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(Boston.com)   Blogger is incredulous that his neighbor has the right to cut down a tree, on the neighbor's own property, so he goes whining to the city. Not surprisingly, quite a few people have a problem with his point of view   (boston.com) divider line 243
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2014-01-21 06:28:21 AM  

shtychkn: Guys like this gives liberals a bad name.

He isn't a liberal, liberals are pro-economic regulation and anti-social regulation.

This guy is a totalitarian.  Pro-Economic and Pro-Social regulation.


This.  That is the problem with a simplistic either/or view, political views are a multidimensional spectrum and the simple mind lumps "i agin' it" with "them".

Then political parties align themselves with the popular "i agin' its", so you get strange bedfellows like political parties that are pro- gun freedom but anti- marriage freedom, which is absurd.
 
2014-01-21 06:34:16 AM  
When then whiny little man of the 21st century, pretend you're a man of the 20th century , quit whining and plant you're own trees!
 
2014-01-21 06:34:59 AM  
KidneyStone:
You are clearly a renter and fairly naive.

The bank owns my mortgage because that's how it works.  But when I claim it's 'mine' (quoting because you did on 'yours') I assure you that if someone gets hurt on my property they will sue me and not the bank.  The bank doesn't pay one red cent towards 'my' property taxes.  Should I have called the bank when a pipe burst?  With the way you think it's 'their' pipe and not mine.  Same for the tree that cost me $400 to get cut down lest its dying self smashed my house.

I pay for it, I pay the property taxes, I pay for the upkeep....face it you whiny biatch, it's MINE and I can do whatever I want with the property.


Well, there's a subtlety.  The property is the bank's and it is your responsibility to them to keep the property up.  It's "yours" in all respects but the finality of ownership.

I wonder what the bank would have thought about it if that pipe had burst and you decided "fark it, I won't fix the wall" and let everything molder and rot, which would be perfectly in your rights if the ownership was truly yours.  Or if you'd let the tree fall down and didn't have sufficient insurance.  They can be rather picky about what you can do with their collateral...
 
2014-01-21 06:42:08 AM  
I once rented a place in Germany. The people who lived in the neighbouring house had the tree in the backyard of the house I was living in cut down because they didn't like how it shaded their yard. They didn't have permission to do so and did it when no one was home. They then claimed that my landlady, who was slightly senile, had asked them to do it (she hadn't). When the police came to sort it out I chatted with one of them and he said this was typical German neighbourliness, you know, like invading Poland.
 
2014-01-21 06:47:11 AM  

Asa Phelps: Stopped reading at "my landlord".

Images

by Tyrone Greene ...

Dark and lonely on the summer night.
Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
Watchdog barking - Do he bite?
Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
Slip in his window,
Break his neck!
Then his house
I start to wreck!
Got no reason --
What the heck!
Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.
C-I-L-L ...
My land - lord ...
Def!
 
2014-01-21 06:54:56 AM  
Reasonable:  Discussing city policies at reducing the number of trees cut down or increasing number of trees.  Maybe approval or permit/fine for cutting down any tree with a diameter/circumference that is greater then X inches.

This guy?  Whiny little biatch, especially with that PS.
 
2014-01-21 06:59:55 AM  
Another thing he mentioned in the follow-up comment, all the trees in his neighborhood were thick, full of beautiful green leaves. Shortly after they started work on the neighbor's lot all those leaves died and fell off the trees. That can't just be a coincidence, can it??
 
2014-01-21 07:00:20 AM  

what_now: So. This is my town. I've lived here since 2002, and bought a postage stamp condo in the "gentrifying" section of town in August.

Somerville, MA is the most densely populated city in New England. We invented Fluff and the necco waver. The first American Flag was flown in Somerville. We have the oldest co-ed public high school in the US.

It's not all good. Somerville is a weird place, going through a bit of an identity crisis. Whitey Bulger, a gangster, killed a bunch of people in my new "gentrifying" neighborhood, and the income disparity is off the charts. DINKS like us can afford to spend several hundred thousand dollars on 700sq feet, but we still have a very high free and reduced lunch* program in the public schools. What was once a very blue collar, working class town has turned partly into a very, very hip, expensive, young area.

The neighborhood this douche lives in - Davis Sq- has some of the highest rents in Massachusetts- and they live side by side with people who have owned their house for generations, and are confused with by the boutique humus shop and all the farking froyo joints.

Anyway, I just want to say that while Davis Sq can be more insufferable than Berkeley, I love this town. This guy? He's a dick. But very very soon, he will meet some pretentious young girl, they'll buy a Bernese Mountain Dog, scrape the Elizabeth Warren sticker off the Prius and move to the a planned community in Hingham.

And good riddance.

*organic, high protein low gluten lunches. Some of the best in the country.


What's the "gentrifying" area of Somerville? Magoun? Sullivan? Is there  any area of town where a condo won't end up selling to a cash buyer for 50% over the asking price?

I myself recently bought my own postage stamp in JP, which is not as nuts as Somerville yet but getting there. One of my favorite pastimes thus far is reading yupster foodie Yelp reviews of pre-gentrification local establishments; there's something really special about watching avowed liberals desperately try to avoid saying "MINORITIES ARE SCARY AND POOR PEOPLE EAT BAD." I can only imagine there are lots of Patrick Smiths around here.

/Liberal.
//Eats like a poor person.
///DIAF Whole Foods.
 
2014-01-21 07:03:38 AM  
It's people like this that makes us liberals look bad. Some people are just assholes no matter what side of the aisle they're on.
 
2014-01-21 07:17:24 AM  

tommyl66: Another thing he mentioned in the follow-up comment, all the trees in his neighborhood were thick, full of beautiful green leaves. Shortly after they started work on the neighbor's lot all those leaves died and fell off the trees. That can't just be a coincidence, can it??


It's called September/October time frame.

I guess having a large beautiful tree is more important than said tree is too large for the area and the roots and the branches is posing a threat to the house.  The neighbor could also be having the tree milled for a wood working project.  An uncle did that with a Maple, after it was dried, another uncle went over and built him a beautiful china cabinet.  It meant so much to the first uncle, that he had it mentioned at his funeral.

/I have had to cut a tree down to make room for an addition.
 
2014-01-21 07:19:52 AM  

ArkAngel: Is it crazy or un-American to suggest that, at a certain point, a tree is no longer one person's private property per se, and belongs to the community?

Yes.


This is as far as I read.
 
2014-01-21 07:20:54 AM  
Now, now. Why call him a blogger, subby? If Fark has taught me one thing, it's that bloggers are legitimate journalists and should be identified as such.
 
2014-01-21 07:30:23 AM  

mikaloyd: Bout 4 thousand years for some ancient pines blasted to shiat by lightning in the Sierras. Maybe a couple thousand years for some giant Sequoias. but most trees meet their fates much much sooner than that.


If you count clonal colonies, there's a handful around 10,000 years, and Pando, which is estimated at 80,000+.  Individual stems don't live that long, but the root system that spawns them is contiguous.
 
2014-01-21 07:31:10 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I really like large trees.  One of the reasons I bought the house I did was because it has a couple huge oaks on it.

The one in the rear is on my property, but just barely.  When a new family moved into the house whose property borders it and started removing a lot of the vegetation, I was worried they might think the tree was theirs and try to do something to it.  I thought about going over, but 'Welcome to the neighborhood - don't touch my tree' didn't sound neighborly in my head.

Thankfully they didn't mess with it, but I still feel I need to do something to mark it as mine to keep something from happening to it in the future, especially since it stands outside of my fence (which was there before I moved in).

I'm thinking about putting up a decorative stone circle and some mulch around the base so that they realize I have a claim to it.


The only parts of the tree that are yours are the ones over your property. Any parts of the tree over the property of others can just be cut off by them any time they like. They will do this unless they really like you. That is your responsibility.

You only have claim to the parts of the tree on your property, stones make no difference.

Don`t do dickish passive aggressive stone marking. Mark the property boundary. Be an adult, get to know your neighbors and express your like for the tree and discuss the property boundaries and how you would like them to not cut parts off the tree even though it is over both properties.
 
2014-01-21 07:38:48 AM  

iheartscotch: I'm actually kind of surprised. I would have figured some people around here would be all for imposing their will on property that they don't own; in the most ridiculous manner possible.


We're a bit more focused. We reserve our arguments over control of wallets, guns and vaginas.
 
2014-01-21 07:47:39 AM  

what_now: So. This is my town. I've lived here since 2002, and bought a postage stamp condo in the "gentrifying" section of town in August.

Somerville, MA is the most densely populated city in New England. We invented Fluff and the necco waver. The first American Flag was flown in Somerville. We have the oldest co-ed public high school in the US.

It's not all good. Somerville is a weird place, going through a bit of an identity crisis. Whitey Bulger, a gangster, killed a bunch of people in my new "gentrifying" neighborhood, and the income disparity is off the charts. DINKS like us can afford to spend several hundred thousand dollars on 700sq feet, but we still have a very high free and reduced lunch* program in the public schools. What was once a very blue collar, working class town has turned partly into a very, very hip, expensive, young area.

The neighborhood this douche lives in - Davis Sq- has some of the highest rents in Massachusetts- and they live side by side with people who have owned their house for generations, and are confused with by the boutique humus shop and all the farking froyo joints.

Anyway, I just want to say that while Davis Sq can be more insufferable than Berkeley, I love this town. This guy? He's a dick. But very very soon, he will meet some pretentious young girl, they'll buy a Bernese Mountain Dog, scrape the Elizabeth Warren sticker off the Prius and move to the a planned community in Hingham.

And good riddance.

*organic, high protein low gluten lunches. Some of the best in the country.


img.fark.net


Do you have something against Bernese mountain dogs? Why single them out as though they're bad?
 
2014-01-21 07:48:00 AM  

ArkAngel: Is it crazy or un-American to suggest that, at a certain point, a tree is no longer one person's private property per se, and belongs to the community?


pursuitofbetterment.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-21 07:58:14 AM  
I used to work a job that involved trying to get neighbors to act like adults verse feces-flinging macaques in regards to trees and fences. You would not believe the lengths to which people will go to "win" these disputes, particularly in a monied area. Well maybe you would; I don't know you. But we're talking about thousands and thousands of dollars to lawyers, arborists, surveyors, etc etc.

There's a way to handle this that conforms to both free-market property owning principles, as well as personal or community aesthetics. You don't want your neighbor to cut down the tree? Pay him or her. At some point your value curve for the tree and theirs for cutting it down will intersect. Write a check and a one page agreement, move on with your life.

*I do not know if macaques actually fling feces. No insult to the macaque community was intended.
 
2014-01-21 08:01:18 AM  

violentsalvation: what_now: We invented Fluff and the necco waver.

Yuck.


Fluff is awesome, but you're right about Necco wafers.  They date back to the Civil War, and I'm pretty sure a lot of Union guys enlisted just to get away from them...
 
2014-01-21 08:07:17 AM  

kab: Blogger hasn't wrapped his head around the notion that here in the ever-righteous US, you only get to infringe on your neighbors efforts when they want to build something, rather than when they want to remove it.

Want to chop down trees?   Well it's your property!

Want to build a deck?  Well.. just a minute...you need permission for that!  What, do you think that's your property?


Oh, please.  You can get permission to build a deck here pretty much automatically so long as you a) keep it on your side of the property line, and b) build it out of something more substantial than rotten 1x3 propped up on the lawn, so it doesn't collapse and kill the twelve neighbors you invited over.

Somerville's got a lot of three-deckers, and if a third floor deck collapses, you're lucky if you're only going to the hospital.

You didn't USED to need permission, but enough idiots over the decades violated a) and/or b) that new regs got passed.

Basically, it's your dad's fault.  You know, the guy with all the tools who thought that owning them meant he could build anything.
 
2014-01-21 08:08:13 AM  
I hope you get eaten by a bear.

great...  Now I've got an Allen Sherman song stuck in my head for the day.  Thanks - what...
 
2014-01-21 08:08:17 AM  

cptrios: what_now: So. This is my town. I've lived here since 2002, and bought a postage stamp condo in the "gentrifying" section of town in August.

Somerville, MA is the most densely populated city in New England. We invented Fluff and the necco waver. The first American Flag was flown in Somerville. We have the oldest co-ed public high school in the US.

It's not all good. Somerville is a weird place, going through a bit of an identity crisis. Whitey Bulger, a gangster, killed a bunch of people in my new "gentrifying" neighborhood, and the income disparity is off the charts. DINKS like us can afford to spend several hundred thousand dollars on 700sq feet, but we still have a very high free and reduced lunch* program in the public schools. What was once a very blue collar, working class town has turned partly into a very, very hip, expensive, young area.

The neighborhood this douche lives in - Davis Sq- has some of the highest rents in Massachusetts- and they live side by side with people who have owned their house for generations, and are confused with by the boutique humus shop and all the farking froyo joints.

Anyway, I just want to say that while Davis Sq can be more insufferable than Berkeley, I love this town. This guy? He's a dick. But very very soon, he will meet some pretentious young girl, they'll buy a Bernese Mountain Dog, scrape the Elizabeth Warren sticker off the Prius and move to the a planned community in Hingham.

And good riddance.

*organic, high protein low gluten lunches. Some of the best in the country.

What's the "gentrifying" area of Somerville? Magoun? Sullivan? Is there  any area of town where a condo won't end up selling to a cash buyer for 50% over the asking price?

I myself recently bought my own postage stamp in JP, which is not as nuts as Somerville yet but getting there. One of my favorite pastimes thus far is reading yupster foodie Yelp reviews of pre-gentrification local establishments; there's something really special about watching avowed liberals desperately try to avoid saying "MINORITIES ARE SCARY AND POOR PEOPLE EAT BAD." I can only imagine there are lots of Patrick Smiths around here.

/Liberal.
//Eats like a poor person.
///DIAF Whole Foods.


As someone who grew up in the Jackson/Hyde/Stony Brook triangle (Mozart St.) in the 80s and 90s I have to say the dynamic there now is nuts.

It really sucks to see people who worked so hard to get the neighborhood on track through the shootouts on the street etc. no longer able to afford living there.

I haven't been around there in a few years since just about everyone I knew has moved to Brockton or similar. Lament all you want about Whole Foods but when it comes down to it if you've purchased a condo there in the past several years you're really no different than the Yelpers you mention.

I'm sure your home will turn out to be a good investment but I hope you didn't move to the neighborhood for the atmosphere because in a few more years it's likely to turn into the equivalent of the upper Washington St. area of the South End.
 
2014-01-21 08:15:08 AM  
FTFA: Is it crazy or un-American to suggest that, at a certain point, a tree is no longer one person's private property per se, and belongs to the community?

Stopped reading right there. F*CK this asshole!

/*THIS IS MY F*CKING YARD!*
 
2014-01-21 08:17:12 AM  

tomerson: Asa Phelps: Stopped reading at "my landlord".

Stopped reading at "progressive city'.

Off the top of my head: Honolulu, Seattle, Boulder, Portland, San Fransisco, San Jose, and many more are all magnitudes more progressive than Boston.


Somerville /= Boston.

Seriously.
 
2014-01-21 08:20:59 AM  

Major Ethanolic: One the one hand, this whining douchenozzle needs to go be a socialist somewhere else. On the other hand, there are plenty of other socialist twatwaffles who applaud HOA rules such as one forbidding RV parking in one's own driveway, or building 75-foot tall fluorescent pink sculptures in one's own yard. It's a catch-22.


Why do you hate the Sixth Amendment?

Or are only 'socialist twatwaffles' allowed to sign voluntary contracts?
 
2014-01-21 08:23:57 AM  

ubermensch: Now, now. Why call him a blogger, subby? If Fark has taught me one thing, it's that bloggers are legitimate journalists and should be identified as such.


Heh...I think the Supreme Court just sided with Fark on that one :)
 
2014-01-21 08:25:26 AM  
this is why I live in the country.
In Vermont.
Not Massholia.
 
2014-01-21 08:26:15 AM  
Wish I could get the guy who lives across the street from me to CUT DOWN the 7 or 8 DEAD trees on his property. They are an eyesore, but after reading this, my lips are sealed.
 
2014-01-21 08:26:20 AM  
Lsherm: He actually had a good column on Salon for years: "Ask the Pilot." But he would occasionally stray into political discussions and they always ended up like this. He's a good pilot and a good writer when he's talking about planes, but he has some moonbat theories...

See also "Bad astronomer"
What he made his name with was great stuff. Today he's 90% derp.
 
2014-01-21 08:27:42 AM  

Pitabred: bikkurikun: six-n-tombstone: bikkurikun: six-n-tombstone:

The D*bag in the article is a renter, if having no trees to look at offends him soooooo much then he can move out at the end of his lease and go live in the woods. He has no permanent residence there.

Define permanent. Especially in residential areas, houses get bought and sold all the time. My parents could never afford to buy a house, but lived in the same neighbourhood all their lives, and were active in the community.  I have owned property since I got out of college, yet I've sold, moved and bought new property 5 times since then and never cared much about become active and involved in the community I lived in.  Who is a more permanent resident and who is more invested in the community?

Unless you own an estate that has been in your family for generations, most property owners in residential areas don't live in the same house for more than 20 years.  So if there is a hundreds of years old tree on your property that makes the community as a whole a nicer place, you shouldn't have the right to cut it down just because you 'own' the property for a number of years.

In other words he does not  OWN the property he lives in. He does not pay property taxes on it, he has no investment in the neighborhood because it is easier for him to pack up and move, if he so chooses. Or his landlord can decide not to renew his lease and make him move. Just like your parents did not own the property they lived in, they too could be tossed out by the landlord, ergo not considered to have investment in the nearby community. The fact they were allowed to stay in their place for over 20 years only means they were on good terms with the landlord nothing more. I don't care how many properties you owned. Nor do I care if you think I shouldn't cut down a tree on my property, it is not your property; you don't get to make the decision. Don't like it tough.

Ah, no. You see, renters have rights here, you cant just toss them out. And most people dont rent fron individual landlords, but rather cooperations that are set up with the specific pirpose of providing housing for the working class who cant afford ownership. Even jf you dont have money, you still have rights here.

...did you start having a stroke as you wrote that? Seriously. That's like, consider going to a doctor typing there. Your previous posts are very well put together comparatively.

/not a troll
//srlsy... please tell me you are typing one handed or exhausted or something at least


Haha, yes, had to move, so typing on Iphone while sitting in the metro.. (And I am not a native speaker to begin with)
 
2014-01-21 08:28:18 AM  
Fafai:
Removing trees,
Yup

planting trees?
Yup

Building structures?
Yup.  Under 200 sq ft, no permit.

Painting the house plaid?
Yup

Letting the grass grow without ever cutting it?
Yup

Parking YOUR car on YOUR front lawn?
Yup
 
2014-01-21 08:30:13 AM  
A tree fell on my truck last weekend, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies?
 
2014-01-21 08:36:04 AM  
It is just a natural extension of what we have been seeing for years.

Groups telling people what to do with their large land properties. (No development)
Groups tell businesses want to tell them what to do with their properties. (Historic building set asides but not providing any money.)
Home owners telling others that they can't build buildings which block their view of the mountains, etc.
Home owners telling others what improvements they can and can't do with their property.

Now, renters want to tell home owners what they can do with their property.

Well, FARK YOU Mr. Whiney Marxist Renter.
 
2014-01-21 08:40:18 AM  

bikkurikun: Benevolent Misanthrope: And if you read to the very end, you learn that he's a renter.  He has no investment it the neighborhood.  He's just another entitled little shiat who thinks the world exists to suit him.

What an asshole.


A renter has no investment in the neighbourhood? WTF does property ownership have to do with investment in the neighbourhood? If he invests his time in trying to make the neighbourhood better he invests in it. A renter who spends time volunteering or being politically active has far more investment in a neighbourhood than someone who owns property but doesn't give a fark. Whether he is right or wrong, he obviously cares for how the neighbourhood is looking, so he invests in it.

I don't get the property ownership fetish. Even if you own property, unless you are in the middle of nowhere, you still live in a community and the long terms needs of the community are more important than the individual short-term whims of a property owner.

But then again I am living in Europe where indeed there are laws against these kind of things; you can't just cut down trees on your land unless there is a valid reason for it, just as you can't built what you want if other people have to look at it too, and you can't alter historical buildings without permission. I think those perfectly sane rules aimed at preserving the community in the long term as that it is deemed far more important than the individual needs, whether you own the property or not.


Stay the fark right where you are at then. There's enough dipshiats already here that think we should live under the same rules and standards the Europeans do. Why the fark do you think our ancestors left there and came here?

/enjoy your lack of property rights
 
2014-01-21 08:41:52 AM  

violentsalvation: I feel for the guy but dammit, if you would rather see trees instead of ugly buildings move the f*ck out of the city.
And then plant your own!


I did both. I feel for you poor urbanites who are so starved for a bit of nature that you fight about the neighbor's trees. And I planted a whole bunch of trees and bushes in my yard, no permit required. My neighbors are pigs but we don't fight about a farking thing. That's their yard. And they don't tell me that I can't plant trees in my yard.

Fark, I don't know how you guys live, constantly up each other's asses.
 
2014-01-21 08:44:12 AM  
I like tree, but...  this idiot NIMBY renter put out a squirrel feeder.  Nothing says I love nature like spreading disease and affecting the genetics/evolution of the birds.

About the only good thing about sucky blogs are that they clearly identify the imbeciles for the rest of us.
 
2014-01-21 08:45:08 AM  
How the fark has the cutting down of a tree "adversely affected" the quality of this guy's life?  Sure, he might not like his neighbor's decision, but to ramble on about how the quality of his life is now somehow diminished is utter bullshiat.
 
2014-01-21 08:49:15 AM  

OnlyM3: Lsherm: He actually had a good column on Salon for years: "Ask the Pilot." But he would occasionally stray into political discussions and they always ended up like this. He's a good pilot and a good writer when he's talking about planes, but he has some moonbat theories...
See also "Bad astronomer"
What he made his name with was great stuff. Today he's 90% derp.


Wow, never seen anyone rag on Bad Astronomer. What's your blog address?
 
2014-01-21 08:55:39 AM  
"Comments to this story seem to be harping on the fact that I'm a renter and not an owner; that neither property involved in this story belongs to me."

Ahahahahahahahahaha! Wow. Yes. Hahaha.
 
2014-01-21 08:58:25 AM  
Anyone proud of living in a " progressive-thinking city with such a strong sense of community" is going to be an insufferable douchebag.

And he isn't investing in the community by being politically active: hes just doing what he enjoys, and being typically progressive: demanding the actions of others should be limited to what he prefers.
 
2014-01-21 08:59:54 AM  

robodog: And the bristle cone pines laugh at such a youngone, methusala is 4,845 years old and a newly discovered (and yet unnamed) specimen is 5,064 years old.


Have you ever heard the song "Bristlecone Pine"?  This version is by Michael Johnson and is a great rendition.

https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Ec1tAM9BOPM
 
2014-01-21 09:12:32 AM  

penthesilea: Don't let this man join the board of an HOA.


But just think of the Fark headlines it could invoke. Think of the greater good! The greater good!
 
2014-01-21 09:19:38 AM  
I planted a tree in my back yard and the neighbor lady came over with her pants full of butt hurt. Turns out that in 10 years that tree was going to block her view of the neighborhood pond. She informed me that I was to ask her permission if I was going to plant any more trees.

So I pointed out that at 75 years old, she:
A) Wasn't going to be around in 10 years to see the view.
B) In 10 years she wouldn't even remember this conversation.

Couldn't deliver those comments with a straight face, so I am not sure if my laughing or the message was what made her go to DEFCON 1. Either way, one less Christmas card I have to send out now.
 
2014-01-21 09:20:23 AM  

Skyd1v: Our neighborhood doesn't have a HOA per se, but we do have a set of restrictions on removing trees from our yards.  Namely that for every tree removed it has to be replaced with another one, or 3 flowering bushes.

Our lot had numerous cottonwood trees on it, and I lived with them for 2 years until I couldn't take the pollen anymore.  One weekend I broke out the chainsaw and committed a mass genocide (treeocide?) wiping out almost all of them.  Then I sat back and waited for someone to say something.

Been 7 years.  Still waiting.  I imagine that no one else liked the cottonwoods either.


Nobody likes cottonwoods.
 
2014-01-21 09:31:51 AM  

Xellossnut: Plus it was the kind of chestnut, black chestnut I think cause you couldn't eat the nuts they would make you sick but they had a spiky outer shell around the nut.



Likely a horse chestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum) tree. These are not related to the American chestnut (Castanea dentata), but are related to the Buckeye tree/bush.
 
2014-01-21 09:53:09 AM  
He used the term "per se", therefor all of his valid points are null. Wait...he had no valid points, you say? Well, I'm shocked...shocked!
 
2014-01-21 09:57:42 AM  
I thought the best point in the comments in TFA was made by the guy who asked, "If a limb fell off your neighbor's tree and crushed your car or killed your dog, who would you sue?"

The author would--of course--sue the neighbor, claiming that the neighbor had been negligent in his responsibility to ensure that the tree was in adequate health, properly pruned, and so forth.

Rights and responsibilities go hand in hand. If the neighbor is responsible for the tree, then the neighbor has a right to do with the tree as he pleases.
 
2014-01-21 10:00:39 AM  

ubermensch: Now, now. Why call him a blogger, subby? If Fark has taught me one thing, it's that bloggers are legitimate journalists and should be identified as such.


Yes, but it's not so much that bloggers have ascended to the level of real journalists, but rather the journalists have all descended to the level of bloggers...
 
2014-01-21 10:06:04 AM  

shda5582: Benevolent Misanthrope: And if you read to the very end, you learn that he's a renter.  He has no investment it the neighborhood.  He's just another entitled little shiat who thinks the world exists to suit him.

What an asshole.

Oh, so he's a libtard?


Yes, exactly.
 
2014-01-21 10:07:43 AM  

WTFDYW: bikkurikun: Benevolent Misanthrope: And if you read to the very end, you learn that he's a renter.  He has no investment it the neighborhood.  He's just another entitled little shiat who thinks the world exists to suit him.

What an asshole.


A renter has no investment in the neighbourhood? WTF does property ownership have to do with investment in the neighbourhood? If he invests his time in trying to make the neighbourhood better he invests in it. A renter who spends time volunteering or being politically active has far more investment in a neighbourhood than someone who owns property but doesn't give a fark. Whether he is right or wrong, he obviously cares for how the neighbourhood is looking, so he invests in it.

I don't get the property ownership fetish. Even if you own property, unless you are in the middle of nowhere, you still live in a community and the long terms needs of the community are more important than the individual short-term whims of a property owner.

But then again I am living in Europe where indeed there are laws against these kind of things; you can't just cut down trees on your land unless there is a valid reason for it, just as you can't built what you want if other people have to look at it too, and you can't alter historical buildings without permission. I think those perfectly sane rules aimed at preserving the community in the long term as that it is deemed far more important than the individual needs, whether you own the property or not.

Stay the fark right where you are at then. There's enough dipshiats already here that think we should live under the same rules and standards the Europeans do. Why the fark do you think our ancestors left there and came here?

/enjoy your lack of property rights


The major exporters of lumber in the world aren't really located in any part of Eastern Europe, so it sort of makes sense that they may have a different idea of what to think of trees since they don't really have much of a history of lumbering.
 
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