hey if it's oregano man, you can use it in your soup"


Hey man, you sold me that chit, it wouldn't get a fly high!
 
2014-01-21 02:11:27 PM  
Cottage Industry
 
2014-01-21 02:13:01 PM  

Aquapope: Every single person I'm very close friends with smokes weed daily.  Several of them smoke weed all day long.  3 of them are very successful business owners (10+ years in business), at least 4 are upper management in fairly large companies, and several are self-employed since the mid-nineties.  Another dozen or so have had full-time jobs at the same place for many years. They all smoke this crazy great super weed Kennedy is talking about yet seem to be able to function very well both professionally and personally.

So fark off out-of-touch child-of-privilege asswipe.


In IRW Science there is this thingie, tolerance.

A very useful word in many applications social and chemical.
 
2014-01-21 02:14:09 PM  
they keep saying this like its a bad thing.  todays legal weed is like the high times centerfold quality shiat and its everywhere.  we only used to dream of getting this high of quality back in high school, now its everywhere.
gone are the days of smoking joint after joint of brick, i take two good rips of modern science weed and i become the couch for two hours.
 
2014-01-21 02:17:36 PM  

EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.



Red Bowl gives you...things
Wow, have you ever looked at your hand?
I really have the munchies right now
 
2014-01-21 02:21:53 PM  
Think of the possibilities.
The Saturday Morning Farmer's Market!
 
2014-01-21 02:46:51 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: "The people lobbying for a repeal of prohibition don't understand that not all alcohol is beer or wine. Alcohol also includes hard spirits, and those spirits are far more powerful and, therefore, harmful than that glass of champagne you may have enjoyed whilst traveling overseas, I can assure you. Consult with any physician and he will surely tell you the same!"

-- Rep. Titeas O'Tool, 1932

Rand Paul

/not a real quote
 
2014-01-21 02:51:32 PM  
I wonder who is paying Patrick Kennedy's salary these days.
 
2014-01-21 03:12:41 PM  

AeAe: I wonder who is paying Patrick Kennedy's salary these days.


Meet the New Boss,
 
2014-01-21 03:16:33 PM  
He's absolutely right.  One time I smoked so much of this new fangled modern weed that I had a lot of snacks and ended up being too tired to watch the movie I was in the middle of so I went to sleep and finished watching the movie the next day.

/To be fair, I was already tired when I started
 
2014-01-21 03:28:13 PM  

Aquapope: Every single person I'm very close friends with smokes weed daily.  Several of them smoke weed all day long.  3 of them are very successful business owners (10+ years in business), at least 4 are upper management in fairly large companies, and several are self-employed since the mid-nineties.  Another dozen or so have had full-time jobs at the same place for many years.


And you spend your day commenting on FARK.  Maybe you should be smoking more stuff like your friends who have jobs during the day.
 
2014-01-21 03:35:42 PM  
I remember back in the old days passing a couple of joints around a group of 4 or 5  people. Today, it would be one joint and it would get put out halfway through.

Whats the BFD?
 
2014-01-21 03:41:55 PM  
The Kennedy's aalways had the good stuff.

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2014-01-21 03:52:23 PM  

GhostFish: whidbey: GhostFish: Gee, maybe if it's a regulated substance then there can be some restrictions placed on THC content in commercial products.

If someone is selling stuff that violates regulations, you can do the same you do to moonshiners.

This isn't hard.

Making the mistake of equating something relatively harmless to moonshine? It was a pretty easy for you.

I didn't equate the substances. I equated the violation of regulations. And how many people making moonshine for personal consumption ever get a visit from the ATF?


No, no dude.

You made a ridiculous comparison.

Own up to it.
 
2014-01-21 04:06:14 PM  
I feel like this whole line of debate is a trap for pro-pot people. Anti-pot people are trying to frame the discussion around the question "is pot dangerous?" Pro-pot people can try to argue that it isn't but there are going to be a range of answers to that question based mostly on personal feeling.

The real issue should center around the question "is what we're doing now working?" and I think it is a lot easier to convince people it is not. Black market weed is freely available, used widely, unregulated, and all of the money spent on it goes to criminals. Even people who would never use it themselves should be able to see that legalization can help quell many of those problems.
 
2014-01-21 04:06:18 PM  
EvilEgg: I am of two minds about the whole pot legalization thing.  On one hand, smoking is obnoxious and bad for you.  On the other hand it would probably be at least as regulated as tobacco, so it's unlikely to bother me much.

Get back to me when they start making a THC, Caffeine, and Alcohol drink.


Generally, I like the idea of legalzation for several reasons, including being able to regulate it like tobacco, put tax on it, get money flowing into the government from the sales, removing the threat stigma and criminal records from the users, etc.  cambie (post above yours) had a *damn* good idea regarding putting % THC information on the packaging, as we do with beer and other alcohol.  I'd *love* to see that idea get a lot of traction.

And, of course, we could do as we do with laws regarding alcohol.  Alcohol is legal, but there are laws concerning abuse (public intoxication, DWI, stiffer regulations for pilots, etc.).  Why should pot be any different?

My *biggest* fear with regard to legalization is that Big Tobacco will try and muscle into a legal pot industry and do that that stuff what they've done to tobacco.  Surely we've all heard about all the nasty stuff that they routinely add to tobacco.  Bad is tobacco might be, these additives (don't recall all that shiat offhand, someone please feel free to post a list) is far worse on its own than straight tobacco ever was.

I think people should watch legalization very closely to make sure none of that poison gets 'industrialized' into legal weed.
 
2014-01-21 04:08:47 PM  
Somebody doesn't know their Caddyshack. Spaulding bought the weed from A Negro.
 
2014-01-21 04:12:45 PM  
"and do that that stuff what they've done to tobacco"

... should have read 'and add all that stuff to weed that they add to tobacco'.

/shouldn't try to post when I'm working.
 
2014-01-21 04:16:33 PM  
Just to be more blatant about it:

If pot is legalized, we have to either keep Big Tobacco out of it, or make sure they are watched and hamstrung if necessary.  They have a proven track record of cheerfully and deliberately poison their customers.  Plus, someone may slip them cash to make sure the pot is more harmful than necessary, so it can be shown as the 'Demon Weed'.
 
2014-01-21 04:17:11 PM  
*poisoning.

goddamitsomuch.
 
2014-01-21 05:00:15 PM  
it's all fun and games potheads until the weed gets to 110% THC and then watch people start dying left and right.
 
2014-01-21 05:02:48 PM  
Bourbon shouldn't be legal because it's so much stronger than beer.

/derp
 
2014-01-21 05:04:53 PM  
50 bucks says he picks his nose!
 
2014-01-21 05:32:33 PM  

MFAWG: Somebody doesn't know their Caddyshack. Spaulding bought the weed from A Negro.



The world needs ditchweeders, too.
 
2014-01-21 05:51:16 PM  

snocone: Well, as Hill said, "What difference does it make?"


Internet Rule #35: Any thread can be tied back to Benghazi, because reasons.
 
2014-01-21 06:42:16 PM  
Listen kids.  Pot's not the same now as when I was your age.  The THC content has gone up by at least a factor of 10.  One little puff gives you what it took an entire joint to get before.

Kids these days have no idea how good they have it.
 
2014-01-21 06:43:37 PM  

T-Boy: Aquapope: Every single person I'm very close friends with smokes weed daily.  Several of them smoke weed all day long.  3 of them are very successful business owners (10+ years in business), at least 4 are upper management in fairly large companies, and several are self-employed since the mid-nineties.  Another dozen or so have had full-time jobs at the same place for many years.

And you spend your day commenting on FARK.  Maybe you should be smoking more stuff like your friends who have jobs during the day.


You're posting during the day to snark about me posting during the day?
 
2014-01-21 06:47:00 PM  
Kennedy doesn't have much sympathy for the people who's lives are ruined by absurd marijuana convictions. If white, suburban kids were dragged into the legal system because of weed the way blacks and Hispanics are there would be a drastically different drug policy in America.
 
2014-01-21 06:51:11 PM  

wheatpennyandaglock: "Hey if it's oregano man, you can use it in your soup"


"That chit wouldn't get a fly high!"
 
2014-01-21 08:17:39 PM  
My two most commonly used drugs are thc and caffeine. When I go a few days without thc I think "I'd sure like to smoke some weed, oh well." When I go a day without coffee I get a throbbing headache.

Maybe the coffee now is just stronger than the coffee Patrick Kennedy was served in the opulent mansion that he grew up in.
 
2014-01-21 10:51:05 PM  
BRB, smoking super weed now.
 
2014-01-21 11:31:08 PM  
Patrick Kennedy (D-UI)

Why do I have to live near this f*cking useless human being? Aside from the fact that he can't drive sober, he also had his campaign aide ask a friend of mine if she wanted to meet the former (then current) Congressman at a local motel.

You're supposed to disappear! Go be useless like everyone else in Portsmouth!
 
2014-01-22 12:28:09 PM  

Tenga: I remember back in the old days passing a couple of joints around a group of 4 or 5  people. Today, it would be one joint and it would get put out halfway through.

Whats the BFD?


The BFD is the fear mongering has several fall back positions to go thru before any truth gets told.
 
2014-01-22 10:07:31 PM  
And this is coming from the Ambien & driving guy?
 
2014-01-22 10:13:25 PM  

CBob: And this is coming from the Ambien & driving guy?



It helps if you remember "reversion to mean."

Or "An apple doesn't fall far from the tree, but it will roll all the way down on a hill."
 
2014-01-23 12:43:44 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: My *biggest* fear with regard to legalization is that Big Tobacco will try and muscle into a legal pot industry and do that that stuff what they've done to tobacco.


Frankly I'll take them over the Russian and Mexican mafias which are currently controlling the pot trade. It's not a bunch of hippies that have the big grow scenes anymore. It's a bunch of very scary dudes with only a rudimentary command of the English language.
 
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