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(Boston Herald)   Bill Belichick is pissed at Wes Welker. How pissed? He actually spoke more than 3 words in a press conference   (bostonherald.com) divider line 95
    More: Interesting, Bill Belichick, Wes Welker, Aqib Talib, Demaryius Thomas, knee injury, AFC Championship Game  
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2014-01-21 09:19:22 AM  
Let the butthurt flow through you Darth Hoodie.
 
2014-01-21 09:20:54 AM  
All I can ever hear is "I can't win rings without cheating".
 
2014-01-21 09:22:23 AM  
If Welker does the same thing to Sherman, I'll forgive him
 
2014-01-21 09:23:52 AM  
I bet those grapes are all hard and sour anyway.
 
2014-01-21 09:26:48 AM  
Emotional, isn't he?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-01-21 09:27:15 AM  
And if it was any other player on any other team that a Patriot hit, he'd say that he's proud of his guys for being men and playing tough football.
 
2014-01-21 09:32:18 AM  

BunkoSquad: If Welker does the same thing to Sherman, I'll forgive him


So much this.
 
2014-01-21 09:32:45 AM  
Cause no one else in the NFL uses pick plays. Especially New England, that's way below their standards.
 
2014-01-21 09:36:12 AM  
Considering he was probably standing on the practice field with the offensive coordinators as they taught Welker how to run a pick, I love that he's upset about it now.
 
2014-01-21 09:36:32 AM  
Oh go cry in your coffee cupcake.
 
2014-01-21 09:38:36 AM  
I like how he won't say Welker's name. He's just "the receiver".
 
2014-01-21 09:40:20 AM  

Gonz: I like how he won't say Welker's name. He's just "the receiver".


Keepin' it generic.
 
2014-01-21 09:46:44 AM  
Also because his HOF quarterback is going to be 37 before Week 1 next season, and his chances of finding a replacement that is even 70% as good are basically 1 in 20 in any given year.
 
2014-01-21 09:47:26 AM  
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
2014-01-21 09:48:00 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

cry moar
 
2014-01-21 09:49:54 AM  
Because getting Patriots players needlessly injured is Belichick's job.

/Right, Gronk?
 
2014-01-21 09:51:34 AM  
You know what? He's right. It was deliberate. It was a targeted play. They took out talib.

They took him out because cromartie was hurt by the exact same play on the pats drive right before.
 
2014-01-21 09:53:10 AM  

jayhawk88: Also because his HOF quarterback is going to be 37 before Week 1 next season, and his chances of finding a replacement that is even 70% as good are basically 1 in 20 in any given year.


said HOF quarterback took blame for miscues/overthrows/etc. and praised the Broncos for a "flawless" game... i think Belichick is just being bitter

BunkoSquad: If Welker does the same thing to Sherman, I'll forgive him


and yet another person to ignore
 
2014-01-21 09:53:22 AM  

abhorrent1: Cause no one else in the NFL uses pick plays. Especially New England, that's way below their standards.


Those Patriots receivers were trying to get open!
 
2014-01-21 09:55:10 AM  
dunno if it was intentional or not, but the ref who missed that pick won't be working the Superb Owl.   or, shouldn't be.

I've been struck the sheer amount of injuries this year.....i know, there's always quite a few, but, damn.....watching sunday's games it seemed like there were injuries on play after play after play...
 
2014-01-21 09:56:16 AM  
Welker took some healthy hits too, it was back and forth between both teams.
Maybe Bill should have video-taped it?
 
2014-01-21 09:56:40 AM  

kwame: Considering he was probably standing on the practice field with the offensive coordinators as they taught Welker how to run a pick, I love that he's upset about it now.


I've been sent back in time to tell you that TFD discussion sucks without you.  Even more than usual.

/the stirinator
 
2014-01-21 09:57:15 AM  
I can't help but think if it was deliberate that you'd use someone other than the smallest guy on the field to deliver the hit.
 
2014-01-21 09:57:37 AM  

irgunner: BunkoSquad: If Welker does the same thing to Sherman, I'll forgive him

So much this.


It's odd to me how smack talking after winning against a smack talking, face shoving poor sport is seen as bad sportsmanship, but wishing actual harm on someone is second nature to some. That the latter is due the former makes no sense to me at all.
 
2014-01-21 09:59:24 AM  
I just don't see a suspension in there.  It's at best a missed flag.  It might have even been clean depending on when the ball got touched by the receiver.  From Belichick's tears I thought that Welker had done a flying drop kick to the guy's knee.
 
2014-01-21 09:59:40 AM  
What is interesting (aside from the obvious injury to Talib), is that NE got flagged for the pick, but Denver did not
 
2014-01-21 10:02:20 AM  
"When I saw it, just as a player in general, Wes, was he doing his job? I'm sure he was to a certain degree," Patriots defensive end Andre Cartersaid. "I think the hit could've [been] cleaner. I've been around a lot of football to see that."
 
2014-01-21 10:02:22 AM  
If that was intentional, he did a shiatty job of not getting himself run over.
 
2014-01-21 10:04:52 AM  
I enjoy that the first public portions of the Welker-Belichick split happened due to Welker's epic feet based interview about the Jets. Just think, if Denver pulls it out, Manning could start to gain more ground in the Manning-Brady debate because of Rex Ryan's foot fetish.
 
2014-01-21 10:05:15 AM  

jayhawk88: Also because his HOF quarterback is going to be 37 before Week 1 next season, and his chances of finding a replacement that is even 70% as good are basically 1 in 20 in any given year.


People often think that, but the reality is that it is the system that works. If Cassel can come in and run that offense with reasonable success, than so can Ryan Mallet because he is taller and has a stronger arm.

I hate the Patriots, but i have to give them some credit.
Bills Fan
I wish we would have taken Mallet a few years ago even though he had some issues coming out of college
 
2014-01-21 10:06:33 AM  

DGS: And if it was any other player on any other team that a Patriot hit, he'd say that he's proud of his guys for being men and playing tough football.


No, I disagree. While I don't think it was intentional, can you tell me the last time BB has called anyone out like that? I have never seen it. And when he felt Welker went over the line about the foot thing with the Jets, he benched him. So Belichick will deal with inappropriate behavior.
 
2014-01-21 10:06:43 AM  

stir22: I've been sent back in time to tell you that TFD discussion sucks without you. Even more than usual.


I do make it suck in a pretty spectacular way.  :)
 
2014-01-21 10:08:44 AM  

bass555: What is interesting (aside from the obvious injury to Talib), is that NE got flagged for the pick, but Denver did not


i can't remember refs ever calling Denver for pick plays
 
2014-01-21 10:08:56 AM  
Belichick's teams have been successful in the past because of their willingness to push the boundaries of the rulebook.  It's the fact that it was Welker that has him all bent out of shape, probably because it's one of the tricks he learned when he was playing for Belichick.
 
2014-01-21 10:09:53 AM  

This is a late parrot: People often think that, but the reality is that it is the system that works. If Cassel can come in and run that offense with reasonable success, than so can Ryan Mallet because he is taller and has a stronger arm.


You look at Cassel's record at New England, and it was a mix of coming in during blowouts, playing fairly well in a couple of close games, and looking completely horrible.  There's nothing to indicate any system had anything to do with it.  He played just like Matt Cassel: erratic.
 
2014-01-21 10:18:30 AM  

Publikwerks: DGS: And if it was any other player on any other team that a Patriot hit, he'd say that he's proud of his guys for being men and playing tough football.

No, I disagree. While I don't think it was intentional, can you tell me the last time BB has called anyone out like that? I have never seen it. And when he felt Welker went over the line about the foot thing with the Jets, he benched him. So Belichick will deal with inappropriate behavior.


I'm going to guess you're a Pats fan, or at least someone familiar with Belichick.  The guy never says anything bad about other teams or players.  Usually after a loss it's something along the lines of "They have a great team with great players, we got outcoached, they made more plays than us." or some variant.  I was surprised he called out Welker on the hit and going by Ninkovich on EEI yesterday, it seems like some of the players feel it was intentional as well.  As for me, I don't think it was completely intentional.  I don't think WW was trying to hurt Talib, I do think he was trying to be physical with him though.
 
2014-01-21 10:21:50 AM  
When Belichick says that Welker "deliberately took him out", couldn't it be inferred that BB meant "out of the play" rather than "out of the game"?
 
2014-01-21 10:25:40 AM  

This is a late parrot: jayhawk88: Also because his HOF quarterback is going to be 37 before Week 1 next season, and his chances of finding a replacement that is even 70% as good are basically 1 in 20 in any given year.

People often think that, but the reality is that it is the system that works. If Cassel can come in and run that offense with reasonable success, than so can Ryan Mallet because he is taller and has a stronger arm.

I hate the Patriots, but i have to give them some credit.
Bills Fan
I wish we would have taken Mallet a few years ago even though he had some issues coming out of college


I think that '08 Cassell season may be a little bit fluky in retrospect. The AFC West that year was pretty terrible (Chargers and Denver both lead the division at 8-8, Raiders 5-11, Chiefs 2-14), and the NFC West that year was not very good: Cards 9-7 in the regular season, though of course they did make a playoff run to the SuperBowl, Niners 7-9, Seahawks 4-12, Rams 2-14. In games not against those two divisions the Pats that year were 4-4.

Not trying to say that Hoodie isn't one of the best NFL coaches out there, he obviously is, just saying that the odds of the Pats falling ass-backwards into another Tom Brady are pretty low.
 
2014-01-21 10:28:28 AM  

This is a late parrot: jayhawk88: Also because his HOF quarterback is going to be 37 before Week 1 next season, and his chances of finding a replacement that is even 70% as good are basically 1 in 20 in any given year.

People often think that, but the reality is that it is the system that works. If Cassel can come in and run that offense with reasonable success, than so can Ryan Mallet because he is taller and has a stronger arm.

I hate the Patriots, but i have to give them some credit.
Bills Fan
I wish we would have taken Mallet a few years ago even though he had some issues coming out of college


praising captain checkdown?

that was a historically strong team - stronger maybe than the 2007 undefeated team - with a pretty easy schedule beating up on crappy teams including two 2-14 teams and one 4-12 team... (they only beat 2 teams above .500), Cassell basically checked down to running backs or Stafford'd it to Moss for easy 50 yard completions... otherwise the defense did all the work that year, including a ton of turnovers
 
2014-01-21 10:28:57 AM  
kwame:

You look at Cassel's record at New England, and it was a mix of coming in during blowouts, playing fairly well in a couple of close games, and looking completely horrible.  There's nothing to indicate any system had anything to do with it.  He played just like Matt Cassel: erratic.

All I'm saying is that the year he started after Brady went out, he took them to 11-5 and lost the division on a tie-breaker to Miami. Granted the defense for the Pats was much better then. He secured himself with a 14mil contract which eventually sent him to the Chiefs thinking he was a great QB. I just think that the scheme of play in NE had a lot to do with that. I do concede your point, though.
 
2014-01-21 10:31:01 AM  
Pardon the simple question... but I don't really follow football so much (I usually watch hockey)... what is everyone's problem with this hit... it wasn't a headshot.. doesn't look like an intentional knee to knee thing... it just looks like a physical, but clean hit to me. Was Welker breaking some rule by making physical contact with the other guy?
 
2014-01-21 10:31:09 AM  

bass555: When Belichick says that Welker "deliberately took him out", couldn't it be inferred that BB meant "out of the play" rather than "out of the game"?


I think he actually means out of the game, because the result of that play was an incomplete pass.  I was annoyed that no OPI was called (they called for the same exact thing on the Patriots not long before that play), but I think it's a quite a stretch that Welker was trying to injure Talib.  It's not like he went for the head or the knees, he just slammed the shoulder into the torso, and unfortunately Talib ended up with an injured knee in the process.  I think BB just doesn't like WW for whatever reason.
 
2014-01-21 10:32:12 AM  

jayhawk88: Not trying to say that Hoodie isn't one of the best NFL coaches out there, he obviously is, just saying that the odds of the Pats falling ass-backwards into another Tom Brady are pretty low.


I'm not really sure Belichick cares.  He's going to be 62 when next season opens, there's a good possibility that his coaching career ends around the time Brady's playing career is over.
 
2014-01-21 10:34:08 AM  

SmurfsRnotSilver: Publikwerks: DGS: And if it was any other player on any other team that a Patriot hit, he'd say that he's proud of his guys for being men and playing tough football.

No, I disagree. While I don't think it was intentional, can you tell me the last time BB has called anyone out like that? I have never seen it. And when he felt Welker went over the line about the foot thing with the Jets, he benched him. So Belichick will deal with inappropriate behavior.

I'm going to guess you're a Pats fan, or at least someone familiar with Belichick.  The guy never says anything bad about other teams or players.  Usually after a loss it's something along the lines of "They have a great team with great players, we got outcoached, they made more plays than us." or some variant.  I was surprised he called out Welker on the hit and going by Ninkovich on EEI yesterday, it seems like some of the players feel it was intentional as well.  As for me, I don't think it was completely intentional.  I don't think WW was trying to hurt Talib, I do think he was trying to be physical with him though.


Yes, I'm a Pat's fan.

And that's what I mean, BB never calls out another team or player. This is uncharted territory.
 
2014-01-21 10:37:52 AM  

firefly212: Pardon the simple question... but I don't really follow football so much (I usually watch hockey)... what is everyone's problem with this hit... it wasn't a headshot.. doesn't look like an intentional knee to knee thing... it just looks like a physical, but clean hit to me. Was Welker breaking some rule by making physical contact with the other guy?


Technically, I think it's a Offensive Pass Interference. And he got injured on it, so that amps it up. But I'm no source on the rules.

Hopefully, this lights a fire under BB to get Brady some weapons.
 
2014-01-21 10:45:47 AM  

kwame: This is a late parrot: People often think that, but the reality is that it is the system that works. If Cassel can come in and run that offense with reasonable success, than so can Ryan Mallet because he is taller and has a stronger arm.

You look at Cassel's record at New England, and it was a mix of coming in during blowouts, playing fairly well in a couple of close games, and looking completely horrible.  There's nothing to indicate any system had anything to do with it.  He played just like Matt Cassel: erratic.


In '08, he started 15 games. Prior to that, he attempted a total of 39 passes. It's not really fair to say that he got into games because of blowouts when the bulk of his playing time was after Brady was injured.

And let's face it. He started 15 games for a team that went 16-0 the year before. I would say his success was because that particular version of the Pats was a machine. His success (and continued NFL employment) was because of the system at the time.

Now, have him start 15 games for this year's Pats and they would be lucky to finish 8-8. Ryan Mallet may have been better, but I doubt it. If Tom Brady put up a 87.3 rating this year, I shudder to think what a replacement would do.
 
2014-01-21 10:48:58 AM  
Watching it again, it's obviously a clean hit. It might be an illegal pick, but it doesn't violate the Hines Ward rule or anything. If you're going to run a play with the intention of hurting a guy, you don't simply block him shoulder to shoulder.
 
2014-01-21 10:50:31 AM  

firefly212: Pardon the simple question... but I don't really follow football so much (I usually watch hockey)... what is everyone's problem with this hit... it wasn't a headshot.. doesn't look like an intentional knee to knee thing... it just looks like a physical, but clean hit to me. Was Welker breaking some rule by making physical contact with the other guy?


You're not allowed to pick the defender in order to get another receiver open.  But you can block the defender once the other receiver gets the ball.  So if you block before the receiver gets it, that's a pick.  If you block as or after, that's a legal block.  In this case, Mike Pereira, the ex VP of NFL officiating saw it and said since it was near simultaneous (catch and block) it was a legal play.

Football teams, including the Patriots, run these plays all the frickin time.  BB is being a whiner.
 
2014-01-21 10:54:23 AM  

firefly212: Pardon the simple question... but I don't really follow football so much (I usually watch hockey)... what is everyone's problem with this hit... it wasn't a headshot.. doesn't look like an intentional knee to knee thing... it just looks like a physical, but clean hit to me. Was Welker breaking some rule by making physical contact with the other guy?


The big to-do here is that after receivers are 5 yards downfield and a passer has the ball with the intention of throwing, players aren't allowed to make interfereing contact with one another.  Incidental contact and light "distance checking" types of contact are typically let go.
On that particular play, Welker is not allowed to deliberately hit or block Talib prior to the pass being caught.
If it was intended as a pick play for Welker to deliberately make contact with Talib, Welker did a poor job of disguising it as incidental;  Incidental would involve chipping Talib's outer shoulders/torso on his way by.  Welker got in toward the numbers and rib cage, sacrificing himself in the process.  That's a pretty tell tale sign of his intent to interfere.  The design of a pick play is very touchy and requires good timing and lenient officiating.

If it was meant as a block after the pass was caught, his timing was off, though when watched live at full speed, that play can be considered difficult to interpret as a clear-cut interference, as the ball was there-ish in Thomas's hands at the same-ish time Welker made the hit.
Pretending Welker did get there at the right time to make a block, the result would have been the same; Talib was focused on Thomas and not a blocker from that crossing angle.
 
2014-01-21 11:11:36 AM  

DGS: And if it was any other player on any other team that a Patriot hit, he'd say that he's proud of his guys for being men and playing tough football.


ABSOLUTELY!
 
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