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(Chron)   About that whole Hoboken not getting Sandy aid thanks to the Governor... Turns out it is true, if by not getting aid you ignore the 70 million they got, and that the 100 million additional they wanted was not covered by the grant they applied for   (chron.com) divider line 131
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2014-01-20 04:14:43 PM  
techintranslation.com
 
2014-01-20 04:33:45 PM  
I'm convinced this is a smokescreen for them cancelling our St Patrick's day parade again this year.
 
2014-01-20 05:00:47 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-20 05:02:19 PM  
I don't know what Guadagno said to Zimmer about the Rockefeller Site. But it does look plausible to me that Hoboken would have gotten very little of what it wanted out of HMGP even if Guadagno and Christie were not trying to retaliate against Zimmer

A plausible possibility that just might be some reflection of reality, maybe.

Well they sure sold me!
 
2014-01-20 05:02:54 PM  

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 850x514]


You're killing me here.  That's hilarious.
 
2014-01-20 05:03:45 PM  
I think we need to let NJ shake this out at this point. Christie's a dick, but if you make up crap to add to the pile, it just stops any momentum the D's had. Moron.
 
2014-01-20 05:06:06 PM  
All that said, it's weird that the Christie administration is trying to hang its hat on "$70 million dollars worth of funding" approved for Hoboken. A majority of this amount, $43 million, consists of National Flood Insurance Program claims that have been paid out to flood insurance policyholders in Hoboken. Flood insurance is, well, insurance; it's supposed to pay out when you get flooded.

It's also not responsive to Zimmer's accusation, which is that the Christie Administration withheld funds under its control as punishment for Zimmer not pushing their favored real estate project. NFIP funds are not under Christie's control. Christie's administration can help claimants who are having difficulties getting paid by NFIP (and has often discussed its efforts to do so over the past 15 months) but it can't shut off NFIP funds.

The $70 million figure also includes $8.5 million in Small Business Administration loans, $6.3 million in FEMA Individual Assistance payments, and $2 million in Federal Transit Administration funding. Again, these are federal funding sources where he might be able to put in a good word for a favored city, but he'd have little ability to withhold funds punitively.



OK - I can see him saying they got lots of aid based on the federal numbers.  But counting settlements from individual homeowners' insurance policies, FEMA Individual grants and SBA Loans?

Fark on off outta here, you lyin' sack o' schitt.
 
2014-01-20 05:06:36 PM  
Wow, submitter, you are full of crap. Even this article says that the $70 million dollar figure is BS since that $70 million dollars that Hoboken supposedly got was actually 1) payments to people with flood insurance (i.e. money they were supposed to get anyway) or 2) Small business loans to business owners or 3) FEMA loans to homeowners.

Apparently, in submitter's universe, insurance money and loans equates to $70 million dollars of grants.
 
2014-01-20 05:07:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 850x514]

You're killing me here.  That's hilarious.


wish i could claim credit. found it on FB.
 
2014-01-20 05:08:50 PM  

RexTalionis: Wow, submitter, you are full of crap. Even this article says that the $70 million dollar figure is BS since that $70 million dollars that Hoboken supposedly got was actually 1) payments to people with flood insurance (i.e. money they were supposed to get anyway) or 2) Small business loans to business owners or 3) FEMA loans to homeowners.

Apparently, in submitter's universe, insurance money and loans equates to $70 million dollars of grants.


I take comfort in knowing Republicans are the real victims here
 
2014-01-20 05:09:27 PM  

RexTalionis: Wow, submitter, you are full of crap. Even this article says that the $70 million dollar figure is BS since that $70 million dollars that Hoboken supposedly got was actually 1) payments to people with flood insurance (i.e. money they were supposed to get anyway) or 2) Small business loans to business owners or 3) FEMA loans to homeowners.

Apparently, in submitter's universe, insurance money and loans equates to $70 million dollars of grants.


99% of people never actually RTFA, just to brighten your day.
 
2014-01-20 05:14:34 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: OK - I can see him saying they got lots of aid based on the federal numbers.  But counting settlements from individual homeowners' insurance policies, FEMA Individual grants and SBA Loans?

Fark on off outta here, you lyin' sack o' schitt.


Like I said in the other thread, Hoboken isn't the 9th ward.

The first floor of my building and our lobbies had about 6 feet of water in them. Our elevators and our buildings generator were destroyed. My wife's car literally floated away, as well as a hundred or so other cars in our garage.

All of that was taken care of with insurance money, as was the case in the overwhelming majority of Hoboken. It is an expensive place to live, and real estate is VERY expensive (a nice 2 bedroom condo will set you back an easy 500k, and a really nice one can easily break the million dollar mark), so things tend to be insured very well. Flooding here isn't a big surprise either, newer buildings are built with it in mind, older places have plans to deal with it, and again, are insured.

Now, is Christie taking credit for what the city did get isn't exactly right, because as it says, he controlled very little of that money, but I think if you think the governors office is trying to take credit for it you are reading into it too much. I read it as them saying, "Look hoboken did get a ton of aid". At the same time his accuser is trying to say Hoboken only got 100k in grant money, and paints the picture that the town was left in ruins and people are living in fema camps or something because that money never came in, which is blatantly untrue.

The fact of the matter is the town did get a bunch of aid, recovered extremely well, and the money the mayor is claiming they didn't get because of political retribution, was in reality, money they shouldn't have got for a host of good reasons.
 
2014-01-20 05:15:09 PM  

RexTalionis: Wow, submitter, you are full of crap. Even this article says that the $70 million dollar figure is BS since that $70 million dollars that Hoboken supposedly got was actually 1) payments to people with flood insurance (i.e. money they were supposed to get anyway) or 2) Small business loans to business owners or 3) FEMA loans to homeowners.

Apparently, in submitter's universe, insurance money and loans equates to $70 million dollars of grants.


Yeah, this right here. They got $70 million that Christie (or his goons) had no way to prevent them from getting.
 
2014-01-20 05:16:22 PM  
Subby, even the state had to admit that they hadn't distributed much money to Hoboken.  Massaging a headline for comedic effect is one thing, but come on.
 
2014-01-20 05:16:40 PM  

RexTalionis: Wow, submitter, you are full of crap. Even this article says that the $70 million dollar figure is BS since that $70 million dollars that Hoboken supposedly got was actually 1) payments to people with flood insurance (i.e. money they were supposed to get anyway) or 2) Small business loans to business owners or 3) FEMA loans to homeowners.

Apparently, in submitter's universe, insurance money and loans equates to $70 million dollars of grants.


OK, and what about the fact that the money that the city says they were being blackmailed for money that they were never eligible for, the amount of which they wanted was more than was available, and that the money they did get was in line with every other similarly affected community in NJ from that pool?
 
2014-01-20 05:16:47 PM  

RexTalionis: Wow, submitter, you are full of crap. Even this article says that the $70 million dollar figure is BS since that $70 million dollars that Hoboken supposedly got was actually 1) payments to people with flood insurance (i.e. money they were supposed to get anyway) or 2) Small business loans to business owners or 3) FEMA loans to homeowners.

Apparently, in submitter's universe, insurance money and loans equates to $70 million dollars of grants.


...and the allegation was not that they never got aid, but the aid was contingent of her singing off on a shady real estate deal.

She caved, signed, and they got paid.
 
2014-01-20 05:17:27 PM  
Well you have to understand in Jersey after grifting, kickbacks and payoffs that 70 million was next to nothing.
 
2014-01-20 05:26:03 PM  

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 850x514]


☛  LOL! ☚
 
2014-01-20 05:26:43 PM  
Man that last post reads like a stroke. Anyway......

1. The mayor keeps making it out to be that this 100 million was needed for recovery. The purpose of the grant this money was coming from was by definition not for recovery, but for flood mitigation.

2. The city did get a grant from it, for what it was actually eligible for, a backup generator for a flood pump, and that grant was in line with what the rest of NJ communites got

3. The vast majority of the money that the city asked for as part of this grant, such as parkland, was not covered by the grant to begin with

4. The grant money was only about 300 million dollars. NJ communites as a whole requested about 4 BILLION Dollars. Hoboken wanted 1/3rd of it, despite being only about half a percent of the states population.

5. Of the 300 million dollars, the amount that was available to local city governments, in total, and that the governors office had any influence over, was around 25 million dollars. So even if the governors office gave the city every cent they could, it would only represent about 1/4th of what the city wanted. It was completely impossible by the very framework of the grants, for the city to get anything even remotely close to the money requested.

6. Not mentioned in the article, and sort of irrelevant because of everything above, but Hoboken's flood mitigation plan has been called into question by neighboring communities, because it doesn't account for where that water that would normally go into Hoboken would end up should Hoboken get its way. There are indications it would only make things worse in Jersey City, which has more people, a greater importance to the state's economy because of the businesses located there, and a poorer demographic.

7. Yes, the governors statement reads a little like, "Hey, we gave them 70 million" which is not true. I don't think that was the intention. I think the intention was to point out that hoboken did get a ton of money, even if it wasn't from the governors office. Because of the nature of Sandy, the type of damage, and where it occurred, there wasn't exactly a ton of money that came through the governors office to begin with.

8. Lastly, Hoboken got along just fine without any of this money. Yes, the city needs to address some stuff with flooding, but that needs further study and is more of a long term plan. You can't exactly dike up the hudson river and just hope it works.
 
2014-01-20 05:29:08 PM  

Sgt Otter: ...and the allegation was not that they never got aid, but the aid was contingent of her singing off on a shady real estate deal.

She caved, signed, and they got paid.


That is completely, and blatantly wrong, by ANYONES account of what happened.

The real estate deal in question is still in limbo. Nobody has signed off on it. I suspect that the backers behind it are going to just give up on it now, which is a shame. Its a win for zimmer though because she runs on an open space platform, despite the fact that the city has plenty of parkspace and could use the added tax base to make up for all of the abatements they handed out for the last 20 years.
 
2014-01-20 05:33:44 PM  
*RTFA*

OOoohhh, subby that was a trolltastic headline.

+2 internets to you!

/as long as you agree to back my next green light with the modmins.
//I need you on board with this
 
2014-01-20 05:36:46 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: *RTFA*

OOoohhh, subby that was a trolltastic headline.

+2 internets to you!

/as long as you agree to back my next green light with the modmins.
//I need you on board with this


My favorite thing is the guy that came in here and is defending the headline earnestly. It's quite hilarious.
 
2014-01-20 05:43:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: My favorite thing is the guy that came in here and is defending the headline earnestly. It's quite hilarious.


Explain to me, what is incorrect about the headline?

That Hoboken received 70 million dollars in recovery money?

That the 100 million the mayor is complaining that they didn't get, was far more than what the city was eligible for, far more than what was available, and that what they wanted to use the money for was not covered by the grant?

Or are you mad that the city did get exactly what it was eligible for by the terms of the grant in question?

How about the fact that the mayor keeps making it out to be recovery money, when the money was never earmarked for actual recovery, and that the town has already fully recovered?
 
2014-01-20 05:46:35 PM  

LineNoise: cameroncrazy1984: My favorite thing is the guy that came in here and is defending the headline earnestly. It's quite hilarious.

Explain to me, what is incorrect about the headline?

That Hoboken received 70 million dollars in recovery money?

That the 100 million the mayor is complaining that they didn't get, was far more than what the city was eligible for, far more than what was available, and that what they wanted to use the money for was not covered by the grant?

Or are you mad that the city did get exactly what it was eligible for by the terms of the grant in question?

How about the fact that the mayor keeps making it out to be recovery money, when the money was never earmarked for actual recovery, and that the town has already fully recovered?


Actually, I'm mad that you and subby (possibly the same person) are conflating grant money with insurance money.
 
2014-01-20 05:53:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Actually, I'm mad that you and subby (possibly the same person) are conflating grant money with insurance money.


The headline doesn't say grant money, and neither did I. It says aid.

Here is the breakdown of the 70 million from TFA:
43 Million: National Flood Insurance Program payouts. While the National Flood Insurance Program isn't exactly a grant, it is a heavily subsidized federal program. I would certainly constitute that as "aid"

8.5 Million in SBA loans. Again, not a grant by definition, but certainl "aid"

6.3 Million in FEMA money. Doesn't get any more "aid" than that

2 Million in Federal Transit money. We have one of the biggest commuter railroad stations in the area in town, I'm assuming most of it went to that.

I'm not sure where the other 10 million bucks in that 70 million comes from, but everything so far accounted for can be considered aid, and if we want to throw the grant word around, a lot of that aid is backed by grants or very similar functioning instruments in some form (like an SBA loan).
 
2014-01-20 06:05:05 PM  

LineNoise: That Hoboken received 70 million dollars in recovery money?


That is technically incorrect.

Hoboken did not receive the $70 million in recovery money. Individual business and homeowners received it. Different entities.

LineNoise: That the 100 million the mayor is complaining that they didn't get, was far more than what the city was eligible for, far more than what was available, and that what they wanted to use the money for was not covered by the grant?


Every city asked for more than than they received because if you don't ask for everything for it, you're probably not going to be considered for it.

Incidentally, I find it interesting the disproportionate awards that certain municipalities received from NJ state grants.

Atlantic City was where the eye of the storm made landfall and it did a ton of damage. They received $921,000 from the state in grants. Atlantic City is predominately poor with a high minority population. The population of Atlantic City is 39,504 residents. The mayor of Atlantic City refused to endorse Christie (incidentally, Atlantic City is my hometown).

Meanwhile, Margate City, which is on the same island (Absecon Island) as Atlantic City, received $1,015,000 in state grants. Despite the fact that Margate City is tiny in population (6328 residents). Margate City is a wealthy suburb and is made up predominately of wealthier white. The mayor endorsed Christie in the 2012 election.

Ventnor City, which is also on the same island as Atlantic City, received $627,000 in state grants. Ventnor is made up of middle to upper middle class residents and is predominantly white (I used to live in Ventnor City). The population is also a quarter of Atlantic City's (10,615). The mayor endorsed Christie in the 2012 election.

So, for  the island that Sandy hit head-on, the city whose mayor refused to endorse Christie received about $23 per capita in state grants after Sandy. The two cities whose mayor did endorse Christie received $160 per capita (Margate) and $59 (Ventnor) respectively.

I find that very interesting.
 
2014-01-20 06:06:43 PM  
Here's a PDF with all of the grants received by each municipality and each municipal organization:

http://www.ready.nj.gov/plan/pdf/101013_dr4086_paysummary.pdf
 
m00
2014-01-20 06:09:22 PM  
Who wants to bet whether the national media will:

1) Push forward with how Christie bullied/wronged Hoboken
2) Drop the story, but fail to correct the narrative confident that most viewers still believe the lie
3) Claim it's not important that Zimmer was lying, because Christie is a bully and this is the sort of thing he does all the time
 
2014-01-20 06:09:37 PM  

LineNoise: cameroncrazy1984: Actually, I'm mad that you and subby (possibly the same person) are conflating grant money with insurance money.

The headline doesn't say grant money, and neither did I. It says aid.

Here is the breakdown of the 70 million from TFA:
43 Million: National Flood Insurance Program payouts. While the National Flood Insurance Program isn't exactly a grant, it is a heavily subsidized federal program. I would certainly constitute that as "aid"

8.5 Million in SBA loans. Again, not a grant by definition, but certainl "aid"

6.3 Million in FEMA money. Doesn't get any more "aid" than that

2 Million in Federal Transit money. We have one of the biggest commuter railroad stations in the area in town, I'm assuming most of it went to that.

I'm not sure where the other 10 million bucks in that 70 million comes from, but everything so far accounted for can be considered aid, and if we want to throw the grant word around, a lot of that aid is backed by grants or very similar functioning instruments in some form (like an SBA loan).





The point of the mayor is that the state is withholding funding it controls.

The 70 million they received is part of aid that Christie nor the state have any control over.

The other aspect is that Hoboken may not have been eligible for the money they asked for: there wasn't a lot to give out

FTFA
3). On one hand, the $70 million figure is a red herring, which involves the Christie administration taking credit for a lot of funds it doesn't control. On the other hand, Hoboken's small grant award is a lot less strange than it sounds after you dig into the applications.
If you want to make your case, stick to facts. There's enough there.
 
2014-01-20 06:10:14 PM  
Shouldn't the submitter of an article actually read it first?
 
2014-01-20 06:14:16 PM  

RexTalionis: I find that very interesting


(drops mike, stomps out)
 
2014-01-20 06:14:30 PM  

m00: Who wants to bet whether the national media will:

1) Push forward with how Christie bullied/wronged Hoboken
2) Drop the story, but fail to correct the narrative confident that most viewers still believe the lie
3) Claim it's not important that Zimmer was lying, because Christie is a bully and this is the sort of thing he does all the time




How about the lie that Christie attempted to take credit over money he didn't control nor went to the city itself?

We don't know if Christie administration withheld funds they controlled.
 
2014-01-20 06:18:35 PM  

LineNoise: cameroncrazy1984: My favorite thing is the guy that came in here and is defending the headline earnestly. It's quite hilarious.

Explain to me, what is incorrect about the headline?

That Hoboken received 70 million dollars in recovery money?

That the 100 million the mayor is complaining that they didn't get, was far more than what the city was eligible for, far more than what was available, and that what they wanted to use the money for was not covered by the grant?

Or are you mad that the city did get exactly what it was eligible for by the terms of the grant in question?

How about the fact that the mayor keeps making it out to be recovery money, when the money was never earmarked for actual recovery, and that the town has already fully recovered?


The Governor's office is trying to discredit the Mayor by implying that the $170 million came from them, when it reality it was distributed directly from the Feds and insurance companies with no input from the state.  The actual money that the state distributed was a tiny fraction of what the city needed.
 
2014-01-20 06:20:58 PM  
RexTalionis:

When you look at atlantic city, and surrounding areas, you need to consider a few things:

While atlantic city did take the storm head on, it did not flood in the way that many comunities on the bay flooded. The storm surge in AC predominantly hit the boardwalk, casino's, etc. Things that were already insured and had private money behind them. The beach in AC is also huge compared to many other communities down there, so there is a lot of room to give. AC also isn't backed by an inlet and bay like, as one of your examples, Marget. The storm surge affected bays and tidal areas far more than it did on the ocean side, particularly places with lots of beach to give. A perfect example is one town north of AC, in Brigantine. The ocean side was pretty much fine. the bay side got clobbered.

So your physical proximity had little to do with the storm and the type  and level of damage you got. Hoboken flooded because the storm surge pushed through the combined sewer system, and actually flooded the back portion of town. If you were right on the river, you were fine.

Also keep in mind that that grant money of a million bucks could have gone towards one thing. The numbers you are throwing around, like a million bucks, aren't exactly staggering. Maybe that town lost a single fire truck in flooding, and most of the damage in AC were things that private money or insurance could take care of, or simply damage that didn't happen there.

The overwhelming point here is that the governors office wasn't in charge of most of the money that got handed out, and of the money that hoboken got that could be traced back to the governors office, it was in line with similarly affected communities.

MOST IMPORTANTLY THOUGH, is that the money that the mayor is claiming the governor held up, is money that did not exist, the city wasn't eligible for, and the governor didn't even control.
 
m00
2014-01-20 06:22:07 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: We don't know if Christie administration withheld funds they controlled.


Yeah, when it comes to both Christie and Obama, "we don't know if he did X or not, but maybe it's possible he did something shady" is apparently grounds for outrage and impeachment
 
2014-01-20 06:23:58 PM  

Mentat: The Governor's office is trying to discredit the Mayor by implying that the $170 million came from them, when it reality it was distributed directly from the Feds and insurance companies with no input from the state.  The actual money that the state distributed was a tiny fraction of what the city needed.


And the mayor's office is trying to imply that the governor held up money that they didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting.

Yes, the governors office should be more clear about where the money that hoboken did get came from (even though they were the ones who put out the numbers and pointed out the sources, they should have also made clear they controlled little of it).

At the same time though, the hoboken mayor is making it out to be that hoboken is in ruins, and this 100 million would have fixed that. When neither of those thoughts are even remotely true.
 
2014-01-20 06:24:07 PM  
Its rare for subby to let everyone know who submitted an article, much less vigorously defend the position that takes the opposite of the submitted content. And since this submission is so bad, I'm convinced that subby only enjoys the company of other men. There's nothing wrong with it, but subby needs to come to terms with his sexuality.
 
2014-01-20 06:27:39 PM  

RexTalionis: Atlantic City was where the eye of the storm made landfall and it did a ton of damage. They received $921,000 from the state in grants. Atlantic City is predominately poor with a high minority population. The population of Atlantic City is 39,504 residents. The mayor of Atlantic City refused to endorse Christie (incidentally, Atlantic City is my hometown).

Meanwhile, Margate City, which is on the same island (Absecon Island) as Atlantic City, received $1,015,000 in state grants. Despite the fact that Margate City is tiny in population (6328 residents). Margate City is a wealthy suburb and is made up predominately of wealthier white. The mayor endorsed Christie in the 2012 election.

Ventnor City, which is also on the same island as Atlantic City, received $627,000 in state grants. Ventnor is made up of middle to upper middle class residents and is predominantly white (I used to live in Ventnor City). The population is also a quarter of Atlantic City's (10,615). The mayor endorsed Christie in the 2012 election.


There's a Monopoly joke here, but damned if I can dig it out.
 
2014-01-20 06:28:36 PM  
Seaside Heights, a Republican town with a Republican mayor who endorsed Christie and has a miniscule 2,892 population received $5,732,406 in state grants after Sandy.

That's $1982 per capita that went to Seaside Heights.

Meanwhile, Seaside Park, which is literally touching Seaside Heights, has a mayor who didn't endorse Chris Christie. They have a population of 1587. They received $643,719 in State Grants from Chris Christie.

That's $405 per capita that went to Seaside Park.

So, we have two very similar neighboring seaside resort towns. One where the mayor endorsed Chris Christie. The other where the mayor didn't. The one where the mayor endorsed Christie got 5 times per capita what the mayor who didn't endorse Chris Christie got.

I find that really interesting.

cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-20 06:31:18 PM  
The best part about all these new scandals is that, in my opinion, each one makes Christie MORE likely to run for the GOP nomination in 2016.  After all, the chances of him winning another NJ gubernatorial election are disappearing like a pie cart in front of Christie's office door.
 
2014-01-20 06:32:16 PM  
When did the GOP get so terrible at controlling the narrative?
 
2014-01-20 06:32:43 PM  

m00: Darth_Lukecash: We don't know if Christie administration withheld funds they controlled.

Yeah, when it comes to both Christie and Obama, "we don't know if he did X or not, but maybe it's possible he did something shady" is apparently grounds for outrage and impeachment




In your rabid Obama hate and broad paintbrush, makes you look foolish. Obama has nothing to do with this. So bringing him in doesn't strengthen your argument.

However, I think the mayors accusations need to be investigated.
 
2014-01-20 06:32:55 PM  

Emposter: The best part about all these new scandals is that, in my opinion, each one makes Christie MORE likely to run for the GOP nomination in 2016.  After all, the chances of him winning another NJ gubernatorial election are disappearing like a pie cart in front of Christie's office door.


He's term-locked for the next gubernatorial election (no more than 2 consecutive terms at a time).
 
2014-01-20 06:33:40 PM  

RexTalionis: Seaside Heights, a Republican town with a Republican mayor who endorsed Christie and has a miniscule 2,892 population received $5,732,406 in state grants after Sandy.

That's $1982 per capita that went to Seaside Heights.

Meanwhile, Seaside Park, which is literally touching Seaside Heights, has a mayor who didn't endorse Chris Christie. They have a population of 1587. They received $643,719 in State Grants from Chris Christie.

That's $405 per capita that went to Seaside Park.

So, we have two very similar neighboring seaside resort towns. One where the mayor endorsed Chris Christie. The other where the mayor didn't. The one where the mayor endorsed Christie got 5 times per capita what the mayor who didn't endorse Chris Christie got.

I find that really interesting.

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From someone who says they lived down that way, you should understand the difference between seaside heights and park, and why the state level spending would be different.

Seaside Park is mainly residential, and a little more upscale than seaside heights. Most of the damage there would be things you would expect private or federal level insurance to take care of.

Seaside heights sustained a large amount of damage to the boardwalk and related businesses. That area is a major tourist attraction, and economic engine for the area for a few months a year. It is in the states interest to inject as much money, as fast as possible, to get it up and running again.
 
2014-01-20 06:36:08 PM  

LineNoise: While atlantic city did take the storm head on, it did not flood in the way that many comunities on the bay flooded.


As a guy who lived on the Bay in Atlantic City who got flooded, I find that hilarious!

Yeah, maybe our flooding wasn't nearly as bad as other municipalities in NJ, but neither were Ventnor's or Margate's.
 
2014-01-20 06:36:52 PM  
Also, knowing someone who lives in seaside park, the damage to both it, and seaside heights wasn't too severe, aside from essentially half of the seaside heights amusement park falling into the ocean.

I'm not sure how much it costs to fish an amusment park out of the surf, including an entire roller coaster, but a couple million bucks seems like a good starting point, and I'm imagining the state had some kind of role in it that would have justified them spending more money than they did one town north.

looking at things per capita is pointless, because the damage was drastically different even in directly neighboring towns.
 
2014-01-20 06:38:10 PM  

LineNoise: Seaside heights sustained a large amount of damage to the boardwalk and related businesses. That area is a major tourist attraction, and economic engine for the area for a few months a year. It is in the states interest to inject as much money, as fast as possible, to get it up and running again.


Hey, Atlantic City sustained damaged to the boardwalk and related businesses and we're a major tourist attraction and economic engine for the area.

But we don't rate in importance to Chris Christie.
 
2014-01-20 06:38:38 PM  
LineNoise:

I hope you're well compensated for your tireless defense of a politician.
 
2014-01-20 06:38:57 PM  

RexTalionis: Yeah, maybe our flooding wasn't nearly as bad as other municipalities in NJ, but neither were Ventnor's or Margate's.


My point is you are breaking it down per capita, and those grants wouldn't be related specifically to flooding. A single house in Ventor or Margate can easily represent that million bucks, and 600k in Atlantic city could represent 10 houses.
 
2014-01-20 06:40:52 PM  
I wish the judge nomination story got more legs here because that's the motivation for the bridge closing that makes the most sense to me.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/maddow-did-christie-retaliate-over -s upreme
 
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