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2014-01-20 08:25:39 PM  
I wonder if Leaf would have done better in Indianapolis if he had gone there instead.
 
2014-01-20 08:30:22 PM  

SmackLT: I wonder if Leaf would have done better in Indianapolis if he had gone there instead.


Leaf and Mora would have been an epic disaster. Diddly-poo, even.
 
2014-01-20 09:27:54 PM  

Nabb1: SmackLT: I wonder if Leaf would have done better in Indianapolis if he had gone there instead.

Leaf and Mora would have been an epic disaster. Diddly-poo, even.


Holy crap. ^This!
 
2014-01-20 09:28:04 PM  
And then SD would've had to draft Peyton and immediately trade him, because as Archie used to say "We Mannings are too good to pay for the Chargers"
 
2014-01-20 09:29:07 PM  

you are a puppet: And then SD would've had to draft Peyton and immediately trade him, because as Archie used to say "We Mannings are too good to pay for the Chargers"


*play. He used to say play not pay.

(Although the other famous phrase Archie taught his kids was "fark you pay me"
 
2014-01-20 09:39:10 PM  
I'm guessing the article is about him saying they should draft RG3 so they did the opposite
 
2014-01-20 09:40:55 PM  
Remember, Indy traded up to pick Jeff George - there's no question that the 1990s Colts could have botched a number-one quarterback pick.

/according to the tags, TotalFark would let me see about 928 links relating to Jeff George rather than only this one
//nine hundred. and twenty. eight.
///puts five bucks back in his pocket
 
2014-01-20 09:41:22 PM  
Think how different the NFL would be if things had gone the other way.
 
2014-01-20 09:49:29 PM  
Yep.
I remember.
I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.
 
2014-01-20 09:56:25 PM  
Wow, according to Wikipedia, Ryan Leaf is in a Montana state prison.

I had no idea...
 
2014-01-20 10:00:27 PM  
as a charger fan...this...well...i should be used to crap like this.
 
2014-01-20 10:00:29 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Wow, according to Wikipedia, Ryan Leaf is in a Montana state prison.

I had no idea...


Yep.

Painkiller addiction, IIRC. Started breaking into houses to fund his addiction.
 
2014-01-20 10:02:07 PM  

wichitaleaf: Yep.
I remember.
I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.


I didn't know if he would be "better", but I thought he would be a pretty unbelievable quarterback with more of an upside than Peyton. This is why I'm not an NFL GM.
 
2014-01-20 10:16:56 PM  
Damn, this is, just, wow. Bust don't come any bigger.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ryanleaf/2501708/gamelogs
 
2014-01-20 10:18:12 PM  

xaks: TheGreatGazoo: Wow, according to Wikipedia, Ryan Leaf is in a Montana state prison.

I had no idea...

Yep.

Painkiller addiction, IIRC. Started breaking into houses to fund his addiction.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: wichitaleaf: Yep.
I remember.
I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.

I didn't know if he would be "better", but I thought he would be a pretty unbelievable quarterback with more of an upside than Peyton. This is why I'm not an NFL GM.


Add me to the list.  I thought he was more of a leader and had that intangible "it".  Manning couldn't win big games and acted like a spoiled douche when Florida consistently kicked the crap out of him.
 
2014-01-20 10:20:48 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: wichitaleaf: Yep.
I remember.
I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.

I didn't know if he would be "better", but I thought he would be a pretty unbelievable quarterback with more of an upside than Peyton. This is why I'm not an NFL GM.


I remember betting my roommate at the time that Leaf would be the better quarterback by far...second worse bet I ever made. Worst was betting my sister that the Hurricanes would beat Boston College...f'n Flutie...
 
2014-01-20 10:23:28 PM  

xaks: TheGreatGazoo: Wow, according to Wikipedia, Ryan Leaf is in a Montana state prison.

I had no idea...

Yep.

Painkiller addiction, IIRC. Started breaking into houses to fund his addiction.


Pretty much except he was breaking into houses he knew had painkillers and stole them directly.

http://seattletimes.com/html/cougars/2017933022_leaf08.html
 
2014-01-20 10:26:54 PM  
Ah, addiction.  Hilarious.
 
2014-01-20 10:28:28 PM  

elguerodiablo: xaks: TheGreatGazoo: Wow, according to Wikipedia, Ryan Leaf is in a Montana state prison.

I had no idea...

Yep.

Painkiller addiction, IIRC. Started breaking into houses to fund his addiction.
Adolf Oliver Nipples: wichitaleaf: Yep.
I remember.
I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.

I didn't know if he would be "better", but I thought he would be a pretty unbelievable quarterback with more of an upside than Peyton. This is why I'm not an NFL GM.

Add me to the list.  I thought he was more of a leader and had that intangible "it".  Manning couldn't win big games and acted like a spoiled douche when Florida consistently kicked the crap out of him.


I remember this. I also remember Peyton saying he didn't care where he went, he only wanted to know where he was going so he could start studying their playbook.
 
2014-01-20 10:31:51 PM  

elguerodiablo: xaks: TheGreatGazoo: Wow, according to Wikipedia, Ryan Leaf is in a Montana state prison.

I had no idea...

Yep.

Painkiller addiction, IIRC. Started breaking into houses to fund his addiction.

Pretty much except he was breaking into houses he knew had painkillers and stole them directly.

http://seattletimes.com/html/cougars/2017933022_leaf08.html


Ah. Well, I was close :)
 
2014-01-20 10:32:52 PM  
Subby dares to boldly split infinitives.

Also, why did that art-icle hyphen-ate so man-y words?
 
2014-01-20 10:39:21 PM  
So the Chargers and Leaf colluded to fix the draft.

Karma, thy name is San Diego.
 
2014-01-20 10:40:05 PM  

you are a puppet: you are a puppet: And then SD would've had to draft Peyton and immediately trade him, because as Archie used to say "We Mannings are too good to pay for the Chargers"

*play. He used to say play not pay.

(Although the other famous phrase Archie taught his kids was "fark you pay me"


LOL, you people are still sore about it even though you have Phil Rivers.  Then again, you had AJ Smith as the GM...so there was a reason why Eli didn't want to go to SD.
 
2014-01-20 10:44:41 PM  

Rwa2play: you are a puppet: you are a puppet: And then SD would've had to draft Peyton and immediately trade him, because as Archie used to say "We Mannings are too good to pay for the Chargers"

*play. He used to say play not pay.

(Although the other famous phrase Archie taught his kids was "fark you pay me"

LOL, you people are still sore about it even though you have Phil Rivers.  Then again, you had AJ Smith as the GM...so there was a reason why Eli didn't want to go to SD.


the Chargers had Drew Brees, and gave him away for either Eli or Philip Rivers

dunno, first world problems? most franchises would kill to be in that situation

/most franchises wouldn't give up Brees
 
2014-01-20 10:46:12 PM  
Rwa2play: Then again, you had AJ Smith as the GM...so there was a reason why Eli didn't want to go to SD.

This can not be emphasized enough.  Labor realized it had leverage over management, and somehow people get upset at the labor for taking advantage of the rare turn of events.
 
2014-01-20 10:59:20 PM  

Rwa2play: you are a puppet: you are a puppet: And then SD would've had to draft Peyton and immediately trade him, because as Archie used to say "We Mannings are too good to pay for the Chargers"

*play. He used to say play not pay.

(Although the other famous phrase Archie taught his kids was "fark you pay me"

LOL, you people are still sore about it even though you have Phil Rivers.  Then again, you had AJ Smith as the GM...so there was a reason why Eli didn't want to go to SD.


"You people?" I'll assume that's a comment about my race, since I'm not a Chargers fan.
 
2014-01-20 11:07:39 PM  

wichitaleaf: Yep.
I remember.
I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.


I vividly remember claiming that Leaf would be a much better pro QB and that Peyton never could get over the hump to win the big one in College, so, he'd fold under pro pressure.

I've been more wrong in my life, but not many times.
 
2014-01-20 11:29:42 PM  

SmackLT: I wonder if Leaf would have done better in Indianapolis if he had gone there instead.


I've argued in the past that where a guy is drafted matters a lot more than we tend to think, when it comes to whether a player succeeds or not. And I've used the Leaf/Manning thing to speculate on that point. The Colts prior to Manning were pretty terrible but had some talent, and had a much better front office running the show that went on to surround Manning with the core of those '00's Colts teams.

Reading this? Yeah, I guess not so much in this case. If you want to decide where you work based on proximity to the beach and you're an accountant? Sure, go nuts dude. If you're a rookie NFL QB? Yeah, maybe listen to someone.

Good What If though...

- Manning in SD probably means that the Chargers don't take Brees in '02, meaning that Brees falls even further in the second round. Likely someone takes his as a flyer if he keeps falling, but it is interesting to note that the next QB taken in that draft was  Quincy Carter at #53 overall by the Cowboys. Brees would have shown up there just in time for Bill Parcells stepping in, in '03.

- SD probably also doesn't need a QB in '04, so no Eli/Rivers swap. Oakland had the #2 pick that year, might have been #1 if SD is good with Manning. The Raiders were trying to make Kerry Collins work at QB in '04 and '05....if they can get Eli perhaps they pull the trigger? Does Eli still throw a fit, and do we have Rivers in Oakland?

- If Leaf flames out in Indy as well, the Colts next few drafts are completely different. They took Edge in '99 with the #4....if they give up on Leaf that quickly, do they have a slightly worse record and have a shot at Tim Couch, McNabb, or Akili Smith? Or instead of Edge do they take Culpepper before he gets to the Vikings at 11 that year? What about in '01....if they're still terrible, do they have a shot at Vick?
 
2014-01-20 11:34:59 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Rwa2play: Then again, you had AJ Smith as the GM...so there was a reason why Eli didn't want to go to SD.

This can not be emphasized enough.  Labor realized it had leverage over management, and somehow people get upset at the labor for taking advantage of the rare turn of events.


Nobody got upset over that. People got upset because sports teams are seen (for better or worse) as representatives of their communities, and when a player takes action to avoid going somewhere they're seen as taking a big shiat on the community. The reaction is "what's the matter? We're not good enough for you?"  That emotional response trumps a player's preference every time. After all, a player should be happy just to get drafted, right?
 
2014-01-20 11:38:04 PM  

Nadie_AZ: elguerodiablo: xaks: TheGreatGazoo: Wow, according to Wikipedia, Ryan Leaf is in a Montana state prison.

I had no idea...

Yep.

Painkiller addiction, IIRC. Started breaking into houses to fund his addiction.
Adolf Oliver Nipples: wichitaleaf: Yep.
I remember.
I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.

I didn't know if he would be "better", but I thought he would be a pretty unbelievable quarterback with more of an upside than Peyton. This is why I'm not an NFL GM.

Add me to the list.  I thought he was more of a leader and had that intangible "it".  Manning couldn't win big games and acted like a spoiled douche when Florida consistently kicked the crap out of him.

I remember this. I also remember Peyton saying he didn't care where he went, he only wanted to know where he was going so he could start studying their playbook.


I saw an interview with Peyton for one of those NFL Films specials, and he was talking about his first meeting with the Colts before the draft.  He said he wanted to make an impression on them, so he said "Look... I want to come play football for your team, but I just want you to know: if you don't pick me, I'm going to spend the next 15 years kicking your ass"
 
2014-01-20 11:47:27 PM  

Neondistraction: I saw an interview with Peyton for one of those NFL Films specials, and he was talking about his first meeting with the Colts before the draft. He said he wanted to make an impression on them, so he said "Look... I want to come play football for your team, but I just want you to know: if you don't pick me, I'm going to spend the next 15 years kicking your ass"


Except in 2013.
 
2014-01-20 11:56:22 PM  
I'm not buying it.  I remember when the Colts took Manning, and remember a lot of the press conferences with Irsay and Bill Polian and they hardly ever spoke about Leaf.  In fact, Polian said that he decided to draft Manning when he showed up for his visit with the team and said "I'd love to come play football here, but if you don't draft me, i'm gonna come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

Just like the Colts were never going to take Robert Griffin over Andrew Luck in 2012, they were never going to take Leaf over Manning, ever.

This is nonsense, Leaf was never going to be drafted by Polian, not after the Jeff George fiasco.  They were gonna go with the QB without any concerns about him being a head case or bad teammate.
 
2014-01-21 12:07:19 AM  

chopit: Ah, addiction.  Hilarious.


Duh, just look at tonight's episode of "Archer"
 
2014-01-21 12:37:36 AM  
I forget where I heard the story.  Sports Radio?  A book?  Hell I forget.  But it was a good story, and sounded very legit.

Indy was doing interviews before the combine (before Leaf could "sabotage" it).  They asked each QB: "What will you do with your signing bonus?"

Ryan Leaf said he'd go to Vegas and party, and buy some cars.

Peyton said he'd earn it.  Peyton also said that if you (Indy) passed on me for someone else, I will come back and haunt you for the rest of my career.

...and the rest they say, is history.

/fark Eli though, I hate draft manipulators.
//yeah fark you too Elway.
 
2014-01-21 01:04:50 AM  
Man, Ryan Leaf, what an asshole.  Ryan Leaf + Jim Mora could have turned that clubhouse into a Superfund site.


The Smails Kid: Subby dares to boldly split infinitives.

Also, why did that art-icle hyphen-ate so man-y words?


It's an excerpt from a book, so I guess they scanned it with OCR software, or got a PDF copy laid out like the print version, and copied it directly into the body of the article.
 
2014-01-21 01:26:23 AM  
Watching Leaf wilt under the roar of the Arrowhead crowd was one of the great sports moments of my life.
 
2014-01-21 01:34:06 AM  

thecpt: I'm guessing the article is about him saying they should draft RG3 so they did the opposite


Sigh, I figured some farker would use that.
 
2014-01-21 07:21:20 AM  

wichitaleaf: I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.


Adolf Oliver Nipples: I didn't know if he would be "better", but I thought he would be a pretty unbelievable quarterback with more of an upside than Peyton. This is why I'm not an NFL GM.


Tellingthem: I remember betting my roommate at the time that Leaf would be the better quarterback by far...second worse bet I ever made.


Wow, I feel like patting myself on the back now.  Most of my predictions for college QBs I watched when I was a student (STFU and get off my lawn) were dead-on.  I thought Ryan Leaf was one of the easier ones.  He's the textbook case on just how dumb NFL scouts are when they bundle intelligence, maturity and work ethic into some nonsensical category like "intangibles".  Had a sick amount of talent but all the maturity of an 8th grader.  That actually matters and I remember it actually pissing me off how the talking heads were overlooking that (this was well before I learned to just not give a shiat what TV personalities say).
 
2014-01-21 07:59:19 AM  

Fade2black: /fark Eli though, I hate draft manipulators.
//yeah fark you too Elway.


Sometimes a player has to look out for their long-term interets.  Imagine if David Carr had managed to avoid the Texans, he might still be a starter today.  And Eli would have had Philip Rivers' career - good, but nothing special in the grand scheme of things - but instead he is a likely HOFer if this year proves to be a fluke.  And as for Elway, well, who would choose to go to Baltimore if they could at all avoid it?  Not to mention that the Colts were fighting the city and the franchise was in absolute shambles.  Elway might have been a bust rather than a HOFer.

I have absolutely no problem with top players in the draft trying to avoid go-nowhere, soul-sucking teams and cities.
 
2014-01-21 08:35:03 AM  
Self-serving agent writing a tell all book? Not buying it. It was overdetermined that the Colts were never drafting Leaf.
 
2014-01-21 08:45:41 AM  
LEAVE ME ALONE!
 
2014-01-21 09:29:53 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Damn, this is, just, wow. Bust don't come any bigger.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ryanleaf/2501708/gamelogs


Wow. He had a whole two games with more TDs than Ints.
 
2014-01-21 09:45:56 AM  

you are a puppet: Rwa2play: you are a puppet: you are a puppet: And then SD would've had to draft Peyton and immediately trade him, because as Archie used to say "We Mannings are too good to pay for the Chargers"

*play. He used to say play not pay.

(Although the other famous phrase Archie taught his kids was "fark you pay me"

LOL, you people are still sore about it even though you have Phil Rivers.  Then again, you had AJ Smith as the GM...so there was a reason why Eli didn't want to go to SD.

"You people?" I'll assume that's a comment about my race, since I'm not a Chargers fan.


Deflection noted.

/Also:   Talk to John about this.
 
2014-01-21 09:49:53 AM  

dragonchild: wichitaleaf: I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I didn't know if he would be "better", but I thought he would be a pretty unbelievable quarterback with more of an upside than Peyton. This is why I'm not an NFL GM.

Tellingthem: I remember betting my roommate at the time that Leaf would be the better quarterback by far...second worse bet I ever made.

Wow, I feel like patting myself on the back now.  Most of my predictions for college QBs I watched when I was a student (STFU and get off my lawn) were dead-on.  I thought Ryan Leaf was one of the easier ones.  He's the textbook case on just how dumb NFL scouts are when they bundle intelligence, maturity and work ethic into some nonsensical category like "intangibles".  Had a sick amount of talent but all the maturity of an 8th grader.  That actually matters and I remember it actually pissing me off how the talking heads were overlooking that (this was well before I learned to just not give a shiat what TV personalities say).


That's the problem with scouts for the most part:  They see "OH~! THE NEXT JOE MONTANA~!" in terms of a skill set but they fail to see that the guy lacks the gray matter to put it to good use.  Scouts see gold, but others see pyrite.
 
2014-01-21 01:14:26 PM  

Rwa2play: dragonchild: wichitaleaf: I thought Leaf was going to be the better qb also.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I didn't know if he would be "better", but I thought he would be a pretty unbelievable quarterback with more of an upside than Peyton. This is why I'm not an NFL GM.

Tellingthem: I remember betting my roommate at the time that Leaf would be the better quarterback by far...second worse bet I ever made.

Wow, I feel like patting myself on the back now.  Most of my predictions for college QBs I watched when I was a student (STFU and get off my lawn) were dead-on.  I thought Ryan Leaf was one of the easier ones.  He's the textbook case on just how dumb NFL scouts are when they bundle intelligence, maturity and work ethic into some nonsensical category like "intangibles".  Had a sick amount of talent but all the maturity of an 8th grader.  That actually matters and I remember it actually pissing me off how the talking heads were overlooking that (this was well before I learned to just not give a shiat what TV personalities say).

That's the problem with scouts for the most part:  They see "OH~! THE NEXT JOE MONTANA~!" in terms of a skill set but they fail to see that the guy lacks the gray matter to put it to good use.  Scouts see gold, but others see pyrite.


No one thought Joe Montana had a great skill set coming out of college.  That's why he went at the bottom of the third round.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1979/draft.htm
 
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