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(Think Progress)   Bakery that refused to sell wedding cake to lesbian couple found to have discriminated, its owner saying it's part of 'God's plan'. Sure, if God's plan for you is a jury trial   ( thinkprogress.org) divider line
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2014-01-21 10:04:55 AM  
Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.
 
2014-01-21 10:32:43 AM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


I think the you must believe meme was tried before. Oh yea I remember when.

s11.postimg.org
 
2014-01-21 10:33:20 AM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.



Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."
 
2014-01-21 10:35:05 AM  
It is the Cakewich. The most evil cake ever created. Forged in darkness from wheat harvested in Hell's half acre. Baked by Beelzebub. Slathered with frosting beaten from the evil eggs of dark chicken, force-fed to dogs by the hands of a one-eyed madman!
 
2014-01-21 10:59:46 AM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


So if I think disabled people are weak and disgusting, I am free to refuse them service at my business?  And I can serve whites only, that's OK because these are my beliefs, right?
 
2014-01-21 12:09:49 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".
 
2014-01-21 12:19:19 PM  
I will give the lady credit: before this happened I didn't know that discrimination laws protected customers, too.  Well, depending on the state.  I seriously doubt businesses here in SC would get sued by the state for not serving "undesirables."

Previously I'd always thought that massive public shaming would work on its own.
 
2014-01-21 12:32:16 PM  

stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".


Ahh, HoustonNick popped in, dropped a turd and ducked out again.
 
2014-01-21 01:11:06 PM  
God is great, amazing and all powerful. I know He has a plan :)

Perhaps his plan is for you to stop being a bigoted dickbag.
 
2014-01-21 01:11:49 PM  

Ennuipoet: Ahh, HoustonNick popped in, dropped a turd and ducked out again.


I'm sure that one of his alts will show up sometime.
 
2014-01-21 01:12:40 PM  
It seems as if God skimped on a few key ingrediants in the bakery owners brain.
 
2014-01-21 01:13:36 PM  
I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.
 
2014-01-21 01:14:30 PM  
Money is money.  What is wrong with these people.
 
2014-01-21 01:14:38 PM  

choo: It is the Cakewich. The most evil cake ever created. Forged in darkness from wheat harvested in Hell's half acre. Baked by Beelzebub. Slathered with frosting beaten from the evil eggs of dark chicken, force-fed to dogs by the hands of a one-eyed madman!


That's nice; by the way, I picked the dlsun dried tomatoes off.
 
2014-01-21 01:15:36 PM  

iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.


Sure, but how's that gonna hoist them up on that cross? They're clearly going for the Chic-Fil-A model, or as I like to call it, the "Southern Fried Strategy".
 
2014-01-21 01:15:54 PM  

iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.


But that would have been lying and lying is a sin.
 
2014-01-21 01:16:08 PM  
God really seems like a petty asshole with too much time on is hands.
 
2014-01-21 01:16:27 PM  
To all of you that have been praying for Aaron and I, I want to say thank you. I know that your prayers are being heard

Okay, so you know people were praying for you and you know God heard those prayers and you lost the court case.  So I'm thinkin maybe God isn't on your side for this one.
 
2014-01-21 01:16:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: God really seems like a petty asshole with too much time on is hands.


God did create man in his own image.
 
2014-01-21 01:17:19 PM  
You know, when God's plan for you is a trial by your peers...

You're in a lot of trouble:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-21 01:18:04 PM  
I think I'd just take my business elsewhere. So how long now has this guy been running their lives? Oh, for a year now, and they're not done yet. it must be nice to have the luxury of being outraged for that long. But I have a life of my own to take care of.
 
2014-01-21 01:18:08 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.

Sure, but how's that gonna hoist them up on that cross? They're clearly going for the Chic-Fil-A model, or as I like to call it, the "Southern Fried Strategy".


Well, it would have kept them from getting sued. That's more important than martyrdom.
 
2014-01-21 01:19:03 PM  
I guess my sense of capitalism trumps any of my beliefs...If I owned a bakery I would sale a cake to anyone.....well, except the Irish.
 
2014-01-21 01:20:11 PM  
Stupid subby. It's only Gods plan when it benefits them, If it doesn't, they're being persecuted for their beliefs. Don't you know that?
 
2014-01-21 01:20:21 PM  

iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.


That may have worked but you know how some folks like to play the victim. The couple could have went home and called the bakery posing as a straight couple and then GOTCHA! The bakery owner was farked once he unlocked the door that morning.
 
2014-01-21 01:20:48 PM  

cryinoutloud: I think I'd just take my business elsewhere.


cryinoutloud: But I have a life of my own to take care of.


I feel the same way about Rosa Parks.  Didn't she have anything better to do than waste her time biatching about seating on a bus.  Just take yo' business to the back of the bus.
 
2014-01-21 01:21:12 PM  
I still think they are being punished for being essentially bad people, which they are.
 
2014-01-21 01:21:13 PM  

sdd2000: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

I think the you must believe meme was tried before. Oh yea I remember when.

[s11.postimg.org image 387x281]



The government mandated racial discrimination right before it prohibited it.

There's never really been a significant amount of time when the State respected the freedom of association.
 
2014-01-21 01:21:13 PM  
A lesbian couple should have twice the yeast infections.

Can harvest that are start their own bakery.

Yummmm... vagina baked goodness.
 
2014-01-21 01:21:41 PM  
"I use the Bible to defend me whenever I'm called out on being a bigoted asshat, and claim I'm being persecuted whenever I'm slapped with a fine or a lawsuit for exercising said bigoted asshattery."
 
2014-01-21 01:21:52 PM  
"Since then, Sweet Cakes has closed up its public storefront and the Kleins now run it from home, citing a loss of business due to public scrutiny. Melissa responded to the decision "

/Almost like some other invisible hand was at work here
 
2014-01-21 01:22:32 PM  
I keep hearing references to this case but may have missed the details. Did the brides want figurines of two women scissoring on top of the cake or something?
 
2014-01-21 01:22:37 PM  

stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".


You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.
 
rpm
2014-01-21 01:22:51 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: God really seems like a petty asshole with too much time on is hands.


Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't read the bible.
 
2014-01-21 01:23:22 PM  
So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.
 
2014-01-21 01:24:16 PM  

quickdraw: iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.

But that would have been lying and lying is a sin.


Hey, it's a fib! Fibs are different!

/ I've got fibs to the left,
Fibs to the right,
And, their the only cake shop in town!

// yes, that is a Jimmy Buffet reference
 
2014-01-21 01:24:29 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


/high five broham
 
2014-01-21 01:24:34 PM  

Onkel Buck: iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.

That may have worked but you know how some folks like to play the victim. The couple could have went home and called the bakery posing as a straight couple and then GOTCHA! The bakery owner was farked once he unlocked the door that morning.

decided that discrimination is an expression of faith


Come on, hundreds of non-bigoted bakers are not being sued right right now.
 
2014-01-21 01:24:43 PM  

mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.


Someone is forcing this lady to run a cake business?  Shiat, I missed that part of the article.
 
2014-01-21 01:24:48 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Romans 13:1

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."


Why do you rebel against God?
 
2014-01-21 01:25:16 PM  
Mask your contempt and take their money.

/ embroidered on a favorite pillow
 
2014-01-21 01:25:20 PM  
This is why we can't have iced things.
 
rpm
2014-01-21 01:25:31 PM  

mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.


They are free not to run the business. Don't want to follow business regulations? Don't go into business for yourself.
 
2014-01-21 01:25:33 PM  

Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."


And?

If you don't like the way someone conducts business, don't shop there.
 
2014-01-21 01:25:38 PM  
cdn.bleacherreport.com
 
2014-01-21 01:25:39 PM  
We reserve the right...
 
2014-01-21 01:25:41 PM  

BalugaJoe: Money is money.  What is wrong with these people.


This
 
2014-01-21 01:26:29 PM  

MyRandomName: You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others.


www.elephantjournal.com
 
2014-01-21 01:26:32 PM  
While I think the bakery is retarded, this is pretty stupid. It is a farking wedding cake. If the bakery had "messed up" the order and made it a man and woman on the cake, would it still be illegal? If so, are screwups then illegal?
 
2014-01-21 01:26:39 PM  

lennavan: mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.

Someone is forcing this lady to run a cake business?  Shiat, I missed that part of the article.


They are forcing her to serve people she doesn't want to serve, or they're forcing her out of business. Yes - there is force involved, and that's a problem in a free society.
 
2014-01-21 01:26:42 PM  

lennavan: cryinoutloud: I think I'd just take my business elsewhere.

cryinoutloud: But I have a life of my own to take care of.

I feel the same way about Rosa Parks.  Didn't she have anything better to do than waste her time biatching about seating on a bus.  Just take yo' business to the back of the bus.


The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you. Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged. You are the people you complain about. You have simply switched skin color for politics and religion. You are no better. You at just as intolerant.
 
2014-01-21 01:27:01 PM  

CleanAndPure: A lesbian couple should have twice the yeast infections.

Can harvest that are start their own bakery.

Yummmm... vagina baked goodness.


i26.photobucket.com

/this was the most SFW one I could find
 
2014-01-21 01:27:17 PM  

doubled99: We reserve the right...


You can't reserve rights you don't legally have.  And discrimination isn't a fundamental and intractable right.
 
2014-01-21 01:27:43 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


You're late for your prayer group, Junior.
 
2014-01-21 01:27:49 PM  

karnal: I guess my sense of capitalism trumps any of my beliefs...If I owned a bakery I would sale a cake to anyone.....well, except the Irish.


They're not really people, so it's all good.
 
2014-01-21 01:28:17 PM  

mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.


These people thought they could run their business as they saw fit as well.

s30.postimg.org
 
2014-01-21 01:28:19 PM  
Personally, if someone was being a dick to me, I wouldn't sue to be able to give them my business. Quite the opposite.

But welcome to America.
 
2014-01-21 01:28:20 PM  
If god was really on everyone's side who claims it, we wouldn't have gay marriage anywhere, the 10 commandments would be on every courthouse wall and storekeepers would be shot for saying "happy holidays"

Suck it, everyone who wears their religion and/or their politics on their sleeve.
 
2014-01-21 01:28:43 PM  

rpm: They are free not to run the business.



Not with control freaks like you around.
 
2014-01-21 01:29:04 PM  

Lots of shiat is part of God's plan.

It's educational.

 
2014-01-21 01:29:05 PM  
And God, who created all things with infinite wisdom and complexity, said to the faithful; Go out with hatred and be dicks to other people because your faith makes you smarter than everyone else so why would you bother trying to understand anything?
 
2014-01-21 01:29:16 PM  
It is a religious belief they are standing for, that homosexuality is wrong.  Comparing that to segregation is apples and oranges.  The bible never said blacks were not equal, it says the opposite.
 
2014-01-21 01:29:39 PM  

MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.


It's cute that you're white knighting Houston Nick.

It's also funny that you've said so many stupid things that you're on just about everyone's block list.  So, I thought I'd reply so your idiocy could stand out.

You're welcome.
 
2014-01-21 01:29:58 PM  

MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.



If only there was a way where these bakers could have avoided this legal entanglement while also making a profit?

/ just bake the farking cake
 
2014-01-21 01:30:00 PM  

karnal: I guess my sense of capitalism trumps any of my beliefs...If I owned a bakery I would sale a cake to anyone.....well, except the Irish.


dawsonian.com

/First thing I thought of when I read that...
 
2014-01-21 01:30:11 PM  
MyRandomName:

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

Yup. I remembered when I planned my wedding, actual planning was the furthest thing from my mind. I picked all of my vendors solely on how much we clashed and how horrible an experience the entire process of planning would be. I figured the entire process wasn't a headache enough, I needed to begin a crusade during one of the more hectic times in my life.
 
2014-01-21 01:30:13 PM  
This is such BS.  "Cryer and Bowman filed a complaint alleging unlawful discrimination."

Cryer and Bowman should have their attention-whoring as*es run out of town. Go to a different baker for crying out loud.
 
2014-01-21 01:30:26 PM  

doubled99: We reserve the right...


To be licensed to operate under the rules of the state, county, and city that you reside in. Failure to comply may result in getting your ass handed to you.
 
2014-01-21 01:30:38 PM  
I want businesses that hate me to let me know, up front. God* knows what they'd put in my cake if forced to bake one for me!

*forensics team
 
2014-01-21 01:30:44 PM  

"Since then, Sweet Cakes has closed up its public storefront and the Kleins now run it from home, citing a loss of business due to public scrutiny."


i293.photobucket.com

 
2014-01-21 01:30:47 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.


I want you to go die in a fire.  or suffer some debilitating injury that leaves you trapped in your own body.  That's my religious belief.  See now I'm protected!
 
2014-01-21 01:30:57 PM  

baconbeard: karnal: I guess my sense of capitalism trumps any of my beliefs...If I owned a bakery I would sale a cake to anyone.....well, except the Irish.

They're not really people, so it's all good.


I may not agree with which cakes you don't make but I'll defend your right not to bake them.
 
2014-01-21 01:31:00 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.


Last I checked, this bakery own remains free to believe homosexuality is immoral. He is not, however, free to discriminate against homosexuals in the public, commercial conduct of his business.
 
2014-01-21 01:31:06 PM  

Onkel Buck: iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.

That may have worked but you know how some folks like to play the victim. The couple could have went home and called the bakery posing as a straight couple and then GOTCHA! The bakery owner was farked once he unlocked the door that morning. Decided to be a bigoted asshole.


FTFY
 
2014-01-21 01:32:11 PM  

MyRandomName: Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged.


No I wouldn't.  But I'm sure that won't stop you from imagining it to be true.
 
2014-01-21 01:32:18 PM  

s2s2s2: I want businesses that hate me to let me know, up front. God* knows what they'd put in my cake if forced to bake one for me!

*forensics team


Attempted murder is quite a bit higher on the penalty list than discrimination. Ma and Pa Bigot would likely get to see just how horrible homosexuality is in a very personal way for a few years or so.
 
2014-01-21 01:32:25 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: If only there was a way where these bakers could have avoided this legal entanglement while also making a profit?

/ just bake the farking cake



How about "Just buy a cake from someone else"?
 
2014-01-21 01:32:28 PM  
Become a private bakery club and discriminate to your heart's content.
 
2014-01-21 01:32:48 PM  
Well these people are just stupid. If they didn't want to sella cake, all they had to say was "Oh, I am so sorry, but we are booked up with cake requests that week. Here, try ." Then they wouldn't be sued.
 
2014-01-21 01:32:57 PM  
If you run your own business, you should have every right to be racist, sexist or whatever and discriminate.
 
2014-01-21 01:32:57 PM  

MyRandomName: lennavan: cryinoutloud: I think I'd just take my business elsewhere.

cryinoutloud: But I have a life of my own to take care of.

I feel the same way about Rosa Parks.  Didn't she have anything better to do than waste her time biatching about seating on a bus.  Just take yo' business to the back of the bus.

The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you. Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged. You are the people you complain about. You have simply switched skin color for politics and religion. You are no better. You at just as intolerant.


I just had you farkied as a derper but thanks to this drivel we've reached ignore. Congrats.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:10 PM  
Can someone please direct me to the Bible passage which requires Jehovah religionists to discriminate against homosexuals in provision of public services?
 
2014-01-21 01:33:49 PM  

Baz744: this bakery own remains free to believe homosexuality is immoral. He is not, however, free to discriminate against homosexuals in the public, commercial conduct of his business



The freedom of association says otherwise, but thanks for outlining the point where you think other people's freedoms end, control freak.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:51 PM  

MyRandomName: lennavan: cryinoutloud: I think I'd just take my business elsewhere.

cryinoutloud: But I have a life of my own to take care of.

I feel the same way about Rosa Parks.  Didn't she have anything better to do than waste her time biatching about seating on a bus.  Just take yo' business to the back of the bus.

The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you. Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged. You are the people you complain about. You have simply switched skin color for politics and religion. You are no better. You at just as intolerant.


WTF are you on about?

I rarely see good ole boys in minority run small businesses and zomg color me surprised!
 
2014-01-21 01:33:53 PM  
ITT:
Lots of freedom loving Americans butt hurt they can't discriminate against people because that nasty Constitution says otherwise.
 
2014-01-21 01:33:58 PM  

Phinn: rpm: They are free not to run the business.

Not with control freaks like you around.


That doesn't even make sense.  Is there some liberal rule that says so and so has to run a bakery?


Also,  all the replies to folks indicating that the bakery owner's freedoms are being abridged who respond with the 'whites only' stuff;  they don't care.  In their perfect world, Jim Crow would be alive and well.
 
2014-01-21 01:34:11 PM  

MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you.


Like the liberals who boycotted Pepsi over some Jay-Z lyrics?
Like the liberals who boycotted Dunkin Donuts over Rachel Ray's neckwear?
Like the liberals who boycotted Starbucks over their decision to not be dicks to their employees?
Like the liberals who boycotted government because Congress wouldn't pass the laws they wanted?
 
2014-01-21 01:34:54 PM  
So can a pro-abortion bakery owner be forced to make a Right To Life cake?  Can a black bakery owner be forced to make a cake for the anniversary celebration of the local KKK chapter?  Can a Kosher bakery owner be forced to bake a cake for a Neo-Nazi party?

Regardless of one's position on gay marriage, this kind of lawsuit should be cause for concern to anyone who believes in free association.
 
2014-01-21 01:35:33 PM  

MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.


I'll tolerate a religious person, until their bigotry sets in. Then, I will call them out on their bigotry. I don't care if you hide behind a Bible, a Koran, a Torah, or The Turner Diaries. I don't care what religion you are, or what you use as an excuse, but if you use that to shield yourself from your bigotry and hatred, then you are an idiot and the worst kind of asshole.
 
2014-01-21 01:35:33 PM  
I thought all Americans loved pie.
 
2014-01-21 01:36:22 PM  

vermicious k'nid: MyRandomName: lennavan: cryinoutloud: I think I'd just take my business elsewhere.

cryinoutloud: But I have a life of my own to take care of.

I feel the same way about Rosa Parks.  Didn't she have anything better to do than waste her time biatching about seating on a bus.  Just take yo' business to the back of the bus.

The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you. Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged. You are the people you complain about. You have simply switched skin color for politics and religion. You are no better. You at just as intolerant.

I just had you farkied as a derper but thanks to this drivel we've reached ignore. Congrats.


Wah
 
2014-01-21 01:36:40 PM  

susler: Phinn: rpm: They are free not to run the business.

Not with control freaks like you around.

That doesn't even make sense.  Is there some liberal rule that says so and so has to run a bakery?


Also,  all the replies to folks indicating that the bakery owner's freedoms are being abridged who respond with the 'whites only' stuff;  they don't care.  In their perfect world, Jim Crow would be alive and well.



So, you don't understand the differences among Forced Discrimination, Forced Non-discrimination and Freedom of Association.

Got it.
 
2014-01-21 01:37:10 PM  

Mr. Right: So can a pro-abortion bakery owner be forced to make a Right To Life cake?  Can a black bakery owner be forced to make a cake for the anniversary celebration of the local KKK chapter?  Can a Kosher bakery owner be forced to bake a cake for a Neo-Nazi party?

Regardless of one's position on gay marriage, this kind of lawsuit should be cause for concern to anyone who believes in free association.


None of those groups you listed are "protected groups", so, sure, discriminate away.
 
2014-01-21 01:37:37 PM  
Agree or disagree with the personal views of the business owner, this is a sort of tyranny.  The guy has no problems selling cupcakes off the shelf to anybody.  Making a wedding cake is not the same.  It's an artistic endeavor.  Should some scary dumb hick christian be able to go to a gay liberal artist and ask, nay, demand, he paint them a picture of gays being burned in hell and sue the crap out of him if he refuses?
 
2014-01-21 01:37:57 PM  

Gentoolive: Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."

And?

If you don't like the way someone conducts business, don't shop there.


WOW. Are you a f*cking time traveler from the 1950's?
 
2014-01-21 01:38:00 PM  
I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?
 
2014-01-21 01:38:36 PM  
They have been targeted and will feel the wrath of the Gay K K.
 
2014-01-21 01:38:38 PM  

mwfark: They are forcing her to serve people she doesn't want to serve, or they're forcing her out of business. Yes - there is force involved, and that's a problem in a free society.


Oh man, it goes much farther than that.  The government actually forces that poor baker to maintain sanitary conditions where she prepares food.  Shouldn't she be free to prepare them however she wants?  Don't even get me started on what all the government forces her to do if she hires someone.  Why shouldn't I be allowed to employ an 8 year old for $0.25 an hour?
 
2014-01-21 01:38:44 PM  

mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.


In constitutional terms, no such right exists. The 10th Amendment says states have the right to police the health, safety, and morals of their residents; including by prohibiting immoral discrimination against homosexuals in provision of public services. I.e., states may permissibly punish evil people.
 
2014-01-21 01:38:51 PM  
Can't wait for the Neo-Nazi's to show up en masse on Fark preaching their crap, but private business owner Drew will be prevented BY LAW from throwing them out because DISCRIMINATION.

/It's a comfy bed you Libtards are setting up for yourselves.
//and yes, people WILL set up private bakeries, restaurants, etc. if this shiat gets much deeper, and America Balkanizes further....
 
2014-01-21 01:39:19 PM  
They should have just gone with "The cake is a lie".
 
2014-01-21 01:39:29 PM  

Dr Dreidel: MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you.

Like the liberals who boycotted Pepsi over some Jay-Z lyrics?
Like the liberals who boycotted Dunkin Donuts over Rachel Ray's neckwear?
Like the liberals who boycotted Starbucks over their decision to not be dicks to their employees?
Like the liberals who boycotted government because Congress wouldn't pass the laws they wanted?


Ummm... are you going to ruin Madonnas career after she used the N word the other day? Or did she need to say it 20 years ago for it to matter?
 
2014-01-21 01:39:33 PM  

MyRandomName: You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.


As Scientology has proven, any drunken jackass can make up their own religion based on a bar bet. So here, I just made up a religion were no moronic rednecks are allowed to drink at my establishment. I'll probably go broke but I'll have made my point.
 
2014-01-21 01:39:49 PM  

Gentoolive: Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."

And?

If you don't like the way someone conducts business, don't shop there.


Also would like to add: If you are afraid of having the spooks, queers, chinks, heebs, and beaners frequent your establishment, then maybe YOU SHOULDN'T RUN A farkING BUSINESS!
 
2014-01-21 01:40:39 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Yes, yes you are.
 
2014-01-21 01:40:44 PM  

Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?



Sexual orientation is a protected class in a number of states.  I'm not going to google that for you.
 
2014-01-21 01:41:51 PM  

totallyfubar: It is a religious belief they are standing for, that homosexuality is wrong.  Comparing that to segregation is apples and oranges.  The bible never said blacks were not equal, it says the opposite.


Segregationists used the Bible to justify their actions.
 
2014-01-21 01:41:53 PM  

Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?


June 26, 2013
 
2014-01-21 01:42:00 PM  

Dr Dreidel: MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you.

Like the liberals who boycotted Pepsi over some Jay-Z lyrics?
Like the liberals who boycotted Dunkin Donuts over Rachel Ray's neckwear?
Like the liberals who boycotted Starbucks over their decision to not be dicks to their employees?
Like the liberals who boycotted government because Congress wouldn't pass the laws they wanted?


static01.mediaite.com
 
2014-01-21 01:42:05 PM  

mark12A: Can't wait for the Neo-Nazi's to show up en masse on Fark preaching their crap, but private business owner Drew will be prevented BY LAW from throwing them out because DISCRIMINATION.

/It's a comfy bed you Libtards are setting up for yourselves.
//and yes, people WILL set up private bakeries, restaurants, etc. if this shiat gets much deeper, and America Balkanizes further....


Political belief is not a protected class.
 
2014-01-21 01:42:10 PM  

tricycleracer: None of those groups you listed are "protected groups", so, sure, discriminate away.


So your argument is that everybody must be treated equally but some groups are more equal than others?
 
2014-01-21 01:43:06 PM  

Baz744: Can someone please direct me to the Bible passage which requires Jehovah religionists to discriminate against homosexuals in provision of public services?


Rom 16:17
2 Thess 3:6
2 Thess 3:14


They're applicable if you believe the corresponding bits about homosexuals.

/if
 
2014-01-21 01:43:11 PM  

Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?


In May 2008, the  passing of the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act, or Senate Bill 200, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or transgender status in housing and public accommodations.
 
2014-01-21 01:43:11 PM  

Baz744: mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.

In constitutional terms, no such right exists. The 10th Amendment says states have the right to police the health, safety, and morals of their residents; including by prohibiting immoral discrimination against homosexuals in provision of public services. I.e., states may permissibly punish evil people.



Forcing people to interact with other people is evil.

Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.
 
2014-01-21 01:43:16 PM  

MJMaloney187: This is such BS.  "Cryer and Bowman filed a complaint alleging unlawful discrimination."

Cryer and Bowman should have their attention-whoring as*es run out of town. Go to a different baker for crying out loud.


Pretty sure they already did.

That doesn't mean the Christian bigot's illegal discriminatory businesses practices don't need to be addressed.

Freedom to discriminate against an entire group of people is not really freedom.

Cryer and Bowman did a brave and necessary thing here.

They could have just walked away and not given the guy their business. That would have been the easy thing to do.

But it wouldn't have been the right thing to do.

Whining because some Baker with half baked ideas got properly called on being a total dick is funny and maybe a little bit sad too.

He's not the victim here.

Learn this.
 
2014-01-21 01:43:47 PM  

Onkel Buck: Dr Dreidel: MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you.

Like the liberals who boycotted Pepsi over some Jay-Z lyrics?
Like the liberals who boycotted Dunkin Donuts over Rachel Ray's neckwear?
Like the liberals who boycotted Starbucks over their decision to not be dicks to their employees?
Like the liberals who boycotted government because Congress wouldn't pass the laws they wanted?

Ummm... are you going to ruin Madonnas career after she used the N word the other day? Or did she need to say it 20 years ago for it to matter?


She apologized for it and admitted it was stupid.  I don't remember the wedding cake makers apologizing.

But just to err on the safe side, I promise to never purchase anything from Madonna.
 
2014-01-21 01:43:55 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Racist/Homophobe Creed - You must tolerate my intolerance.  The fact that I believe in an invisible sky wizard trumps any possible benefit to society from equal treatment of all under the law.

This is so disgusting.
 
2014-01-21 01:44:20 PM  
Christianity isn't a religion, it's a trolling system.
 
2014-01-21 01:44:36 PM  

Phinn: So, you don't understand the differences among Forced Discrimination, Forced Non-discrimination and Freedom of Association.


Forced discrimination: separate water fountains
Forced non-discrimination: TFA, and the main issue in TFT
Freedom of Association: means you retain the right to associate (or not) in your capacity as a citizen with any groups you choose.

Freedom of association does not mean that a license-holder can deny use of the power granted by that license to another citizen for any reason. Just like I can fire someone (in right-to-work states) for NO reason but not for ANY reason, you're free to refuse service for NO reason, but not for ANY reason.

// and the same reason that people are telling the couple to "get over it"/"find a new bakery" are the same reasons I say to the bakers: "Shut up and bake"
// even Abraham made food for heathens and idolators.
 
2014-01-21 01:44:54 PM  

mark12A: //and yes, people WILL set up private bakeries, restaurants, etc. if this shiat gets much deeper, and America Balkanizes further....


uh..this bigoted bakery couldn't even stay in business, what makes you think there would be an underground railroad funneling religious freak bigots to private bakeries?
 
2014-01-21 01:45:38 PM  

Mr. Right: tricycleracer: None of those groups you listed are "protected groups", so, sure, discriminate away.

So your argument is that everybody must be treated equally but some groups are more equal than others?


His argument is there are groups that are protected and groups that are not.  That's why it's okay to discriminate and only hire people with college degrees but it's not okay to discriminate and only hire white people.
 
2014-01-21 01:46:16 PM  

hardinparamedic: mark12A: Can't wait for the Neo-Nazi's to show up en masse on Fark preaching their crap, but private business owner Drew will be prevented BY LAW from throwing them out because DISCRIMINATION.

/It's a comfy bed you Libtards are setting up for yourselves.
//and yes, people WILL set up private bakeries, restaurants, etc. if this shiat gets much deeper, and America Balkanizes further....

Political belief is not a protected class.



When you define what's "protected" by arbitrary rules, then there's no reason "political belief" can't become protected.
 
2014-01-21 01:46:51 PM  

MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you. Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged. You are the people you complain about. You have simply switched skin color for politics and religion. You are no better. You at just as intolerant.


The hilarious part is that you think that something you make a decision on, such as religion (which is as protected, in fact more protected, than gender and sexual orientation) or political view, is somehow in any way comparable with something you don't make a decision on, such as sexual orientation or gender. In an effort to have some faith in humanity, I will pretend that you're just pretending to be this much of an obtuse piece of shiat, rather than face the likelihood that you are just that stupid and asinine.

And, once again, because you're too stupid to get it every time you're told, seemingly, you seem to be glossing over the fact that  intolerance of intolerance is NOT bigotry.Tolerance of intolerance, however? There's a special word for that:  Appeasement. It's a terrible thing which tends to lead to lynchings and genocide, but filth like you tends to pretend that your bigotry is somehow less bigoted because teh gays and brown people.

Now, on the subject, the Bakers knowingly broke state laws in their actions, and they are facing the consequences of breaking those laws. Now, if you don't believe in a law, civil disobedience, as the bakers practiced, assuming they were not just too dumb to research the laws governing their rights to own a public-serving business in that state (I know. Big assumption), you should not follow it, but part of civil disobedience is taking the consequences of knowingly breaking that law. They could actually maybe take this to the ACLU, which might actually help, as that law might be unconstitutional, for now.
 
2014-01-21 01:46:58 PM  

Onkel Buck: Dr Dreidel: MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you.

Like the liberals who boycotted Pepsi over some Jay-Z lyrics?
Like the liberals who boycotted Dunkin Donuts over Rachel Ray's neckwear?
Like the liberals who boycotted Starbucks over their decision to not be dicks to their employees?
Like the liberals who boycotted government because Congress wouldn't pass the laws they wanted?

Ummm... are you going to ruin Madonnas career after she used the N word the other day? Or did she need to say it 20 years ago for it to matter?


wat

// going to view Vadge's career the same way I have for the last 15 years - "She's still around?"
// also, I don't really care about boycotts - OP seemed to think it's a thing only "the liberals" do
// and he was incorrect
 
2014-01-21 01:47:10 PM  

notto: totallyfubar: It is a religious belief they are standing for, that homosexuality is wrong.  Comparing that to segregation is apples and oranges.  The bible never said blacks were not equal, it says the opposite.

Segregationists used the Bible to justify their actions.



It's remarkable how throughout history, the conservative movement has pretty consistently used the bible as its excuse for supporting really bad laws, like (among other things) slavery, alcohol prohibition, Jim crow laws, and now bigotry towards gays.

Also, remember when Rand Paul thought the civil rights act should be declared unconstitutional - because in his mind the "freedom to run your business as one sees fit" trumps the right of black people to be treated with respect and dignity?  The whole "economic freedom" and "states rights" nonsense is always invoked by conservatives as their excuse for opposing policies.  It lets them say "I oppose the civil rights act because states' rights," so they can avoid saying the real reason why they oppose it - because they're racist a-holes who think that the "right" to discriminate is a "right" worth defending.
 
2014-01-21 01:47:35 PM  

Phinn: Baz744: this bakery own remains free to believe homosexuality is immoral. He is not, however, free to discriminate against homosexuals in the public, commercial conduct of his business

The freedom of association says otherwise,


Can you direct me to any jurisprudence holding that a "freedom of association" protects a right to discriminate against anyone in the provision of public services?

but thanks for outlining the point where you think other people's freedoms end, control freak.

In constitutional terms, there is no right to discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of public services. My position that a person's public, commercial conduct is permissibly subject to state regulation is consistent with two centuries of American jurisprudence.

Your baseless, unprovoked personal attack reveals more about your character than mine. Are you man enough to apologize and acknowledge wrongdoing?

(shakes magic 8 ball)

"Signs point to 'no.'"
 
2014-01-21 01:48:11 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Agree or disagree with the personal views of the business owner, this is a sort of tyranny.  The guy has no problems selling cupcakes off the shelf to anybody.  Making a wedding cake is not the same.  It's an artistic endeavor.  Should some scary dumb hick christian be able to go to a gay liberal artist and ask, nay, demand, he paint them a picture of gays being burned in hell and sue the crap out of him if he refuses?


You added some content to your scenario here (gays being burned in hell) that makes your analogy a bit off target..

Tell me, what is the difference between a gay wedding cake and a straight one?  Side by side, could you tell the difference?  Just like the cupcakes.
 
2014-01-21 01:49:02 PM  
I would have just pissed in the cake at the very least.  Funny thing about farking with people that prepare your food.. it isn't a good idea to fark with people that prepare your food.

/had my dog pee in it too.
 
2014-01-21 01:49:05 PM  
Notto - "Segregationists used the Bible to justify their actions. "

That is an incorrect interpretation obviously.  As we all see, the Bible is misused and misquoted too much.  Boil it all down, God loves the sinner and hates the sin.  So do not contribute to the sinning action of others.
 
2014-01-21 01:49:26 PM  

mwfark: lennavan: mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.

Someone is forcing this lady to run a cake business?  Shiat, I missed that part of the article.

They are forcing her to serve people she doesn't want to serve, or they're forcing her out of business. Yes - there is force involved, and that's a problem in a free society.


How do you feel about them not serving successful and attractive African Americans?
 
2014-01-21 01:49:28 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Freedom of association does not mean that a license-holder can deny use of the power granted by that license to another citizen for any reason.



Yes, it does.

Freedom of association means that neither you nor the government you empower has the legitimate ability to issue or withhold "licenses" based on people's compliance with your association demands.

Licensing is not carte blanche to control everything about a person's business.  If that's what the licensing law pretends to assert, then the licensing law is itself unethical.
 
2014-01-21 01:50:05 PM  

Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?


October 29, 2009

When it comes to Federal Law, anyway.
 
2014-01-21 01:50:20 PM  

sdd2000: Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?

In May 2008, the  passing of the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act, or Senate Bill 200, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or transgender status in housing and public accommodations.


Lucky of us.
i43.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-21 01:50:23 PM  

Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?


I did not just read this.
 
2014-01-21 01:50:23 PM  
YOU MUST BE TOLERANT OF MY INTOLERANCE!

IT'S THE LAW!
 
2014-01-21 01:50:32 PM  

Hack Patooey: mwfark: lennavan: mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.

Someone is forcing this lady to run a cake business?  Shiat, I missed that part of the article.

They are forcing her to serve people she doesn't want to serve, or they're forcing her out of business. Yes - there is force involved, and that's a problem in a free society.

How do you feel about them not serving successful and attractive African Americans?


That's fine, but the ugly poor ones have to go around back and pick from the trashcans.
 
2014-01-21 01:50:44 PM  

Phinn: Baz744: mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.

In constitutional terms, no such right exists. The 10th Amendment says states have the right to police the health, safety, and morals of their residents; including by prohibiting immoral discrimination against homosexuals in provision of public services. I.e., states may permissibly punish evil people.

Forcing people to interact with other people is evil.


Nobody is forcing anyone to interact with anyone else. The baker may permissibly delegate the task he finds distasteful to an employee. Or, he may choose not to publicly sell baked goods at all.

Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.

My penis is four feet long.
 
2014-01-21 01:51:14 PM  

Baz744: In constitutional terms, there is no right to discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of public services.



There are no "public services."  That's an arbitrary construct, invented for the purpose of justifying the assertion of CONTROL over people's private lives.

And that's what makes you giddy -- control.
 
2014-01-21 01:51:24 PM  

notto: Tell me, what is the difference between a gay wedding cake and a straight one?  Side by side, could you tell the difference?  Just like the cupcakes.


Wedding cakes often have those cake topper things with a man and woman (or other combination of people). That might be a clue.
 
2014-01-21 01:52:20 PM  

Baz744: The baker may permissibly delegate the task he finds distasteful to an employee. Or, he may choose not to publicly sell baked goods at all.



That's not for you to say, control freak.
 
2014-01-21 01:52:36 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: I would have just pissed in the cake at the very least.  Funny thing about farking with people that prepare your food.. it isn't a good idea to fark with people that prepare your food.

/had my dog pee in it too.


Congratulations, you just elevated your criminal act from discrimination to something much worse, and will never get licensed from the state health inspector to run a food service business ever again.

Way to stick it to them homoqueers.
 
2014-01-21 01:52:46 PM  

Phinn: When you define what's "protected" by arbitrary rules, then there's no reason "political belief" can't become protected.


Well, cry me a river, Phinn. Until such point that humanity evolves to where it does not make decisions based on inherent stereotypical judgements and racial demographics, protected classes will be necessary.

In reality, our entire country was founded on the ideas of protected classes - namely freedom from religious doctrine in Government dealings, and the idea that the majority's tyranny through "popular opinion" should not determine policy.
 
2014-01-21 01:53:08 PM  
Meh, these bulls are just being martyrs. Anyone else would have gone home vented on their shiatty blog/Facebook, left a bad review on Yelp, and then found another baker. But in America when your feelings are hurt it's like someone just handed you a lawsuit lottery ticket for you to scratch off
 
2014-01-21 01:53:47 PM  

iheartscotch: I'm all for any business to refuse service; but, these guys did it the wrong way. Should have said that they were booked solid and couldn't possibly make another cake.


I'm going to agree in a limited way on principle, but this is a cake after all.   Its not required by law to stock same sex figures.  Refusing to at least substantially complete a "wedding cake" is where they went wrong.   They could have said. "We'll build you a cake like any other cake, but you'll have to provide your own topper if none of ours are suitable"..    I reluctantly support the principle of someone not providing spousal benefits IF the state you operate in does not recognize them.   The same for insurance provided birth control since the cost of buying your own generic pills at a pharmacy washes out from the cost of insurance anyway.

This is JUST A DAMN CAKE.   Make it and forget about it.  I've had enough years in retail management to know the time to argue with a paying customer is just about NEVER.   Obviously the cultural mores of Oregon seem to be that the community supports the lesbian couple.   I'd say that there must be other bakers that they could have gone to if their business took a hit financially.    It might have been enough to just hit them with public awareness

/BTW its quite common that one cannot legally provide food for sale out of a residential kitchen.   A visit from the local health board might have been the last nail in the coffin.
 
2014-01-21 01:53:48 PM  
This is a really tough issue, honest. I'm a super-Lib, and I just don't have the answer. On the one hand, discrimination against people of color is why this is an issue to begin with. If people weren't so thick-headed and backwards and would just love others 1/10 as they much as they love themselves this would all be over.

But that's never going to happen, people will always be tribal haters. So the question is then should we force business owners to serve people they don't want to serve? Logically no, people should be free to serve who they wish. It's their business, they are on the hook for P&L, it's their personal fortunes on the line, they have the most interest in doing right.

On the other hand, it was jag-offs like this who helped enforce Jim Crow laws. Their actions helped foster a separate and unequal society. If we allow people to openly discriminate then aren't we encouraging a return to this?

I do think that pharmacies have an obligation to sell to anyone. When it's someone's health in question, discrimination has to go. It just can't be. If you don't like selling things you don't feel are morally appropriate then I suggest another line of work. Would you be a paramedic and refuse to help drunk drivers?

The only action I see is the couple takes their business elsewhere and makes it plain and loud and clear to everyone what the bakery was up to. Let the free market and the neighborhood sort this one out. Not everything in the world needs a supreme court ruling.
 
2014-01-21 01:54:08 PM  

Phinn: Dr Dreidel: Freedom of association does not mean that a license-holder can deny use of the power granted by that license to another citizen for any reason.

Yes, it does.

Freedom of association means that neither you nor the government you empower has the legitimate ability to issue or withhold "licenses" based on people's compliance with your association demands.

Licensing is not carte blanche to control everything about a person's business.  If that's what the licensing law pretends to assert, then the licensing law is itself unethical.


www.leftycartoons.com
 
2014-01-21 01:54:13 PM  
Billygoat Gruff: But in America when your feelings are hurt civil rights are violated it's like someone just handed you a lawsuit lottery ticket for you to scratch off

FTFY.
 
2014-01-21 01:54:28 PM  

Phinn: Baz744: In constitutional terms, there is no right to discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of public services.

There are no "public services."  That's an arbitrary construct, invented for the purpose of justifying the assertion of CONTROL over people's private lives.

And that's what makes you giddy -- control.



Oh jesus christ give me a break.  So are you an anarchist, or do you just think that the government is "tyrannical" whenever it does something that you don't like?


I really wish I could drive 200 mph on the highway.  But the government, drunk on CONTROL, has told me that I can't do that.  When will this tyranny end?  Why can't I dump raw sewage in my front yard - ARE WE NOT A FREE SOCIETY?!?!??!
 
2014-01-21 01:54:38 PM  

Phinn: hardinparamedic: mark12A: Can't wait for the Neo-Nazi's to show up en masse on Fark preaching their crap, but private business owner Drew will be prevented BY LAW from throwing them out because DISCRIMINATION.

/It's a comfy bed you Libtards are setting up for yourselves.
//and yes, people WILL set up private bakeries, restaurants, etc. if this shiat gets much deeper, and America Balkanizes further....

Political belief is not a protected class.

When you define what's "protected" by arbitrary rules, then there's no reason "political belief" can't become protected.


If by "arbitrary rules" you mean "the legislative process," then sure. If you can get enough votes that can certainly happen.

But it's a stupid idea, so probably not.
 
2014-01-21 01:54:44 PM  

Mr. Right: So can a pro-abortion bakery owner be forced to make a Right To Life cake?  Can a black bakery owner be forced to make a cake for the anniversary celebration of the local KKK chapter?  Can a Kosher bakery owner be forced to bake a cake for a Neo-Nazi party?


Nope.
 
2014-01-21 01:54:56 PM  

totallyfubar: Notto - "Segregationists used the Bible to justify their actions. "

That is an incorrect interpretation obviously.  As we all see, the Bible is misused and misquoted too much.  Boil it all down, God loves the sinner and hates the sin.  So do not contribute to the sinning action of others.


Not so obviously to those who disagree with your interpretation.  Interpretations are like aholes.  Everybody has them.

Segregationist certainly did (and probably still do) consider copulation between races to be a sin as outline in their interpretation of the Bible.  This stuff is well documented history and is in the very court cases that were fought.   Doesn't make it right, but certainly makes the comparison to gay marriage and those who fight it on 'religious' grounds a valid comparison.
 
2014-01-21 01:55:25 PM  

hardinparamedic: Phinn: When you define what's "protected" by arbitrary rules, then there's no reason "political belief" can't become protected.

Well, cry me a river, Phinn. Until such point that humanity evolves to where it does not make decisions based on inherent stereotypical judgements and racial demographics, protected classes will be necessary.

In reality, our entire country was founded on the ideas of protected classes - namely freedom from religious doctrine in Government dealings, and the idea that the majority's tyranny through "popular opinion" should not determine policy.



Forced discrimination was the law, right before forced non-discrimination became the law.

Our entire country was founded on one of the essential "rights of Englishmen" -- the freedom of association and its commercial application, freedom of contract.

That was later erased by control freaks pretending to be smarter than everyone else.
 
2014-01-21 01:55:41 PM  

hardinparamedic: Phinn: When you define what's "protected" by arbitrary rules, then there's no reason "political belief" can't become protected.

Well, cry me a river, Phinn. Until such point that humanity evolves to where it does not make decisions based on inherent stereotypical judgements and racial demographics, protected classes will be necessary.

In reality, our entire country was founded on the ideas of protected classes - namely freedom from religious doctrine in Government dealings, and the idea that the majority's tyranny through "popular opinion" should not determine policy.


"Majority rule, minority rights"
 
2014-01-21 01:56:48 PM  
Chummer45

Discrimination against someone for what they are (ex. black) is biblically wrong.  Refusing to participate in a sinful ACT by others is not discrimination.  It would be like a black person asked me to sell them a gun vs. a chinese person asking me to sell them a gun to kill someone.  I would not sell to the one who is going to do something I find morrally wrong but I would sell to the other.
 
2014-01-21 01:57:11 PM  

notto: totallyfubar: Notto - "Segregationists used the Bible to justify their actions. "

That is an incorrect interpretation obviously.  As we all see, the Bible is misused and misquoted too much.  Boil it all down, God loves the sinner and hates the sin.  So do not contribute to the sinning action of others.

Not so obviously to those who disagree with your interpretation.  Interpretations are like aholes.  Everybody has them.

Segregationist certainly did (and probably still do) consider copulation between races to be a sin as outline in their interpretation of the Bible.  This stuff is well documented history and is in the very court cases that were fought.   Doesn't make it right, but certainly makes the comparison to gay marriage and those who fight it on 'religious' grounds a valid comparison.



If the bible is misused and misquoted too much, then maybe it's a bad idea to base our public policy on "biblical principles."
 
2014-01-21 01:57:54 PM  
I guess just going to another bakery was out of the question. Are they still waiting for that cake?
 
2014-01-21 01:58:09 PM  

totallyfubar: Chummer45

Discrimination against someone for what they are (ex. black) is biblically wrong.  Refusing to participate in a sinful ACT by others is not discrimination.  It would be like a black person asked me to sell them a gun vs. a chinese person asking me to sell them a gun to kill someone.  I would not sell to the one who is going to do something I find morrally wrong but I would sell to the other.



uh.... ok.....?  Nothing about what you said made any sense.
 
2014-01-21 01:58:15 PM  
Personally, I would have taken my business elsewhere. The best way to get rid of these bigots is to not give them your business.
 
2014-01-21 01:58:25 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: /BTW its quite common that one cannot legally provide food for sale out of a residential kitchen. A visit from the local health board might have been the last nail in the coffin.


It's a thing Underground foodie dining clubs.
 
2014-01-21 01:58:33 PM  
Phinn:

That was later erased by control freaks pretending to be smarter than everyone else.

Not smarter than everyone.
 
2014-01-21 01:59:03 PM  
BURN IT TO THE GROUND
 
2014-01-21 01:59:11 PM  

BMFPitt: Personally, if someone was being a dick to me, I wouldn't sue to be able to give them my business. Quite the opposite.

But welcome to America.


Maybe they are suing for the greater good of future generations not being discriminated against.

Some people can see past "what's in it for me today"
 
2014-01-21 01:59:50 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: hardinparamedic: Phinn: When you define what's "protected" by arbitrary rules, then there's no reason "political belief" can't become protected.

Well, cry me a river, Phinn. Until such point that humanity evolves to where it does not make decisions based on inherent stereotypical judgements and racial demographics, protected classes will be necessary.

In reality, our entire country was founded on the ideas of protected classes - namely freedom from religious doctrine in Government dealings, and the idea that the majority's tyranny through "popular opinion" should not determine policy.

"Majority rule, minority rights"



Since when our country was founded we still had slaves and indentured servants, and only landowning (white) men could vote, maybe we shouldn't be so ready to invoke "founding principles" in making our arguments.  Maybe it's better just to say "as an ethical and policy matter and in light of this country's history, we need to protect certain groups from discrimination."
 
2014-01-21 02:00:49 PM  

Leishu: If by "arbitrary rules" you mean "the legislative process," then sure. If you can get enough votes that can certainly happen.

But it's a stupid idea, so probably not.



Yeah, you're right.  All legislation is good and right and just.
 
2014-01-21 02:01:22 PM  

MJMaloney187: This is such BS.  "Cryer and Bowman filed a complaint alleging unlawful discrimination."

Cryer and Bowman should have their attention-whoring as*es run out of town. Go to a different baker for crying out loud.



And Rosa Parks should have just sat in the back of the god dammed bus!!!!

High five, bro!
 
2014-01-21 02:02:34 PM  
Notto

That is an incorrect interpretation obviously. As we all see, the Bible is misused and misquoted too much. Boil it all down, God loves the sinner and hates the sin. So do not contribute to the sinning action of others.

Not so obviously to those who disagree with your interpretation. Interpretations are like aholes. Everybody has them.

Segregationist certainly did (and probably still do) consider copulation between races to be a sin as outline in their interpretation of the Bible. This stuff is well documented history and is in the very court cases that were fought. Doesn't make it right, but certainly makes the comparison to gay marriage and those who fight it on 'religious' grounds a valid comparison.

If the bible is misused and misquoted too much, then maybe it's a bad idea to base our public policy on "biblical principles."



And according to the libs, it never was.
 
2014-01-21 02:02:36 PM  
There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?
 
2014-01-21 02:03:20 PM  

Chummer45: InterruptingQuirk: hardinparamedic: Phinn: When you define what's "protected" by arbitrary rules, then there's no reason "political belief" can't become protected.

Well, cry me a river, Phinn. Until such point that humanity evolves to where it does not make decisions based on inherent stereotypical judgements and racial demographics, protected classes will be necessary.

In reality, our entire country was founded on the ideas of protected classes - namely freedom from religious doctrine in Government dealings, and the idea that the majority's tyranny through "popular opinion" should not determine policy.

"Majority rule, minority rights"


Since when our country was founded we still had slaves and indentured servants, and only landowning (white) men could vote, maybe we shouldn't be so ready to invoke "founding principles" in making our arguments.  Maybe it's better just to say "as an ethical and policy matter and in light of this country's history, we need to protect certain groups from discrimination."



Maybe it's better to articulate a legitimate ethical principle, such as "everyone has the right to freely associate with whomever they choose, and no one has the right to force anyone who is peacefully associating to disassociate, nor to force anyone who is declining to associate to associate."

But that would require the capacity for abstract thought, which you haven't demonstrated the ability to employ.
 
2014-01-21 02:04:23 PM  

MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.


My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.
 
2014-01-21 02:04:30 PM  

Chummer45: Phinn: Baz744: In constitutional terms, there is no right to discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of public services.

There are no "public services."  That's an arbitrary construct, invented for the purpose of justifying the assertion of CONTROL over people's private lives.

And that's what makes you giddy -- control.


Oh jesus christ give me a break.  So are you an anarchist, or do you just think that the government is "tyrannical" whenever it does something that you don't like?


I really wish I could drive 200 mph on the highway.  But the government, drunk on CONTROL, has told me that I can't do that.  When will this tyranny end?  Why can't I dump raw sewage in my front yard - ARE WE NOT A FREE SOCIETY?!?!??!



I was on board with your reasoning until this....

Chummer45: Phinn: Baz744: In constitutional terms, there is no right to discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of public services.

There are no "public services."  That's an arbitrary construct, invented for the purpose of justifying the assertion of CONTROL over people's private lives.

And that's what makes you giddy -- control.


Oh jesus christ give me a break.  So are you an anarchist, or do you just think that the government is "tyrannical" whenever it does something that you don't like?


I really wish I could drive 200 mph on the highway.  But the government, drunk on CONTROL, has told me that I can't do that.  When will this tyranny end?  Why can't I dump raw sewage in my front yard - ARE WE NOT A FREE SOCIETY?!?!??!



What a governement drunk on control might look like
www.unmuseum.org
What all cakes in the future will look like:
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2014-01-21 02:04:50 PM  

DubtodaIll: You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?


Because these lezbos are uppity, breh
 
2014-01-21 02:04:53 PM  

SpectroBoy: Rosa Parks should have just sat in the back of the god dammed bus!!!!



Rosa Parks was the victim of government.
 
2014-01-21 02:05:30 PM  

Phinn: Baz744: In constitutional terms, there is no right to discriminate against homosexuals in the provision of public services.

There are no "public services."  That's an arbitrary construct,


These are actually incompatible thoughts. Either "public services" exist, or they do not. You've asserted here first that they do not exist, and second that they exist as an "arbitrary construct."

There is most certainly a legal designation for the public provision of goods and services in commerce. If you sat down in a law library, you could, with sufficient skill, parse out with some precision its full contours.

"Public, commercial services" certainly exists as a coherent concept, independent of the words used to describe it. They would exist whether or not we called them such. Unless you mean to say gravity did not exist before we identified and named it.

You may actually be correct that it was invented as a legal designation for the purposes of justifying control--though not over peoples' private lives, but rather over their public, commercial lives. And it certainly wasn't invented solely to justify control for the sake of control. Most likely it was invented to justify control over the provision of public services for the purpose of regulating some social evil, real or merely perceived.

And that's what makes you giddy -- control.

There two things in this world that actually make me giddy: 1) a certain female partner in an internationally renowned intellectual property law firm, and 2) quality time with my little boy.
 
2014-01-21 02:05:36 PM  

Weatherkiss: TrotlineDesigns: I would have just pissed in the cake at the very least.  Funny thing about farking with people that prepare your food.. it isn't a good idea to fark with people that prepare your food.

/had my dog pee in it too.

Congratulations, you just elevated your criminal act from discrimination to something much worse, and will never get licensed from the state health inspector to run a food service business ever again.

Way to stick it to them homoqueers.


Well, first of all I would have made the cake and moved on unless it was a bunch of dildos and what not.. then would have made two one for my wife to have a party with her friends with THAT BEING SAID I'm not good at being forced to do much of anything and yea.. I would have pissed in the cake like the employees spit in the food at McDonalds and don't get charged with criminal offenses and what not.

/Wouldn't be my first time in jail or criminal court
 
2014-01-21 02:05:51 PM  
so there's a bakery that makes wedding cakes that doesn't employ gay people.  my question is how good could the cakes possibly be?  the lesbian couple loses points for their poor pastry judgement.
 
2014-01-21 02:05:59 PM  

Headso: DubtodaIll: You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?

Because these lezbos are uppity, breh


Just seems selfish to me.
 
2014-01-21 02:06:13 PM  

DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?


When one of the bakery owners, Aaron Klein, discovered the cake was for a same-sex marriage, he called the couple "abominations unto the Lord" and made other comments that reduced the fiancée to tears, according to the complaint.
 
2014-01-21 02:06:46 PM  

Phinn: SpectroBoy: Rosa Parks should have just sat in the back of the god dammed bus!!!!

Rosa Parks was the victim of government.


treating black people  lesser than white people predates our government.
 
2014-01-21 02:06:50 PM  

doubled99: I guess just going to another bakery was out of the question. Are they still waiting for that cake?


I guess just sitting in the back of the bus was out of the question. Is Rosa Parks still waiting for that bus?
 
2014-01-21 02:07:06 PM  

Phinn: Our entire country was founded on one of the essential "rights of Englishmen" -- the freedom of association and its commercial application, freedom of contract.


Our country was also founded on the notion that, for certain bookkeeping purposes, people aren't always full people. The principle of its founding was that The People know how to govern themselves. Full stop.

If 3/4 of the state legislatures decided that Amendment 1 was too silly to keep around, the Founders would have no choice but to accept that We The People knew what the hell we were doing. Madison specifically said they'd prefer if we didn't rely on divinations of their minds (something about preferring not to attach religious significance to them and theirs) to figure it out.

That was later erased by control freaks pretending to be smarter than everyone else.

Sure. It's not like using the power of the state on the one hand to require business to get a license means you can't use the power on the other hand to ensure that any licensed business serves all of the people who granted that license - that would mean disenfranchising the proud business owners at the expense of the people that created, staffed, and enforced the law that separates their business assets from their private assets, the law that creates the rules and requirements of licensure, and the people that staff the courts they use to enforce or dissolve their contracts.

But I've had too many arguments with libertarians to continue. You don't think the state should have any power at all. So, we're done.
 
2014-01-21 02:07:13 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: I would have pissed in the cake like the employees spit in the food at McDonalds and don't get charged with criminal offenses and what not.

/Wouldn't be my first time in jail or criminal court


www.danielyerelian.com
 
2014-01-21 02:07:36 PM  
Fark is a weird place where Christians are the ultimate trump card.

Contrast this to the douchey-hipster article who wants government to prevent his neighbors from chopping down trees on their property because he likes those trees.  The Fark brigade is almost universally against the hipster douche siding with private property rights.

Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.

If there's ever a case where cops beat the snot out of anti-abortion demonstrators, the whole universe might divide by zero following the cognitive dissonance coming from fark.
 
2014-01-21 02:07:49 PM  

MyRandomName: The hilarious part is that you liberals always attempt economic boycotts to destroy those who disagree with you.


I thought you fake Libertarians loved the free market. You do realize that a Boycott is exactly that, right? The free market at work.

 Yet if any person attempted an economic boycott of a minority business, you would be outraged.

More likely we wouldn't notice, as the number of people with a lower IQ than their shoe size in the US is well beyond three standard deviations out, I think, these days. In order for a Boycott to work, it can't just be one or two mouthbreathers doing it, but you tell us how well your one idiot boycott of the Attractive and Successful African Americans goes, okay? I'm sure you'll make Stormfront's front page and have tens of fans.
 
2014-01-21 02:08:04 PM  

WillJM8528: Personally, I would have taken my business elsewhere. The best way to get rid of these bigots is to not give them your business.


That doesn't make them any more of a bigot than you are.  They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.
That whole 'right to refuse service' thing..

/No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service
//No more than 2 school aged children in store at one time
///I could go on
 
2014-01-21 02:08:11 PM  

DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?


To make an example of them and hopefully (like happened here) drive them out of business so that a business owner who will follow the law can take their place in the market.  It really is a win for everyone.

If tax dollars are going to provide infrastructure for business, that business cannot refuse service to the community providing it the privilege of using that infrastructure.  Having a business that is a public accommodation and that uses public resources is not a right, it is a privilege bound by laws, licencing, and codes.

It is just these bigoted cakemakers that got 'screwed'.  Law abiding cakemakers will take their place.
 
2014-01-21 02:09:39 PM  

Baz744: You may actually be correct that it was invented as a legal designation for the purposes of justifying control--though not over peoples' private lives, but rather over their public, commercial lives.



By labeling certain behavior "public," the government purported to legitimately assert control.  That's what "public" and "private" mean -- areas that can legitimately be controlled by government, and those that can't.  It's the same concept, using two different sets of words.

Do try to keep up.
 
2014-01-21 02:09:50 PM  

Witty_Retort: DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?

When one of the bakery owners, Aaron Klein, discovered the cake was for a same-sex marriage, he called the couple "abominations unto the Lord" and made other comments that reduced the fiancée to tears, according to the complaint.


Feelings are inconsequential.
 
2014-01-21 02:10:08 PM  
Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.
 
2014-01-21 02:10:13 PM  

Mr. Right: So can a pro-abortion bakery owner be forced to make a Right To Life cake?  Can a black bakery owner be forced to make a cake for the anniversary celebration of the local KKK chapter?  Can a Kosher bakery owner be forced to bake a cake for a Neo-Nazi party?

Regardless of one's position on gay marriage, this kind of lawsuit should be cause for concern to anyone who believes in free association.


Bears repeating.  These may not be among the special "protected classes", but all it would take is one lawsuit to change that.  Can't say I want to see this, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Ultimately, going to another bakery would've been the best option.  Instead, this couple has basically just intensified the divisiveness, rather than being the bigger people and moving on.  They may "win", but many people who are distrustful of what they call the "homosexual agenda" will now feel all the more justified in their views, rather than having an example that may be used against them.

But then, I guess I can't say I'm surprised.  Lawsuits are the weapons of the weak and get-rich-quick-schemers, and a jury trial for people who disagree with how others live their lives over a cake is exactly the kind of thing that makes people think of tyranny rather than education and open-mindedness.
 
2014-01-21 02:10:17 PM  

SpectroBoy: MJMaloney187: This is such BS.  "Cryer and Bowman filed a complaint alleging unlawful discrimination."

Cryer and Bowman should have their attention-whoring as*es run out of town. Go to a different baker for crying out loud.


And Rosa Parks should have just sat in the back of the god dammed bus!!!!

High five, bro!


For your information, Boy, Rosa Parks violated the direction of the bus driver. That's why she was arrested. Back then, bus drivers were the equivalent of flight attendants. If you're on a plane and the flight attendant says, "move" - for whatever reason - see what happens when you refuse.

Cryer and Bowman are attention whoring. Double synchronized period.
 
2014-01-21 02:10:44 PM  
Some friends and I werent allowed in a club in Germany one night. When we asked the door man why he said "You are Americans and you steal all the women." So I too, have known the sting of bigotry. We just laughed it off and went to the bar next door and spent our money there. But none of us were looking to be victims we just wanted to get drunk and chase women.
 
2014-01-21 02:10:59 PM  

stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

A

re you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.
 
2014-01-21 02:10:59 PM  

Phinn: Leishu: If by "arbitrary rules" you mean "the legislative process," then sure. If you can get enough votes that can certainly happen.

But it's a stupid idea, so probably not.

Yeah, you're right.  All legislation is good and right and just.


Yeah you're right. Girls who wear short skirts deserved to be rapes and White people are oppressed.

We were playing the "I can't think of an intelligent thing to say so I'll just make shiat up" game, right?
 
2014-01-21 02:11:06 PM  

Phinn: Baz744: The baker may permissibly delegate the task he finds distasteful to an employee. Or, he may choose not to publicly sell baked goods at all.

That's not for you to say, control freak.


In case you're wondering, I'm confident of two facts:

1) that your baseless, unprovoked personal attacks have no impact on my self-perception, and

2) that your baseless, unprovoked personal attacks have no effect on most other readers besides diminishing their evaluation of your character, or your position.
 
2014-01-21 02:11:15 PM  

karnal: I guess my sense of capitalism trumps any of my beliefs...If I owned a bakery I would sale a cake to anyone.....well, except the Irish.


That's not really discrimination because if you owned a bakery you most likely wouldn't even havea liquor licence.
 
2014-01-21 02:12:06 PM  
*raped, not that it matters that much when dealing with somebody possessed of the apparent literacy of a dead hamster.
 
2014-01-21 02:12:13 PM  

Billygoat Gruff: Some friends and I werent allowed in a club in Germany one night. When we asked the door man why he said "You are Americans and you steal all the women." So I too, have known the sting of bigotry. We just laughed it off and went to the bar next door and spent our money there. But none of us were looking to be victims we just wanted to get drunk and chase women.


That's unfortunate, I thought Germany had a high reputation for being open and tolerant of other nationalities.
 
2014-01-21 02:13:26 PM  
TrotlineDesigns:

They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.

They are getting public money via infrastructure and they are taking a spot in the market that could easily be filled by a business willing to follow the laws and accommodate the full community that provides them this infrastructure.
 
2014-01-21 02:13:48 PM  

SpectroBoy: BMFPitt: Personally, if someone was being a dick to me, I wouldn't sue to be able to give them my business. Quite the opposite.

But welcome to America.

Maybe they are suing for the greater good of future generations not being discriminated against.

Some people can see past "what's in it for me today"


Telling the internet about these asshats ran them effectively out of business, as it should have.

Taking it to court makes the couple worse than the bakery.
 
2014-01-21 02:14:06 PM  

Baz744: your baseless, unprovoked personal attacks have no impact on my self-perception



You're openly supporting the use of force against peaceful people, all because you don't like their cake-making decisions!

That makes you an asshole.  Calling you an asshole is therefore neither baseless nor unprovoked.


Baz744: your baseless, unprovoked personal attacks have no effect on most other readers besides diminishing their evaluation of your character, or your position



Your opinions have no impact on my self-perception.
 
2014-01-21 02:14:19 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.


Because this is also illegal.
 
2014-01-21 02:14:23 PM  

karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.


only if he doesn't confess to the priest.
 
2014-01-21 02:14:48 PM  

notto: TrotlineDesigns:

They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.

They are getting public money via infrastructure and they are taking a spot in the market that could easily be filled by a business willing to follow the laws and accommodate the full community that provides them this infrastructure.


For what it's worth, they aren't any more. They went out of business when their bigotry was exposed. I bet the "Libertarians" here have a problem with that.
 
2014-01-21 02:15:01 PM  

Phinn: By labeling certain behavior "public," the government purported to legitimately assert control. That's what "public" and "private" mean -- areas that can legitimately be controlled by government, and those that can't. It's the same concept, using two different sets of words.


That's not the distinction at all. Much "private" conduct is clearly subject to legitimate state regulation. Child abuse, possession of assorted contraband, and other "private" activities are routinely and legitimately regulated.
 
2014-01-21 02:16:08 PM  
karnal:

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.

I certainly could not sell them a wedding cake when the time comes if that is the case.
 
2014-01-21 02:16:13 PM  

karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.


Actually, if you need shiat about Catholicism, you would also know the stance on freedom of conscience
The Catholic Church has always held to the primacy of conscience and taught that individuals must follow their consciences even when they are wrong. (Vatican II, On Religious Liberty (1965), §2)
 This means, my retarded little poster, that Catholics can and are obliged to dissent from the Church when their conscience disagrees with it. Now who is moot?
 
2014-01-21 02:17:17 PM  
Actually, if you need  knew shiat about Catholicism, you would also know the stance on freedom of conscience
The Catholic Church has always held to the primacy of conscience and taught that individuals must follow their consciences even when they are wrong. (Vatican II, On Religious Liberty (1965), §2)
This means, my retarded little poster, that Catholics can and are obliged to dissent from the Church when their conscience disagrees with it. Now who is moot?
 
2014-01-21 02:17:28 PM  
So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.
 
2014-01-21 02:17:56 PM  

karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.


I've never met a Catholic that didn't engage in some sort of premarital sex.
 
2014-01-21 02:18:04 PM  

Baz744: Phinn: By labeling certain behavior "public," the government purported to legitimately assert control. That's what "public" and "private" mean -- areas that can legitimately be controlled by government, and those that can't. It's the same concept, using two different sets of words.

That's not the distinction at all. Much "private" conduct is clearly subject to legitimate state regulation. Child abuse, possession of assorted contraband, and other "private" activities are routinely and legitimately regulated.



People used to say that child abuse was a private matter, genius.

And in the context of forced discrimination law (and its modern flavor, forced non-discrimination), the designation of "public" and "private" corresponds with That Which Is Controllable and That Which Is Not.

As a Certified Control Freak, you should know that.
 
2014-01-21 02:18:17 PM  

karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.


well as with everything we can pick and choose what fits your agenda. I find it weird that libs have all this hate for christians but you can't get them to leave a black church when an election is coming up.

/I still laugh everytime I think of Hilary picking up the drawl when she was pandering to a black church.
 
2014-01-21 02:18:29 PM  
Headso: uh..this bigoted bakery couldn't even stay in business, what makes you think there would be an underground railroad funneling religious freak bigots to private bakeries?

It's already happening, especially with the religious whackjobs. The ranks of the Off-The-Grid bartering types is growing daily. They trade amongst themselves, have minimal interaction with outsiders. You don't need a bakery to bake a wedding cake. You do it in your own kitchen and barter it for ammo or other goods. I'm aware of it because I'm researching off-grid tech for my retirement farm, and getting magazines and visiting websites covering the subject matter.

To paraphrase the old Star Wars quote: "The more you tighten your grip, the more people will slip through your fingers"

TFA just motivates more people to cut loose from what they see as an increasingly heavy handed government, hell bent on imposing it's world view on the peons.

Stopping discrimination against someone trying to use a public supermarket, or doctor, or gas station is one thing, but coming down like a ton of bricks on a little bakery creeped out by TEH GAYS!! is seen as straight up government bullying.

Secret Private clubs, private trade networks are going to make a big comeback. And constricted trade resulting from that will degrade the prosperity of our society. The downward spiral steepens...
 
2014-01-21 02:18:55 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


This just in: beliefs and actions are not the same thing.
 
2014-01-21 02:19:13 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Fark is a weird place where Christians are the ultimate trump card.

Contrast this to the douchey-hipster article who wants government to prevent his neighbors from chopping down trees on their property because he likes those trees.  The Fark brigade is almost universally against the hipster douche siding with private property rights.

Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.

If there's ever a case where cops beat the snot out of anti-abortion demonstrators, the whole universe might divide by zero following the cognitive dissonance coming from fark.


The bakery is a PUBLIC accommodation. It is not a private property issue once you cross that line.

They could have created a private bakery and discriminated against all the icky gheys they want. But they didn't. They opened a public business and in doing so agreed to be bound by the law governing such a business.

Try to understand.
 
2014-01-21 02:19:31 PM  

notto: insertsnarkyusername: Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.

Because this is also illegal.


But impossible to prove. And there aren't set prices for wedding cakes. You get a quote based on what you want and the bill isn't itemized.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:11 PM  
I feel that stupidity should be self mitigating. Unfortunately it's not. Case in point: Honey Boo boo.

Is that still a thing? I cut my chord about 5 years ago. TV was making dumber.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:13 PM  

DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?


while I feel that suing the cakemaker was ridiculous (sorry gheys, it IS ridiculous to sue a cakemaker because they don't want to make you a cake) honestly we need these types of ridiculous lawsuits.

because the next dumbass bigot might just think twice.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:18 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: WillJM8528: Personally, I would have taken my business elsewhere. The best way to get rid of these bigots is to not give them your business.

That doesn't make them any more of a bigot than you are.  They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.
That whole 'right to refuse service' thing..

/No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service
//No more than 2 school aged children in store at one time
///I could go on


I'll help you 

/No darkies
// No homos
/// No jews

Is that really the world you want?
 
2014-01-21 02:20:33 PM  
I don't get it. This is illegal, but a theater company firing the Running Man chick because of her political beliefs is okay?
 
2014-01-21 02:20:38 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?

I did not just read this.


Why?

I believe a private business has the right to make the decisions that they feel are correct for their business (including the right to refuse service) unless they are breaking the law.

I don't have to agree with their decisions but they should be allowed to make them.  If they decide they're losing too much money from their decision they'll change their mind or go out of business.

I just didn't know the law in the state of Oregon or if there was a federal law that trumps the state.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:47 PM  

Itstoearly: So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.


You can always look at the other two idiots who asked the same inflammatory, moronic question in this thread and were answered accurately. Political affiliation is not a protected class, even stupid political affiliation.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:48 PM  

Headso: karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.

only if he doesn't confess to the priest.


I bet he would be in for a big tongue-lashing if he did confess.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:59 PM  

Gentoolive: Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."

And?

If you don't like the way someone conducts business, don't shop there.


and that comment just got favourited as being pro-racism.
some enlightened thinking there.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:15 PM  

Itstoearly: So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.


Do you understand the difference between an opinion and a trait?
This is a threshold question before I begin to tell you what's wrong with your post. If you don't understand the distinction, you won't be able to understand the explanation.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:28 PM  

notto: DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?

To make an example of them and hopefully (like happened here) drive them out of business so that a business owner who will follow the law can take their place in the market.  It really is a win for everyone.

If tax dollars are going to provide infrastructure for business, that business cannot refuse service to the community providing it the privilege of using that infrastructure.  Having a business that is a public accommodation and that uses public resources is not a right, it is a privilege bound by laws, licencing, and codes.

It is just these bigoted cakemakers that got 'screwed'.  Law abiding cakemakers will take their place.


Oh the "you didn't build that" argument.  We all pay taxes, we all pay for public infrastructure.  Therefore we've already attributed our right to free use of infrastructure in that we have already paid for it.  There is nothing owed beyond that point, especially not changing one's stance on debatable issues to reflect the popular flow of the time.  Of course I don't really see the relevance for that here as this is a case of two pairs of assholes having a who can shiat the biggest on a national stage contest.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:31 PM  

mwfark: lennavan: mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.

Someone is forcing this lady to run a cake business?  Shiat, I missed that part of the article.

They are forcing her to serve people she doesn't want to serve, or they're forcing her out of business. Yes - there is force involved, and that's a problem in a free society.


She shouldn't have to be forced to serve people she doesn't want to serve, it's an actual law on the books. Look it up sometime. As for forcing her out of business, she is doing that to herself by limiting her customer base. That and her disgusting attitude. You know that thing tighty-righty idiots are saying? If you don't like the business, don't shop there? They aren't! The people have spoken! There is no place for small minded people or their businesses. Good day, sir. I SAY GOOD DAY!
 
2014-01-21 02:21:33 PM  

Itstoearly: So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.


Nazis or skinheads are not a protected class.
Homophobes are not a protected class.
You are adding specific content/messaging to the cake that makes it different then refusing to sell the same cake to one party and not another.

The need to stretch the analogy demonstrates why the argument against public accomodation laws are so silly.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:52 PM  

DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?


See, i dont see the point of involving courts or government in this sort of situation but reading these douchebag cakemakers' quotes makes me kinda want to help put them out of business. *shrug*

One way to stay in business as a cake maker or otherwise is to not publically display your douchiness.

Nearly unrelated...but has anyone else noticed retailers being increasingly jackassish every year up through this Christmas? I swear I got like three "tough cookies...sucks to be you" style responses from managers this year after stores farked up. *sigh* It hurt, but I silently took my business elsewhere (pretty sure one of those businesses was woman-owned).
 
2014-01-21 02:21:56 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: WillJM8528: Personally, I would have taken my business elsewhere. The best way to get rid of these bigots is to not give them your business.

That doesn't make them any more of a bigot than you are.  They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.
That whole 'right to refuse service' thing..

/No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service
//No more than 2 school aged children in store at one time
///I could go on


In Colorado, a "we reserve the right to refuse service" sign is by itself a violation of the law. (Rule 20.4, from the PDF)

[TMYK.gif]
 
2014-01-21 02:21:59 PM  

Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."



4.bp.blogspot.com

cdn.cakecentral.com


halfsteppin.com

fc03.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-21 02:22:23 PM  

Billygoat Gruff: karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.

well as with everything we can pick and choose what fits your agenda. I find it weird that libs have all this hate for christians but you can't get them to leave a black church when an election is coming up.

/I still laugh everytime I think of Hilary picking up the drawl when she was pandering to a black church.

Mitt Romney laughs at your statement
images.politico.com
 
2014-01-21 02:22:47 PM  

MyRandomName: Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others.


This just in: views and actions are not the same thing either.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:01 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: notto: insertsnarkyusername: Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.

Because this is also illegal.

But impossible really easy to prove. And there aren't set prices for wedding cakes. You get a quote based on what you want and the bill isn't itemized.


Hi I'd like a cake, I'm straight.  $100?  Sweet.
Hi I'd like a cake, I'm gay.  $130?  Sweet.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:23 PM  
TrotlineDesigns:

/Wouldn't be my first time in jail or criminal court

Well that's certainly something to be proud of.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:50 PM  

Thunderpipes: I don't get it. This is illegal, but a theater company firing the Running Man chick because of her political beliefs is okay?


GASP! It's almost as if different states have different laws and POLITICAL VIEWS ARE NOT PROTECTED, for the fourth time. You'd save yourself looking like a blithering idiot if you bothered to read the thread.

But, then, that would imply a lack of intentionally stupid posts.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:53 PM  

Thunderpipes: I don't get it. This is illegal, but a theater company firing the Running Man chick because of her political beliefs is okay?


Apples are not oranges.  Maybe that is why you don't get it.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:55 PM  
goldurnded potstirrin hambonesectionals
 
2014-01-21 02:24:19 PM  

Phinn: Baz744: your baseless, unprovoked personal attacks have no impact on my self-perception

You're openly supporting the use of force against peaceful people, all because you don't like their cake-making decisions!


I'm supporting the enforcement of a constitutionally permissible, morally justified law against its transgressor. You've absurdly equated that in your mind with legally impermissible, morally unjustified use of force in other contexts. People almost universally recognize the distinction. They always have. They always will.

That makes you an asshole.  Calling you an asshole is therefore neither baseless nor unprovoked.

"Asshole" is principally a social designation. The problem for you is that the majority of fair-minded readers would conclude based on our dialogue not that I am an asshole--I have stayed well within the bounds of accepted social behavior--but that you are an asshole.

Note: I'm not saying you are an asshole. I'm saying that fair minded readers would conclude that you are. I say this not to attack you personally, but rather to rebut your assertion that your personal attacks against me are somehow well founded or justified.

Baz744: your baseless, unprovoked personal attacks have no effect on most other readers besides diminishing their evaluation of your character, or your position

Your opinions have no impact on my self-perception.


You would have a good point if I had asserted they do. But I do not. They do, however, impact others' perception of you.
 
2014-01-21 02:24:25 PM  

Guelph35: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?

I did not just read this.

Why?

I believe a private business has the right to make the decisions that they feel are correct for their business (including the right to refuse service) unless they are breaking the law.

I don't have to agree with their decisions but they should be allowed to make them.  If they decide they're losing too much money from their decision they'll change their mind or go out of business.

I just didn't know the law in the state of Oregon or if there was a federal law that trumps the state.


Look who doesn't understand the difference between "Protected Class" and "feelings"
 
2014-01-21 02:24:29 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.


You could've just posted "I don't know what I'm talking about" and saved a lot of words.

DubtodaIll: Witty_Retort: DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?

When one of the bakery owners, Aaron Klein, discovered the cake was for a same-sex marriage, he called the couple "abominations unto the Lord" and made other comments that reduced the fiancée to tears, according to the complaint.

Feelings are inconsequential.


But the law is not.

The couple is not suing the bakery. He insulted them enough that they filed a complaint with the AG. The AG investigated and found they had been wronged.

BMFPitt:
Taking it to court makes the couple worse than the bakery.

You could've just posted "I don't know what I'm talking about" and saved a lot of words.
 
2014-01-21 02:25:16 PM  

lennavan: insertsnarkyusername: notto: insertsnarkyusername: Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.

Because this is also illegal.

But impossible really easy to prove. And there aren't set prices for wedding cakes. You get a quote based on what you want and the bill isn't itemized.

Hi I'd like a cake, I'm straight.  $100?  Sweet.
Hi I'd like a cake, I'm gay.  $130?  Sweet.


What world do you live in that a wedding cake costs 100 dollars? This practice is also known as the bridezilla tax, it's fairly common for bakers and caterers to tack on say an extra ten percent if they think you are going to be a pain in the ass.
 
2014-01-21 02:25:23 PM  

notto: TrotlineDesigns:

They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.

They are getting public money via infrastructure and they are taking a spot in the market that could easily be filled by a business willing to follow the laws and accommodate the full community that provides them this infrastructure.


Never owned anything have ya? Well, that you worked for I mean
 
2014-01-21 02:25:37 PM  

lennavan: To all of you that have been praying for Aaron and I, I want to say thank you. I know that your prayers are being heard

Okay, so you know people were praying for you and you know God heard those prayers and you lost the court case.  So I'm thinkin maybe God isn't on your side for this one.



THIS. It's funny how they get to just say whatever they want is god's plan, but god himself apparently doesn't get to tell us. Not only that, they can't actually show us the letter or email or whatever that god sent to them to tell them what he wanted from this whole situation. Being that he's supposedly a being of ultimate power and wisdom this must by definition be what he wanted - for them to be prosecuted for being dicks to people trying to patronize their business.

In other words, they're just making up justifications with no proof whatsoever to do what they already want to do - be assholes to people that they don't think are like them.

Not only is it blasphemous for them to assert that they can speak for god but it's also explicitly counter to Christ's teachings to be so petty and unwelcoming to others as well.
 
2014-01-21 02:26:49 PM  

mongbiohazard: HIS. It's funny how they get to just say whatever they want is god's plan, but god himself apparently doesn't get to tell us. Not only that, they can't actually show us the letter or email or whatever that god sent to them to tell them what he wanted from this whole situation. Being that he's supposedly a being of ultimate power and wisdom this must by definition be what he wanted - for them to be prosecuted for being dicks to people trying to patronize their business.


Something I've learned in my 28 years of existence is that God's will is strangely ALWAYS the same as what the person telling me what it is wants from me.
 
2014-01-21 02:27:10 PM  
It's just another day in Your Gay Indoctrination.

Only a liberal would want the government to force someone to bake them a cake.
 
2014-01-21 02:27:22 PM  

mark12A: Headso: uh..this bigoted bakery couldn't even stay in business, what makes you think there would be an underground railroad funneling religious freak bigots to private bakeries?

It's already happening, especially with the religious whackjobs. The ranks of the Off-The-Grid bartering types is growing daily. They trade amongst themselves, have minimal interaction with outsiders. You don't need a bakery to bake a wedding cake. You do it in your own kitchen and barter it for ammo or other goods. I'm aware of it because I'm researching off-grid tech for my retirement farm, and getting magazines and visiting websites covering the subject matter.

To paraphrase the old Star Wars quote: "The more you tighten your grip, the more people will slip through your fingers"

TFA just motivates more people to cut loose from what they see as an increasingly heavy handed government, hell bent on imposing it's world view on the peons.

Stopping discrimination against someone trying to use a public supermarket, or doctor, or gas station is one thing, but coming down like a ton of bricks on a little bakery creeped out by TEH GAYS!! is seen as straight up government bullying.

Secret Private clubs, private trade networks are going to make a big comeback. And constricted trade resulting from that will degrade the prosperity of our society. The downward spiral steepens...


Way to take something cool like Americans making goods, growing food and providing services sound like some kind of corny rebellion, if there is an actual rise in Americans doing these things then good, I welcome the variety in produce, meat and homemade goods, clothing, art... I live in a rural area and what you describe is pretty much par for the course for many people here, I don't think it's anything new more likely you are personally getting more immersed in that hippyish lifestyle so it seems everyone is doing it.
 
2014-01-21 02:27:26 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Fark is a weird place where Christians are the ultimate trump card.

Contrast this to the douchey-hipster article who wants government to prevent his neighbors from chopping down trees on their property because he likes those trees.  The Fark brigade is almost universally against the hipster douche siding with private property rights.

Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.

If there's ever a case where cops beat the snot out of anti-abortion demonstrators, the whole universe might divide by zero following the cognitive dissonance coming from fark.


freedom of religion, man.  it is in direct opposition to general "freedom", but since america was basically FOUNDED on being able to worship the way one wishes, it is getting into some dark water.

A christian baker should be able to say no to a homosexual customer. the homosexual lifestyle is in direct contradiction to what the religion preaches.

they just should be able to.

however the law makes it wrong.

in this case, however, the gay people wanting the cake are wrong - even if the man said some "i hate the homogheys" stuff.  because freedom of speech.

on the other hand, fark you bigot.

i'm torn.
 
2014-01-21 02:27:35 PM  

BalugaJoe: Money is money.  What is wrong with these people.


Seriously, we're talking the conservative machine here.  By refusing and hitting the conservative press, they'll be inundated with all kinds of offers.
First, a collection to take care of immediate needs - rent, food, etc.
Then, interviews running the gamut of the conservatalkmarketing shows
They'll be touted as heroes - the hubby, a man among men
Next, the book deal!  "How I stood up to the meany nasties for JJJEESSSUUUSSS"


/money is money
//conservative money can make you rich if you play it right
///oh, speaking tours too
 
2014-01-21 02:28:08 PM  

DubtodaIll: Oh the "you didn't build that" argument. We all pay taxes, we all pay for public infrastructure. Therefore we've already attributed our right to free use of infrastructure in that we have already paid for it. There is nothing owed beyond that point, especially not changing one's stance on debatable issues to reflect the popular flow of the time.



Isn't self-referential rationalization just spectacular to behold?

Let's see -- the government forces everyone to pay for roads, and it controls the entire road-building and city-planning business, thereby requiring everyone to use the government's roads just to live, and then points to people's use of government roads to JUSTIFY expanding the government's control over every other aspect of people's lives.

Brilliant.

It's like stealing someone's food, and then when you give it back to him, claiming that he owes you his life in perpetuity for feeding him.
 
2014-01-21 02:28:34 PM  

notto: Itstoearly: So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.

Nazis or skinheads are not a protected class.
Homophobes are not a protected class.
You are adding specific content/messaging to the cake that makes it different then refusing to sell the same cake to one party and not another.

The need to stretch the analogy demonstrates why the argument against public accomodation laws are so silly.


Yep, if lesbian bakers said something like "We don't make cakes for breeders", then they would be breaking the law, by discriminating based upon sexual preference.
 
2014-01-21 02:29:05 PM  

SpectroBoy: CivicMindedFive: Fark is a weird place where Christians are the ultimate trump card.

Contrast this to the douchey-hipster article who wants government to prevent his neighbors from chopping down trees on their property because he likes those trees.  The Fark brigade is almost universally against the hipster douche siding with private property rights.

Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.

If there's ever a case where cops beat the snot out of anti-abortion demonstrators, the whole universe might divide by zero following the cognitive dissonance coming from fark.

The bakery is a PUBLIC accommodation. It is not a private property issue once you cross that line.

They could have created a private bakery and discriminated against all the icky gheys they want. But they didn't. They opened a public business and in doing so agreed to be bound by the law governing such a business.

Try to understand.


You try to understand.  When you can walk into a bakery and buy a wedding cake off the shelf, it would be a public accommodation.  Forcing a baker to participate in something he disagrees with is not.

These lesbians and their supporters as well as douchy-hipster-tree-lover both want to use the heavy boot of government to smash the face of those who don't agree with their views.
 
2014-01-21 02:29:06 PM  

darth_badger: Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."


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Very creative and disgusting. That does not look like food.
 
2014-01-21 02:29:18 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: lennavan:

Hi I'd like a cake, I'm straight.  $100?  Sweet.
Hi I'd like a cake, I'm gay.  $130?  Sweet.

What world do you live in that a wedding cake costs 100 dollars?


One where I felt like larger numbers would have been too difficult for you to understand.  Considering your reply focused on the number rather than the very clear illustration as to how it would be exceedingly simple to prove, I was right, wasn't I?
 
2014-01-21 02:29:41 PM  

frepnog: A christian baker should be able to say no to a homosexual customer. the homosexual lifestyle is in direct contradiction to what the religion preaches.

they just should be able to.


Up until the 1970s, Mormons believed that all black people were sinners. Should they have been able to refuse service to black people?
 
2014-01-21 02:30:37 PM  
TrotlineDesigns:
Never owned anything have ya? Well, that you worked for I mean

I owned your mother last night but you are right, I didn't have to work for it.
 
2014-01-21 02:31:10 PM  
I think that guy from Philipsburg should sue the shoprite for discrimination for refusing to put "happy birthday Adolf Hitler" on his sons cake.
 
2014-01-21 02:31:37 PM  

susler: If god was really on everyone's side who claims it, we wouldn't have gay marriage anywhere, the 10 commandments would be on every courthouse wall and storekeepers would be shot for saying "happy holidays"

Suck it, everyone who wears their religion and/or their politics on their sleeve.


Don't forget their gayness.
 
2014-01-21 02:32:03 PM  
Witty_Retort:

DubtodaIll: Witty_Retort: DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?

When one of the bakery owners, Aaron Klein, discovered the cake was for a same-sex marriage, he called the couple "abominations unto the Lord" and made other comments that reduced the fiancée to tears, according to the complaint.

Feelings are inconsequential.

But the law is not.

The couple is not suing the bakery. He insulted them enough that they filed a complaint with the AG. The AG investigated and found they had been wronged.



Yeah the laws the law and should be paid attention to at all times.  It just doesn't seem just to punish someone who would otherwise be successful and harmless unless the "victim" hadn't been offended and that law exist to protect people from being offended.  I don't think either side is in the right here but the law does prefer the lesbian couple in this situation.  While I doubt feelings can ever by removed from the justice process as long as humans are administering the law, I can't see how feelings, which are impossible to verify or prove in any philosophical or scientific way, are able to be proven and acted upon by the law.
 
2014-01-21 02:32:21 PM  

CivicMindedFive: When you can walk into a bakery and buy a wedding cake off the shelf, it would be a public accommodation.  Forcing a baker to participate in something he disagrees with is not.


Know how I know you don't know what the definition of a public accommodation is?
Allow me to help:
Colorado 24-34-601: Discrimination in places of public accommodation
(1) As used in this part 6, "place of public accommodation" means any place of business engaged in any sales to the public and any place offering services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations to the public, including but not limited to any business offering wholesale or retail sales to the public; any place to eat, drink, sleep, or rest, or any combination thereof; any sporting or recreational area and facility; any public transportation facility; a barber shop, bathhouse, swimming pool, bath, steam or massage parlor, gymnasium, or other establishment conducted to serve the health, appearance, or physical condition of a person; a campsite or trailer camp; a dispensary, clinic, hospital, convalescent home, or other institution for the sick, ailing, aged, or infirm; a mortuary, undertaking parlor, or cemetery; an educational institution; or any public building, park, arena, theater, hall, auditorium, museum, library, exhibit, or public facility of any kind whether indoor or outdoor. "Place of public accommodation" shall not include a church, synagogue, mosque, or other place that is principally used for religious purposes.
 
2014-01-21 02:33:18 PM  

Guelph35: I believe a private business has the right to make the decisions that they feel are correct for their business (including the right to refuse service) unless they are breaking the law.



frepnog: DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?

while I feel that suing the cakemaker was ridiculous (sorry gheys, it IS ridiculous to sue a cakemaker because they don't want to make you a cake) honestly we need these types of ridiculous lawsuits.

because the next dumbass bigot might just think twice.


Are you now contending people may grow out of ignorant, destructive phases of their life?
 
2014-01-21 02:33:21 PM  

ValisIV: Yep, if lesbian bakers said something like "We don't make cakes for breeders", then they would be breaking the law, by discriminating based upon sexual preference.


and yet no suits would be filed, and if they were they would get no traction.

i guarantee you there is at least one black owned bakery out there that wouldn't make a cake for a white person even at gun point.  because racism is real.

and still no suit would get traction.
 
2014-01-21 02:33:34 PM  

stpauler: karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.

Actually, if you need shiat about Catholicism, you would also know the stance on freedom of conscience
The Catholic Church has always held to the primacy of conscience and taught that individuals must follow their consciences even when they are wrong. (Vatican II, On Religious Liberty (1965), §2)
 This means, my retarded little poster, that Catholics can and are obliged to dissent from the Church when their conscience disagrees with it. Now who is moot?



And who is without a wedding cake because I damn sure won't be making one for you fornicating sinners....unless, of course, the government tells me to.


and the Catholic church says:
Pre-marital sex is selfish
Pre-marital sex is unloving
 and
Pre-marital sex is a misuse of our sexuality
 
2014-01-21 02:33:53 PM  

Phinn: DubtodaIll: Oh the "you didn't build that" argument. We all pay taxes, we all pay for public infrastructure. Therefore we've already attributed our right to free use of infrastructure in that we have already paid for it. There is nothing owed beyond that point, especially not changing one's stance on debatable issues to reflect the popular flow of the time.

Isn't self-referential rationalization just spectacular to behold?

Let's see -- the government forces everyone to pay for roads, and it controls the entire road-building and city-planning business, thereby requiring everyone to use the government's roads just to live, and then points to people's use of government roads to JUSTIFY expanding the government's control over every other aspect of people's lives.

Brilliant.

It's like stealing someone's food, and then when you give it back to him, claiming that he owes you his life in perpetuity for feeding him.


Well it all must have worked pretty good if we are down to arguing about lesbians not getting a cake made for them.
 
2014-01-21 02:34:00 PM  
How smart is it to force someone who doesn't want to make you something to eat to make you something to eat?

/Something to eat. You. Force.
 
2014-01-21 02:34:56 PM  

DubtodaIll: I can't see how feelings, which are impossible to verify or prove in any philosophical or scientific way, are able to be proven and acted upon by the law.


They don't need to, nor are feelings part of the law: this is purely objective. The baker found out they were gay and refused service on those grounds. Their level of offense is irrelevant, as all that matters is the baker operates a public business, and the baker refused service for a reason that's illegal.
 
2014-01-21 02:35:05 PM  
One would think that a man wearing earrings would be a little more tolerant of diversity.

Guess not, in this case.
 
2014-01-21 02:35:42 PM  

lennavan: insertsnarkyusername: lennavan:

Hi I'd like a cake, I'm straight.  $100?  Sweet.
Hi I'd like a cake, I'm gay.  $130?  Sweet.

What world do you live in that a wedding cake costs 100 dollars?

One where I felt like larger numbers would have been too difficult for you to understand.  Considering your reply focused on the number rather than the very clear illustration as to how it would be exceedingly simple to prove, I was right, wasn't I?


It's not simple to prove. You've obviously never once worked in this industry. Say I own a bakery and you come in and say you are having a wedding. I say ok, you tell me the number of guests, the size of portions, the design, what kind of cake you want, what kind of icing you want and if you want the cake to be one type or multiple types. Then I do a mental calculation on ingredients, labor, use of kitchen space and then add on profit. Then I give you a number. That's how it works.

Two of my friends are getting married, big gay wedding except one of them is a bit of a groomzilla which is why I go with them to meet caterers and bakers. Just having an idea of how much things cost to produce and average profit margins will save you money. I also know caterer's who only do weddings because they can charge 20 percent more for the same service as a party.
 
2014-01-21 02:35:56 PM  

Theaetetus: frepnog: A christian baker should be able to say no to a homosexual customer. the homosexual lifestyle is in direct contradiction to what the religion preaches.

they just should be able to.

Up until the 1970s, Mormons believed that all black people were sinners. Should they have been able to refuse service to black people?


yes.  is it right?  no.  but freedom of religion is what it is, either we have it or we do not, and freedom of religion should trump your hurt feelings.

or just say fark it, religion means nothing, tax them same as any other business and get on with it.
 
2014-01-21 02:36:03 PM  

Weatherkiss: Billygoat Gruff: Some friends and I werent allowed in a club in Germany one night. When we asked the door man why he said "You are Americans and you steal all the women." So I too, have known the sting of bigotry. We just laughed it off and went to the bar next door and spent our money there. But none of us were looking to be victims we just wanted to get drunk and chase women.

That's unfortunate, I thought Germany had a high reputation for being open and tolerant of other nationalities.



You would be surprised. I was stationed there for 5 years. They biatch about their immigration problem the same way we do here, well that is to say the people I met did, and a lot of them were young people, bu they werent all Nazi-ish either. Assholes are everywhere dude, America hasn't cornered the market on it. Things are tough all over at ground level. But as with any country who values tourist dollars your going to get something slick and shiney and not exactly truthful.But overall my experience in Germany was amazing it was just that one night that sticks out only because it makes me laugh. How many of you havent been allowed in a bar because you were too good with the ladies?
 
2014-01-21 02:36:19 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: It's just another day in Your Gay Indoctrination.

Only a liberal would want the government to force someone to bake them a cake.


At this point, I personally would prefer that he did not bake them a cake. But rather that he pay them substantial damages for his evil choice to subject moral persons conducting themselves lawfully to dehumanizing discrimination in the provision of public services.

Earlier I asked for this baker's apologists to produce any Bible passage requiring Jehovah religionists to discriminate in the provision of public services against homosexuals. No such passage has been produced.

This man is not acting according to any religious compulsion. He is acting solely on his desire to treat a hated class of persons as second class citizens. He is of bad moral character, and because of his actions, he deserves to be punished. And he will be.
 
2014-01-21 02:37:08 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: It's just another day in Your Gay Indoctrination.

Only a liberal would want the government to force someone to bake them a cake.



It's not about the cake.  No one wants a cake made by someone who dislikes him.  Obvi.

The medium is the message.  The superficial message from the government here is: YOU MUST BAKE CAKES FOR THE GAYS.

But the superficial message is unimportant.  It's the import of the communication that matters, the subtext.  Here, the real, unspoken message is: WE CONTROL YOUR BUSINESS.

Arbitrary compliance with fake-rules is what Drill Instructors do to recruits, or what fraternities do to pledges.  The government could make a rule that says, "No baking blue cakes on Thursdays."  Or "You MUST bake blue cakes on Thursdays."  Kind of how it goes from mandating racial discrimination one week, to prohibiting it the next.

The point is not the presence or absence of blue cakes.  The content of the rule doesn't matter.  The EXISTENCE of the rule is what matters, because having a rule is what defines the role of the "governed" as one of submission to authority.

In fact, the more trivial the rule is, the better it is for its use as a tool of symbolic submission.
 
2014-01-21 02:37:26 PM  
Can you imagine the collective support on the right for the baker who refuses to bake a religious themed cake?  I'm sure the right would support their freedom.
 
2014-01-21 02:37:56 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: It's not simple to prove. You've obviously never once worked in this industry. Say I own a bakery and you come in and say you are having a wedding. I say ok, you tell me the number of guests, the size of portions, the design, what kind of cake you want, what kind of icing you want and if you want the cake to be one type or multiple types. Then I do a mental calculation on ingredients, labor, use of kitchen space and then add on profit. Then I give you a number.


A number such as $100.  Now guess what I'm gonna suggest happens next in order to prove you charge gay customers more?
 
2014-01-21 02:38:11 PM  

frepnog: Theaetetus: frepnog: A christian baker should be able to say no to a homosexual customer. the homosexual lifestyle is in direct contradiction to what the religion preaches.

they just should be able to.

Up until the 1970s, Mormons believed that all black people were sinners. Should they have been able to refuse service to black people?

yes.  is it right?  no.  but freedom of religion is what it is, either we have it or we do not, and freedom of religion should trump your hurt feelings.

or just say fark it, religion means nothing, tax them same as any other business and get on with it.


... you do realize that we're talking about a baker, not a church, right? They  are taxed the same as any other bakery.

And no, selling cakes is not part of their religion. They are absolutely free to go home and worship however they want in absolute freedom. They are not free to engage in a public business in a discriminatory manner, and then claim that they were really performing a religious service so that they don't have to obey the law.
 
2014-01-21 02:38:28 PM  
Tolerance does not equal Acceptance

It is more than a bit disingenuous to claim moral superiority because you accept or approve of something. "Oh yeah, I think the things that I like are just nifty, and that makes me a good person", as it were.

The real moral winner is the fellow who does not approve, who does not accept, yet still tolerates the things that he does not approve or accept.

But the majority of the posters here would seem to demand that nothing short of full acceptance and approval of homosexuality will do. The amusing thing is that these posters don't view themselves as bigots -- they consider themselves quite open-minded.
 
2014-01-21 02:39:26 PM  
It'd be best if people are free to act like a dickwad and face the court of public opinion, which can be BRUTAL. But that's only a solution when there's already a large degree of acceptance out there, so you can be assured that Tumblr-activists will rally behind you.

Racial discrimination these days is definitely a matter of "Fark you, I'm going across the street and kiss your yelp rating goodbye." Racial discrimination 80 years ago was a VERY different thing, and that's why the law is on the books now. You can't have a law that's only enforced when it's really bad and turns into a slap on the wrist when it's rare.

There is a little bit of unnecessary vengeance in the gals suing for discrimination, especially when they knew they'd have no trouble stirring up an internet hornet's nest.
 
2014-01-21 02:41:12 PM  

Syrrh: Racial discrimination 80 years ago was a VERY different thing, and that's why the law is on the books now.



Racial discrimination 80 years ago WAS THE LAW.  IT WAS REQUIRED.
 
2014-01-21 02:41:21 PM  

letrole: The real moral winner is the fellow who does not approve, who does not accept, yet still tolerates the things that he does not approve or accept.


Okay.

letrole: But the majority of the posters here would seem to demand that nothing short of full acceptance and approval of homosexuality will do. The amusing thing is that these posters don't view themselves as bigots -- they consider themselves quite open-minded.


And you won't tolerate it!