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(Think Progress)   Bakery that refused to sell wedding cake to lesbian couple found to have discriminated, its owner saying it's part of 'God's plan'. Sure, if God's plan for you is a jury trial   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 676
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2014-01-21 02:14:19 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.


Because this is also illegal.
 
2014-01-21 02:14:23 PM  

karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.


only if he doesn't confess to the priest.
 
2014-01-21 02:14:48 PM  

notto: TrotlineDesigns:

They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.

They are getting public money via infrastructure and they are taking a spot in the market that could easily be filled by a business willing to follow the laws and accommodate the full community that provides them this infrastructure.


For what it's worth, they aren't any more. They went out of business when their bigotry was exposed. I bet the "Libertarians" here have a problem with that.
 
2014-01-21 02:15:01 PM  

Phinn: By labeling certain behavior "public," the government purported to legitimately assert control. That's what "public" and "private" mean -- areas that can legitimately be controlled by government, and those that can't. It's the same concept, using two different sets of words.


That's not the distinction at all. Much "private" conduct is clearly subject to legitimate state regulation. Child abuse, possession of assorted contraband, and other "private" activities are routinely and legitimately regulated.
 
2014-01-21 02:16:08 PM  
karnal:

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.

I certainly could not sell them a wedding cake when the time comes if that is the case.
 
2014-01-21 02:16:13 PM  

karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.


Actually, if you need shiat about Catholicism, you would also know the stance on freedom of conscience
The Catholic Church has always held to the primacy of conscience and taught that individuals must follow their consciences even when they are wrong. (Vatican II, On Religious Liberty (1965), §2)
 This means, my retarded little poster, that Catholics can and are obliged to dissent from the Church when their conscience disagrees with it. Now who is moot?
 
2014-01-21 02:17:17 PM  
Actually, if you need  knew shiat about Catholicism, you would also know the stance on freedom of conscience
The Catholic Church has always held to the primacy of conscience and taught that individuals must follow their consciences even when they are wrong. (Vatican II, On Religious Liberty (1965), §2)
This means, my retarded little poster, that Catholics can and are obliged to dissent from the Church when their conscience disagrees with it. Now who is moot?
 
2014-01-21 02:17:28 PM  
So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.
 
2014-01-21 02:17:56 PM  

karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.


I've never met a Catholic that didn't engage in some sort of premarital sex.
 
2014-01-21 02:18:04 PM  

Baz744: Phinn: By labeling certain behavior "public," the government purported to legitimately assert control. That's what "public" and "private" mean -- areas that can legitimately be controlled by government, and those that can't. It's the same concept, using two different sets of words.

That's not the distinction at all. Much "private" conduct is clearly subject to legitimate state regulation. Child abuse, possession of assorted contraband, and other "private" activities are routinely and legitimately regulated.



People used to say that child abuse was a private matter, genius.

And in the context of forced discrimination law (and its modern flavor, forced non-discrimination), the designation of "public" and "private" corresponds with That Which Is Controllable and That Which Is Not.

As a Certified Control Freak, you should know that.
 
2014-01-21 02:18:17 PM  

karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.


well as with everything we can pick and choose what fits your agenda. I find it weird that libs have all this hate for christians but you can't get them to leave a black church when an election is coming up.

/I still laugh everytime I think of Hilary picking up the drawl when she was pandering to a black church.
 
2014-01-21 02:18:29 PM  
Headso: uh..this bigoted bakery couldn't even stay in business, what makes you think there would be an underground railroad funneling religious freak bigots to private bakeries?

It's already happening, especially with the religious whackjobs. The ranks of the Off-The-Grid bartering types is growing daily. They trade amongst themselves, have minimal interaction with outsiders. You don't need a bakery to bake a wedding cake. You do it in your own kitchen and barter it for ammo or other goods. I'm aware of it because I'm researching off-grid tech for my retirement farm, and getting magazines and visiting websites covering the subject matter.

To paraphrase the old Star Wars quote: "The more you tighten your grip, the more people will slip through your fingers"

TFA just motivates more people to cut loose from what they see as an increasingly heavy handed government, hell bent on imposing it's world view on the peons.

Stopping discrimination against someone trying to use a public supermarket, or doctor, or gas station is one thing, but coming down like a ton of bricks on a little bakery creeped out by TEH GAYS!! is seen as straight up government bullying.

Secret Private clubs, private trade networks are going to make a big comeback. And constricted trade resulting from that will degrade the prosperity of our society. The downward spiral steepens...
 
2014-01-21 02:18:55 PM  

HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


This just in: beliefs and actions are not the same thing.
 
2014-01-21 02:19:13 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Fark is a weird place where Christians are the ultimate trump card.

Contrast this to the douchey-hipster article who wants government to prevent his neighbors from chopping down trees on their property because he likes those trees.  The Fark brigade is almost universally against the hipster douche siding with private property rights.

Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.

If there's ever a case where cops beat the snot out of anti-abortion demonstrators, the whole universe might divide by zero following the cognitive dissonance coming from fark.


The bakery is a PUBLIC accommodation. It is not a private property issue once you cross that line.

They could have created a private bakery and discriminated against all the icky gheys they want. But they didn't. They opened a public business and in doing so agreed to be bound by the law governing such a business.

Try to understand.
 
2014-01-21 02:19:31 PM  

notto: insertsnarkyusername: Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.

Because this is also illegal.


But impossible to prove. And there aren't set prices for wedding cakes. You get a quote based on what you want and the bill isn't itemized.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:11 PM  
I feel that stupidity should be self mitigating. Unfortunately it's not. Case in point: Honey Boo boo.

Is that still a thing? I cut my chord about 5 years ago. TV was making dumber.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:13 PM  

DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?


while I feel that suing the cakemaker was ridiculous (sorry gheys, it IS ridiculous to sue a cakemaker because they don't want to make you a cake) honestly we need these types of ridiculous lawsuits.

because the next dumbass bigot might just think twice.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:18 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: WillJM8528: Personally, I would have taken my business elsewhere. The best way to get rid of these bigots is to not give them your business.

That doesn't make them any more of a bigot than you are.  They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.
That whole 'right to refuse service' thing..

/No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service
//No more than 2 school aged children in store at one time
///I could go on


I'll help you 

/No darkies
// No homos
/// No jews

Is that really the world you want?
 
2014-01-21 02:20:33 PM  
I don't get it. This is illegal, but a theater company firing the Running Man chick because of her political beliefs is okay?
 
2014-01-21 02:20:38 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?

I did not just read this.


Why?

I believe a private business has the right to make the decisions that they feel are correct for their business (including the right to refuse service) unless they are breaking the law.

I don't have to agree with their decisions but they should be allowed to make them.  If they decide they're losing too much money from their decision they'll change their mind or go out of business.

I just didn't know the law in the state of Oregon or if there was a federal law that trumps the state.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:47 PM  

Itstoearly: So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.


You can always look at the other two idiots who asked the same inflammatory, moronic question in this thread and were answered accurately. Political affiliation is not a protected class, even stupid political affiliation.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:48 PM  

Headso: karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.

only if he doesn't confess to the priest.


I bet he would be in for a big tongue-lashing if he did confess.
 
2014-01-21 02:20:59 PM  

Gentoolive: Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."

And?

If you don't like the way someone conducts business, don't shop there.


and that comment just got favourited as being pro-racism.
some enlightened thinking there.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:15 PM  

Itstoearly: So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.


Do you understand the difference between an opinion and a trait?
This is a threshold question before I begin to tell you what's wrong with your post. If you don't understand the distinction, you won't be able to understand the explanation.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:28 PM  

notto: DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?

To make an example of them and hopefully (like happened here) drive them out of business so that a business owner who will follow the law can take their place in the market.  It really is a win for everyone.

If tax dollars are going to provide infrastructure for business, that business cannot refuse service to the community providing it the privilege of using that infrastructure.  Having a business that is a public accommodation and that uses public resources is not a right, it is a privilege bound by laws, licencing, and codes.

It is just these bigoted cakemakers that got 'screwed'.  Law abiding cakemakers will take their place.


Oh the "you didn't build that" argument.  We all pay taxes, we all pay for public infrastructure.  Therefore we've already attributed our right to free use of infrastructure in that we have already paid for it.  There is nothing owed beyond that point, especially not changing one's stance on debatable issues to reflect the popular flow of the time.  Of course I don't really see the relevance for that here as this is a case of two pairs of assholes having a who can shiat the biggest on a national stage contest.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:31 PM  

mwfark: lennavan: mwfark: So a lady is forced to do something against her will in a supposedly free society, and some people call this progress. I call it tyranny, and while I personally disagree with her position, I do think she should have the right to run her business as she sees fit.

Someone is forcing this lady to run a cake business?  Shiat, I missed that part of the article.

They are forcing her to serve people she doesn't want to serve, or they're forcing her out of business. Yes - there is force involved, and that's a problem in a free society.


She shouldn't have to be forced to serve people she doesn't want to serve, it's an actual law on the books. Look it up sometime. As for forcing her out of business, she is doing that to herself by limiting her customer base. That and her disgusting attitude. You know that thing tighty-righty idiots are saying? If you don't like the business, don't shop there? They aren't! The people have spoken! There is no place for small minded people or their businesses. Good day, sir. I SAY GOOD DAY!
 
2014-01-21 02:21:33 PM  

Itstoearly: So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.


Nazis or skinheads are not a protected class.
Homophobes are not a protected class.
You are adding specific content/messaging to the cake that makes it different then refusing to sell the same cake to one party and not another.

The need to stretch the analogy demonstrates why the argument against public accomodation laws are so silly.
 
2014-01-21 02:21:52 PM  

DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?


See, i dont see the point of involving courts or government in this sort of situation but reading these douchebag cakemakers' quotes makes me kinda want to help put them out of business. *shrug*

One way to stay in business as a cake maker or otherwise is to not publically display your douchiness.

Nearly unrelated...but has anyone else noticed retailers being increasingly jackassish every year up through this Christmas? I swear I got like three "tough cookies...sucks to be you" style responses from managers this year after stores farked up. *sigh* It hurt, but I silently took my business elsewhere (pretty sure one of those businesses was woman-owned).
 
2014-01-21 02:21:56 PM  

TrotlineDesigns: WillJM8528: Personally, I would have taken my business elsewhere. The best way to get rid of these bigots is to not give them your business.

That doesn't make them any more of a bigot than you are.  They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.
That whole 'right to refuse service' thing..

/No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service
//No more than 2 school aged children in store at one time
///I could go on


In Colorado, a "we reserve the right to refuse service" sign is by itself a violation of the law. (Rule 20.4, from the PDF)

[TMYK.gif]
 
2014-01-21 02:21:59 PM  

Blues_X: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.


Next up: "but we don't want to serve black people."



4.bp.blogspot.com

cdn.cakecentral.com


halfsteppin.com

fc03.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-21 02:22:23 PM  

Billygoat Gruff: karnal: stpauler: MyRandomName: stpauler: HoustonNick: Libtard Creed - You must believe like I believe or be punished.  No other beliefs will be accepted.

This is so disgusting.

The only real comeback for this is "fark you, you disgusting sad piece of flapping ass shiat".

You realize that you liberals are acting exactly the same towards religious people, right? Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others. The irony is thick.

Are there really zero other wedding cake designers? This is about liberals trying to fark a religious person over. No more, no less.

My boyfriend is a church-going Catholic. So, no, it's not about religion, it's about bigotry. So fark you and the bigotry you come flying in on.

Are you two engaging in pre-martital sex?  If so, then he is not a good Catholic boy and your opinoin is moot.

well as with everything we can pick and choose what fits your agenda. I find it weird that libs have all this hate for christians but you can't get them to leave a black church when an election is coming up.

/I still laugh everytime I think of Hilary picking up the drawl when she was pandering to a black church.

Mitt Romney laughs at your statement
images.politico.com
 
2014-01-21 02:22:47 PM  

MyRandomName: Liberals always want respect but never respect the religious views of others.


This just in: views and actions are not the same thing either.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:01 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: notto: insertsnarkyusername: Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.

Because this is also illegal.

But impossible really easy to prove. And there aren't set prices for wedding cakes. You get a quote based on what you want and the bill isn't itemized.


Hi I'd like a cake, I'm straight.  $100?  Sweet.
Hi I'd like a cake, I'm gay.  $130?  Sweet.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:23 PM  
TrotlineDesigns:

/Wouldn't be my first time in jail or criminal court

Well that's certainly something to be proud of.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:50 PM  

Thunderpipes: I don't get it. This is illegal, but a theater company firing the Running Man chick because of her political beliefs is okay?


GASP! It's almost as if different states have different laws and POLITICAL VIEWS ARE NOT PROTECTED, for the fourth time. You'd save yourself looking like a blithering idiot if you bothered to read the thread.

But, then, that would imply a lack of intentionally stupid posts.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:53 PM  

Thunderpipes: I don't get it. This is illegal, but a theater company firing the Running Man chick because of her political beliefs is okay?


Apples are not oranges.  Maybe that is why you don't get it.
 
2014-01-21 02:23:55 PM  
goldurnded potstirrin hambonesectionals
 
2014-01-21 02:24:19 PM  

Phinn: Baz744: your baseless, unprovoked personal attacks have no impact on my self-perception

You're openly supporting the use of force against peaceful people, all because you don't like their cake-making decisions!


I'm supporting the enforcement of a constitutionally permissible, morally justified law against its transgressor. You've absurdly equated that in your mind with legally impermissible, morally unjustified use of force in other contexts. People almost universally recognize the distinction. They always have. They always will.

That makes you an asshole.  Calling you an asshole is therefore neither baseless nor unprovoked.

"Asshole" is principally a social designation. The problem for you is that the majority of fair-minded readers would conclude based on our dialogue not that I am an asshole--I have stayed well within the bounds of accepted social behavior--but that you are an asshole.

Note: I'm not saying you are an asshole. I'm saying that fair minded readers would conclude that you are. I say this not to attack you personally, but rather to rebut your assertion that your personal attacks against me are somehow well founded or justified.

Baz744: your baseless, unprovoked personal attacks have no effect on most other readers besides diminishing their evaluation of your character, or your position

Your opinions have no impact on my self-perception.


You would have a good point if I had asserted they do. But I do not. They do, however, impact others' perception of you.
 
2014-01-21 02:24:25 PM  

Guelph35: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Guelph35: I don't agree with the bakery owner's decision, but when did sexual orientation become a protected class in regards to discrimination?

I did not just read this.

Why?

I believe a private business has the right to make the decisions that they feel are correct for their business (including the right to refuse service) unless they are breaking the law.

I don't have to agree with their decisions but they should be allowed to make them.  If they decide they're losing too much money from their decision they'll change their mind or go out of business.

I just didn't know the law in the state of Oregon or if there was a federal law that trumps the state.


Look who doesn't understand the difference between "Protected Class" and "feelings"
 
2014-01-21 02:24:29 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.


You could've just posted "I don't know what I'm talking about" and saved a lot of words.

DubtodaIll: Witty_Retort: DubtodaIll: There's a line between being genuinely discriminated against in a way that is malicious and systematic and being a professional victim.  Not being served your wedding cake is not a systematic discrimination.  You've already gotten your legal rights for marriage, why make an example out of a solitary business and screw over the cakemakers?

When one of the bakery owners, Aaron Klein, discovered the cake was for a same-sex marriage, he called the couple "abominations unto the Lord" and made other comments that reduced the fiancée to tears, according to the complaint.

Feelings are inconsequential.


But the law is not.

The couple is not suing the bakery. He insulted them enough that they filed a complaint with the AG. The AG investigated and found they had been wronged.

BMFPitt:
Taking it to court makes the couple worse than the bakery.

You could've just posted "I don't know what I'm talking about" and saved a lot of words.
 
2014-01-21 02:25:16 PM  

lennavan: insertsnarkyusername: notto: insertsnarkyusername: Why don't these people just give a price quote that's say 30 percent higher than normal? Not big enough to be directly noticeable, it'll just seem like they are a higher priced bakery and no couple getting married is just getting quotes from one bakery and will most likely not go with the highest price quote. If for some reason they do decide go with your bakery then you've just made extra profit that can be donated to a christian charity if they really feel bad. Instead they have to attention whore about god.

Because this is also illegal.

But impossible really easy to prove. And there aren't set prices for wedding cakes. You get a quote based on what you want and the bill isn't itemized.

Hi I'd like a cake, I'm straight.  $100?  Sweet.
Hi I'd like a cake, I'm gay.  $130?  Sweet.


What world do you live in that a wedding cake costs 100 dollars? This practice is also known as the bridezilla tax, it's fairly common for bakers and caterers to tack on say an extra ten percent if they think you are going to be a pain in the ass.
 
2014-01-21 02:25:23 PM  

notto: TrotlineDesigns:

They should have a right in America to not do business with them as long as they aren't getting any government monies.

They are getting public money via infrastructure and they are taking a spot in the market that could easily be filled by a business willing to follow the laws and accommodate the full community that provides them this infrastructure.


Never owned anything have ya? Well, that you worked for I mean
 
2014-01-21 02:25:37 PM  

lennavan: To all of you that have been praying for Aaron and I, I want to say thank you. I know that your prayers are being heard

Okay, so you know people were praying for you and you know God heard those prayers and you lost the court case.  So I'm thinkin maybe God isn't on your side for this one.



THIS. It's funny how they get to just say whatever they want is god's plan, but god himself apparently doesn't get to tell us. Not only that, they can't actually show us the letter or email or whatever that god sent to them to tell them what he wanted from this whole situation. Being that he's supposedly a being of ultimate power and wisdom this must by definition be what he wanted - for them to be prosecuted for being dicks to people trying to patronize their business.

In other words, they're just making up justifications with no proof whatsoever to do what they already want to do - be assholes to people that they don't think are like them.

Not only is it blasphemous for them to assert that they can speak for god but it's also explicitly counter to Christ's teachings to be so petty and unwelcoming to others as well.
 
2014-01-21 02:26:49 PM  

mongbiohazard: HIS. It's funny how they get to just say whatever they want is god's plan, but god himself apparently doesn't get to tell us. Not only that, they can't actually show us the letter or email or whatever that god sent to them to tell them what he wanted from this whole situation. Being that he's supposedly a being of ultimate power and wisdom this must by definition be what he wanted - for them to be prosecuted for being dicks to people trying to patronize their business.


Something I've learned in my 28 years of existence is that God's will is strangely ALWAYS the same as what the person telling me what it is wants from me.
 
2014-01-21 02:27:10 PM  
It's just another day in Your Gay Indoctrination.

Only a liberal would want the government to force someone to bake them a cake.
 
2014-01-21 02:27:22 PM  

mark12A: Headso: uh..this bigoted bakery couldn't even stay in business, what makes you think there would be an underground railroad funneling religious freak bigots to private bakeries?

It's already happening, especially with the religious whackjobs. The ranks of the Off-The-Grid bartering types is growing daily. They trade amongst themselves, have minimal interaction with outsiders. You don't need a bakery to bake a wedding cake. You do it in your own kitchen and barter it for ammo or other goods. I'm aware of it because I'm researching off-grid tech for my retirement farm, and getting magazines and visiting websites covering the subject matter.

To paraphrase the old Star Wars quote: "The more you tighten your grip, the more people will slip through your fingers"

TFA just motivates more people to cut loose from what they see as an increasingly heavy handed government, hell bent on imposing it's world view on the peons.

Stopping discrimination against someone trying to use a public supermarket, or doctor, or gas station is one thing, but coming down like a ton of bricks on a little bakery creeped out by TEH GAYS!! is seen as straight up government bullying.

Secret Private clubs, private trade networks are going to make a big comeback. And constricted trade resulting from that will degrade the prosperity of our society. The downward spiral steepens...


Way to take something cool like Americans making goods, growing food and providing services sound like some kind of corny rebellion, if there is an actual rise in Americans doing these things then good, I welcome the variety in produce, meat and homemade goods, clothing, art... I live in a rural area and what you describe is pretty much par for the course for many people here, I don't think it's anything new more likely you are personally getting more immersed in that hippyish lifestyle so it seems everyone is doing it.
 
2014-01-21 02:27:26 PM  

CivicMindedFive: Fark is a weird place where Christians are the ultimate trump card.

Contrast this to the douchey-hipster article who wants government to prevent his neighbors from chopping down trees on their property because he likes those trees.  The Fark brigade is almost universally against the hipster douche siding with private property rights.

Then there's this case, where a lesbian couple wants government to force a baker to participate in a gay wedding, and because the baker is Christian, the same people are ready to feed him to the dogs.

If there's ever a case where cops beat the snot out of anti-abortion demonstrators, the whole universe might divide by zero following the cognitive dissonance coming from fark.


freedom of religion, man.  it is in direct opposition to general "freedom", but since america was basically FOUNDED on being able to worship the way one wishes, it is getting into some dark water.

A christian baker should be able to say no to a homosexual customer. the homosexual lifestyle is in direct contradiction to what the religion preaches.

they just should be able to.

however the law makes it wrong.

in this case, however, the gay people wanting the cake are wrong - even if the man said some "i hate the homogheys" stuff.  because freedom of speech.

on the other hand, fark you bigot.

i'm torn.
 
2014-01-21 02:27:35 PM  

BalugaJoe: Money is money.  What is wrong with these people.


Seriously, we're talking the conservative machine here.  By refusing and hitting the conservative press, they'll be inundated with all kinds of offers.
First, a collection to take care of immediate needs - rent, food, etc.
Then, interviews running the gamut of the conservatalkmarketing shows
They'll be touted as heroes - the hubby, a man among men
Next, the book deal!  "How I stood up to the meany nasties for JJJEESSSUUUSSS"


/money is money
//conservative money can make you rich if you play it right
///oh, speaking tours too
 
2014-01-21 02:28:08 PM  

DubtodaIll: Oh the "you didn't build that" argument. We all pay taxes, we all pay for public infrastructure. Therefore we've already attributed our right to free use of infrastructure in that we have already paid for it. There is nothing owed beyond that point, especially not changing one's stance on debatable issues to reflect the popular flow of the time.



Isn't self-referential rationalization just spectacular to behold?

Let's see -- the government forces everyone to pay for roads, and it controls the entire road-building and city-planning business, thereby requiring everyone to use the government's roads just to live, and then points to people's use of government roads to JUSTIFY expanding the government's control over every other aspect of people's lives.

Brilliant.

It's like stealing someone's food, and then when you give it back to him, claiming that he owes you his life in perpetuity for feeding him.
 
2014-01-21 02:28:34 PM  

notto: Itstoearly: So if one were to worship Hitler and I want to celebrate the anniversary of the Holocaust, and asked a Jewish baker to make me a cake, by law the baker would be required to do it?

Or better yet, if I ask a lesbian baker to bake me a cake that says "Lesbianism is morally wrong", she would be required to bake it for me?

Just want to make sure this swing both ways here.

Nazis or skinheads are not a protected class.
Homophobes are not a protected class.
You are adding specific content/messaging to the cake that makes it different then refusing to sell the same cake to one party and not another.

The need to stretch the analogy demonstrates why the argument against public accomodation laws are so silly.


Yep, if lesbian bakers said something like "We don't make cakes for breeders", then they would be breaking the law, by discriminating based upon sexual preference.
 
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