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2014-01-20 09:02:45 AM
I'm sure they have at least 666 reasons why this is a great idea.
 
2014-01-20 09:07:04 AM
I never combine the words "Disney" with "want" for some reason.
 
2014-01-20 09:15:56 AM
That investment is called MagicBands. They're a new technology for the park, and the program officially opened up about a month ago. Disney has thought of everything.

Except how to keep the parks fresh and updated.  Universal's much more aggressive in that respect.
 
2014-01-20 09:18:20 AM
But I'd like to keep my meat private, thanks.

Not me! I like my meat to be as public as possible.
 
2014-01-20 09:24:48 AM
The pitch that Disney is making is personalization. For each band, for example, Disney asks for the name and birthday of the person who'll be wearing it. So if your kid is having a birthday in the park and there's a character wandering nearby, that character can be notified to sneak up on your kid and creepily wish them a happy birthday individually.

I like the way he phrased that.  I'm chuckling thinking of how badly that can go down.

And, given the number of "Disney worker with kiddie porn" stories and the like....well, suffice it to say they'd better have damned good security.
 
2014-01-20 09:26:23 AM
This was covered in 1971.
If you have the time, put on the headphones, let the air out of your shoes, and listen to one man's quest.
 
2014-01-20 10:24:36 AM
Anyone who uses the term "meat space" needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.
 
2014-01-20 10:25:33 AM
We tested the Magic Bands this fall. They work great. And god forbid if one of the kids gets separated, they can track him or her down immediately.
 
2014-01-20 10:26:46 AM

Diogenes: Except how to keep the parks fresh and updated.  Universal's much more aggressive in that respect.


Universal is making more Harry Potter shiat but Disney is revamping their Fantasy Land and they're making an Avatar land and turning Tomorrow Land into Star Wars land.

And for a "Chief Data Scientist", this guy's kind of a choad. It's Disney World. Who gives a fark if they track what over priced bullshiat you buy. It's also totally voluntary, you don't have to wear the thing if you don't want to. It's also been around for months, which makes TFA totally lame.
 
2014-01-20 10:29:33 AM

Diogenes: That investment is called MagicBands. They're a new technology for the park, and the program officially opened up about a month ago. Disney has thought of everything.

Except how to keep the parks fresh and updated.  Universal's much more aggressive in that respect.


Keep you meat in your own space.
 
2014-01-20 10:30:01 AM
that new mouse logo looks a little bit like this:
 
2014-01-20 10:30:11 AM

sendtodave: Diogenes: That investment is called MagicBands. They're a new technology for the park, and the program officially opened up about a month ago. Disney has thought of everything.

Except how to keep the parks fresh and updated.  Universal's much more aggressive in that respect.

Keep you meat in your own space.


...

I need coffee.
 
2014-01-20 10:30:12 AM
horrorhomework.com

Such a happy place, those Disney parks.  Everyone just so happy and controlled.
 
2014-01-20 10:32:15 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: that new mouse logo looks a little bit like this:


derp....I meant to post:

th07.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-20 10:38:06 AM
I spent a week there a couple months ago, everyone had the magic bands, and it made FastPass reservations much easier to manage and use.  I could care less that they were able to track my movements around the park.   Stores do that with your cell phone signals nowadays too.  They've also added cool stuff like Mickey talks to you when you meet him, and soon he's supposed to say your name based on your MagicBand info.  I know my kids were absolutely amazed to hear him talk and ask questions and interact with them.
 
2014-01-20 10:39:22 AM

crab66: Anyone who uses the term "meat space" needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.


He's lording over us his vast literary knowledge of 1980s techspeak.
 
2014-01-20 10:40:38 AM
I was always in bewilderment how they kept the stench of "backstage" from the park. I mean almost immediately when you leave the park to an employee area you're hit with a strong garbage stench which there's no trace of a couple feet from where you just were.
 
2014-01-20 10:41:08 AM
As soon as they deliver cheap tarts dressed as Disney Princesses to my hotel room that are willing to show me a whole new world in my pants, I'm all for their technology.

Course, don't have kids, so no real urge to visit the Mouse. Cons are way more fun for grown kids :)
 
2014-01-20 10:42:29 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [horrorhomework.com image 766x325]

Such a happy place, those Disney parks.  Everyone just so happy and controlled.


I'm all out of bubble gum.
 
2014-01-20 10:42:34 AM
I just went to Epcot yesterday, so I'm getting a kick....

About eight years ago, I was also a "park greeter" at Epcot--one of the people who used to stand at the turnstiles and help you feed those cardboard tickets through those big bulky turnstiles with the mag-stripe readers and help you use the biometric reader that required you to stick your index and middle fingers in a "V" into them.

I say "used to" because all of that stuff has vanished. No turnstiles. Just the RFID reader and a fingerprint scanner. The RFID readers show up all through the park. I noticed them the most at Test Track, where you couldn't even USE the "design your own car" touchscreens without one. It that way, it can be unnecessarily intrusive.

Overall, it's both cool and creepy at the same time.
 
2014-01-20 10:43:14 AM
What? No. Allowing Disney to better understand my behavior in no way suggests they will be able to compel certain behaviors in me.

Make a better argument next time.
 
2014-01-20 10:43:16 AM
Disney is evil.

/that is all
 
2014-01-20 10:44:38 AM

houstondragon: As soon as they deliver cheap tarts dressed as Disney Princesses to my hotel room that are willing to show me a whole new world in my pants, I'm all for their technology.

Course, don't have kids, so no real urge to visit the Mouse. Cons are way more fun for grown kids :)


Aladdin is the one who promises to show a "whole new world," not one of the Princesses. Just thought I'd give you a heads up in case that knock on the door ever comes.
 
2014-01-20 10:45:31 AM

Mugato: And for a "Chief Data Scientist", this guy's kind of a choad. It's Disney World. Who gives a fark if they track what over priced bullshiat you buy. It's also totally voluntary, you don't have to wear the thing if you don't want to. It's also been around for months, which makes TFA totally lame.


Yeah...

I'm a huge advocate of privacy, individual responsibility, freedom, etc.

When I'm at Disney World, though, I don't give a fark. Seriously. I don't care if they track me going to the bathroom and analyze my shiat. I go there for a fun but tightly controlled experience. I go there about every 5 years and I'm impressed every time. They already make the hotel keycard a universal ticket for everything, including dining and fastpasses, it's already RFID enabled, except probably a much shorter range. Who cares if they want to make it a bracelet? They can track farking everything. I really really don't care. Because I will be leaving when vacation is over.
 
2014-01-20 10:47:42 AM
They better be giving me some damn good Neverlander FC merchandise with my invasion of privacy.
 
2014-01-20 10:49:34 AM
If you don't like anything of what you just read:

1.  Don't go to Disney theme parks or take that Big Farking Disney Boat cruise.

2.  Don't use those customer rewards programs at supermarkets, drug stores, or any other store or shop which offers them.

3.  Pay cash for all over the counter purchases.

4.  Don't take seriously any of those privacy notices sent to you by credit card companies.

5.  Stay away from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Amazon, e-Bay, ... wait make that don't purchase anything over the internet.

6.  As a matter of fact, stay away from the internet.

7.  Move to a cabin in the wilds of Montana and begin preparing your manifesto.
 
2014-01-20 10:50:21 AM
I was just there last week for marathon weekend. The magic band system was nice. No worrying about pickpocketing/losing my wallet on rides, as the band had all my billing info. It worked as my room key, my fastpass tickets, park entry, and provided some custom touches of personalization in line.

But unlike most people, I'm not afraid of the data they collect.

Although I did find it interesting that they now have RFID based soda dispensers and every cup has a tag on the bottom. The "use all day" cup only works at your resort/hotel and is tied to your length of stay, regular paper cups are good for 1-hour of refills after purchase.

/my brother spent the past 3 years writing the code for the Magicband and new restaurant reservations system.
//he's still got years of development and tweaking.
 
2014-01-20 10:51:21 AM

jonny_q: Mugato: And for a "Chief Data Scientist", this guy's kind of a choad. It's Disney World. Who gives a fark if they track what over priced bullshiat you buy. It's also totally voluntary, you don't have to wear the thing if you don't want to. It's also been around for months, which makes TFA totally lame.

Yeah...

I'm a huge advocate of privacy, individual responsibility, freedom, etc.

When I'm at Disney World, though, I don't give a fark. Seriously. I don't care if they track me going to the bathroom and analyze my shiat. I go there for a fun but tightly controlled experience. I go there about every 5 years and I'm impressed every time. They already make the hotel keycard a universal ticket for everything, including dining and fastpasses, it's already RFID enabled, except probably a much shorter range. Who cares if they want to make it a bracelet? They can track farking everything. I really really don't care. Because I will be leaving when vacation is over.


I guess if these are your expectations, then how can you be anything but happy?

Me?  I just could not stand the land of the $19.00 Cheeseburger and plastic phony everywhere. Epcot was nice, once, but that was it.  So happy the kids grew up and I don't have to go there anymore.
 
2014-01-20 10:52:32 AM

gweilo8888: Disney is evil.

/that is all


In an alternate history where Nazi Germany won WWII and eventually dominates the Earth, I'm sure Disney wouldn't have to change too many things....culturally most of their stuff would be a good fit....
 
2014-01-20 10:54:31 AM
It's almost like someone wants to track a massive data set for a series of experiments on the behavior of large groups of humans...

/Wraps Aluminum foil tighter around head.
 
2014-01-20 10:54:45 AM

Marshall Willenholly: They've also added cool stuff like Mickey talks to you when you meet him, and soon he's supposed to say your name based on your MagicBand info. I know my kids were absolutely amazed to hear him talk and ask questions and interact with them.


You, [subject name here], must be the pride of [subject hometown here]!
 
2014-01-20 10:54:53 AM

jonny_q: Mugato: And for a "Chief Data Scientist", this guy's kind of a choad. It's Disney World. Who gives a fark if they track what over priced bullshiat you buy. It's also totally voluntary, you don't have to wear the thing if you don't want to. It's also been around for months, which makes TFA totally lame.

Yeah...

I'm a huge advocate of privacy, individual responsibility, freedom, etc.

When I'm at Disney World, though, I don't give a fark. Seriously. I don't care if they track me going to the bathroom and analyze my shiat. I go there for a fun but tightly controlled experience. I go there about every 5 years and I'm impressed every time. They already make the hotel keycard a universal ticket for everything, including dining and fastpasses, it's already RFID enabled, except probably a much shorter range. Who cares if they want to make it a bracelet? They can track farking everything. I really really don't care. Because I will be leaving when vacation is over.


It's been around for longer than that, just not as personalized. Ever been to an arcade where you "bought" time on a game card, vs just plunking quarters in? Same principle, they can track and see which machines get more volume, repeat customers, etc. Works even better when you keep using the same card each visit.

I'm personally waiting for Minority Report-style advertisements that read your eyescan to identify your particular preferences. Google's getting scary close with their Glass tech, not to mention their mad ad spammage and location tailoring on places like YouTube.
 
2014-01-20 10:56:46 AM

houstondragon: As soon as they deliver cheap tarts dressed as Disney Princesses to my hotel room that are willing to show me a whole new world in my pants, I'm all for their technology.

Course, don't have kids, so no real urge to visit the Mouse. Cons are way more fun for grown kids :)


Wife and I don't have kids and we've gone to Disney a couple of times.  If you do it 'right', it's actually a pretty enjoyable experience.   Just need to schedule it for a time when there's not as many kids.

/Disneyworld for Adults books are pretty good
 
2014-01-20 10:57:07 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Me? I just could not stand the land of the $19.00 Cheeseburger and plastic phony everywhere. Epcot was nice, once, but that was it. So happy the kids grew up and I don't have to go there anymore.


I know this is the point where people biatch and moan about paying 20-30% more for food, but at Epcot the 1/3 lb Mac and cheese burger is $10.49 - not $19. Which isn't outrageous.

www.disneyfoodblog.com
/and the $5.99 kids meal isn't crazy either, which includes a side and a kid's drink
 
2014-01-20 10:58:26 AM

Nabb1: houstondragon: As soon as they deliver cheap tarts dressed as Disney Princesses to my hotel room that are willing to show me a whole new world in my pants, I'm all for their technology.

Course, don't have kids, so no real urge to visit the Mouse. Cons are way more fun for grown kids :)

Aladdin is the one who promises to show a "whole new world," not one of the Princesses. Just thought I'd give you a heads up in case that knock on the door ever comes.


Jasmine is a trap, yo! :)
 
2014-01-20 10:58:36 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: In an alternate history where Nazi Germany won WWII and eventually dominates the Earth, I'm sure Disney wouldn't have to change too many things....culturally most of their stuff would be a good fit....


Well they'd have to replace all their movie executives.
 
2014-01-20 11:01:28 AM
The whole thing about Disney is that it's a controlled experience. As the author points out, if you want to create your own experience you go explore the real world.
 
2014-01-20 11:08:21 AM

Mugato: Forbidden Doughnut: In an alternate history where Nazi Germany won WWII and eventually dominates the Earth, I'm sure Disney wouldn't have to change too many things....culturally most of their stuff would be a good fit....

Well they'd have to replace all their movie executives.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-20 11:09:45 AM
I use all sorts of little tricks to mess with the various data tracking that exists today.

I keep my phone's wifi off when not in use. I keep it off entirely when I know I won't need it. I have several of the RFID public transit passes that I rotate and use randomly. I have a wallet that's entirely metal to keep my bank and store cards in. I refuse to post accurate information to Google or any online service. I provide my real name and other identifiers where legally required to but wherever it is optional I intentionally fill with false data. Google thinks I am a 24 year old female for example. I upload photos and incorrectly tag myself so they can't even identify me. For example I had my neighbors' dog as my profile picture on Facebook once.

Any corporate agency can try to track me if they wish, but they'll find that I'll end up accidentally fudging the data or accidentally swapping my tracking card or band with a friends', or other amusing tricks that I can come up with.

I'm not paranoid, I am not afraid of anything, I just don't see why I should cooperate with this data collecting. I can have the convenience and yet not reveal anything particularly useful by just slightly modifying my behavior. Plus it's kind of fun- knowingly messing with a corporate dweeb's stats analysis is enjoyable. When they can't quite make sense of the numbers- that's me.
 
2014-01-20 11:10:06 AM
Meh.
A) You don't have to go.
B) If you go, you don't have to get the wrist band if you don't want it.

It sounds like it comes with a lot of advantages for the person at the park and I really don't care if they know what I had for lunch, for crying out loud.
 
2014-01-20 11:11:25 AM
Never seen the attraction of Disneyworld.

Standing around in lines all day surrounded by whining spoiled kids and massive throngs of sweaty people in high humidity.

Sounds more like torture than pleasure to me.
 
2014-01-20 11:13:17 AM

Diogenes: That investment is called MagicBands. They're a new technology for the park, and the program officially opened up about a month ago. Disney has thought of everything.

Except how to keep the parks fresh and updated.  Universal's much more aggressive in that respect.


It's probably harder for Disney to keep the parks updated due to the nostalgia factor. When parents and grandparents take their grandchildren they expect to see some of the older stuff the parks had when they went decades ago...  like the spinning tea cups and such. That's a significant part of their market.
 
2014-01-20 11:13:55 AM

PanicMan: The whole thing about Disney is that it's a controlled experience. As the author points out, if you want to create your own experience you go explore the real world.


but I think part of the point is identifying that our entire life in this country is being turned into a big Disneyland the likes of the mentioned Neuromancer and works such as Minority Report.

crab66: Anyone who uses the term "meat space" needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.


how do you feel about the term "cyber space"?
 
2014-01-20 11:16:07 AM

CleanAndPure: Never seen the attraction of Disneyworld.

Standing around in lines all day surrounded by whining spoiled kids and massive throngs of sweaty people in high humidity.

Sounds more like torture than pleasure to me.


If you have kids, it's an insane amount of fun.  Sure, they stick a hose in your wallet when you show up and siphon until you leave but they put together one heck of a cool experience for a family.  If you scrape together a nice little pile of dough and plan on blowing it all, it really is super fun.
 
2014-01-20 11:19:39 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Meh.
A) You don't have to go.
B) If you go, you don't have to get the wrist band if you don't want it.

It sounds like it comes with a lot of advantages for the person at the park and I really don't care if they know what I had for lunch, for crying out loud.


You'll have to have one if you want to use a fast pass. They are switching over to Fast Pass Plus completely and you have to be staying on the property to use it. That doesn't bother us, because we are DVC members, but some people will be pissed.
 
2014-01-20 11:19:47 AM

kbronsito: It's probably harder for Disney to keep the parks updated due to the nostalgia factor. When parents and grandparents take their grandchildren they expect to see some of the older stuff the parks had when they went decades ago...  like the spinning tea cups and such. That's a significant part of their market.


Well like I said, they tore up Fantasyland and are turning Tomorrowland into Star Wars Land, which I assume would mean turning Space Mountain into the Death Star or something, so they're not that nostalgic.

I hope they make a creature cantina so I have something to do while the niece rides the Death Star.
 
2014-01-20 11:20:56 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: CleanAndPure: Never seen the attraction of Disneyworld.

Standing around in lines all day surrounded by whining spoiled kids and massive throngs of sweaty people in high humidity.

Sounds more like torture than pleasure to me.

If you have kids, it's an insane amount of fun.  Sure, they stick a hose in your wallet when you show up and siphon until you leave but they put together one heck of a cool experience for a family.  If you scrape together a nice little pile of dough and plan on blowing it all, it really is super fun.


This.

I was dreading going, but took the clan there for Thanksgiving.  It was crowded as hell, but we had a blast.  Used the creepy bracelets, too.  Quite convenient.
 
2014-01-20 11:21:07 AM

flucto: I'm sure they have at least 666 reasons why this is a great idea.


"Nasty Lewd I" is an anagram of "Walt Disney".
 
2014-01-20 11:25:15 AM
Did the article have to include a pic of that hairy orangutan arm?
 
2014-01-20 11:25:27 AM

MrSteve007: the 1/3 lb Mac and cheese burger is $10.49 - not $19. Which isn't outrageous.


(O-o)
 
2014-01-20 11:33:14 AM
I'm wondering if they let the kids customize the color of their wristbands when they sign up. If they don't, they should. Then change out the trim in your hotel room to match chosen color, push t-shirts of the selected color, etc.

Create the illusion of participation and customization, when you're really just enabling people to do your work for you.
 
2014-01-20 11:33:48 AM

Marshall Willenholly: I spent a week there a couple months ago, everyone had the magic bands, and it made FastPass reservations much easier to manage and use.  I could care less that they were able to track my movements around the park.   Stores do that with your cell phone signals nowadays too.  They've also added cool stuff like Mickey talks to you when you meet him, and soon he's supposed to say your name based on your MagicBand info.  I know my kids were absolutely amazed to hear him talk and ask questions and interact with them.


The problem with Mickey saying your Hhe is that there are several Mickeys out around the park at the same time. Try to explain to your kid why they can't remember the conversation you had two hours ago elsewhere on property. This is partially why costumed characters with their faces obscured aren't allowed to speak with guests no matter how much they can mimic the voice.
 
2014-01-20 11:34:06 AM

divx88: I was always in bewilderment how they kept the stench of "backstage" from the park. I mean almost immediately when you leave the park to an employee area you're hit with a strong garbage stench which there's no trace of a couple feet from where you just were.


Positive and negative air pressure, I worked for a company that sold some software to Disney World and got to go behind the scenes for implementation.  I noticed the same thing and that is what the engineer i was with told me.  The tunnels are a low pressure area which keeps the smells in the tunnels.
 
2014-01-20 11:34:14 AM

crab66: Anyone who uses the term "meat space" needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.


Ironically, the term "meat space" makes me think of the opposite happening.

/"Lemme park the beef bus in it's meat space."
 
2014-01-20 11:35:10 AM
I think we're all Bozos on this bus...
 
2014-01-20 11:36:05 AM
Anyone else notice his band ID prefix in the photo started with "1701"?

wow Subby, that was a really subtle headline tie-in.
 
2014-01-20 11:36:10 AM
MrSteve007:I know this is the point where people biatch and moan about paying 20-30% more for food, but at Epcot the 1/3 lb Mac and cheese burger is $10.49 - not $19. Which isn't outrageous.


$8 for a Caesar salad with a grilled chicken breast is entirely reasonable.

This does not align with my desire to be outraged!
 
2014-01-20 11:37:23 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Meh.
A) You don't have to go.
B) If you go, you don't have to get the wrist band if you don't want it.

It sounds like it comes with a lot of advantages for the person at the park and I really don't care if they know what I had for lunch, for crying out loud.


Six more days to Halloween, Halloween, Halloween.
Six more days to Halloween, Silver Shamrock!

www.novemberfire.com
 
2014-01-20 11:37:25 AM

washington-babylon: It's almost like someone wants to track a massive data set for a series of experiments on the behavior of large groups of humans...

/Wraps Aluminum foil tighter around head.


Disney World - a maze for humans built by a rat. Was Skinner ever a Disney employee?  www.disneyworldtickets.com
 
2014-01-20 11:38:48 AM
Those bands don't like, detect motion, do they?  Like a fast jerking motion wouldn't send some kind of signal about anything unusual going on in "it's a small world" ride?  they could only know that you are on that ride and not any activity happening during the ride?
 
2014-01-20 11:41:43 AM
Went to Disney about 4 years ago. It was pretty yawn-worthy. So many people around and such long waits. Even the kids we were with weren't impressed. One even asked if we could go back to the hotel room so she could finish the kids book her mom was helping her read
 
2014-01-20 11:42:27 AM

trappedspirit: Those bands don't like, detect motion, do they?  Like a fast jerking motion wouldn't send some kind of signal about anything unusual going on in "it's a small world" ride?  they could only know that you are on that ride and not any activity happening during the ride?


We have a Code J on Small World, all units close in.
 
2014-01-20 11:42:50 AM
I'm just waiting until the adhocracy redoes the Haunted Mansion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_Kingdom

Download the book. It's free and fun.
 
2014-01-20 11:43:40 AM

Ikahoshi: I use all sorts of little tricks to mess with the various data tracking that exists today.

I keep my phone's wifi off when not in use. I keep it off entirely when I know I won't need it. I have several of the RFID public transit passes that I rotate and use randomly. I have a wallet that's entirely metal to keep my bank and store cards in. I refuse to post accurate information to Google or any online service. I provide my real name and other identifiers where legally required to but wherever it is optional I intentionally fill with false data. Google thinks I am a 24 year old female for example. I upload photos and incorrectly tag myself so they can't even identify me. For example I had my neighbors' dog as my profile picture on Facebook once.

Any corporate agency can try to track me if they wish, but they'll find that I'll end up accidentally fudging the data or accidentally swapping my tracking card or band with a friends', or other amusing tricks that I can come up with.

I'm not paranoid, I am not afraid of anything, I just don't see why I should cooperate with this data collecting. I can have the convenience and yet not reveal anything particularly useful by just slightly modifying my behavior. Plus it's kind of fun- knowingly messing with a corporate dweeb's stats analysis is enjoyable. When they can't quite make sense of the numbers- that's me.


It doesn't make much difference.  Google has decided that I am an overweight female despite having direct log-in information to the contrary.


/At least, it keeps selling me plus sized women's clothing.
//...hmm... haven't put it in a J. Edgar context before...
 
2014-01-20 11:44:06 AM
That was an awfully written article. The author needs to be reminded of the fact that he's NOT HENRY JAMES AND JUST GET TO THE POINT!
 
2014-01-20 11:45:45 AM
I wouldn't go to a Disney park even if they had the cure for Cancer ..
 
2014-01-20 11:45:53 AM

Slypork: washington-babylon: It's almost like someone wants to track a massive data set for a series of experiments on the behavior of large groups of humans...

/Wraps Aluminum foil tighter around head.

Disney World - a maze for humans built by a rat. Was Skinner ever a Disney employee?  [www.disneyworldtickets.com image 650x425]


No, but he would have enjoyed the giant data set. It would be a researcher's dream.
 
2014-01-20 11:52:17 AM

Slypork: washington-babylon: It's almost like someone wants to track a massive data set for a series of experiments on the behavior of large groups of humans...

/Wraps Aluminum foil tighter around head.

Disney World - a maze for humans built by a rat. Was Skinner ever a Disney employee?  [www.disneyworldtickets.com image 650x425]


Skinner?  No.  Maybe Jenner.  He was a rat that Disney ended up not liking.
 
2014-01-20 11:54:23 AM
I have gone to Disneyworld several times and quite frankly I am very impressed with how smoothly they manage to keep lines going.  If you will notice they are constantly moving barriers around or having bands walk by at certain times to try and INSURE the lines are kept moving and/or
the visitor is not bored.   It is a huge undertaking and I think they do a decent job, yes they are an EASY target to criticize but I still enjoy going to Disney.

The best time is at Christmas, you have to be pretty miserable to not crack a smile at some point if you are there at Christmas!
 
2014-01-20 12:00:26 PM

flucto: I'm sure they have at least 666 reasons why this is a great idea.


i43.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-20 12:01:47 PM

lc6529: The best time is at Christmas, you have to be pretty miserable to not crack a smile at some point if you are there at Christmas!


Nope Halloween is the best time, their Halloween party rocks, plus when else can you see 4 grown men dressed as Ghostbusters complete with Proton packs ride the Carousel.
 
2014-01-20 12:07:16 PM

Uzzah: I'm wondering if they let the kids customize the color of their wristbands when they sign up. If they don't, they should. Then change out the trim in your hotel room to match chosen color, push t-shirts of the selected color, etc.

Create the illusion of participation and customization, when you're really just enabling people to do your work for you.


You can pick from several colors, blue, black, gray, orange, pink, red, and green (may be others, but those are the one's I recall seeing), and you get to pick ahead of time.  They also have all sorts of "swag" to add to the bands that you can buy all throughout the park.

I personally liked the bands.  Very convenient, and yes, very convenient to lose track of how much you're spending (which is obviously the idea).

/The one thing I didn't like was having to scan my finger upon entry.  That kinda pissed me off a little.
 
2014-01-20 12:10:10 PM
I still fail to see the issue everyone is having with these armbands. Maybe if you were required to wear them all day, every day, even if you left the park, I'd see an issue, but if you are afraid of them knowing where you are at, Disney;and/Disnetworld was NOT the best choice of vacation destinations in the first place.
 
2014-01-20 12:12:23 PM

Clemkadidlefark: I wouldn't go to a Disney park even if they had the cure for Cancer ..


I bet you would if they did and you had it.
 
2014-01-20 12:13:22 PM
Wrap the band in foil. And use the rest of the roll to make a lovely Mickey Ears hat.
 
2014-01-20 12:13:34 PM
Oh hello repeat. Still totally optional, and even if they weren't you're not forced to go.
 
2014-01-20 12:14:56 PM
The article brings up a valid parallel between the NSA and private enterprises seeking big data...but fails to see the larger point.  There's a huge difference between the NSA and private enterprises using you for big data.

Consent.

For example, if I use Facebook, LinkedIn or google (free services) as part of their TOS I understand they will use the data for marketing purposes in exchange for using their services free of charge.  I understand that the companies need to make money by selling advertising.  Of course, there has to be some trust that private enterprises don't expose that data to a nefarious 3rd party...like hackers or a government.  Additionally, there's pressure on companies NOT to abuse that trust or fear losing customers (look how pissed off people get when fb makes a change to the TOS).

In regards to Disney, the assumption with Disney is that they'll use the data to improve my Disney experience.  If you're a fan of Disney, this seems like a small price to pay (considering going to Disney is already expensive).

Conversely, I do NOT consent to the government searching my data without cause or warrant.  Something about Constitutional protections.  I can consent to a search and if I refuse, the government needs to obtain a probable cause warrant.  Of course the NSA can claim that FISA is the checkpoint for warrants...but they're little more than a rubber stamp.  And since they're secret, there's no way the public can validate those claims.  That is why people are pissed off about the NSA.
 
2014-01-20 12:15:26 PM

flucto: I'm sure they have at least 666 reasons why this is a great idea.


No, there are 999 - but there's room for 1,000!
 
2014-01-20 12:22:08 PM
Wait a second. Just farking wait. You're telling me that Disney's going to give me these armbands we wear while there that make it an absolute snap to get into the parks and our hotel & room. In addition we can use them with a PIN to purchase things we'd like to buy AND we'll be able to track down the kids if needed. And in exchange for this, they're going to track where we go and what we use on their property in a concerted effort to make me and my family as shiat-eatingly happy as they possibly can while we're there so we'll continue to give them our business?

Those monstrous bastards.
 
2014-01-20 12:25:39 PM
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Wait a second. Just farking wait. You're telling me that Disney's going to give me these armbands we wear while there that make it an absolute snap to get into the parks and our hotel & room. In addition we can use them with a PIN to purchase things we'd like to buy AND we'll be able to track down the kids if needed. And in exchange for this, they're going to track where we go and what we use on their property in a concerted effort to make me and my family as shiat-eatingly happy as they possibly can while we're there so we'll continue to give them our business?

Those monstrous bastards.
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Well said, I feel the same way.   Shameful!  :)
 
2014-01-20 12:27:41 PM

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                Meat space

 
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2014-01-20 12:28:16 PM
Sounds similar to what Casinos do with frequent player cards. They track your winning/losing and will send someone over to you with a cheap "comp" knowing it will encourage you to stay at the slots a little longer and lose more money in the long run. Also, like well designed video games that dole out just enough rewards to trigger the pleasure centers in your brain to keep you playing.
 
2014-01-20 12:29:19 PM
I would welcome this if it actually delivered things I want, rather than barrage me with crap I don't want. It would be a welcome relief if marketers could keep commercials for garbage like injury lawyers and political campaigns away from me and only show me things I might actually buy.

Netflix supposedly does this, but it's weak. Just because I watched Iron Man doesn't mean I also want to watch The Magic Schoolbus.
 
2014-01-20 12:30:27 PM

Nabb1: We tested the Magic Bands this fall. They work great. And god forbid if one of the kids gets separated, they can track him or her down immediately.


At the same time, I can see endless possibilities for f*cking with them. Randomly change the arm bands between family members, even during the day. Screw up all that precious data collection. Oh the hilarity. The bigger the group, the bigger the hijinks.

5 year old kid in the bar while the 40 year old guy is riding teacups. Mom is using the 4 year old kid's armband at the spa, while dad has the kids near magic mountain watching a parade or something.

I'm sure there are a couple of hundred funny situations you could create.
 
2014-01-20 12:31:09 PM

MrSteve007: But unlike most people, I'm not afraid of the data they collect.


No, like most people, you're not afraid of the data they collect.
 
2014-01-20 12:31:54 PM

Tom_Slick: lc6529: The best time is at Christmas, you have to be pretty miserable to not crack a smile at some point if you are there at Christmas!

Nope Halloween is the best time, their Halloween party rocks, plus when else can you see 4 grown men dressed as Ghostbusters complete with Proton packs ride the Carousel.


Nothing beats Universal at Halloween. Awesome haunted houses, zombies chasing you around, crazy shiat.
 
2014-01-20 12:36:51 PM
Also, on the tech side, if you're interested. The bands include two different RFID antennas/chips. One for basic RFID for the standard features (door locks, purchases, fast passes), and another battery assisted long-range RFID for proximity tracking and queue and character interactions - which is why the bands have a usable lifetime of about 18-24 months.

While not all the features are in place, they're working to use the long-range ones to influence crowds and/or model crowd flow patterns.

Two real-world examples will soon be:

-People are starting to fill up fantasyland, making long lines. X-number of people with fast-passes and mobile apps on their phones are "given" instant fast-passes to space mountain or splash mountain, which at the time are almost empty. This will reduce everyone's wait in line and will more evenly spread people in the park.

-Crowds are starting for form a block in Adventureland. When the density of guests reach a specific point, an "instant" mini-parade will be triggered to pull guests into Frontierland, spreading the crowd into less dense areas of the parks.

They're also building in little nods to uses in the lines/queues, where a quick mention might be made by a visually projected character (in the Little Mermaid line) to "Bob" from "Chicago" - stuff like that.

Other than the Fantasyland expansion, most updates to the parks have been put on hold to focus on the expense of implementing the Magic Band project. I think they're in 2-3 *billion* dollars about now for the system. Already, with the early stress tests, the amount basic telemetry data is staggering. Terabytes a day range.
 
2014-01-20 12:37:27 PM
 
2014-01-20 12:40:43 PM

Creoena: Went to Disney about 4 years ago. It was pretty yawn-worthy. So many people around and such long waits. Even the kids we were with weren't impressed. One even asked if we could go back to the hotel room so she could finish the kids book her mom was helping her read


Your family sounds ...fun.
 
2014-01-20 12:44:40 PM

lohphat: The problem with Mickey saying your Hhe is that there are several Mickeys out around the park at the same time. Try to explain to your kid why they can't remember the conversation you had two hours ago elsewhere on property.


Why wouldn't the system be such that Mickey #2 is aware of the conversation Mickey #1 had had with the kid?
 
2014-01-20 12:47:24 PM
NASAM:

/The one thing I didn't like was having to scan my finger upon entry.  That kinda pissed me off a little.

Fingerprints seem like they're primarily to ensure you don't give your band away to someone else. I.E. Season ticket holders don't just give it to their brother.

My wife doesn't have very distinct finger prints because of a skin condition, so every time after the first "registration" it wouldn't let her in. An overseer at the gate came over and scanned her band and asked her a what was the last park you went to.  I had gone in already and peaked over his shoulder. On their tablet popped up her name, birth date (had to give it when we checked into the Disney hotel), what hotel we were staying at, what tickets we had bought, and a list of all park entries we had made.

It got real old after the fourth time this happened.

/wouldn't be surprised if these finger prints weren't submitted to the FBI database to screen out certain undesirables that had had to take a seat over there before.
 
2014-01-20 12:47:34 PM

Nabb1: You'll have to have one if you want to use a fast pass. They are switching over to Fast Pass Plus completely and you have to be staying on the property to use it. That doesn't bother us, because we are DVC members, but some people will be pissed


CSB:

I just finished a vacation at Disney World.  We didn't stay on property, since we were doing other things in Orlando.  We definitely felt the "second-class citizenry" tag that Disney applied to us because we weren't a club member, pass holder, or staying on property.

We went in 2008, Fastpass was in place, and we were able to get through so much more of the parks even though we were there during peak season (late June).  This time, with people being able to schedule months in advance for their Fastpass+ times, Fastpass paper tickets were unavailable on most of the bigger rides before noon.  Since we didn't have this scheduling freedom/availability, we just got to sit there in longer lines and not doing as much.

Ironically, we brought my parents in, so that they could enjoy the Disney experience with the grandchildren.  My mom is old enough to require a wheelchair around the park, and has respiratory problems which reduce her overall time that she can be up and around.  With Disney's recent change to GAC, because of abusers, and the Fastpass+ system in place, it really turned our experience into one we won't be repeating any time soon.
 
2014-01-20 12:53:22 PM

GilRuiz1: I would welcome this if it actually delivered things I want, rather than barrage me with crap I don't want. It would be a welcome relief if marketers could keep commercials for garbage like injury lawyers and political campaigns away from me and only show me things I might actually buy.

Netflix supposedly does this, but it's weak. Just because I watched Iron Man doesn't mean I also want to watch The Magic Schoolbus.


Hey, Ms. Frizzle used an arc reactor to power the bus. And I really liked the episode where they turned Arnold into the Hulk and rode through his gamma-ray infused bloodstream to see how he transformed. Who can forget when Ms. Frizzle said, "Take chances, make mistakes, get messy, Arnold smash!"
 
2014-01-20 01:03:39 PM

Slypork: washington-babylon: It's almost like someone wants to track a massive data set for a series of experiments on the behavior of large groups of humans...

/Wraps Aluminum foil tighter around head.

Disney World - a maze for humans built by a rat. Was Skinner ever a Disney employee?
img.fark.net


"TO RIDE ALONE"

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2014-01-20 01:11:42 PM

poot_rootbeer: lohphat: The problem with Mickey saying your Hhe is that there are several Mickeys out around the park at the same time. Try to explain to your kid why they can't remember the conversation you had two hours ago elsewhere on property.

Why wouldn't the system be such that Mickey #2 is aware of the conversation Mickey #1 had had with the kid?


Or the simpler solution; Mickey is autistic... for awareness and such.
 
2014-01-20 01:11:55 PM
Seems hubristic to believe any data on you is worth hiding. You're nobody, I'm nobody. It isn't an invasion of your privacy for them to analyze data you're giving them to make some money.
 
2014-01-20 01:14:08 PM

Tom_Slick: plus when else can you see 4 grown men dressed as Ghostbusters complete with Proton packs ride the Carousel.


Any sci-fi/geekdom convention?
 
2014-01-20 01:19:40 PM

Slypork: Hey, Ms. Frizzle used an arc reactor to power the bus. And I really liked the episode where they turned Arnold into the Hulk and rode through his gamma-ray infused bloodstream to see how he transformed. Who can forget when Ms. Frizzle said, "Take chances, make mistakes, get messy, Arnold smash!"


Man I need to find that episode.   :)

My toddler is mainlining Magic School bus and I'm pretty sure I know the episodes on Netflix by heart now.

Sigh.
 
2014-01-20 01:21:26 PM
I didn't know that Fastpass was being replaced with something that creates second class citizens out of customers paying ~$100 a day each just because they don't stay on resort. My family went last year, but if this is the future I don't think we will ever return.
 
2014-01-20 01:24:42 PM

MrSteve007: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Me? I just could not stand the land of the $19.00 Cheeseburger and plastic phony everywhere. Epcot was nice, once, but that was it. So happy the kids grew up and I don't have to go there anymore.

I know this is the point where people biatch and moan about paying 20-30% more for food, but at Epcot the 1/3 lb Mac and cheese burger is $10.49 - not $19. Which isn't outrageous.

[www.disneyfoodblog.com image 503x625]
/and the $5.99 kids meal isn't crazy either, which includes a side and a kid's drink


You realized you just compared a sit-down, full service restaurant price with a fast food joint price, right?
 
2014-01-20 01:55:14 PM
You know who else liked armbands and total control?
 
2014-01-20 01:55:49 PM

Cybernetic: Overall, it's everything to do with data mining on every level isboth cool and creepy at the same time because of all the cool stuff it lets you do.


FTFY.
 
2014-01-20 02:01:55 PM

Gordon Bennett: You know who else liked armbands and total control?


Girl Scouts?
 
2014-01-20 02:02:26 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-20 02:08:37 PM
Wonder when Disney will see the value in selling their data to Google.
 
2014-01-20 02:16:30 PM
thinksocialmedia.com

                                           "What EVER!  I do what I want!"
 
2014-01-20 02:16:38 PM

SleepingEye: You realized you just compared a sit-down, full service restaurant price with a fast food joint price, right?


Hunh? The original comment said a cheeseburger at EPCOT costs $19. I posted a recent photo of the menu at EPCOT's counter service "Magic Umbrella" joint, which is nearly 1/2 the price.
http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2013/08/26/review-new-macaroni-an d-ch ees e-burger-at-epcots-electric-umbrella/

Although it you want to get into Disney food pricing, I had $90 upcharge for my steak  at Victoria & Alberts, which has a $135 a seat.

/It was worth every penny.
 
2014-01-20 02:27:07 PM

MrSteve007: SleepingEye: You realized you just compared a sit-down, full service restaurant price with a fast food joint price, right?

Hunh? The original comment said a cheeseburger at EPCOT costs $19. I posted a recent photo of the menu at EPCOT's counter service "Magic Umbrella" joint, which is nearly 1/2 the price.
http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2013/08/26/review-new-macaroni-an d-ch ees e-burger-at-epcots-electric-umbrella/

Although it you want to get into Disney food pricing, I had $90 upcharge for my steak  at Victoria & Alberts, which has a $135 a seat.

/It was worth every penny.


Steer clear of the Brown Derby.  The food was terrible.
 
2014-01-20 02:36:09 PM

CleanAndPure: Never seen the attraction of Disneyworld.

Standing around in lines all day surrounded by whining spoiled kids and massive throngs of sweaty people in high humidity.

Sounds more like torture than pleasure to me.

ps3media.ign.com

media.screened.com

Well, there's that, and of course when the Pirates of the Caribean breaks down, they don't eat you.  Which is nice.

/must go faster
 
2014-01-20 02:42:57 PM

divx88: I was always in bewilderment how they kept the stench of "backstage" from the park. I mean almost immediately when you leave the park to an employee area you're hit with a strong garbage stench which there's no trace of a couple feet from where you just were.


They use a variety of methods from planting fragrant plants near the entrances to aerial perfume scattered around the park.
 
2014-01-20 02:54:05 PM
As someone who is taking his family to Disney in 4 days, I'm getting a kick...

My wife is a life-long Disney fan, as in her parents took their family every other year for 20 years. She is also an IT geek and she went nuts for these wrist bands.

I, on the other hand, hate all this tracking stuff and am a big fan of personal privacy. So while she's getting all excited about going to Disney and trying out all this new tech (we haven't told the boys we're going, we're just going to drive to the airport, get on a plane, and let them figure it out), I'm dreading being tracked, cataloged, studied, and data-plotted as I try to enjoy it with my family. I don't much care about Disney, and the last time we went three years ago (my first time ever), I was all, "THIS is what all the fuss is about?!? Meh." I'm still that way, but now that the boys are 5 and 8, maybe they'll have more fun and that's really what it's about.

But for at least one of our days, you can bet I will swap bands with my wife. Let their data tracker try to figure out why a 43-year-old man was spending so much time in the ladies' room. I don't have to like it, but I intend to be the outlier on their data set that gets discarded in analysis. It's really the only thing we can do to maintain a modicum of anonymity beyond not going at all.
 
2014-01-20 03:16:49 PM

JerkStore: But for at least one of our days, you can bet I will swap bands with my wife. Let their data tracker try to figure out why a 43-year-old man was spending so much time in the ladies' room. I don't have to like it, but I intend to be the outlier on their data set that gets discarded in analysis. It's really the only thing we can do to maintain a modicum of anonymity beyond not going at all.


What's cute is that you think you weren't being put into the system before. Unless you booked your previous trip using a fake ID and paid for everything in cash, their systems knew who you were, where you live, your preferred resort, what you ate, your kids ages, and what you purchased (via credit & debit card logs). If you stand out, in one way or another, they'll hand enter data about you during resort check-in too. (Guest is combative. Guest has food allergy. etc)

The Magic Bands change almost none of that. All they add is simple proximity data (the long-range sensors only work to about 15 feet out). They'll know you entered into Fantasyland, but not individual rides (unless you fastpass into the ride). They won't know a single thing about who went to what restroom and where - so unless you plan on separating and visiting different parks than your wife, swapping bands will do almost nothing to the data. A cute idea, and nice if it makes you feel empowered somehow - but it doesn't change the fact it won't really mess with their dataset.
 
2014-01-20 03:20:28 PM

Mugato: Diogenes: Except how to keep the parks fresh and updated.  Universal's much more aggressive in that respect.

Universal is making more Harry Potter shiat but Disney is revamping their Fantasy Land and they're making an Avatar land and turning Tomorrow Land into Star Wars land.

And for a "Chief Data Scientist", this guy's kind of a choad. It's Disney World. Who gives a fark if they track what over priced bullshiat you buy. It's also totally voluntary, you don't have to wear the thing if you don't want to. It's also been around for months, which makes TFA totally lame.


It's fairly important to note that disney tracks your purchases in the park, with or without the bands.  THEY OWN THE farkING CREDIT CARD MACHINES.

People are very dumb.
 
2014-01-20 03:28:14 PM
Same with Angry Birds (tracks location). Same with LinkedIn (can read AND WRITE my phone call data, can read my "calendar events plus confidential information", etc.). Same with the freaking Shazam app that let's me identify that song playing in the mall. Have you heard of Stylitics? You get your wardrobe mirrored back at you in a virtual closet -whatever that is - and Stylitics gets to sell your clothing data to retailers to better understand where else you shop beside their stores.

I'm sure I'm susceptible to being mined, but not in any of the ways this guy mentions.
 
2014-01-20 03:43:21 PM
Former Disney employee here on the slightly more technical side. They were already doing stuff like this they just weren't able to track it so easily. If you've been walking between rides and shows and suddenly there's a big street performance in front of you, it's because they figured out that a large number of people are waddling through this space at the same time (usually after a big show) and timed the show and a bunch of vendors to show up just then.

Now they are trying to do the same thing but without tracking everyone's movements on camera. Given that it's completely optional, it might actually be even less invasive in addition to being more relevant.
 
2014-01-20 03:54:32 PM

JerkStore: As someone who is taking his family to Disney in 4 days, I'm getting a kick...

My wife is a life-long Disney fan, as in her parents took their family every other year for 20 years. She is also an IT geek and she went nuts for these wrist bands.

I, on the other hand, hate all this tracking stuff and am a big fan of personal privacy. So while she's getting all excited about going to Disney and trying out all this new tech (we haven't told the boys we're going, we're just going to drive to the airport, get on a plane, and let them figure it out), I'm dreading being tracked, cataloged, studied, and data-plotted as I try to enjoy it with my family. I don't much care about Disney, and the last time we went three years ago (my first time ever), I was all, "THIS is what all the fuss is about?!? Meh." I'm still that way, but now that the boys are 5 and 8, maybe they'll have more fun and that's really what it's about.

But for at least one of our days, you can bet I will swap bands with my wife. Let their data tracker try to figure out why a 43-year-old man was spending so much time in the ladies' room. I don't have to like it, but I intend to be the outlier on their data set that gets discarded in analysis. It's really the only thing we can do to maintain a modicum of anonymity beyond not going at all.


To what end?  Why does it matter if they have your exact log of activity within their parks when it's collected as one of the millions of other visitor logs?  Furthermore, let us assume the absolute worst can happen here and your entire log is leaked onto the internet with your name attached, would you honestly really care after the initial shock wore off?  Seeing something like:

9:42am - Arrived at Magic Kingdom
10:12am - Purchased a coffee kiosk on Main Street with armband
10:32am - Used restroom near Cinderella's Castle
10:45am - Arrived at Fantasyland
11:10am - Rode Space Mountain
...

What could a log at Disney World possibly say about your moral character that would make you concerned about others reading it?  It's DISNEY WORLD after all...it's not like there are bars* and strip clubs for you to frequent...your log would read almost identically to millions of other visitors...

/*I realize Club 33 has a bar...but we (the collected Farkdom) will never frequent this establishment
 
2014-01-20 03:59:18 PM

FarkGrudge: JerkStore: As someone who is taking his family to Disney in 4 days, I'm getting a kick...

My wife is a life-long Disney fan, as in her parents took their family every other year for 20 years. She is also an IT geek and she went nuts for these wrist bands.

I, on the other hand, hate all this tracking stuff and am a big fan of personal privacy. So while she's getting all excited about going to Disney and trying out all this new tech (we haven't told the boys we're going, we're just going to drive to the airport, get on a plane, and let them figure it out), I'm dreading being tracked, cataloged, studied, and data-plotted as I try to enjoy it with my family. I don't much care about Disney, and the last time we went three years ago (my first time ever), I was all, "THIS is what all the fuss is about?!? Meh." I'm still that way, but now that the boys are 5 and 8, maybe they'll have more fun and that's really what it's about.

But for at least one of our days, you can bet I will swap bands with my wife. Let their data tracker try to figure out why a 43-year-old man was spending so much time in the ladies' room. I don't have to like it, but I intend to be the outlier on their data set that gets discarded in analysis. It's really the only thing we can do to maintain a modicum of anonymity beyond not going at all.

To what end?  Why does it matter if they have your exact log of activity within their parks when it's collected as one of the millions of other visitor logs?  Furthermore, let us assume the absolute worst can happen here and your entire log is leaked onto the internet with your name attached, would you honestly really care after the initial shock wore off?  Seeing something like:

9:42am - Arrived at Magic Kingdom
10:12am - Purchased a coffee kiosk on Main Street with armband
10:32am - Used restroom near Cinderella's Castle
10:45am - Arrived at Fantasyland
11:10am - Rode Space Mountain
...

What could a log at Disney World possibly say about your moral character ...


12:00-5:00 - Remained in the general vicinity of Ariel actor until confronted by security
 
2014-01-20 04:10:03 PM
6:30 - asked Princess Jasmine if she wanted to "rub your lamp"
6:40 - Escorted to park security office
7:30 - signal lost when Orlando Police escorted guest off property
 
2014-01-20 04:25:45 PM
20:22 - Fingerprint information received from Orlando Police station and entered into database of known character abusers.

/Lets be honest, logs use 24 hour notation.
 
2014-01-20 04:33:48 PM

lohphat: The problem with Mickey saying your Hhe is that there are several Mickeys out around the park at the same time. Try to explain to your kid why they can't remember the conversation you had two hours ago elsewhere on property.


Do kids do the Santa thing with Mickey Mouse?  I don't remember ever thinking the people in costumes were ever the actual characters because they weren't cartoons.
 
2014-01-20 04:34:49 PM
Jesus.  Fark can't go even three weeks without a repeat?  Sounds like the author of the TFA reads TIME as well:

http://www.fark.com/comments/8084213/Welcome-to-Disneyland-we-know-e xa ctly-where-you-are-at-all-times-Have-fun
 
2014-01-20 04:50:32 PM

trappedspirit: lohphat: The problem with Mickey saying your Hhe is that there are several Mickeys out around the park at the same time. Try to explain to your kid why they can't remember the conversation you had two hours ago elsewhere on property.

Do kids do the Santa thing with Mickey Mouse?  I don't remember ever thinking the people in costumes were ever the actual characters because they weren't cartoons.


The problem is that kids get autographs and show off things and tell them about it's their birthday etc. The new Mickey head they have is animatronic and talks canned phrases. It's creepy. (Remote operator)

It's easier for the "face characters" e.g. Belle, Snow White, etc since they can talk and interact. But there too it can get wierd as they have Belle at the character breakfast events at the hotel then Belle is played by anger woman inside the park later in the day.

/DL cast member 85-94
 
2014-01-20 04:51:11 PM
*another woman

Damned autocorrect. Shoulda previewed.
 
2014-01-20 04:57:40 PM

soopey: /Lets be honest, logs use 24 hour notation.


Local DST-adjusted time?  Or UTC?
 
2014-01-20 05:00:27 PM
no itchy and scratchy land picture references?

fark i am disappoint.
 
2014-01-20 05:02:23 PM
I'm looking at a WDW vacation in May, and I'm actually kind of looking forward to using these. There's the ease of not having to carry around a wallet and room keycard, and if my companion and I get separated without our phones, we can easily find each other. We just need to be sure to opt out of promo emails and information-sharing with any third parties. As others have said, if the information is collected on property, and is used solely to improve the experience for all concerned, I really don't have a problem with it.

I was actually a bit more leery of the biometrics, but I ran across a passage about that on the Disney site. According to them, your fingerprint image is converted to alphanumerics and immediately deleted. The code itself vanishes after your last day there is done.

Overall, I think the Magic Band would come most in handy when travelling with children. A lot of people have no idea how vast WDW really is; if a kid gets lost, then decides to hop a monorail or ferryboat, they could wind up a few miles away. Having the ability to use the long-range RF readers to pinpoint a kid's location seems like it would make it worth its weight in gold to a family.
 
2014-01-20 05:16:09 PM
buckler: ...if a kid gets lost, then decides to hop a monorail or ferryboat, they could wind up a few miles away. Having the ability to use the long-range RF readers to pinpoint a kid's location seems like it would make it worth its weight in gold to a family.

Assuming you want the kid back.
 
2014-01-20 05:28:58 PM
I managed to dodge the bullet with my kids and the Disney "experience." However, I do remember going there with my wife on a trip to visit my grandfather in Sarasota when we were first married. I find it unnerving to have background music wherever you go--maybe they've dialed it back a little since then--and when we went to visit Epcot Center, which had just barely opened, the Muzak change from "It's a Small World After All" to "2001 a Space Odyssey." What was creepiest of all is that to get to the open-for-business parts of Epcot Center you had to walk across an empty field and the music was still there. A little examination revealed that some of the "stones" and a lot of the "vegetation" were actually camouflaged speakers. I'm sure that with recent advances in technology the plants now uproot themselves and follow you around urging you to spend money.
 
2014-01-20 05:52:56 PM

lohphat: It's easier for the "face characters" e.g. Belle, Snow White, etc since they can talk and interact. But there too it can get wierd as they have Belle at the character breakfast events at the hotel then Belle is played by anger woman inside the park later in the day.


Oooh, I love her and would die for an autograph!
 
2014-01-20 06:00:35 PM

trappedspirit: lohphat: The problem with Mickey saying your Hhe is that there are several Mickeys out around the park at the same time. Try to explain to your kid why they can't remember the conversation you had two hours ago elsewhere on property.

Do kids do the Santa thing with Mickey Mouse?  I don't remember ever thinking the people in costumes were ever the actual characters because they weren't cartoons.


yes.  Mickey, Donald, and Goofy, at least, all play Santa in the parks.
 
2014-01-20 06:10:47 PM

bhcompy: trappedspirit: lohphat: The problem with Mickey saying your Hhe is that there are several Mickeys out around the park at the same time. Try to explain to your kid why they can't remember the conversation you had two hours ago elsewhere on property.

Do kids do the Santa thing with Mickey Mouse?  I don't remember ever thinking the people in costumes were ever the actual characters because they weren't cartoons.

yes.  Mickey, Donald, and Goofy, at least, all play Santa in the parks.


I meant kids doing that Santa thing as in some of them think they are sitting on the real Santa's lap at the dept store.  You would have some difficulty explaining why Santa at Macy's didn't remember them from the meeting at Dillards.   But do kids think that the guy in the Mickey costume is THE Mickey Mouse and the cartoon version is just a drawing or what?
 
2014-01-20 06:52:18 PM
Purchase wrist band for child and ear plugs for adult.
Go through It's a Small world after all sox times.
Seventh ride, drop wrist band in bloody zip lock bag Half way through in water.
Report child missing.
Exit park.
 
2014-01-20 08:29:49 PM

vudukungfu: Purchase wrist band for child and ear plugs for adult.
Go through It's a Small world after all sox times.
Seventh ride, drop wrist band in bloody zip lock bag Half way through in water.
Report child missing.
Exit park.


Who`s blood?

I vote goat blood mixed with cockerel blood.
 
2014-01-20 08:51:58 PM

trappedspirit: bhcompy: trappedspirit: lohphat: The problem with Mickey saying your Hhe is that there are several Mickeys out around the park at the same time. Try to explain to your kid why they can't remember the conversation you had two hours ago elsewhere on property.

Do kids do the Santa thing with Mickey Mouse?  I don't remember ever thinking the people in costumes were ever the actual characters because they weren't cartoons.

yes.  Mickey, Donald, and Goofy, at least, all play Santa in the parks.

I meant kids doing that Santa thing as in some of them think they are sitting on the real Santa's lap at the dept store.  You would have some difficulty explaining why Santa at Macy's didn't remember them from the meeting at Dillards.   But do kids think that the guy in the Mickey costume is THE Mickey Mouse and the cartoon version is just a drawing or what?


People in costumes pretending to be cartoon characters creeped me right the fark out as a little kid. It was blatantly obvious that it was some teenage douche in a suit and it scared me a little that some of the other kids weren't hip to the disguise.

I remember going to a Toys-R-Us once and the entire list of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters was there in costume. I wouldn't go near them while some of the other kids my age (I was maybe 5) were going apeshiat.
 
2014-01-20 09:06:28 PM
Settle down, Beavis. The long-range "track wherever you go" business is opt-in only.
 
2014-01-20 09:17:59 PM
Whatever you say will come true.
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-20 09:21:07 PM
FTA: What menu items served at breakfast at the resort hotel restaurants will result in the longest stay at the park?

I would imagine the breakfast burritos will keep you in the park all afternoon, even if all you see is the inside of the restroom.
 
2014-01-20 09:26:32 PM

Nabb1: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Meh.
A) You don't have to go.
B) If you go, you don't have to get the wrist band if you don't want it.

It sounds like it comes with a lot of advantages for the person at the park and I really don't care if they know what I had for lunch, for crying out loud.

You'll have to have one if you want to use a fast pass. They are switching over to Fast Pass Plus completely and you have to be staying on the property to use it. That doesn't bother us, because we are DVC members, but some people will be pissed.


So you pay for this? The pricing and what you get for said pricing is a bit vague.

http://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/about/cost/
 
2014-01-20 10:01:52 PM

NASAM: The one thing I didn't like was having to scan my finger upon entry.  That kinda pissed me off a little.


That's probably the least invasive info that Disney collects.  They're assigning a bone structure to your pass.  In the past, large groups would enter two or three at a time, one person would leave with multiple passes and bring in more people.  Now if the pass re-enters the gate they know it's the same person.

I always stay with a friend when I visit the Orlando area (1-2 times annually) but because I use my credit card on their property, their system assumes from my out of state address that I must be staying at an off-site hotel.  As a result, I get Disney resort offers on a regular basis.  I have no problem with targeted advertising; I just wished that it worked better.
 
2014-01-20 10:18:49 PM

JerkStore: As someone who is taking his family to Disney in 4 days, I'm getting a kick...

My wife is a life-long Disney fan, as in her parents took their family every other year for 20 years. She is also an IT geek and she went nuts for these wrist bands.

I, on the other hand, hate all this tracking stuff and am a big fan of personal privacy. So while she's getting all excited about going to Disney and trying out all this new tech (we haven't told the boys we're going, we're just going to drive to the airport, get on a plane, and let them figure it out), I'm dreading being tracked, cataloged, studied, and data-plotted as I try to enjoy it with my family. I don't much care about Disney, and the last time we went three years ago (my first time ever), I was all, "THIS is what all the fuss is about?!? Meh." I'm still that way, but now that the boys are 5 and 8, maybe they'll have more fun and that's really what it's about.

But for at least one of our days, you can bet I will swap bands with my wife. Let their data tracker try to figure out why a 43-year-old man was spending so much time in the ladies' room. I don't have to like it, but I intend to be the outlier on their data set that gets discarded in analysis. It's really the only thing we can do to maintain a modicum of anonymity beyond not going at all.


Disney really doesn't care about JerkStore's behavior.  They care about the general behavior of the 10+million unique visitors and how to minimize concerns in an effort to maximize experience to end goal of maximizing profits (a happy guest is a returning guest).  But if you want to think that a single human being has ever even looked at the profile of visitor #2009-4560412, then no one here is going to shatter your allusions ,

FarkGrudge:/*I realize Club 33 has a bar...but we (the collected Farkdom) will never frequent this establishment

It also helps that Club 33 is exclusive to a park 2,500 miles away.
 
2014-01-20 11:12:46 PM
I think we're really creating a false dichotomy between privacy and personalization. It's perfectly possible to have an enormous amount of personalized data tracking going on and still maintain privacy. All you need to do is keep all the data anonymized so all Disney knows is you're Band #382158142.
 
2014-01-21 12:14:40 AM

Prof. Ann Marion: Jesus.  Fark can't go even three weeks without a repeat?  Sounds like the author of the TFA reads TIME as well:

http://www.fark.com/comments/8084213/Welcome-to-Disneyland-we-know-e xa ctly-where-you-are-at-all-times-Have-fun


Fark can't go 30 minutes without a repeat.
 
2014-01-21 08:52:57 AM
why would you want to travel to a place where all they do is rip off tourists?

i mean, greece is full of ruins for a reason.
 
2014-01-21 09:00:23 AM

slayer199: The article brings up a valid parallel between the NSA and private enterprises seeking big data...but fails to see the larger point.  There's a huge difference between the NSA and private enterprises using you for big data.

Consent.

For example, if I use Facebook, LinkedIn or google (free services) as part of their TOS I understand they will use the data for marketing purposes in exchange for using their services free of charge.  I understand that the companies need to make money by selling advertising.  Of course, there has to be some trust that private enterprises don't expose that data to a nefarious 3rd party...like hackers or a government.  Additionally, there's pressure on companies NOT to abuse that trust or fear losing customers (look how pissed off people get when fb makes a change to the TOS).

In regards to Disney, the assumption with Disney is that they'll use the data to improve my Disney experience.  If you're a fan of Disney, this seems like a small price to pay (considering going to Disney is already expensive).

Conversely, I do NOT consent to the government searching my data without cause or warrant.  Something about Constitutional protections.  I can consent to a search and if I refuse, the government needs to obtain a probable cause warrant.  Of course the NSA can claim that FISA is the checkpoint for warrants...but they're little more than a rubber stamp.  And since they're secret, there's no way the public can validate those claims.  That is why people are pissed off about the NSA.


you must have voted palin/old guy.
 
2014-01-21 09:27:11 AM

crab66: Anyone who uses the term "meat space" needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.


Anyone who says those who use the term "meat space" need to be cleansed from the gene pool needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.
 
2014-01-21 09:52:43 AM

legion_of_doo: you must have voted palin/old guy.


Whatever brought you to that conclusion?
 
2014-01-21 10:19:25 AM

nymersic: crab66: Anyone who uses the term "meat space" needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.

Anyone who says those who use the term "meat space" need to be cleansed from the gene pool needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.


Anyone who says those who use the term "meat space" need to be cleansed from the gene pool needs to be cleansed from the gene pool needs to be cleansed from the gene pool.
 
2014-01-21 11:50:20 AM

slayer199: legion_of_doo: you must have voted palin/old guy.

Whatever brought you to that conclusion?


you can put words together, and have some thought about privacy & government, and yet here we are. you seem almost offended by what the annointed one has done.

perhaps you voted third party.

/yes yes, politics tab is that way
 
2014-01-21 11:55:18 AM

legion_of_doo: slayer199: legion_of_doo: you must have voted palin/old guy.

Whatever brought you to that conclusion?

you can put words together, and have some thought about privacy & government, and yet here we are. you seem almost offended by what the annointed one has done.

perhaps you voted third party.

/yes yes, politics tab is that way


I haven't voted for either party in 25 years...so yes, I vote 3rd party
 
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