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(Pro Football Talk)   NFL considering doing away with extra point after TD. Thinking about giving 7 for TD. You can go for 8 by passing or running, but if you fail, you go back to 6. He Hate Me nods approval   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 120
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2014-01-20 11:40:14 PM  
Goddammit Fidel Goodell, the Eagles/Lions game from this year is NOT an example to be followed.
 
2014-01-20 11:43:04 PM  
why not eliminate all kicking from football.
 
2014-01-20 11:48:04 PM  
Make whoever scores the touchdown kick the extra point*

*If the scoring player is injured on the play, the coach kicks it.
 
2014-01-20 11:49:03 PM  
I'm ok with this. Extra points are pretty stupid.
 
2014-01-20 11:53:44 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm ok with this. Extra points are pretty stupid.


But where will they squeeze in the extra commercials?  Touchdown.  Commercial.  Review.  Commercial.  Extra point.  Commercial.  Kick off.  Commercial.
 
2014-01-20 11:58:16 PM  

Mmmrky: DamnYankees: I'm ok with this. Extra points are pretty stupid.

But where will they squeeze in the extra commercials?  Touchdown.  Commercial.  Review.  Commercial.  Extra point.  Commercial.  Kick off.  Commercial.


Touchdown. Commercial. Review. Commercial. Announcement of decision whether to go for two. Commercial. Kickoff. Commercial.
 
2014-01-21 12:01:49 AM  
I think that defenses should be allowed to run up their teammates backs or get catapulted in any manner in order to try to block kicks.  It would make the kicking game totally awesome since defenses would be reluctant to do it often for fear they'd paralyze one of their own, but when they did, hooo boy, look out.  And offenses could see them planning a catapult and call a fake!  Yes!  Oddly enough, defenses would probably want to use one of their lightest players as the human missile which would probably be their own kicker or punter.

Yes, I dream about retarded shiat like this.
 
2014-01-21 12:04:44 AM  

Mmmrky: DamnYankees: I'm ok with this. Extra points are pretty stupid.

But where will they squeeze in the extra commercials?  Touchdown.  Commercial.  Review.  Commercial.  Extra point.  Commercial.  Kick off.  Commercial.


In the final three minutes in the Seattle-SF game, the commercial was for Viagra.  The commercial ended prematurely, interrupted by game actiokn that wasn't planned.  But then they went right back to commercial and the Viagra slot was extended.

So, I'm sure there will be plenty of ED and Peyton Manning pizza commercials to fill the extra time.  And, of course, Tony Siragusa and Jimmy Johnson incontinence commercials will want their turn as well.
 
2014-01-21 12:06:12 AM  

DamnYankees: Mmmrky: DamnYankees: I'm ok with this. Extra points are pretty stupid.

But where will they squeeze in the extra commercials?  Touchdown.  Commercial.  Review.  Commercial.  Extra point.  Commercial.  Kick off.  Commercial.

Touchdown. Commercial. Review. Commercial. Announcement of decision whether to go for two. Commercial. Kickoff. Commercial.


Well, that's just crazy.

Wait until the networks realize there's a good 40s between plays that is completely wasted with inane commentary.  To be fair, Fox tried that last night during the NFC championship in the 4th quarter with a premature two minute warning.
 
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2014-01-21 12:29:58 AM  

DamnYankees: I'm ok with this. Extra points are pretty stupid.


If you got rid of everything stupid in the NFL, half of the owner's boxes in the NFC East would sit empty.
 
2014-01-21 12:41:35 AM  

jbc: If you got rid of everything stupid in the NFL, half of the owner's boxes in the NFC East would sit empty.


I'm not sure which way you're arguing that.
 
2014-01-21 12:51:16 AM  

Triumph: jbc: If you got rid of everything stupid in the NFL, half of the owner's boxes in the NFC East would sit empty.

I'm not sure which way you're arguing that.



I'm assuming that's an argument for getting rid of Dan Snyder and Jerry jones.
Lurie and Mara are pretty good owners, after all.
 
2014-01-21 12:54:15 AM  

SilentStrider: Triumph: jbc: If you got rid of everything stupid in the NFL, half of the owner's boxes in the NFC East would sit empty.

I'm not sure which way you're arguing that.


I'm assuming that's an argument for getting rid of Dan Snyder and Jerry jones.
Lurie and Mara are pretty good owners, after all.


No, I understood that he meant Jones and Snyder, I just don't know whether he's arguing if getting rid of them would be a good or bad idea.
 
2014-01-21 12:58:20 AM  
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Yes I know it wasn't an extra point, but it was from like the 2 yard line.
 
2014-01-21 01:03:36 AM  

ManateeGag: why not eliminate all kicking from football.


With any luck, we can completely eliminate using feet at all in football.
 
2014-01-21 01:10:58 AM  

Mmmrky: But where will they squeeze in the extra commercials?


That's why this won't happen, unless they come up with some other way to make up for the lost revenue.

But this sounds awesome:

Solid State Vittles: I think that defenses should be allowed to run up their teammates backs or get catapulted in any manner in order to try to block kicks.  It would make the kicking game totally awesome since defenses would be reluctant to do it often for fear they'd paralyze one of their own, but when they did, hooo boy, look out.  And offenses could see them planning a catapult and call a fake!  Yes!  Oddly enough, defenses would probably want to use one of their lightest players as the human missile which would probably be their own kicker or punter.

 
2014-01-21 01:39:58 AM  
If it's so automatic, what is gained by cutting it out? It's the possibility of failure or a dramatic block that makes it worth keeping. I'll bet this guy wishes he had another shot at his "automatic" extra point...


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That, more than any other reason, is why it should be kept.
 
2014-01-21 01:49:31 AM  
Oh for fark's sake. Just no.
 
2014-01-21 01:52:04 AM  
Goodell is just absolutely going to insist on taking the New Coke path with the NFL isnt he?
 
2014-01-21 02:00:18 AM  
Fine. Let the Eurotrolls win and just call it "handegg."
 
2014-01-21 02:00:45 AM  
Roger Goodell is going to get the NFL killed and not even comprehend what happened afterwards.
 
2014-01-21 02:02:27 AM  
How about we move the XP to the 40 yardline?
 
2014-01-21 02:20:51 AM  

Solid State Vittles: I think that defenses should be allowed to run up their teammates backs or get catapulted in any manner in order to try to block kicks.  It would make the kicking game totally awesome since defenses would be reluctant to do it often for fear they'd paralyze one of their own, but when they did, hooo boy, look out.  And offenses could see them planning a catapult and call a fake!  Yes!  Oddly enough, defenses would probably want to use one of their lightest players as the human missile which would probably be their own kicker or punter.

Yes, I dream about retarded shiat like this.


I love you.
 
2014-01-21 02:24:37 AM  
I like the idea of the defense doing that snap together like Voltron move from rugby and hoisting someone up in the air to block.
 
2014-01-21 02:26:29 AM  

superdolfan1: In the final three minutes in the Seattle-SF game, the commercial was for Viagra. The commercial ended prematurely, interrupted by game actiokn that wasn't planned. But then they went right back to commercial and the Viagra slot was extended.


Yeah, the game came back abruptly toward the end of a kickoff return. But there was a flag on the play and while the refs deliberated they went back to commercial. And then they come back to a 1st-and-10 from like the 15. The TV production never bothered to replay the kickoff or the penalty (I think it was a hold) or anything that just happened. It's kind of annoying.
 
2014-01-21 02:32:25 AM  
This is a good move, but they need to do a few more things.
1) Make field goal posts closer together.  Having reliable 40 yarders is boring.
2) Remove kneeling.  Watching exciting games end with 2 minutes of calculated boredom is not entertaining.
3) Remove spiking.  You burned your time outs?  Well then you better play!
4) Remove offsides for defensive players rocking a tiny bit on the line of scrimmage, or head bobbing.  Offsides should be when you cross the line, not when you sway in the wind.
 
2014-01-21 02:37:57 AM  

Solid State Vittles: I think that defenses should be allowed to run up their teammates backs or get catapulted in any manner in order to try to block kicks.  It would make the kicking game totally awesome since defenses would be reluctant to do it often for fear they'd paralyze one of their own, but when they did, hooo boy, look out.  And offenses could see them planning a catapult and call a fake!  Yes!  Oddly enough, defenses would probably want to use one of their lightest players as the human missile which would probably be their own kicker or punter.

Yes, I dream about retarded shiat like this.


i for one would like to see your retarded shiat dreams become a reality.
 
2014-01-21 02:44:28 AM  
No, they should keep the extra point.  However they should change it so that the only one allowed to kick the point is the person who scored the TD. That way it is a little more iffy, especially if it is something like a lineman recovering a fumble taking it in or a defensive player running back an interception/fumble. If you remove the specialized kicker from the role, it puts more uncertainty into the play.
 
2014-01-21 02:45:30 AM  

lelio: I like the idea of the defense doing that snap together like Voltron move from rugby and hoisting someone up in the air to block.


I could be all 'that guy' and suggest that most of the problems in the NFL could be fixed by going back to rugby rules. But I actually enjoy watching the NFL, insane made-for-TV game that it is.

Ahh, to hell with it
go back to rugby rules, the kick must be taken in line with where the touchdown was scored.
It'd make the kicks scored by a toe half an inch in from the sideline, harder and (potentially) give an incentive to teams to try to score through the middle.

OK rugby haters, am I wrong?
 
2014-01-21 02:53:16 AM  

Likwit: How about we move the XP to the 40 yardline?


That's what I was thinking. Maybe not to the 40 but far enough back to add a little uncertainty to it.

/wouldn't change it but if you're going to fark with it.
 
2014-01-21 02:56:56 AM  
I'm not suggesting that they actually do this but I think it would be interesting if incomplete passes were live balls...I would imagine if the ball went out of bounds it would be a change in possession and if that was the case there would probably be a lot more concussions and spinal injuries due to players diving for a loose ball.  The game would be unrecognizable but it would be fun if you could enable this option on Madden since doing it with actual humans would either cause tons of injuries or a reversion back to every team running the Maryland I.
I also think it would be amusing if in baseball once an inning was over that any runner who was on a base at the end of said inning started off the next inning on that same base but what with MLB banning home plate collisions because of whatever stupid reason they decided to use that will never happen.
A more realistic suggestion would be that after scoring a touchdown giving the team a point for kicking it through the uprights on the kickoff although it would make it so that the Broncos never lost a home game ever again since Prater boots it through the uprights all the time at home.
Honestly they should just keep it the way it is, it's working just fine.
 
2014-01-21 03:10:26 AM  
So Belichick is really gonna persue this Welker thing? As a Pats fan, I'd really like to just see him drop it. He should be more upset with himself for letting Welker and Danny Woodhead get away. Now all they have is Edelman, a fragile Gronk and some other receiver who didn't do much the last few games.
 
2014-01-21 03:12:29 AM  
To the people suggesting the scoring player make the kick... That's as retarded as making the second baseman pitching the next inning because he hit a home run his last at bat.

Catapulting/trampolining lineman on defense i could get behind though...
 
2014-01-21 03:15:07 AM  
Use something similar to how rugby determines extra points after a try.

Move the ball back directly 2 yards from the goal line plus the depth of where the catch occurred if the TD was scored by a catch. You don't use the hash marks to determine the extreme right or left of where to spot the ball. So, if someone scores a TD by running it to the corner and barely getting the ball past the plane of the goal line, the spot for the PAT attempt is going to be that close to the out of bounds line and 2 yards away from the goal line, making it an insanely narrow corridor to kick it through the uprights, increasing the possibility of a miss. If you score up the middle, you give your kicker a straight shot.

It not only makes the PAT less of a sure thing, but it changes the dynamic of red zone offense; do you try to get the 6 by an outside pass or run, or do you try to score closer to to the middle to make the PAT easier?
 
2014-01-21 03:45:06 AM  

Ishkur: superdolfan1: In the final three minutes in the Seattle-SF game, the commercial was for Viagra. The commercial ended prematurely, interrupted by game actiokn that wasn't planned. But then they went right back to commercial and the Viagra slot was extended.

Yeah, the game came back abruptly toward the end of a kickoff return. But there was a flag on the play and while the refs deliberated they went back to commercial. And then they come back to a 1st-and-10 from like the 15. The TV production never bothered to replay the kickoff or the penalty (I think it was a hold) or anything that just happened. It's kind of annoying.


Actually, this was at the 2 minute warning. They had to come back because Steratore reset the game clock to 2:01, so it wasn't "officially" the 2 minute warning. They just re-cued  the "2 minute warning" commercial break.
 
2014-01-21 04:00:41 AM  
I'm indifferent.  

/someone will still be offended and angered by my opinion
 
2014-01-21 04:01:23 AM  
I like the idea of combining several suggestions in this thread.

a. Extra point attempt gets moved back 20 yards.
b. Make the uprights narrower by like 5 feet on each side.
c. Get rid of the hash marks. Make the kicker bend it like some English guy no one on this continent cares about.
 
2014-01-21 04:19:33 AM  

IlGreven: Actually, this was at the 2 minute warning. They had to come back because Steratore reset the game clock to 2:01, so it wasn't "officially" the 2 minute warning. They just re-cued the "2 minute warning" commercial break.


Nevertheless, this was actual game action cut out for commercial advertisement. And this happen all the time. It's like having a bunch of "mini Heidis" in every game. Where's the outrage?
 
2014-01-21 05:08:43 AM  

Ishkur: IlGreven: Actually, this was at the 2 minute warning. They had to come back because Steratore reset the game clock to 2:01, so it wasn't "officially" the 2 minute warning. They just re-cued the "2 minute warning" commercial break.

Nevertheless, this was actual game action cut out for commercial advertisement. And this happen all the time. It's like having a bunch of "mini Heidis" in every game. Where's the outrage?


Oh, it pisses me right off. So, I grab a beer, finish a wing, and see how my fantasy team is doing.
 
2014-01-21 06:09:28 AM  
The only reason for this idea -- more commercials. And more commercials. Did I mention the commercials?

/ We don't see coin tosses anymore. We used to, a very long time ago, when we also used to get every game on free network programming.
 
2014-01-21 06:25:12 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Likwit: How about we move the XP to the 40 yardline?

That's what I was thinking. Maybe not to the 40 but far enough back to add a little uncertainty to it.

/wouldn't change it but if you're going to fark with it.


 Or- sort of like an NBA 3 point shot- leave the current rule in place for a 1 point kick, but allow the
team to optionally try for a 2 point kick from say the 40-45 yard line. (somewhere where its about a 35%
success rate.)
 
2014-01-21 06:31:57 AM  

dfacto: This is a good move, but they need to do a few more things.
1) Make field goal posts closer together.  Having reliable 40 yarders is boring.
2) Remove kneeling.  Watching exciting games end with 2 minutes of calculated boredom is not entertaining.
3) Remove spiking.  You burned your time outs?  Well then you better play!
4) Remove offsides for defensive players rocking a tiny bit on the line of scrimmage, or head bobbing.  Offsides should be when you cross the line, not when you sway in the wind.


5) Eliminate the legal "throw the ball away" when the QB is flushed and about to be tackled.  The defense beat your O-line, you couldn't find a receiver, you shouldn't be able to throw it out of bounds and go back to the original line of scrimmage.  Take your lumps, take your loss.  Throwing it away should be intentional grounding.  The current rule is just another "keep the game exciting (i.e., favor the offense)".
 
2014-01-21 06:50:35 AM  
I like this idea, mostly because of the risk factor for those trying for the "new extra point" because if you screw it up, you've now only got 6 instead of the 7 you would have had.

Guaranteed XP? Yeah, only 5 misses all season? Let's try this new plan.
 
2014-01-21 07:23:59 AM  

HotWingAgenda: I like the idea of combining several suggestions in this thread.

a. Extra point attempt gets moved back 20 yards.
b. Make the uprights narrower by like 5 feet on each side.
c. Get rid of the hash marks. Make the kicker bend it like some English guy no one on this continent cares about.


DamnYankees: I'm ok with this. Extra points are pretty stupid.




Yep, XP and FG should be handled not from the hash marks, but the vertical position of the last play, or in the case of XP, from the vertical location on the field where the ball crossed the goal line.
 
2014-01-21 07:45:42 AM  
If there where no hash marks and you did score near the out of bounds line Im pretty surw it would make more sense to go for 2 than to try a that angle shot.
 
2014-01-21 07:46:56 AM  
I agree.  Because player safety.  Or some other bullshiat.  Jesus, Roger, haven't you farked the game up enough?
 
2014-01-21 07:47:12 AM  
Quit farking with the game
 
2014-01-21 07:50:50 AM  
I'm largely with dfacto. There are too many arbitrary rules that seem to exist only to try to force the game to be closer than it would otherwise be, and give a losing team a shot at a dramatic comeback that they don't deserve. Down by eight? Go for 2 pts. Out of timeouts? Clock the ball, which in any other circumstance is intentional grounding. Down by two scores? Try to recover the onsides kick, which means the game can come down to one big lucky bounce of the ball or deflection.

So yeah, I'd get rid of all those corner cases. Let the game be decided by skill and strategy, not rolls of the dice on low-percentage plays.

While I'm at it, I hate the run-back from kickoff: it's just another way to inject randomness. Nine times out of 10 the ball ends up within five yards of the 20 anyway, lots of players get hurt, and occasionally a team gets a score they haven't earned.
 
2014-01-21 08:02:21 AM  

Ishkur: IlGreven: Actually, this was at the 2 minute warning. They had to come back because Steratore reset the game clock to 2:01, so it wasn't "officially" the 2 minute warning. They just re-cued the "2 minute warning" commercial break.

Nevertheless, this was actual game action cut out for commercial advertisement. And this happen all the time. It's like having a bunch of "mini Heidis" in every game. Where's the outrage?



If I'm not mistaken, Fox didn't really miss any game action with this play.  They cut back in just as the ball was snapped.  I think we missed only the huddle and pre-snap stuff.


realityVSperception:

 Or- sort of like an NBA 3 point shot- leave the current rule in place for a 1 point kick, but allow the
team to optionally try for a 2 point kick from say the 40-45 yard line. (somewhere where its about a 35%
success rate.)



Success rate from 40-45 is much higher than 35%, it's darn near automatic now.  To get to 35%, you're looking at probably 55+ (NFL kickers were at roughly 67% from 50+ this season).

If I recall correctly, teams were successful about 50% of the time on 2-point conversions.  If you make 1-point PATs a 35% endeavor, teams will never kick the PAT, so you might as well not even have that option out there.  You probably want to make the 1-point PAT something between a 60-75% chance if you want to keep the strategy and suspense as part of the game.  You can probably achieve that if you make the PAT attempt at least 45 yards, or maybe 40 yards while also widening the hash marks.
 
2014-01-21 08:03:14 AM  
It's part of the game and has played an integral part of many epic outcomes.  I have an idea.  Lets get rid of Roger Goddell instead.
 
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