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(Boston.com)   Blogger is incredulous that his neighbor has the right to cut down a tree, on the neighbor's own property, so he goes whining to the city. Not surprisingly, quite a few people have a problem with his point of view   (boston.com) divider line 243
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2014-01-20 10:27:29 PM
One of the commenters had it exactly right. I don't like when trees are cut down either but to quote: "If you don't like what your neighbors are doing with their trees, move."

If you want to get into a philosophical discussion about the nature of property ownership, take things back to when the land was in its pristine state before anyone owned it and those trees were most likely not even there.

Flip the whole thing around and suppose you wanted nice shade for your driveway but the only place to plant a tree would be on a neighbor's property. They have no obligation to do so, no matter how nice it would be for the "community".
 
2014-01-20 10:41:53 PM
Is it crazy or un-American to suggest that, at a certain point, a tree is no longer one person's private property per se, and belongs to the community?

Yes.
 
2014-01-20 10:49:31 PM
And if you read to the very end, you learn that he's a renter.  He has no investment it the neighborhood.  He's just another entitled little shiat who thinks the world exists to suit him.

What an asshole.
 
2014-01-20 10:49:48 PM
Stopped reading at "my landlord".
 
2014-01-20 10:55:32 PM
We had a beautiful tree in the middle of our driveway circle, and it dropped a farking branch on my car the size of a medium sized tree.  I cut that farker down the next day.  It took a farking year to get rid of the stump, but we have a nice longleaf pine there now.

Trees need to be cut down for all kinds of reasons.  If his neighbor needs a shed, then his neighbor needs a shed.  It's not Patrick Smith's place to decide what other people do with trees on their property.  He's free to plant trees in his own yard if he wants.
 
2014-01-20 11:00:07 PM

Lsherm: We had a beautiful tree in the middle of our driveway circle, and it dropped a farking branch on my car the size of a medium sized tree.  I cut that farker down the next day.  It took a farking year to get rid of the stump, but we have a nice longleaf pine there now.

Trees need to be cut down for all kinds of reasons.  If his neighbor needs a shed, then his neighbor needs a shed.  It's not Patrick Smith's place to decide what other people do with trees on their property.  He's free to plant trees in his own yard if he wants.


Actually, he's not.  You see, he's a renter.  He'd have to ask permission of the person who owns the property.  But he seems to think his rent includes voting rights on the disposition of his neighbors' private property, because he can see their trees and likes them.  It's typical toddler reasoning - If I can see it, it's mine.

Entitled little shiat.
 
2014-01-20 11:14:27 PM
"I wouldn't sue" - PS

Complete and udder bullshiat. The first thing this douche would do is sue the neighbor if the tree fell over and crushed his car and state that the tree was dangerous and should've been cut down long ago.

/His sense of entitlement makes him soound like he's a cocksucking renter douchebag.
 
2014-01-20 11:16:47 PM

Lsherm: We had a beautiful tree in the middle of our driveway circle, and it dropped a farking branch on my car the size of a medium sized tree.  I cut that farker down the next day.  It took a farking year to get rid of the stump, but we have a nice longleaf pine there now.

Trees need to be cut down for all kinds of reasons.  If his neighbor needs a shed, then his neighbor needs a shed.  It's not Patrick Smith's place to decide what other people do with trees on their property.  He's free to plant trees in his own yard if he wants.


I had an enormous tree in my backyard about ten years ago. It was big enough that it would take three people to warp their arms around it. One day while watching TV in my family room, I heard a popping sound. I thought the asshole neighbor kids were throwing firecrackers at my dog again. As it turns out, the tree had snapped off a main branch and crushed my neighbor's garage with his car inside, totaling both. The arborist my mom hired to look at the tree said the branch pointed at our house could easily have come down as well, which likely would have killed/seriously injured me and my dog. The tree was down in four days and the wood went to a friend of mine who heats his house with a wood burning furnace.
 
2014-01-20 11:17:37 PM

So. This is my town. I've lived here since 2002, and bought a postage stamp condo in the "gentrifying" section of town in August.



Somerville, MA is the most densely populated city in New England. We invented Fluff and the necco waver. The first American Flag was flown in Somerville. We have the oldest co-ed public high school in the US.

It's not all good. Somerville is a weird place, going through a bit of an identity crisis. Whitey Bulger, a gangster, killed a bunch of people in my new "gentrifying" neighborhood, and the income disparity is off the charts. DINKS like us can afford to spend several hundred thousand dollars on 700sq feet, but we still have a very high free and reduced lunch* program in the public schools. What was once a very blue collar, working class town has turned partly into a very, very hip, expensive, young area.

The neighborhood this douche lives in - Davis Sq- has some of the highest rents in Massachusetts- and they live side by side with people who have owned their house for generations, and are confused with by the boutique humus shop and all the farking froyo joints.

Anyway, I just want to say that while Davis Sq can be more insufferable than Berkeley, I love this town. This guy? He's a dick. But very very soon, he will meet some pretentious young girl, they'll buy a Bernese Mountain Dog, scrape the Elizabeth Warren sticker off the Prius and move to the a planned community in Hingham.

And good riddance.

*organic, high protein low gluten lunches. Some of the best in the country.
 
2014-01-20 11:23:14 PM
Follow-up note from the author:
Comments to this story seem to be harping on the fact that I'm a renter and not an owner; that neither property involved in this story belongs to me. I fail to see how or why that matters in the greater context of my argument. It feels to me like a loophole-ish way of invalidating my points. - PS


Stop typing, jackass. Maybe it sucks that the trees were cut down, but beyond saying as much, it's not your call as to what does or doesn't happen to them.
 
2014-01-20 11:23:32 PM
(And keep in mind the closeness of properties here in Somerville -- the most densely populated city in America. Maybe, if you're in the suburbs or further from the city, you can't quite relate to this debate, but for some of us urbanites, even a single tree makes a gigantic difference in the way a property looks and feels.)


Right. So here is where I lose my farking mind. The most densely populated city in America???? urbanites?? A single tree?? You're not in Cabrini Green you farking twat, you're on a tree lined street a few blocks from the center of town. There's a bike path two blocks from your house. You live half a mile from Elizabeth Warren.

I hope you get eaten by a bear.
 
2014-01-20 11:27:04 PM
I really like large trees.  One of the reasons I bought the house I did was because it has a couple huge oaks on it.

The one in the rear is on my property, but just barely.  When a new family moved into the house whose property borders it and started removing a lot of the vegetation, I was worried they might think the tree was theirs and try to do something to it.  I thought about going over, but 'Welcome to the neighborhood - don't touch my tree' didn't sound neighborly in my head.

Thankfully they didn't mess with it, but I still feel I need to do something to mark it as mine to keep something from happening to it in the future, especially since it stands outside of my fence (which was there before I moved in).

I'm thinking about putting up a decorative stone circle and some mulch around the base so that they realize I have a claim to it.
 
2014-01-20 11:28:41 PM
I know I got pissed when my one neighbors got the church that shares our back property lines to cut down some trees, especially since this year the wind knocked down part of the fence, plus more noise, and not just on Sundays, but this is ridiculous.

At least we got the wood, and a hell of a lot of wood chips for the urban garden from the guy doing the tree cutting.  You deal with it, and move on.
 
2014-01-20 11:38:38 PM
Hell the way it is trending in this country he will be able to marry his neighbors tree soon.
 
2014-01-20 11:41:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: but I still feel I need to do something to mark it as mine to keep something from happening to it in the future,


How about a low stone wall?

www.ecorazzi.com
 
2014-01-20 11:42:49 PM
If you don't like what someone is doing with their property, you should buy their property.

If you can't afford to buy their property, you should move.

If you can't or don't want to move, you should shut the fark up.
 
2014-01-20 11:43:12 PM

what_now: We invented Fluff and the necco waver.


Yuck.
 
2014-01-20 11:43:16 PM

mikeray: Hell the way it is trending in this country he will be able to marry his neighbors tree soon.


We had a good thread going.  And then you decided to post.
 
2014-01-20 11:43:58 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I really like large trees.  One of the reasons I bought the house I did was because it has a couple huge oaks on it.

The one in the rear is on my property, but just barely.  When a new family moved into the house whose property borders it and started removing a lot of the vegetation, I was worried they might think the tree was theirs and try to do something to it.  I thought about going over, but 'Welcome to the neighborhood - don't touch my tree' didn't sound neighborly in my head.

Thankfully they didn't mess with it, but I still feel I need to do something to mark it as mine to keep something from happening to it in the future, especially since it stands outside of my fence (which was there before I moved in).

I'm thinking about putting up a decorative stone circle and some mulch around the base so that they realize I have a claim to it.


Wait until they have a backyard cookout or something, go outside in full sight of them, and piss on the tree.
 
2014-01-20 11:46:00 PM

mikeray: Hell the way it is trending in this country he will be able to marry his neighbors tree soon.


TIMMMMAYYYYYYYY
 
2014-01-20 11:48:12 PM

Fark It: mikeray: Hell the way it is trending in this country he will be able to marry his neighbors tree soon.

We had a good thread going.  And then you decided to post.


Continue your thread dude I am just joking.
 
2014-01-20 11:51:04 PM

Marmilman: mikeray: Hell the way it is trending in this country he will be able to marry his neighbors tree soon.

TIMMMMAYYYYYYYY


Hey I can joke about that subject, my boyfriend is gay.
 
2014-01-20 11:52:33 PM
Seattle has a different view of trees: old ones, like the douchebag blogger loves, have a tendency to come crashing down in winter windstorms.

One of the first things people ask about is about old, dangerous trees in the neighborhood.

There are plenty of trees - cut one down, plant another one.  It's not like there is a shortage of them.
 
2014-01-20 11:59:21 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And if you read to the very end, you learn that he's a renter.  He has no investment it the neighborhood.  He's just another entitled little shiat who thinks the world exists to suit him.

What an asshole.


That was my take on this too. Maybe he should move if he's so unhappy with what his neighbors are doing.
 
2014-01-21 12:01:03 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I really like large trees.  One of the reasons I bought the house I did was because it has a couple huge oaks on it.

The one in the rear is on my property, but just barely.  When a new family moved into the house whose property borders it and started removing a lot of the vegetation, I was worried they might think the tree was theirs and try to do something to it.  I thought about going over, but 'Welcome to the neighborhood - don't touch my tree' didn't sound neighborly in my head.

Thankfully they didn't mess with it, but I still feel I need to do something to mark it as mine to keep something from happening to it in the future, especially since it stands outside of my fence (which was there before I moved in).

I'm thinking about putting up a decorative stone circle and some mulch around the base so that they realize I have a claim to it.


You could do what I did - just go over, introduce yourself and welcome them, and say, "I love what you're doig with the yard!  Oh - by the way - that big tree over there looks like it's over the line, but you don't have to take care of it.  It's on my property.  I'd appreciate it, though, if you didn't prune it before asking me - I'm rather partial to it."  Or some such.  I actually got permission from my neighbor to cut down a small tree in his yard that he wasn't maintaining and that blocked my view.
 
2014-01-21 12:06:44 AM
Don't let this man join the board of an HOA.
 
2014-01-21 12:10:21 AM
Keep in mind when bashing HOAs: This is why some people like HOAs.
 
2014-01-21 12:13:31 AM
I guarandamntee you this guy is a lifelong liberal
 
2014-01-21 12:13:51 AM
Here's a thought: Plant your own damn tree in your own damn yard. Problem farking solved.
 
2014-01-21 12:14:34 AM
Is it...un-American to suggest that, at a certain point, a tree is no longer one person's private property per se, and belongs to the community?

Redcoats get stitches.
 
2014-01-21 12:21:15 AM
was it a "molesting" tree?
 
2014-01-21 12:21:38 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Keep in mind when bashing HOAs: This is why some people like HOAs.


Yep. I hate HOAs and the people who like them.
 
2014-01-21 12:21:52 AM
Is it crazy or un-American to suggest that, at a certain point, a tree is no longer one person's private property per se, and belongs to the community? And at that point, should the property owner be restricted as to what he or she may do with said tree?

Yes, moran, it is.  The right to do what you wish with your own property (barring an agreement stating otherwise or a public health issue) is at the heart of the American Way of Life, what little of it is left in this day and age.  Also, could you look or sound any more hipster-ish?  Wow.
 
2014-01-21 12:22:22 AM

what_now: So. This is my town. I've lived here since 2002, and bought a postage stamp condo in the "gentrifying" section of town in August.

Somerville, MA is the most densely populated city in New England. We invented Fluff and the necco waver. The first American Flag was flown in Somerville. We have the oldest co-ed public high school in the US.

It's not all good. Somerville is a weird place, going through a bit of an identity crisis. Whitey Bulger, a gangster, killed a bunch of people in my new "gentrifying" neighborhood, and the income disparity is off the charts. DINKS like us can afford to spend several hundred thousand dollars on 700sq feet, but we still have a very high free and reduced lunch* program in the public schools. What was once a very blue collar, working class town has turned partly into a very, very hip, expensive, young area.

The neighborhood this douche lives in - Davis Sq- has some of the highest rents in Massachusetts- and they live side by side with people who have owned their house for generations, and are confused with by the boutique humus shop and all the farking froyo joints.

Anyway, I just want to say that while Davis Sq can be more insufferable than Berkeley, I love this town. This guy? He's a dick. But very very soon, he will meet some pretentious young girl, they'll buy a Bernese Mountain Dog, scrape the Elizabeth Warren sticker off the Prius and move to the a planned community in Hingham.

And good riddance.

*organic, high protein low gluten lunches. Some of the best most pretentious in the country.


/I tease.
 
kab
2014-01-21 12:22:48 AM
Blogger hasn't wrapped his head around the notion that here in the ever-righteous US, you only get to infringe on your neighbors efforts when they want to build something, rather than when they want to remove it.

Want to chop down trees?   Well it's your property!

Want to build a deck?  Well.. just a minute...you need permission for that!  What, do you think that's your property?
 
2014-01-21 12:23:17 AM

what_now: ????


Cluster B detected.

Anyone who uses multiple question marks to end a sentence is almost certainly a Cluster B -- avoid them at all costs.
 
2014-01-21 12:23:52 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: And if you read to the very end, you learn that he's a renter.  He has no investment it the neighborhood.  He's just another entitled little shiat who thinks the world exists to suit him.

What an asshole.


Oh, so he's a libtard?
 
2014-01-21 12:24:52 AM
I know in Sydney the regs are such that people hire tree assassins to poison trees obstructing the harbor view.

Around this part of Dallas I know a bunch of towns have a list of trees you can plant, trees you can cut down, and trees you cannot cut down.
 
2014-01-21 12:26:35 AM
One of the saddest sounds in the world is the sound of a chainsaw!
 
2014-01-21 12:27:07 AM
...it did the whole neighborhood a service by concealing the front facade of the guy's house, which -- there's no polite way of putting this -- is one of the ugliest and tackiest house on the block. I do not find aesthetically pleasing.

Interesting. I found a polite way of putting it.
 
2014-01-21 12:28:05 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Keep in mind when bashing HOAs: This is why some people like HOAs.


This is why I live in an wonderfully landscaped HOA where our parks and green spaces preserved some of the old growth, and commonly MAINTAIN them.
 
2014-01-21 12:30:49 AM

Solutare: what_now: ????

Cluster B detected.

Anyone who uses multiple question marks to end a sentence is almost certainly a Cluster B -- avoid them at all costs.


I don't know about the question mark thing, but I love that you're using this as a proper noun.
 
2014-01-21 12:31:49 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I guarandamntee you this guy is a lifelong liberal


Dyed in the wool
 
2014-01-21 12:31:50 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I really like large trees.  One of the reasons I bought the house I did was because it has a couple huge oaks on it.

The one in the rear is on my property, but just barely.  When a new family moved into the house whose property borders it and started removing a lot of the vegetation, I was worried they might think the tree was theirs and try to do something to it.  I thought about going over, but 'Welcome to the neighborhood - don't touch my tree' didn't sound neighborly in my head.

Thankfully they didn't mess with it, but I still feel I need to do something to mark it as mine to keep something from happening to it in the future, especially since it stands outside of my fence (which was there before I moved in).

I'm thinking about putting up a decorative stone circle and some mulch around the base so that they realize I have a claim to it.


Just introduce yourself to the neighbors, point out the tree and say "Even though it's outside the fence, that tree is inside my property line.  However, since I realize it's overhanging your property, let me know if I have to prune it or if it's making you nervous."

You lay a claim and accept responsibility for it, so they won't worry about asking you to prune it if it is causing problems on their side of the property line.  Our old house had an oak that overhang our property, and my neighbor did the same thing.  He was 70 years old, said he planted the tree with his dead wife decades ago, and he realized it could cause problems in our ridiculously small backyard (Alexandria, VA).  I didn't have any problem asking him to bring in a tree guy when it dropped a giant branch after hurricane Isabel.

If it's your tree and you're willing to accept responsibility for it, then there won't be a problem.  The downside is that you are liable for taking care of it.
 
2014-01-21 12:31:54 AM
Idiot new neighbors cut down a healthy (and gorgeous) willow and do it yourself *paved* their backyard.
Cost me $200 to install a berm to stop their new 'yard' from flooding my already wet yard. Another 200 for a higher back fence because they pointed their damn light at my house and asking politely had no result.
New berms on their other neighbors' lawns has given them a nice swimming pool when it rains...and as of this fall the willow's popping back up for a third time.

Punchline: Asked local landscape company what they could do about their flooding yard without spending a lot...his answer was "Tear up the concrete and plant a thirsty tree, maybe a willow."

This article guy, this guy is a douche. If their removal of the tree had an effect on the neighboring properties other than 'look,' he'd have a legitimate point of view. Maybe.
 
2014-01-21 12:32:13 AM

mikeray: Marmilman: mikeray: Hell the way it is trending in this country he will be able to marry his neighbors tree soon.

TIMMMMAYYYYYYYY

Hey I can joke about that subject, my boyfriend is gay.


But is he a tree?
 
2014-01-21 12:34:05 AM

stirfrybry: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I guarandamntee you this guy is a lifelong liberal

Dyed in the wool


Yeah, because conservatives have never, ever tried to tell other people what they can and can't do.
 
2014-01-21 12:34:32 AM
I think that I shall never see
a tard as entitled as this yuppie


Seriously, he spends the ENTIRE article showing how butthurt he is that his neighbors cut down trees he liked for various reasons that seemed good to them. It sounds like the kind of talk my grandpa would have had low level skirmishes with the neighbors over the years... except he never got in sissy fits on the internet about how people should do what he wants.
 
2014-01-21 12:38:08 AM
I have a very large cedar (200ft+) on the border between my neigbour's place and mine. He wanted to cut it down, offered to pay for it. It craps needles 365 days a year all over all our cars and driveways. I called the city to see who's tree it was. I was told that it is my tree, and I cannot cut it down, it's protected. The only way I could cut it down is if it were diseased. I like trees, so not a huge deal. It does make a ridiculous mess, I was surprised to find out that I couldn't do what I wanted on my own property though.
 
2014-01-21 12:39:03 AM

Harry_Seldon: Three Crooked Squirrels: Keep in mind when bashing HOAs: This is why some people like HOAs.

This is why I live in an wonderfully landscaped HOA where our parks and green spaces preserved some of the old growth, and commonly MAINTAIN them.


Do the fees cover the cost of smug or do you pay for that out of your own pocket?
 
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