iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.
HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished. No other beliefs will be accepted.This is so disgusting.
TrotlineDesigns: I would have pissed in the cake like the employees spit in the food at McDonalds and don't get charged with criminal offenses and what not./Wouldn't be my first time in jail or criminal court
Phinn: Dr Dreidel: Freedom of association does not mean that a license-holder can deny use of the power granted by that license to another citizen for any reason.Yes, it does.Freedom of association means that neither you nor the government you empower has the legitimate ability to issue or withhold "licenses" based on people's compliance with your association demands.Licensing is not carte blanche to control everything about a person's business. If that's what the licensing law pretends to assert, then the licensing law is itself unethical.
karnal: I guess my sense of capitalism trumps any of my beliefs...If I owned a bakery I would sale a cake to anyone.....well, except the Irish.
tricycleracer: Become a private bakery club and discriminate to your heart's content.
scubamage: gerrymander: Dr Dreidel: More like, "If the government's gonna force us ALL to pay for roads, etc, then we should ALL have the same access to them." Meaning a state-licensed business cannot refuse service to someone for reasons the state deems invalid. If you're going to exercise a power granted by the state, you exercise it according to state rules.Does that help?That way, if you're a private club (which specifically doesn't get a license, and is free to deny service to the darkies for their Curse of Ham, and the homos for the Curse of Ken Ham) (not really, but the rules are more relaxed), the state isn't supporting you and you're free to Christ it up with the other Church Ladies (and Satan) as much as you want.That's the problem with this ruling. A private contract to create an artistic expression is not -- and really, can never be -- subject to government license.If the lesbians wanted a standard sheet cake with frosting letters, that would (I expect) have been well under the 'licensed business umbra'. But they didn't. They wanted a specialty cake for a one-time event, which required a separate contract. A separate contract to create a one-time piece should have been viewed as art, regardless of whether or not the government imposed restrictions upon the place where the art is created. And at that point, the rights enshrined by the Religious Freedom Restoration Act should have taken precedence.This decision is wrong, as a matter of law.The contract would still have the business as a signatory, and the business is beholden to state and federal law.Just adding "as a matter of law" to your statements doesn't make them correct.
I drunk what: if you are hetero itz becaws you are afraid of teh ghey and racist
mwfark: They are forcing her to serve people she doesn't want to serve, or they're forcing her out of business. Yes - there is force involved, and that's a problem in a free society.
vermicious k'nid: MyRandomName: lennavan: cryinoutloud: I think I'd just take my business elsewhere.cryinoutloud: But I have a life of my own to take care of.I feel the same way about Rosa Parks. Didn't she have anything better to do than waste her time biatching about seating on a bus. Just take yo' business to the back of the bus.The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you. Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged. You are the people you complain about. You have simply switched skin color for politics and religion. You are no better. You at just as intolerant.I just had you farkied as a derper but thanks to this drivel we've reached ignore. Congrats.
baconbeard: karnal: I guess my sense of capitalism trumps any of my beliefs...If I owned a bakery I would sale a cake to anyone.....well, except the Irish.They're not really people, so it's all good.
HotWingConspiracy: God really seems like a petty asshole with too much time on is hands.
cryinoutloud: I think I'd just take my business elsewhere.
cryinoutloud: But I have a life of my own to take care of.
hardinparamedic: Leishu: Are you going to give a real answer or continue to obfuscate, or, for my records, is that precisely what you do when your intentional inattention to fact backs you into a corner?Something tells me that "control freak" is Phinn's passive-aggressive way of insulting anyone who won't let him do whatever he wants without consequences.
hardinparamedic: Phinn: The selection of particular criteria for this form of special protection is arbitrary and unprincipled.To put it bluntly, Phinn: I don't care. Honestly, I don't care. You're entitled to your opinion, and it's cute and all.Your posts this entire thread have been about spreading pseudo-intellectual libertarian knucklechildren on everyone else's faces because you think that if protections for people in the minority went away, or worse, the old neoconfederate "state's rights!" cry, that we would all live in a glorious, free market utopia where no one would be treated badly because of their race, religion, creed, or gender/sexual orientation.If you honestly believe what you posted over and over in this thread is just, right, or ethical, then you're either delusional to the truth of human nature, or a brainwashed randroid.
lennavan: JSTACAT: Isn't that like requiring that a Kosher restaurant offer pork & etc & hide the Star of David??No. This is like requiring a Kosher restaurant that offers pork to a white dude also has to offer it to a black dude. Kinda like how a cake maker that offers cakes to a straight couple has to offer them to gay couples.JSTACAT: Whatever happened to "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone?"It never existed.
GnomePaladin: Phinn: And that's what makes you giddy -- control.Yeah, MAAAAAAN! Tell the sheeple to WAKE UP!
UrukHaiGuyz: Phinn: The real question is: Why are they protected classes? On what ethical principle does one decide how to define "protected classes" in the first place? (Vegetarians? Left-handed Twilight fans?) What is the justification for specially protecting a class in the first place, as opposed to having laws of UNIVERSAL application?Protected classes are generally those that have an established history of being discriminated against and thus being in need of protection.
ciberido: Phinn: Forcing people to interact with other people is evil.In some cases. Like, for example, if the person I were forced to interact with were you. That'd be pretty evil.
Phinn: So, let's say it's 1955, and I run a bakery, and the government has passed a law MANDATING that I can't bake a cake for gays.I'll be JAILED for it. But I want to bake for gays. I want the gay baking trade.And, in response to this unjust law, I say things like, "The law is unjust. The government has NO LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY to prohibit me from selling cakes to gays, or to anyone I want. It's between me and my customers, and (literally) none of your business!"And since we're all in 1955 and not just me, all of the FarkProg assholes posting in this thread would rise up and call me names and tell me to go live in the woods and cite "licensing" laws, to force me to follow their precious government's laws.Because Respect My Authoritah.
Hickory-smoked: MyRandomName: You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others.[www.elephantjournal.com image 543x353]
Phinn: And that's what makes you giddy -- control.
Phinn: barneyfifesbullet: It's just another day in Your Gay Indoctrination.Only a liberal would want the government to force someone to bake them a cake.It's not about the cake. No one wants a cake made by someone who dislikes him. Obvi.The medium is the message. The superficial message from the government here is: YOU MUST BAKE CAKES FOR THE GAYS.But the superficial message is unimportant. It's the import of the communication that matters, the subtext. Here, the real, unspoken message is: WE CONTROL YOUR BUSINESS.Arbitrary compliance with fake-rules is what Drill Instructors do to recruits, or what fraternities do to pledges. The government could make a rule that says, "No baking blue cakes on Thursdays." Or "You MUST bake blue cakes on Thursdays." Kind of how it goes from mandating racial discrimination one week, to prohibiting it the next.The point is not the presence or absence of blue cakes. The content of the rule doesn't matter. The EXISTENCE of the rule is what matters, because having a rule is what defines the role of the "governed" as one of submission to authority.In fact, the more trivial the rule is, the better it is for its use as a tool of symbolic submission.
CivicMindedFive: Fark is a weird place where Christians are the ultimate trump card.Contrast this to the douchey-hipster article who wants government to prevent his neighbors from chopping down trees on their property because he likes those trees. The Fark brigade is almost universally against the hipster douche siding with private property rights.Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.If there's ever a case where cops beat the snot out of anti-abortion demonstrators, the whole universe might divide by zero following the cognitive dissonance coming from fark.
Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished. No other beliefs will be accepted.This is so disgusting.Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."
Billygoat Gruff: Some friends and I werent allowed in a club in Germany one night. When we asked the door man why he said "You are Americans and you steal all the women." So I too, have known the sting of bigotry. We just laughed it off and went to the bar next door and spent our money there. But none of us were looking to be victims we just wanted to get drunk and chase women.
Phinn: Baz744: this bakery own remains free to believe homosexuality is immoral. He is not, however, free to discriminate against homosexuals in the public, commercial conduct of his businessThe freedom of association says otherwise,
Onkel Buck: Dr Dreidel: MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you.Like the liberals who boycotted Pepsi over some Jay-Z lyrics?Like the liberals who boycotted Dunkin Donuts over Rachel Ray's neckwear?Like the liberals who boycotted Starbucks over their decision to not be dicks to their employees?Like the liberals who boycotted government because Congress wouldn't pass the laws they wanted?Ummm... are you going to ruin Madonnas career after she used the N word the other day? Or did she need to say it 20 years ago for it to matter?
Gentoolive: Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished. No other beliefs will be accepted.This is so disgusting.Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."And?If you don't like the way someone conducts business, don't shop there.
Mr. Right: So can a pro-abortion bakery owner be forced to make a Right To Life cake? Can a black bakery owner be forced to make a cake for the anniversary celebration of the local KKK chapter? Can a Kosher bakery owner be forced to bake a cake for a Neo-Nazi party?Regardless of one's position on gay marriage, this kind of lawsuit should be cause for concern to anyone who believes in free association.
MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished. No other beliefs will be accepted.This is so disgusting.The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.
MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you.
MyRandomName: lennavan: cryinoutloud: I think I'd just take my business elsewhere.cryinoutloud: But I have a life of my own to take care of.I feel the same way about Rosa Parks. Didn't she have anything better to do than waste her time biatching about seating on a bus. Just take yo' business to the back of the bus.The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you. Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged. You are the people you complain about. You have simply switched skin color for politics and religion. You are no better. You at just as intolerant.
s2s2s2: I want businesses that hate me to let me know, up front. God* knows what they'd put in my cake if forced to bake one for me!*forensics team
MyRandomName: Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged.
"Since then, Sweet Cakes has closed up its public storefront and the Kleins now run it from home, citing a loss of business due to public scrutiny."
mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.
Onkel Buck: iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.That may have worked but you know how some folks like to play the victim. The couple could have went home and called the bakery posing as a straight couple and then GOTCHA! The bakery owner was farked once he unlocked the door that morning.
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