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(BusinessWeek)   It's not so surprising that trust in government has fallen to record lows, what is surprising is that pollsters can still find anyone who DOES trust the government   (businessweek.com) divider line 86
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2014-01-20 09:27:07 AM  
Nonsense, you can totally trust the government.

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2014-01-20 10:07:38 AM  
Whatev Gov't don curr.
 
2014-01-20 10:08:55 AM  
Um, our country was founded on record lows of not trusting the government, and the constitution was written with lack of trustworthiness in mind.

Is this news?
 
2014-01-20 10:09:28 AM  
Still trust government more than corporations.  Those farkers are going to ruin us.
 
2014-01-20 10:10:16 AM  
Bet I can guess how they vote.
 
2014-01-20 10:14:51 AM  
I don't trust every facet of every part of the govt.

But in general, I do trust it.  I don't think it is efficient, or even common sense at times.  But I am not a big believer in wholesale conspiracies that folks dream up.  Heck, the govt I know is often too inefficient and bungling to pull off a conspiracy if it wanted to.
 
2014-01-20 10:15:45 AM  
Trust is not the problem.
We should trust politicians to be soulless sociopaths and treat them that way from start to finish.
Put the spurs on, draw a hard line, and get on 'em.

Allowing them to treat themselves as royalty is not working out so well.
 
2014-01-20 10:18:25 AM  

abfalter: I don't trust every facet of every part of the govt.

But in general, I do trust it.  I don't think it is efficient, or even common sense at times.  But I am not a big believer in wholesale conspiracies that folks dream up.  Heck, the govt I know is often too inefficient and bungling to pull off a conspiracy if it wanted to.


That's just what They want you to think.
 
2014-01-20 10:18:31 AM  
Derision is at an all time high!! fark America, amiright??

/brought to you by fox news
 
2014-01-20 10:21:02 AM  
What surprises me is that anyone pays any attention to this sort of poll anymore.
We have learned that properly aggregated, polls can do an awesome job of predicting CONCRETE behavior - like how people are going to vote, or how much of what they're going to buy.
But this kind of blue-sky bullshiat? How do I subjectively FEEL about "issue X"?
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2014-01-20 10:21:20 AM  
Obama is not part of the establishment.. he's simply a visitor. It's everyone else in D.C. that is the problem.
 
2014-01-20 10:21:21 AM  
Why should anyone trust this electorate, I think is a better question.
 
2014-01-20 10:21:33 AM  
I haven't trusted them since LBJ killed JFK.
 
2014-01-20 10:22:25 AM  

doctor wu: Why should anyone trust this electorate, I think is a better question.


Why should anybody anything at all, as far as that goes?
 
2014-01-20 10:23:23 AM  

Deep Contact: I haven't trusted them since LBJ killed JFK.


For me, it was when they took out joe McCarthy with a polonium tipped umbrella.
 
2014-01-20 10:23:36 AM  
Terrorism kills people, whereas government spying just strips them of their privacy.  What's important is not how we live, it's that we live.

/ Or, more to the point, if you're a politician, it's easier to explain why you violated the Constitution and privacy rights - even absent another terror attack -- then to explain why you chose not to, should another attack occur.  I'm assuming that's the calculus that the parties are making.
 
2014-01-20 10:24:30 AM  

Deep Contact: I haven't trusted them since LBJ killed JFK.


OMG WTF?

/ BBQ
 
2014-01-20 10:25:11 AM  

diaphoresis: Obama is not part of the establishment.. he's simply a visitor.


Yes, he's just a simple unsophisticated rube from that backwoods outpost known as Chicago.
 
2014-01-20 10:25:59 AM  
I trust the government. I trust it to protect corporate interests (just incorporated my household so I'm protected). I trust it to keep Wall Street profitable at any other cost. I trust it to collect and ignore as much data as possible without possibility of reasonable analysis. I trust it to investigate anyone who dares make waves. I trust it to ensure that the protests of the Civil Rights Movement, AIM, and other effective grass roots movements happen again. I trust that our involiable freedom of assembly will continue to be restricted so that the apathetic majority will never be inconvenienced again.
 
2014-01-20 10:26:55 AM  
I have a healthy skepticism for both government and big-business, but I'm not blind. Republicans have used every opportunity to piss in the well just so they can talk about how bad the water tastes.
 
2014-01-20 10:27:19 AM  

jshine: Terrorism kills people, whereas government spying just strips them of their privacy.  What's important is not how we live, it's that we live.

/ Or, more to the point, if you're a politician, it's easier to explain why you violated the Constitution and privacy rights - even absent another terror attack -- then to explain why you chose not to, should another attack occur.  I'm assuming that's the calculus that the parties are making.


Yeah, that. It's the same mindset that gives us tough on crime: "I'm doing what I have to to keep you and your children safe. If you are opposed to what I'm doing you are clearly opposed to safety and on the side of the criminals and terrorists."
 
2014-01-20 10:27:26 AM  
I trust the government!

Did you hear that IRS/NSA....

Nothing to see here...

Please.

/I am not the citizen you are looking for.
 
2014-01-20 10:27:51 AM  

abfalter: I don't trust every facet of every part of the govt.

But in general, I do trust it.  I don't think it is efficient, or even common sense at times.  But I am not a big believer in wholesale conspiracies that folks dream up.  Heck, the govt I know is often too inefficient and bungling to pull off a conspiracy if it wanted to.


I trust "the government", too. The government most people have contact with, their local city or county government, is focused on following processes and procedures. Individuals may disagree with some of those processes and procedures, but with few exceptions you can trust the public employees to follow them.
 
2014-01-20 10:29:17 AM  

jso2897: doctor wu: Why should anyone trust this electorate, I think is a better question.

Why should anybody anything at all, as far as that goes?


He was right.  Anything the government does if the electorate doesn't like it, the electorate can simply vote for someone else next time around.  If the electorate really doesn't like it, they can in many cases remove that person from office pretty quickly.

As for your ridiculous question, we shouldn't trust the electorate because the electorate has consistently demonstrated it is incapable of making decent decisions.  What side of the political spectrum you are on doesn't matter, as a whole the electorate dislikes the way government is being run yet it also keeps electing the same assholes year after year.  As for anybody trusting anything, the answer is consistency.  If you want to trust X to do Y, then X must have shown the ability to do Y consistently.
 
2014-01-20 10:30:47 AM  
ckevinc
2014-01-20 10:10:16 AM


Bet I can guess how they vote.

Because as long as a Democrat holds the white house, federal agencies groping innocents, stopping random people with no RAS, killing foreign brown people, and unfettered spying is a good thing.
 
2014-01-20 10:33:13 AM  
RobotSpider
2014-01-20 10:26:55 AM
(favorite: Blamed "right wing conspiracy " for Family Research Council shooting after shooter was identified as left wing gay activist)


I have a healthy skepticism for both government and big-business, but I'm not blind. Republicans have used every opportunity to piss in the well just so they can talk about how bad the water tastes.
Yeah, what kind of asshat would do such a thing
 
2014-01-20 10:34:05 AM  

OnlyM3: Because as long as a Democrat holds the white house, federal agencies groping innocents, stopping random people with no RAS, killing foreign brown people, and unfettered spying is a good thing.


No, it's a bad thing, but electing a Republican is hardly the way to fix it -- given that most of that bad-behavior started under a Republican.

/ and it would create a lot more domestic problems as a side-effect
// Obama is the most principled president I've seen in my lifetime, and he's still a bit of a disappointment -- just marginally better than any other potential disappointment
 
2014-01-20 10:35:44 AM  
I trust the government to fail at most of what it attempts. Does that count?
 
2014-01-20 10:35:50 AM  
I hate cliches, but we do get the government we deserve. You get what you put into it. You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you might find, you're able to drown out your misery with Bacardi Gold and pepsi.
 
2014-01-20 10:36:02 AM  

BolloxReader: I trust the government. I trust it to protect corporate interests (just incorporated my household so I'm protected). I trust it to keep Wall Street profitable at any other cost. I trust it to collect and ignore as much data as possible without possibility of reasonable analysis. I trust it to investigate anyone who dares make waves. I trust it to ensure that the protests of the Civil Rights Movement, AIM, and other effective grass roots movements happen again. I trust that our involiable freedom of assembly will continue to be restricted so that the apathetic majority will never be inconvenienced again.


Meh.

/apathetic
 
2014-01-20 10:36:06 AM  

Notabunny: abfalter: I don't trust every facet of every part of the govt.

But in general, I do trust it.  I don't think it is efficient, or even common sense at times.  But I am not a big believer in wholesale conspiracies that folks dream up.  Heck, the govt I know is often too inefficient and bungling to pull off a conspiracy if it wanted to.

I trust "the government", too. The government most people have contact with, their local city or county government, is focused on following processes and procedures. Individuals may disagree with some of those processes and procedures, but with few exceptions you can trust the public employees to follow them.


Most people trust "the government."  People get to sound big and pouty in words when they say to a pollster I don't trust the government but when the shiat hits the fan come action time, they're still going to run straight to the government.

"I don't trust the government" very quickly becomes "Hello 9-1-1, I have an emergency."
 
2014-01-20 10:37:21 AM  
There will always be people who support fascism no matter what
 
2014-01-20 10:38:18 AM  

Notabunny: abfalter: I don't trust every facet of every part of the govt.

But in general, I do trust it.  I don't think it is efficient, or even common sense at times.  But I am not a big believer in wholesale conspiracies that folks dream up.  Heck, the govt I know is often too inefficient and bungling to pull off a conspiracy if it wanted to.

I trust "the government", too. The government most people have contact with, their local city or county government, is focused on following processes and procedures. Individuals may disagree with some of those processes and procedures, but with few exceptions you can trust the public employees to follow them.


That's not the government!

The government means the President. You know, the guy people vote for once every four years.

Lol, who votes for local government? Old people?
 
2014-01-20 10:38:38 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: There will always be people who support fascism no matter what


Fascism gets shiat done.

/ I only wish the trains would run on time...
 
2014-01-20 10:39:42 AM  
They should come to Fark.

Place is rotten with them.
 
2014-01-20 10:43:06 AM  

abfalter: I don't trust every facet of every part of the govt.

But in general, I do trust it.  I don't think it is efficient, or even common sense at times.  But I am not a big believer in wholesale conspiracies that folks dream up.  Heck, the govt I know is often too inefficient and bungling to pull off a conspiracy if it wanted to.


But  COINTELPRO,Operation Mockingbird, Iran/Contra all actually happened... it's not disputed. The government HAS engaged inconspiracy, and it takes a lot for us to learn about it. There's no reason to believe they suddenly stopped just for the hell of it. In 40 years we will be reading about all the crazy shiat they were doing now, and people will be saying "Yeah, but I trust them now, this time they stopped."
 
2014-01-20 10:53:00 AM  
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2014-01-20 10:53:16 AM  
What a load of DNRTFA we have in this thread so far.

It's an international survey, crissakes. Most of the people responding wouldn't know a Democrat from a Republcan unless Chris Christie personally pooped in their bowl of curried khalkalash or whatever the hell they eat in France these days.

I'm kinda surprised that the most trusted governments are in China and the UAE.

It's an interesting survey but they sure did pick a weird mix of countries.
 
2014-01-20 10:59:52 AM  

sendtodave: Notabunny: abfalter: I don't trust every facet of every part of the govt.

But in general, I do trust it.  I don't think it is efficient, or even common sense at times.  But I am not a big believer in wholesale conspiracies that folks dream up.  Heck, the govt I know is often too inefficient and bungling to pull off a conspiracy if it wanted to.

I trust "the government", too. The government most people have contact with, their local city or county government, is focused on following processes and procedures. Individuals may disagree with some of those processes and procedures, but with few exceptions you can trust the public employees to follow them.

That's not the government!

The government means the President. You know, the guy people vote for once every four years.

Lol, who votes for local government? Old people?


I would argue that "the government" is made up of people who provide public services, and whose pay comes from taxes. Cops, teachers, and fire fighters are all government employees. So are the people who trim City trees, fill in the potholes, replace burnt out streetlights, and maintain playground equipment and park drinking fountains. The secretary who processes your water bill, the mechanic who maintains the fire truck, the guy driving the street sweeper, and the guy who clears out plugged storm drains are all public employees, and part of "the government", and I trust that they will do their jobs.
 
2014-01-20 11:01:49 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Still trust government more than corporations. Those farkers are going to ruin us.


Trust the whore more then the pimp?
 
2014-01-20 11:10:12 AM  
The more govt agencies and corporations mix the less I trust them. And it seems the bigger the program the less I trust the govt to be involved. I think most of the people that trust the govt are either involved with it at some level or still young and naive.
 
2014-01-20 11:10:50 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Still trust government more than corporations.  Those farkers are going to ruin us.


I don't even trust reality.
 
2014-01-20 11:15:27 AM  

jshine: OnlyM3: Because as long as a Democrat holds the white house, federal agencies groping innocents, stopping random people with no RAS, killing foreign brown people, and unfettered spying is a good thing.

No, it's a bad thing, but electing a Republican is hardly the way to fix it -- given that most of that bad-behavior started under a Republican.

/ and it would create a lot more domestic problems as a side-effect
// Obama is the most principled president I've seen in my lifetime, and he's still a bit of a disappointment -- just marginally better than any other potential disappointment


Here's a novel idea: how about voting for whoever is the most qualified to get shiat done (and who has a proven background so we can see their track record) instead of voting based on party lines? Who the hell cares what party they belong to? The questions should be: Is this person qualified? Are they a pathological liar? Do they have backgrounds that will lead them to conflict with the interests of the American people (deep corporate roots, financial sector ties, MIC backers, etc)? This voting because of Party or Race (or any other knee-jerk factor) is what got the U.S.A. into the mess we are in now.
 
2014-01-20 11:19:52 AM  
Don't trust the government.  That's good.
Don't trust corporations.  That's good, too, because, check this out, corporations are created (authorized, legitimized, protected, and privileged) by government.

It's okay to distrust both.
 
2014-01-20 11:25:56 AM  

washington-babylon: jshine: OnlyM3: Because as long as a Democrat holds the white house, federal agencies groping innocents, stopping random people with no RAS, killing foreign brown people, and unfettered spying is a good thing.

No, it's a bad thing, but electing a Republican is hardly the way to fix it -- given that most of that bad-behavior started under a Republican.

/ and it would create a lot more domestic problems as a side-effect
// Obama is the most principled president I've seen in my lifetime, and he's still a bit of a disappointment -- just marginally better than any other potential disappointment

Here's a novel idea: how about voting for whoever is the most qualified to get shiat done (and who has a proven background so we can see their track record) instead of voting based on party lines? Who the hell cares what party they belong to? The questions should be: Is this person qualified? Are they a pathological liar? Do they have backgrounds that will lead them to conflict with the interests of the American people (deep corporate roots, financial sector ties, MIC backers, etc)? This voting because of Party or Race (or any other knee-jerk factor) is what got the U.S.A. into the mess we are in now.



In the real world, party affiliation is strongly correlated with the policies that the candidate will tend to pursue, and winning a nomination will require a certain level of "ideological purity" of any candidate.

/ In the primaries, there is more room for nuance, but the choice is pretty stark by the time one reaches the general election.
 
2014-01-20 11:27:37 AM  
Considering the local tea party head has large contracts at multiple military bases, enough to employ over 600 people, looks like someone still trusts the government.
 
2014-01-20 11:33:38 AM  
Mother should I trust the government...
 
2014-01-20 11:40:29 AM  

BitwiseShift: Considering the local tea party head has large contracts at multiple military bases, enough to employ over 600 people, looks like someone still trusts the government.


Yeah, damn those people with their job creation and paying taxes
 
2014-01-20 11:41:59 AM  
Government takes the maximum acceptable amount of your money while providing the minimum acceptable amount of services.
 
2014-01-20 11:43:47 AM  

lennavan: jso2897: doctor wu: Why should anyone trust this electorate, I think is a better question.

Why should anybody anything at all, as far as that goes?

He was right.  Anything the government does if the electorate doesn't like it, the electorate can simply vote for someone else next time around.  If the electorate really doesn't like it, they can in many cases remove that person from office pretty quickly.

As for your ridiculous question, we shouldn't trust the electorate because the electorate has consistently demonstrated it is incapable of making decent decisions.  What side of the political spectrum you are on doesn't matter, as a whole the electorate dislikes the way government is being run yet it also keeps electing the same assholes year after year.  As for anybody trusting anything, the answer is consistency.  If you want to trust X to do Y, then X must have shown the ability to do Y consistently.


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