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(News 13 Orlando)   Sex offender lives across the street from an elementary school. No, it's cool. He was convicted before it was illegal to live there   (mynews13.com) divider line 25
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2014-01-21 12:28:07 AM  
4 votes:

theflatline: This is fairly typical for us in Florida.

You have a lot of northerners whose parents who have retired here, who have their grown children who have committed some crime, move down here and either they get up to their old shenanigans or get outraged when they get outed.


This. There wouldn't be a Florida tag if not for dumbshiat northerners who moved down here to be with their retired parents.
2014-01-20 09:00:32 PM  
3 votes:
So wonderful that so many people think ex post facto should not apply anymore
2014-01-21 01:23:27 AM  
2 votes:
Eventually one of these sex offenders is going to feel he has no chance of ever having value in society again and do something tragic, either out of desperation or just to go out in a blaze of glory.

The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.
2014-01-21 12:45:22 AM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mitch Taylor's Bro: antidisestablishmentarianism: fusillade762: Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids wander around by themselves?

That's what I thought. I drop my kid off and pick him up from school every day.

I grew up in the 1970's and once I got to around 9 or 10 -- still elementary school age -- my folks let me ride my bike to school (about 3 miles each way) and lots of other stuff all by myself. I seriously doubt my folks were naive about this sort of thing. Have things really gotten that bad or what?

In the 70's, if a kid was molested two towns over, you'd never hear about it. Now you hear about it on cable news, Facebook, Fark, and Twitter.


The Nancy Grace effect. I saw a thing on sixty minutes, or Dateline or something, saying statistically kids are safer than ever. And people know to look for these things now.
2014-01-21 12:39:17 AM  
2 votes:
Almost all sexual abuse is someone the kid knows - either a family member or friends of the family. But it's probably easier to make a big deal about a guy living across from an elementary school than confront the real dangers to children, so let's just do that.
2014-01-20 10:54:52 PM  
2 votes:

antidisestablishmentarianism: fusillade762: Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids wander around by themselves?

That's what I thought. I drop my kid off and pick him up from school every day.


I grew up in the 1970's and once I got to around 9 or 10 -- still elementary school age -- my folks let me ride my bike to school (about 3 miles each way) and lots of other stuff all by myself. I seriously doubt my folks were naive about this sort of thing. Have things really gotten that bad or what?
2014-01-21 11:43:11 AM  
1 votes:

DingleberryMoose: Ed Grubermann: Besides, the moot likely person to molest a kid is a step-father.

I spent more than three years as a child protective services investigator.  Every child molestation case I had where something actually happened was a parent's new boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, or wife.  Quite a bit of the physical abuse, too.  I'd guess about a third.

It's amazing how poorly people select the people they are going to let be around their children in their own homes.


It's not poor choices. There's a bizarre psychology at work with step-parents. This need to "own" everything in the new relationship. Including the children. It causes some people who have no history of sexual attraction to kids, or the desire to molest kids, to, well, molest (or otherwise abuse) kids. It's not that all those step-parents are kiddy-diddlers. It's much worse than that. It's that most of them are normal and something wrong in many of our heads just kicks in in these situations.
2014-01-21 09:41:45 AM  
1 votes:
The sex offender registry is the most abused law, ever.  In NC they are making teenage kids who send selfies register and if you are 18 do not date anyone 16 or 17, who has a revenge minded parent.  A very stupid law in how it is applied.
2014-01-21 06:43:06 AM  
1 votes:
Laws requiring sex offenders to state where they live are in place for only one reason, to ensure society ostractices a person and vigilantes can scare them out of the city. Unfortunately people who have served time in jail and are no trying to be productive members of society do NOT benefit from being ostracized and prevented from leading a normal life. In past centuries this is known as punishing by humiliation and is dependent on society to make the offender regret what they did. This invites vigalantism and inevitably leads to criminal behavior especially in cases where the offender is highly stigmatized.

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2014-01-21 03:24:54 AM  
1 votes:

Dinjiin: nobody wants to demonize the soccer mom


I think it's more that nobody wants to be seen as a pedo sympathizer/apologist.
2014-01-21 02:33:50 AM  
1 votes:

Dinjiin: If you want to keep kids safe, teach them how to.


This is called victim-blaming and if your kid is female I'm told this is bad. Instead, try to stop raping so much.

Dinjiin: I attended an HOA meeting several years ago where the subject of prohibiting all registered sex offenders from moving into the neighborhood was brought up. One lady in particular was pushing for it. So I bring up the figure about how 90% of all molestations are done by somebody the child knows. I then inquired if this lady's husband was at home alone with her children.


That was a bit much. By making it personal you detracted from your valid point. You also insinuated that someone might be a child molester without any evidence at all to support such an accusation, so it was a pretty dick move.
2014-01-21 01:34:59 AM  
1 votes:

Twitch Boy: Eventually one of these sex offenders is going to feel he has no chance of ever having value in society again and do something tragic, either out of desperation or just to go out in a blaze of glory.

The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.


I've actually brought this point up and got responded to with an argument that basically went 'welp, nothing we can do about that, MOAR PUNISHMENT'. I don't think there's any thought anymore as to whether any of these restrictions are actually working as advertised, just so long as it feels like something's getting done.

It's like... if you're that scared of them, why the fark did you let them out of prison in the first place? It seems so much simpler than brainstorming a million and a half Jack Bauer revenge fantasies.
2014-01-21 12:58:14 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA: "He could look out the window and see the school, where the kids play on the playground, or the P.E. field," said Mike Melnicoff, another upset parent.

The horror!

untaken_name: We should just make it illegal for sex offenders to live anywhere. That should solve the problem.


See: the Julia Tuttle Causeway sex offender colony
See also: Miracle Park
2014-01-21 12:53:50 AM  
1 votes:

mikaloyd: fusillade762: Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids wander around by themselves?

Maybe they shouldnt let sex offenders wander around by themselves either?


He served his time. And he wasn't arrested for molesting kids.

Besides, the moot likely person to molest a kid is a step-father. Strangers are far down on the list.
2014-01-21 12:49:45 AM  
1 votes:
Could society just grow a pair and make this a capital offense?  What is the point of letting these people live if they have to spend the rest of their lives as outcasts?
2014-01-21 12:48:05 AM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:

I grew up in the 1970's and once I got to around 9 or 10 -- still elementary school age -- my folks let me ride my bike to school (about 3 miles each way) and lots of other stuff all by myself. I seriously doubt my folks were naive about this sort of thing. Have things really gotten that bad or what?

I was listening to a radio morning show last week and they were talking about this, commenting on being outside all day when they were kids in the 70s and 80s, but how they'd never let their kids do that now, because "the world has changed, it's unsafe for children these days."


That's the modern paranoia. Boogieman behind every rock. It's really quite sad. But it helps those in power get more power. To protect us all from the boogiemen. We need another law reducing our freedom for safety. For the children.

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Maybe the article was updated since you read it: "He was convicted in New York in 2004 for distributing child pornography, and is listed on the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's online sex offender database."


The question is was he actually caught with child porn or did have naked photos of a 17 year old who was doing photo layouts saying she was 18?  The entire 'sex offender' thing has become so broad as to become meaningless without significant details of the conviction.
2014-01-21 12:36:33 AM  
1 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: antidisestablishmentarianism: fusillade762: Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids wander around by themselves?

That's what I thought. I drop my kid off and pick him up from school every day.

I grew up in the 1970's and once I got to around 9 or 10 -- still elementary school age -- my folks let me ride my bike to school (about 3 miles each way) and lots of other stuff all by myself. I seriously doubt my folks were naive about this sort of thing. Have things really gotten that bad or what?


In the 70's, if a kid was molested two towns over, you'd never hear about it. Now you hear about it on cable news, Facebook, Fark, and Twitter.
2014-01-21 12:35:12 AM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I was listening to a radio morning show last week and they were talking about this, commenting on being outside all day when they were kids in the 70s and 80s, but how they'd never let their kids do that now, because "the world has changed, it's unsafe for children these days."


The world hasn't changed. They've just gulped down the "OMFG! TEH WORLD IS A SCARY PLACE!" Kool-Aid the media has been shoveling out since the 80's. The world is actually safer now than it was in the 70's and 80's. But don't try and tell these idiot helicopter parents that.
2014-01-21 12:29:31 AM  
1 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: antidisestablishmentarianism: fusillade762: Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids wander around by themselves?

That's what I thought. I drop my kid off and pick him up from school every day.

I grew up in the 1970's and once I got to around 9 or 10 -- still elementary school age -- my folks let me ride my bike to school (about 3 miles each way) and lots of other stuff all by myself. I seriously doubt my folks were naive about this sort of thing. Have things really gotten that bad or what?


If I recall correctly, there are less incidents of this sort of thing now than there was then, but with 24 hour news cycles and the internet it just seems like more because you hear about it every single time it happens.
2014-01-21 12:25:53 AM  
1 votes:
So he isn't breaking any law... I can see how they can't retroactively apply a law and force him to move.

And does anyone really think having to move would stop a serious child molester?   Which as far as I know this guy isn't.
2014-01-21 12:25:25 AM  
1 votes:
This is fairly typical for us in Florida.

You have a lot of northerners whose parents who have retired here, who have their grown children who have committed some crime, move down here and either they get up to their old shenanigans or get outraged when they get outed.
2014-01-21 12:25:17 AM  
1 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: antidisestablishmentarianism: fusillade762: Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids wander around by themselves?

That's what I thought. I drop my kid off and pick him up from school every day.

I grew up in the 1970's and once I got to around 9 or 10 -- still elementary school age -- my folks let me ride my bike to school (about 3 miles each way) and lots of other stuff all by myself. I seriously doubt my folks were naive about this sort of thing. Have things really gotten that bad or what?


I was listening to a radio morning show last week and they were talking about this, commenting on being outside all day when they were kids in the 70s and 80s, but how they'd never let their kids do that now, because "the world has changed, it's unsafe for children these days."
2014-01-20 11:11:21 PM  
1 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: antidisestablishmentarianism: fusillade762: Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids wander around by themselves?

That's what I thought. I drop my kid off and pick him up from school every day.

I grew up in the 1970's and once I got to around 9 or 10 -- still elementary school age -- my folks let me ride my bike to school (about 3 miles each way) and lots of other stuff all by myself. I seriously doubt my folks were naive about this sort of thing. Have things really gotten that bad or what?


fark, I rode my bike in the early 70's 6 miles to the nearest convenience store just because it was something to do.  During the summer my brothers and I would leave the house at 8 and not come back until 6pm and my parents didn't give a shiat.
2014-01-20 09:55:06 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Mitch Taylor's Bro: fusillade762:    what he was convicted for ... distributing child pornography ... I missed that part.


But you made the point anyway that these rules sweep in a lot of people.  This one may be the sort that at one time had the wrong inclination but would not actually approach a child.  The sweet blue-hair in the article expresses horror at the thought of this person monster peering through the blinds at her precious 'flake.
2014-01-20 08:08:10 PM  
1 votes:
Of course there's no mention of what he was convicted for.


"And we need to have one now, because of the children," Haring added. "Right this minute, because the children walk the street alone."

Maybe you shouldn't be letting your kids wander around by themselves?
 
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